Re: [nlug] Curious

2011-02-08 Thread Steven S. Critchfield
- Original Message - On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:49 PM, David R. Wilson da...@wwns.com wrote: I am curious if anyone knows of any legitimate claim DHS has to being able to take down web sites by DNS modification? I don't know about you guys, but this is getting a bit old to me:

[nlug] Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread Russ Crawford
Any opinions on an Internet kill switch? http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/what-the-experts-think-about-the-viability-of-an-internet-kill-switch/5034?tag=nl.e036 text of Section 1016 of H.R.3162 (USA Patriot Act) http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c107:1:./temp/~c107jJ2pkO:e415432:

Re: [nlug] Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread Chris Faulkner
definitely.. Which brings the earlier discussion of we need to have a backbone infrastructure telecommunications the government can't regulate On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Russ Crawford russ.m.crawf...@gmail.com wrote: Any opinions on an Internet kill switch?

Re: [nlug] Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread Chris McQuistion
I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I don't want our government to be able to pull this business that Egypt pulled to quell rebellion by shutting off the Internet in the entire country (which is stupid and didn't work, anyway.) On the other hand, what if we had some kind of

Re: [nlug] Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread Steven S. Critchfield
- Original Message - I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I don't want our government to be able to pull this business that Egypt pulled to quell rebellion by shutting off the Internet in the entire country (which is stupid and didn't work, anyway.) On the other hand,

Re: [nlug] Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread Evan Brown
On Feb 8, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Steven S. Critchfield cri...@basesys.com wrote: - Original Message - Then again, how about we make sure we don't become the nanny state and eliminate personal responsibility for ones actions or inactions. -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com Well

Re: [nlug] Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread Chris McQuistion
This is the Internet we're talking about, not smart people ;) There are a lot of systems connected to the Internet (like power grid systems and nuclear power plants) that certainly SHOULDN'T be connected to the Internet but they are... Chris On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Steven S.

Re: [nlug] Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread Steven S. Critchfield
- Original Message - This is the Internet we're talking about, not smart people ;) There are a lot of systems connected to the Internet (like power grid systems and nuclear power plants) that certainly SHOULDN'T be connected to the Internet but they are... So, if they are connected

Re: [nlug] Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread Andrew Farnsworth
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.eduwrote: This is the Internet we're talking about, not smart people ;) Sadly, this is true, and what is scary is the following... Consider everyone you know well and interact with on a daily basis. Now consider that these

Re: [nlug] Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread David R. Wilson
I thought it was amusing yesterday when I tried to send one of my Congressmen a note about this legislation and how wrong it really is. The web site said my email address was invalid. I guess I am not surprised. Dave On Tue, 2011-02-08 at 11:51 -0600, Russ Crawford wrote: Any opinions on an

Re: [nlug] Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread Chris McQuistion
While I agree with your assessment, you have to consider that a serious cyber attack could (and probably would) include multiple vectors and have multiple delivery mechanisms. We can't just blame the guy with a 10 year old Windows XP machine with no firewall. One thing Stuxnet taught us is that

Re: [nlug] Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread Chris McQuistion
Your opinion is contrary. Your argument is invalid. Chris :) On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:46 PM, David R. Wilson da...@wwns.com wrote: I thought it was amusing yesterday when I tried to send one of my Congressmen a note about this legislation and how wrong it really is. The web site said my

Re: [nlug] Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread Andrew Farnsworth
Sounds like a good reason to switch support to another politician. Andy On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:46 PM, David R. Wilson da...@wwns.com wrote: I thought it was amusing yesterday when I tried to send one of my Congressmen a note about this legislation and how wrong it really is. The web site

Re: [nlug] Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Tuesday 08 February 2011 13:18:41 Steven S. Critchfield wrote: - Original Message - This is the Internet we're talking about, not smart people ;) There are a lot of systems connected to the Internet (like power grid systems and nuclear power plants) that certainly SHOULDN'T

Re: [nlug] Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread David R. Wilson
Yes, True, but unfortunately that was one of the friendlies. I suspect someone in IT (running one of those closed OSs) had something to do with that. Dave On Tue, 2011-02-08 at 14:57 -0500, Andrew Farnsworth wrote: Sounds like a good reason to switch support to another politician. Andy

Re: [nlug] Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread Chris McQuistion
Very good points Tilghman. If there is one thing we can (probably) all agree on, it is that making more laws doesn't necessarily make things better! Chris On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Tilghman Lesher tilgh...@meg.abyt.eswrote: On Tuesday 08 February 2011 13:18:41 Steven S. Critchfield

Re: [nlug] Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread Paul Boniol
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Will Drewry w...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: While I agree with your assessment, you have to consider that a serious cyber attack could (and probably would) include multiple vectors and have

[nlug] Re: Internet kill switch

2011-02-08 Thread Athetius
On Feb 8, 4:40 pm, Paul Boniol paul.bon...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Will Drewry w...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: While I agree with your assessment, you have to consider that a serious cyber

[nlug] Room Scheduling

2011-02-08 Thread Paul Boniol
I checked my e-mail and printouts. I requested MRB-III 1220 from 18:00 to 19:55, through the online form (January 2011 through July 2011). The confirmation came back that we had the room from 18:00 to 20:55 on our meeting days. I did not find any other e-mail concerning our room reservation,

Re: [nlug] Room Scheduling

2011-02-08 Thread Chris McQuistion
Thanks for checking on this, Paul. Chris On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Paul Boniol paul.bon...@gmail.com wrote: I checked my e-mail and printouts. I requested MRB-III 1220 from 18:00 to 19:55, through the online form (January 2011 through July 2011). The confirmation came back that we