Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-10-24 Thread David Levine
Norm wrote: I give up. I will never become facile enough with MIME concepts to meaningfully participate in discussions of nmh that heavily involve Mime, that is to say, these days, with most discussions about nmh. I don't agree, FWIW. Questions help the discussions, I think. And the

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-10-23 Thread norm
Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com writes: (two months ago) In order to participate more meaningfully in these discussions I need to learn more about MIME. I give up. I will never become facile enough with MIME concepts to meaningfully participate in discussions of nmh that heavily involve Mime, that

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-09-14 Thread norm
Ralph Corderoy ra...@inputplus.co.uk writes: Hi Norm, The problem was that, for reasons I do not remember, Chart.pj had Microsoft line endings and your blanks, above includes '\r', and probably other white space. Confession: It took me an hour to figure that out. Useful ways to look for odd

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-09-14 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Norm, tr -d '\012 -~' foo | od -c I have a request (a request, not a demand!). When a command has both a '-' option and a '--' option for the same feature, use the '--' version in examples. I take your point, but the problem is... I don't know the long versions and my fingers certainly

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-09-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Sep 14, 2014, at 8:18 AM, n...@dad.org wrote: I have a request (a request, not a demand!). When a command has both a '-' option and a '--' option for the same feature, use the '--' version in examples. Long options names are gnu extensions, and not present in non-gnu versions of the

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-09-13 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi David, I suspect you're running afowl of the 'linespace' test. Yeah, I do that a lot because body:component= turns a blank line in replied text into one with a trailing space. Yes, that's really icky. Would be nice if mhl supported some kind of `strip' to prune those off afterwards.

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-09-13 Thread norm
Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com writes: The above referenced file, Chart.pj, contains only ASCII characters, and has no line longer than 63 characters. Why did nmh use a Content-Transfer-Encoding of quoted-printable instead of text/plain? That decision is made in scan_content() in uip/mhbuildsbr.c.

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-09-13 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Norm, The problem was that, for reasons I do not remember, Chart.pj had Microsoft line endings and your blanks, above includes '\r', and probably other white space. Confession: It took me an hour to figure that out. Useful ways to look for odd bytes in a file ./foo. One approach is to

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-09-13 Thread Ken Hornstein
The problem was that, for reasons I do not remember, Chart.pj had Microsoft line endings and your blanks, above includes '\r', and probably other white space. Confession: It took me an hour to figure that out. As an aside ... I'm not quite sure what happens if we have a file with CR LF line

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-09-12 Thread norm
Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com writes: And of course feel free to ask questions if you're confused! I have scanned all of and have read and understood much of RFC 2045 and RFC 2046; though how much I will retain is problematic. The going was slow because of a character flaw that limits the amount

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-09-12 Thread Jon Steinhart
n...@dad.org writes: Is it true that, that possibly apart from mhbuild, the nmh user does not have explicit control of the content type of a message? Based on my experimentation, nmh must have a fairly complex heuristic for determining content type. For example, I attached a file named

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-09-12 Thread norm
Jon Steinhart j...@fourwinds.com writes: n...@dad.org writes: Is it true that, that possibly apart from mhbuild, the nmh user does not have explicit control of the content type of a message? Based on my experimentation, nmh must have a fairly complex heuristic for determining content type. For

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-09-12 Thread Ken Hornstein
I have scanned all of and have read and understood much of RFC 2045 and RFC 2046; though how much I will retain is problematic. The going was slow because of a character flaw that limits the amount of pain I can endure each day. Also, I took two days off to write a program to decode

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-09-12 Thread David Levine
Ken wrote: [Norm:] Is it true that, that possibly apart from mhbuild, the nmh user does not have explicit control of the content type of a message? Well, that's a pretty big exception; with mhbuild you can literally create any MIME message you can imagine. attach users can change the

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-08-26 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Ken, http://www.nongnu.org/nmh/rfc.html I don't know who started that list, but I've been adding stuff to that based on what I use during nmh development. I hadn't needed to use RFC 2049, so that's why I didn't add it. But it probably makes sense to add it at some point. I find the

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-08-26 Thread Ken Hornstein
I don't know who started that list, but I've been adding stuff to that based on what I use during nmh development. I hadn't needed to use RFC 2049, so that's why I didn't add it. But it probably makes sense to add it at some point. I find the list useful; I don't need them often enough to

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-08-25 Thread norm
Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com writes: We have a set of links here: = http://www.nongnu.org/nmh/rfc.html - There is a pretty good example of a more complicated message in RFC 2049, Appendix A. Shouln't http://www.nongnu.org/nmh/rfc.html include RFC 2049, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2049 ?

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-08-25 Thread Ken Hornstein
http://www.nongnu.org/nmh/rfc.html - There is a pretty good example of a more complicated message in RFC 2049, Appendix A. Shouln't http://www.nongnu.org/nmh/rfc.html include RFC 2049, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2049 ? I don't know who started that list, but I've been adding stuff to that

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-08-21 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Norm, Can anybody suggest a course of study so that I can learn enough about MIME to able to participate, meaningfully, in most of these discussions? The link to Jerry's book given earlier is good. There's also http://www.hunnysoft.com/mime/mime-guide.html as a high-level overview.

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-08-20 Thread Ken Hornstein
In order to participate more meaningfully in these discussions I need to learn more about MIME. Studying and becoming familiar with the relevant RFCs is much more than I want to or am able to do. I tried starting with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME, but the tree of links overwhelmed me. Can

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-08-20 Thread Peter Davis
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 09:40:44AM -0700, n...@dad.org wrote: In order to participate more meaningfully in these discussions I need to learn more about MIME. Studying and becoming familiar with the relevant RFCs is much more than I want to or am able to do. I tried starting with

Re: [Nmh-workers] I need to learn more about MIME

2014-08-20 Thread David Levine
Norm wrote: In order to participate more meaningfully in these discussions I need to learn more about MIME. Jerry's book has a no-nonsense intro to MIME: http://oreilly.com/openbook/mh/tocs/intmime.htm David ___ Nmh-workers mailing list