Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure
It does not switch to hi-res, so it made it a bit easier to read things
as they flash by
that is normally regulated by boot parameter nomodeset in GRUB (
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/kernel_mode_setting)
Could something this old still be usable with updates?
sure. That is the point of rolling-release distros (like NixOS). You can
update from any point in history (aww, there are exceptions ^))
The command to update system is
nix-channel --add http://nixos.org/channels/nixpkgs-unstable
nixos-rebuild switch --upgrade
I don't know whether it will update kernelPackages to new one. If that ata1
is kernel bug, than you have to figure out, which kernel it was introduced.
2014-11-06 17:25 GMT+01:00 J. Brian Kelley j...@teksavvy.com:
And you are correct -
nixos-graphical-0.1pre4006_7435db-bc9efb6-x86_64-linux.iso does boot, but
not without complaint.
It does not switch to hi-res, so it made it a bit easier to read things as
they flash by (scroll lock seems to be ignored if the message line starts
with the character [ ).
The error triplet occurs before the login request and is preceded by:
ata1:hard resetting link
ata1:SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
ata.00: configured for UDMA/133
ata1:EH complete
ata1:limiting SATA link speed to 1.5 Gbps
The error triplet then occurs:
ata1:exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4000 action 0xe frozen
ata1:irq-stat 0x0040, connection status changed
ata1:SError { DevExch }
After that there is one more:
ata1:hard resetting link
Finally, the login request is presented. There is no eternal repetition of
the error triplet as seen in the current live-cd.
Logged in and the desktop came up.
Could something this old still be usable with updates? Will the link speed
remain at Sata 1 levels?
On 2014-11-05 21:42, Daniel Hlynskyi wrote:
Where could I find one of these old versions? Furthest back I saw was
only a year old.
Old releases are at http://nixos.org/releases/nixos/unstable/ - I beleive
0.1pre versions are without systemd
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure
It would also help to have full dmesg log pasted somewhere. Maybe relevant: http://askubuntu.com/a/235432/56603 On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Wout Mertens wout.mert...@gmail.com wrote: Can you try the modprobe configs that was suggested? Opening an issue won't help, we can't reproduce and we're the same guys :-) On Tue, Nov 4, 2014, 20:17 J. Brian Kelley j...@teksavvy.com wrote: As a last attempt, I burned the minimal ISO and tried booting it. Exactly the same result - goes nicely until it shows the login prompt whereupon the error message triplets start (doesn't even newline down from the prompt so the first error message is offset somewhat). Seems a bit strange that they start at the point that a keyboard input is required - could the fact that the keyboard is PS/2 connected be a factor? I'm really grasping at straws - do I submit a bug report that simply says install iso(s) don't work? ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure
If only I knew what I was doing Linux Mint modprobe configs just gets a response that configs does not exist Linux Mint modprobe -c does generate a long list. The first and last entries are: alias symbol:tua9001_attach tua9001 ... ... alias symbol:zl10353_attach zl10353 If this is what is wanted, how do I send it (attachments allowed?) and if not, where should I look (or specific modprobe options and arguments)? It was also suggested that a full dmesg log would help, but that may be difficult as I am booting from the nixos live-cd. Perhaps not impossible if the output could be directed to my flash drive. I think I might be able to make text changes to the .iso (use Peazip to extract the contents and ImgBurn to regenerate the .iso), if some guidance as to what and where. I remain suspicious that this is a device identification problem (like deciding that since the drive is SATA III the controller must be as well (it's actually SATA II). Since I can look into the text portions of the .iso, where should I look? I'd like to see how it compares to the gparted live-cd .iso (it should be far less complex than the Linux Mint and certainly can run my drive). On 2014-11-04 14:25, Wout Mertens wrote: Can you try the modprobe configs that was suggested? ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure
Thanks. (I had ass-u-me-d that unstable meant bleeding-edge only.) I use UNetBootin with LinuxLive USB Creator as an alternative when I want to force a FAT32 reformat. Either way I seem to have problems with NixOS live-cd (perhaps in the realm of hybrid cds, but I am in way over my head ... ). On 2014-11-05 21:42, Daniel Hlynskyi wrote: I've installed NixOS from flash drive recent days, burned with UNetBootin. So it is definitely possible. The other possibility is if you have GRUB already installed, you can launch GRUB console and run commands like this root=(hd1,1) chainloader +1 boot (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB) Make sure you flash drive is properly formatted (try FAT32 instead of NTFS). Where could I find one of these old versions? Furthest back I saw was only a year old. Old releases are at http://nixos.org/releases/nixos/unstable/ - I beleive 0.1pre versions are without systemd ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure
As a last attempt, I burned the minimal ISO and tried booting it. Exactly the same result - goes nicely until it shows the login prompt whereupon the error message triplets start (doesn't even newline down from the prompt so the first error message is offset somewhat). Seems a bit strange that they start at the point that a keyboard input is required - could the fact that the keyboard is PS/2 connected be a factor? I'm really grasping at straws - do I submit a bug report that simply says install iso(s) don't work? ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure
Can you try the modprobe configs that was suggested? Opening an issue won't help, we can't reproduce and we're the same guys :-) On Tue, Nov 4, 2014, 20:17 J. Brian Kelley j...@teksavvy.com wrote: As a last attempt, I burned the minimal ISO and tried booting it. Exactly the same result - goes nicely until it shows the login prompt whereupon the error message triplets start (doesn't even newline down from the prompt so the first error message is offset somewhat). Seems a bit strange that they start at the point that a keyboard input is required - could the fact that the keyboard is PS/2 connected be a factor? I'm really grasping at straws - do I submit a bug report that simply says install iso(s) don't work? ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure
Well, I used Windows to check the S.M.A.R.T. and all is good. Besides if there were a connection problem, Windows 7 would be at best capriciously unstable and other distros / live-cds would have disk access problems. The unstable Nov 1 NixOS has the exact same problem and I even repeated this with the i686 version although I believe my Core 2 Duo 7200 belongs to the x86-64 class (if only barely). One of my problems is not knowing how to stop things scrolling off the screen. (It should be noted that I had the sequence of the eternally repeated error message triplet wrong - the exception is first, then the irq-stat and last the SError.) The errors present immediately after the nixos login prompt is displayed. Best to have full disclosure on the drive. It is a Seagate ST2000DX001-1CM164 with 2 TB (really 1.8) capacity and 64 MB cache, but it is also a hybrid with an 8 GB nand flash front end. Rearranging the deck chairs (partitions) with the gparted live-cd so that the extended partition reaches the end of the drive made no difference (although the Windows system 'feels' faster, which may simply be a placebo effect). What more can I do? It seems pointless to attempt a NixOS install using the Linux Mint live-cd as sooner or later, the NixOS build will have to be booted and most likely will contain the same problem. Thanks for your interest. On 2014-11-02 23:37, Raahul Kumar wrote: Use smartctl, and check that the hard drive cable is properly seated. That seems to have fixed the same issue for previous people who had this problem https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=129401 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=135306 If the hard drive is fine, the download the newest Nixos from here https://nixos.org/releases/nixos/unstable/nixos-14.11pre51857.788a77d/ Burn it to a dvd or usb stick and retry. Are you in business now Aloha, RK. ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure
So did you try switching/reseating the cable? Perhaps put the drive on a different port? It does seem to be hardware from search results. It could be that Linux exercises the disk differently from Windows... Of course it is odd that the Linux mint one works. It would be interesting to see which kernel options are enabled vs on nixos... On Mon, Nov 3, 2014, 14:21 J. Brian Kelley j...@teksavvy.com wrote: Well, I used Windows to check the S.M.A.R.T. and all is good. Besides if there were a connection problem, Windows 7 would be at best capriciously unstable and other distros / live-cds would have disk access problems. The unstable Nov 1 NixOS has the exact same problem and I even repeated this with the i686 version although I believe my Core 2 Duo 7200 belongs to the x86-64 class (if only barely). One of my problems is not knowing how to stop things scrolling off the screen. (It should be noted that I had the sequence of the eternally repeated error message triplet wrong - the exception is first, then the irq-stat and last the SError.) The errors present immediately after the nixos login prompt is displayed. Best to have full disclosure on the drive. It is a Seagate ST2000DX001-1CM164 with 2 TB (really 1.8) capacity and 64 MB cache, but it is also a hybrid with an 8 GB nand flash front end. Rearranging the deck chairs (partitions) with the gparted live-cd so that the extended partition reaches the end of the drive made no difference (although the Windows system 'feels' faster, which may simply be a placebo effect). What more can I do? It seems pointless to attempt a NixOS install using the Linux Mint live-cd as sooner or later, the NixOS build will have to be booted and most likely will contain the same problem. Thanks for your interest. On 2014-11-02 23:37, Raahul Kumar wrote: Use smartctl, and check that the hard drive cable is properly seated. That seems to have fixed the same issue for previous people who had this problem https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=129401 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=135306 If the hard drive is fine, the download the newest Nixos from here https://nixos.org/releases/nixos/unstable/nixos-14.11pre51857.788a77d/ Burn it to a dvd or usb stick and retry. Are you in business now Aloha, RK. ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure
Following up, I came across this: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/4748 Could this be related to my problem? Forwarded Message Subject:Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 11:26:33 -0500 From: J. Brian Kelley j...@teksavvy.com To: Wout Mertens wout.mert...@gmail.com, Raahul Kumar raahul.ku...@gmail.com CC: nix-dev nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl I agree that the problem is hardware related, but I cannot see any indication that the drive / controller is malfunctioning. Remember that I have just run the gparted live-cd (Debian) against the drive for hours rearranging the deck chairs. NixOS is the only distro I have tried that is malfunctioning in this area. I suspect that this is an enumeration (is that a general or Windows-specific term?) problem which is unique to whatever approach the NixOS packagers have selected to use. If so, the question is how to identify it. ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure
How does SSH influence your system not booting? I'm not sure I understand... From what I can tell the error happens in the kernel which points to the kernel configuration as a possible source of problems... Can you figure out what the kernel configuration of the linux mint livecd is? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14958192/getting-config-from-linux-kernel-image On Mon Nov 03 2014 at 9:42:33 PM J. Brian Kelley j...@teksavvy.com wrote: Following up, I came across this: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/4748 Could this be related to my problem? Forwarded Message Subject: Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 11:26:33 -0500 From: J. Brian Kelley j...@teksavvy.com j...@teksavvy.com To: Wout Mertens wout.mert...@gmail.com wout.mert...@gmail.com, Raahul Kumar raahul.ku...@gmail.com raahul.ku...@gmail.com CC: nix-dev nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl I agree that the problem is hardware related, but I cannot see any indication that the drive / controller is malfunctioning. Remember that I have just run the gparted live-cd (Debian) against the drive for hours rearranging the deck chairs. NixOS is the only distro I have tried that is malfunctioning in this area. I suspect that this is an enumeration (is that a general or Windows-specific term?) problem which is unique to whatever approach the NixOS packagers have selected to use. If so, the question is how to identify it. ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure
On 3 November 2014 21:49, Wout Mertens wout.mert...@gmail.com wrote: How does SSH influence your system not booting? I'm not sure I understand... Heh. I think I can answer that. If OP's hybrid solid-state drive is like mine, it calls itself a SSHD. A needlessly confusing red herring that is entirely unrelated to sshd, the remote shell service. Regards, T G-R ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure
There's no web interface for nixos installations, if that's what you asked
for.
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 5:46 PM, J. Brian Kelley j...@teksavvy.com wrote:
To start, my hardware is:
Mainboard - Asrock 4Core1600Twins-P35
CPU - Intel Core2 Duo E7200
No IDE disks ( and IDE controller is disabled in Bios)
1 Sata Drive (MBR formatted)
1 Sata Burner
1 Floppy
1 Pci-e display adapter AMD HD6850
This ancient relic does seem to give many live-cd distros the
heebie-jeebies. So far, the only one that has not required some
intervention is Linux Mint.
NixOS is my latest foray.
First, putting the live-cd on a usb stick seems to create problems
(whether I use UNetBootin or LiLi V2.8.30), so I burned a DVD.
Booting from the DVD starts out well, gets by the Grub loader and
reaches the point where the screen resolution is switched. A bit past
that I get the following three messages:
ata1: irq-stat 0x0040, connection status changed
ata1: SError { DevExch }
ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4000 action 0xe frozen
These then repeat - FOREVER.
Obviously, I am a total NOOB and a Windows 7 user. As such, it is
paramount that my Windows system remains (almost) untouched, with the
only change being an addition to the Windows 7 bootloader selection,
pointing to the Grub2 bootloader on my /boot partition. (Thanks to
EasyBCD.)
So, if there is not an obvious fix for the error loop, could someone
point me to instructions as how to use the Linux Mint live-cd (in all
its KDE glory) to create a bootable NixOS Graphic system with Web access?
The CPU precludes a 64-bit virtualization approach and I cannot envision
trying a terminal-only install without Web access to lead me step by
step through the process.
Any input greatly appreciated.
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure
On 11/02/2014 05:10 PM, Luca Bruno wrote:
There's no web interface for nixos installations, if that's what you asked
for.
Pretty sure he just means that he won't be able to make the install
without referring to the web for help.
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 5:46 PM, J. Brian Kelley j...@teksavvy.com wrote:
To start, my hardware is:
Mainboard - Asrock 4Core1600Twins-P35
CPU - Intel Core2 Duo E7200
No IDE disks ( and IDE controller is disabled in Bios)
1 Sata Drive (MBR formatted)
1 Sata Burner
1 Floppy
1 Pci-e display adapter AMD HD6850
This ancient relic does seem to give many live-cd distros the
heebie-jeebies. So far, the only one that has not required some
intervention is Linux Mint.
NixOS is my latest foray.
First, putting the live-cd on a usb stick seems to create problems
(whether I use UNetBootin or LiLi V2.8.30), so I burned a DVD.
Booting from the DVD starts out well, gets by the Grub loader and
reaches the point where the screen resolution is switched. A bit past
that I get the following three messages:
ata1: irq-stat 0x0040, connection status changed
ata1: SError { DevExch }
ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4000 action 0xe frozen
These then repeat - FOREVER.
Obviously, I am a total NOOB and a Windows 7 user. As such, it is
paramount that my Windows system remains (almost) untouched, with the
only change being an addition to the Windows 7 bootloader selection,
pointing to the Grub2 bootloader on my /boot partition. (Thanks to
EasyBCD.)
So, if there is not an obvious fix for the error loop, could someone
point me to instructions as how to use the Linux Mint live-cd (in all
its KDE glory) to create a bootable NixOS Graphic system with Web access?
The CPU precludes a 64-bit virtualization approach and I cannot envision
trying a terminal-only install without Web access to lead me step by
step through the process.
Any input greatly appreciated.
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure
This error message you're getting
ata1: irq-stat 0x0040, connection status changed
ata1: SError { DevExch }
ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4000 action 0xe frozen
Means your SATA hard drive is not being recognized. Use gparted to partiion
your
hard drive with a filesystem and install Nixos on that.
http://gparted.org/
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:46 AM, J. Brian Kelley j...@teksavvy.com wrote:
To start, my hardware is:
Mainboard - Asrock 4Core1600Twins-P35
CPU - Intel Core2 Duo E7200
No IDE disks ( and IDE controller is disabled in Bios)
1 Sata Drive (MBR formatted)
1 Sata Burner
1 Floppy
1 Pci-e display adapter AMD HD6850
This ancient relic does seem to give many live-cd distros the
heebie-jeebies. So far, the only one that has not required some
intervention is Linux Mint.
NixOS is my latest foray.
First, putting the live-cd on a usb stick seems to create problems
(whether I use UNetBootin or LiLi V2.8.30), so I burned a DVD.
Booting from the DVD starts out well, gets by the Grub loader and
reaches the point where the screen resolution is switched. A bit past
that I get the following three messages:
ata1: irq-stat 0x0040, connection status changed
ata1: SError { DevExch }
ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4000 action 0xe frozen
These then repeat - FOREVER.
Obviously, I am a total NOOB and a Windows 7 user. As such, it is
paramount that my Windows system remains (almost) untouched, with the
only change being an addition to the Windows 7 bootloader selection,
pointing to the Grub2 bootloader on my /boot partition. (Thanks to
EasyBCD.)
So, if there is not an obvious fix for the error loop, could someone
point me to instructions as how to use the Linux Mint live-cd (in all
its KDE glory) to create a bootable NixOS Graphic system with Web access?
The CPU precludes a 64-bit virtualization approach and I cannot envision
trying a terminal-only install without Web access to lead me step by
step through the process.
Any input greatly appreciated.
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure
Could you expand on that? A live-cd should not expect there to be a
prepared storage unit (preparing it would be a possible requirement of
the live-cd itself).
Further, as mentioned, the Linux Mint live-cd has no problem with the
SATA unit (and the problems with other live-cds have all related with
the AMD HD6850 and the distros' penchants for using flgrx rather than
the linux native driver).
The SATA drive was already formatted (MBR, 1 Primary NTFS, 1 Extended
with 4 NTFS and 3 ext4, with the remainder unallocated).
Are you saying that the NixOS live-cd requires a preformatted primary
partition? Although a complete NOOB, I believe that may be a requirement
for the /boot if LVM is invoked.
Still I do recall from the dim distant past, that partitions are a
snake's nest of assumptions and presumptions (I have two Windows
partition managers disagreeing as to whether the unallocated space at
the end of the drive is part of the extended partition or external to it
... ).
To that end, I am in the process of restructuring the drive with the
gparted live-cd (which also had no problem booting) and ensuring that
there is nothing following the extended partition. This will take some time.
On 2014-11-02 21:00, Raahul Kumar wrote:
This error message you're getting
ata1: irq-stat 0x0040, connection status changed
ata1: SError { DevExch }
ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4000 action 0xe frozen
Means your SATA hard drive is not being recognized. Use gparted to
partiion your
hard drive with a filesystem and install Nixos on that.
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Live CD (Graphic) Boot Failure
Use smartctl, and check that the hard drive cable is properly seated. That
seems to have fixed the same issue for previous people who had this problem
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=129401
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=135306
If the hard drive is fine, the download the newest Nixos from here
https://nixos.org/releases/nixos/unstable/nixos-14.11pre51857.788a77d/
Burn it to a dvd or usb stick and retry. Are you in business now
Aloha,
RK.
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:01 PM, J. Brian Kelley j...@teksavvy.com wrote:
Could you expand on that? A live-cd should not expect there to be a
prepared storage unit (preparing it would be a possible requirement of the
live-cd itself).
Further, as mentioned, the Linux Mint live-cd has no problem with the SATA
unit (and the problems with other live-cds have all related with the AMD
HD6850 and the distros' penchants for using flgrx rather than the linux
native driver).
The SATA drive was already formatted (MBR, 1 Primary NTFS, 1 Extended with
4 NTFS and 3 ext4, with the remainder unallocated).
Are you saying that the NixOS live-cd requires a preformatted primary
partition? Although a complete NOOB, I believe that may be a requirement
for the /boot if LVM is invoked.
Still I do recall from the dim distant past, that partitions are a snake's
nest of assumptions and presumptions (I have two Windows partition managers
disagreeing as to whether the unallocated space at the end of the drive is
part of the extended partition or external to it ... ).
To that end, I am in the process of restructuring the drive with the
gparted live-cd (which also had no problem booting) and ensuring that there
is nothing following the extended partition. This will take some time.
On 2014-11-02 21:00, Raahul Kumar wrote:
This error message you're getting
ata1: irq-stat 0x0040, connection status changed
ata1: SError { DevExch }
ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x4000 action 0xe frozen
Means your SATA hard drive is not being recognized. Use gparted to
partiion your
hard drive with a filesystem and install Nixos on that.
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