[NSP] Re: More code?
So neither content-free nor context-free Now we see through a glass, (of Guinness) darkly... John -Original Message- From: Matt Seattle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 October 2008 10:02 To: Robert Greef Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: More code? I'll spell it out A pint of Guinness (or similar stout) is the image, symbolising or alluding to . Ireland, and by extension, in the context, Irish music. Chris's post was an amusing (to me and presumably others) comment on the perceived dilution of the Northumbrian piping tradition. It contained references which would be picked up by many on this list, whether or not they agreed with the underlying opinions, but you can't please, or amuse, everybody. Cheers Matt On 10/7/08, Robert Greef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This posting makes my point more emphatically, because even with this extra commentary the passage is still meaningless dribble. Say what you mean! Or is this whole farrago totally content -free? Cheers, Robert - Original Message - From: Matt Seattle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Threat replies are in I suspect there has been some misunderstanding of Chris Ormston's post - The new threat is from another species imported from Ireland and Scotland. This beast has a stout black body with a creamy white head, and has taken root in newcastlegateshead. A pint of Guinness (or similar stout) is the image, symbolising or alluding to . To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: More code?
In order to avoid in-crowd allusions, and in order to make everything clearly explained, I think that John should have explained that his reference here was to the Bible (the sacred book of the Christian religion - which believes that . Oh I guess you can find that elsewhere on the net) The context is Saint Paul, First Letter to the Corinthians Now we see as through a glass, darkly, then we shall see face to face, meaning(look it up somewhere) (incidentally, I am in tongue-in-cheek mode again here - apologies. No offence meant!) Philip Original Message - From: Gibbons, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:13 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: More code? So neither content-free nor context-free Now we see through a glass, (of Guinness) darkly... John To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: More code?
I'll spell it out A pint of Guinness (or similar stout) is the image, symbolising or alluding to . Ireland, and by extension, in the context, Irish music. Chris's post was an amusing (to me and presumably others) comment on the perceived dilution of the Northumbrian piping tradition. It contained references which would be picked up by many on this list, whether or not they agreed with the underlying opinions, but you can't please, or amuse, everybody. Cheers Matt On 10/7/08, Robert Greef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This posting makes my point more emphatically, because even with this extra commentary the passage is still meaningless dribble. Say what you mean! Or is this whole farrago totally content -free? Cheers, Robert - Original Message - From: Matt Seattle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Threat replies are in I suspect there has been some misunderstanding of Chris Ormston's post - The new threat is from another species imported from Ireland and Scotland. This beast has a stout black body with a creamy white head, and has taken root in newcastlegateshead. A pint of Guinness (or similar stout) is the image, symbolising or alluding to . To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Pipes for sale
Greetings pipers, A lovely set of Evans NSP has arrived at The Irish Flute store. I've listed them on eBay should anyone know of someone looking for a nice set. I have listed a Roberts 1/2 set of UP as well. [1]http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/pjandlbj Best, Doc Irishflutestore.com -- References 1. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/pjandlbj To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Tharsei
or as the translation from the greek goes, Be of good cheer John 16:33 et al (wonderful combination, the internet and the bible.) I think Chris is far too pessimistic and lacking in self confidence. I may be well off the mark here, but I'd guess in the first half of the 1900s there were only a few dozen people carrying on the traditions and tunes of NSP. Now there are hundreds. possibly thousands of people playing the pipes all around the world, and a good many of them are aiming for the Gold Standard, so there are quite possibly more people playing, or trying to play, the pipes the traditional way than ever before. Regarding the traditional Northumbrian tunes, it's known that many of these were lifted, or have migrated from Scotland and Ireland, and Keep your feet still Geordie Hinny and the Rowan Tree at least, were known under different names by my father-in-law playing the melodeon in Norfolk over 50 years ago. We should accept this cross fertilization as an invigoration, I've no doubt many Northumbrian tunes are played on Uillean pipes, and the playing of other forms of music on the pipes widens their audience and brings more devotees into the fold,( if that's not a mixed metaphor.) I thoroughly enjoy Chris's playing, but I enjoy trying to play the fiddle too, and back beat and syncopation does it for me. I am not ashamed to say that KT first brought my attention to the pipes, although she was a young lass playing the fiddle when I first saw her. Without her more broadly accessible/commercial/populist (call it what you will) style and repertoire, many people would never have come to the pipes. That may have been a good thing or not, who's to say. Whatever, I don't think traditional playing is threatened, but is becoming available to a wider and wider audience with the advent of the internet. Discuss. Tim - Original Message - From: Matt Seattle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Greef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: More code? I'll spell it out A pint of Guinness (or similar stout) is the image, symbolising or alluding to . Ireland, and by extension, in the context, Irish music. Chris's post was an amusing (to me and presumably others) comment on the perceived dilution of the Northumbrian piping tradition. It contained references which would be picked up by many on this list, whether or not they agreed with the underlying opinions, but you can't please, or amuse, everybody. Cheers Matt On 10/7/08, Robert Greef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This posting makes my point more emphatically, because even with this extra commentary the passage is still meaningless dribble. Say what you mean! Or is this whole farrago totally content -free? Cheers, Robert - Original Message - From: Matt Seattle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Threat replies are in I suspect there has been some misunderstanding of Chris Ormston's post - The new threat is from another species imported from Ireland and Scotland. This beast has a stout black body with a creamy white head, and has taken root in newcastlegateshead. A pint of Guinness (or similar stout) is the image, symbolising or alluding to . To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1711 - Release Date: 10/6/2008 5:37 PM
[NSP] Re: Tharsei
In the early part of the century there was a 'head' of perhaps half a dozen excellent pipers in various styles. And others, the 'tail' less excellent, but more numerous, perhaps in the dozens. The head is still less than a dozen strong at most, - I won't name them as if I leave one out by mistake, it will start a war, pipers being such a placid bunch. There are scores of fairly good pipers. There is also a very long tail. The question for the development of the tradition is whether the head and tail are trying to go in the same direction -Original Message- From: tim rolls BT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 October 2008 14:21 To: Matt Seattle Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Tharsei or as the translation from the greek goes, Be of good cheer John 16:33 et al (wonderful combination, the internet and the bible.) I think Chris is far too pessimistic and lacking in self confidence. I may be well off the mark here, but I'd guess in the first half of the 1900s there were only a few dozen people carrying on the traditions and tunes of NSP. Now there are hundreds. possibly thousands of people playing the pipes all around the world, and a good many of them are aiming for the Gold Standard, so there are quite possibly more people playing, or trying to play, the pipes the traditional way than ever before. Regarding the traditional Northumbrian tunes, it's known that many of these were lifted, or have migrated from Scotland and Ireland, and Keep your feet still Geordie Hinny and the Rowan Tree at least, were known under different names by my father-in-law playing the melodeon in Norfolk over 50 years ago. We should accept this cross fertilization as an invigoration, I've no doubt many Northumbrian tunes are played on Uillean pipes, and the playing of other forms of music on the pipes widens their audience and brings more devotees into the fold,( if that's not a mixed metaphor.) I thoroughly enjoy Chris's playing, but I enjoy trying to play the fiddle too, and back beat and syncopation does it for me. I am not ashamed to say that KT first brought my attention to the pipes, although she was a young lass playing the fiddle when I first saw her. Without her more broadly accessible/commercial/populist (call it what you will) style and repertoire, many people would never have come to the pipes. That may have been a good thing or not, who's to say. Whatever, I don't think traditional playing is threatened, but is becoming available to a wider and wider audience with the advent of the internet. Discuss. Tim - Original Message - From: Matt Seattle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Greef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: More code? I'll spell it out A pint of Guinness (or similar stout) is the image, symbolising or alluding to . Ireland, and by extension, in the context, Irish music. Chris's post was an amusing (to me and presumably others) comment on the perceived dilution of the Northumbrian piping tradition. It contained references which would be picked up by many on this list, whether or not they agreed with the underlying opinions, but you can't please, or amuse, everybody. Cheers Matt On 10/7/08, Robert Greef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This posting makes my point more emphatically, because even with this extra commentary the passage is still meaningless dribble. Say what you mean! Or is this whole farrago totally content -free? Cheers, Robert - Original Message - From: Matt Seattle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Threat replies are in I suspect there has been some misunderstanding of Chris Ormston's post - The new threat is from another species imported from Ireland and Scotland. This beast has a stout black body with a creamy white head, and has taken root in newcastlegateshead. A pint of Guinness (or similar stout) is the image, symbolising or alluding to . To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1711 - Release Date: 10/6/2008 5:37 PM
[NSP] code
What inspires the work of men of genius is not new ideas, but their obsession with the idea that what has already been said is still not enough Eugene Delacroix. Bring it on, as they say (I think!) Jim. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: More code?
- Original Message - From: Robert Greef [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Philip Gruar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: More code? Now that we know, we do have two (at least slightly) amusing responses! All the best, Robert - Original Message - From: Philip Gruar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:54 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: More code? In order to avoid in-crowd allusions, and in order to make everything clearly explained, I think that John should have explained that his reference here was to the Bible (the sacred book of the Christian religion - which believes that . Oh I guess you can find that elsewhere on the net) The context is Saint Paul, First Letter to the Corinthians Now we see as through a glass, darkly, then we shall see face to face, meaning(look it up somewhere) (incidentally, I am in tongue-in-cheek mode again here - apologies. No offence meant!) Philip Original Message - From: Gibbons, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:13 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: More code? So neither content-free nor context-free Now we see through a glass, (of Guinness) darkly... John To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Heads and Tails
Is anybody else out there trying to work out where they are on this amazing beast? I've decided that I'm the left testicle. Paul __ Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone [1]Try it Now! -- References 1. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354028/direct/01/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Heads and Tails
Now that IS amusing! I just hope that no-one has the cheek to tell us which part I am. Even in coded form! Cheers, and welcome to the list, Helen. Robert - Original Message - From: Helen Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dartmouth NSP nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Heads and Tails I'm a right boob then! Helen On 7 Oct 2008, at 16:57, Paul Rhodes wrote: Is anybody else out there trying to work out where they are on this amazing beast? I've decided that I'm the left testicle. Paul __ Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone [1]Try it Now! -- References 1. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354028/direct/01/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: solo vs. group playing
OK Barry, At our regular Monday meeting last night in Morpeth at our temporary venue in the Methodist Hall I thought I would try out the solo piping idea with every one present and of the nine who were there only a couple said they would rather not play solo. There was no crticism of their individual playing unless they asked for it and as MC I restricted my comments to remarking on the tone of the pipes and a little bit about posture and bellows technique. After doing their solo they chose a tune that we could all play together so they could relax. With a lot of chat we had a good ' celidh ' in the original meaning of the word that took us up to 10 o'clock when a few of us adjourned to the pub to finish off the night. The Monday meetings were started by myself when I was the original curator of the Bagpipe Museum when it was in Newcastle with a view to mixing social piping with advice and comments on playing from everyone present so it would be an instructional as well as sociable occasion. The mixing of the solo piping with group playing worked better that I thought it would so we will be doing it again. Thanks for the reminder. Colin R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:52 Subject: [NSP] solo vs. group playing In historic times (before 1990) I am told that there was a fair proportion of solo playing at NPS meetings, and presumably elsewhere. Some pipers found the prospect of playing on there own before their peers a daunting and nerve-wracking prospect. Since that time we have come to a point where large numbers of pipers can play relatively in tune with one another, and to a great extent solo playing has taken a back seat except for the top-class pipers and competitors.I will not condemn playarounds or sessions or performance groups. Playing pipes 'tout ensemble' can a very sociable activity and undoubtedly can give those with less experience an opportunity to stretch their playing without feeling unduly exposed. However, playing in a herd does not allow the piper to develop their own style, nor to hear the style and manner of playing of their peers. It also seems to generate a reluctance for pipers to play in front of their peers.I think that! we should reintroduce some solo piping performance into the life of the NSP community. We should encourage pipers of all abilities to demonstrate their capabilities at the level to which they have progressed. Those of us who have more experience should lead by example, praise should be given where it is due and criticism should be withheld (both at the time and in the pub afterwards). As well as developing the courage to perform we should have the patience to listen to others and support their endeavours.There is my pebble in the pond. Any ripples?Barry SayTo get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. --
[NSP] Transporting pipes
I have a practical question. Can anyone suggest a decent hard case that i could use to transport a set of pipes in as hand luggage on a longhaul flight? What do other people use? Also, I'll be travelling for 20-30 hours, and would appreciate any hints on how to minimize humidity issues/effects on the pipes. Cheers - Neil -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: solo vs. group playing
Hello All, In respect of the postings by Colin and Barry: I really don't want to get involved in what is clearly a fairly fundamental and personal disagreement, but I was at the Morpeth meeting last night and I feel I need to clarify something. Colin offered the opportunity for solo playing; the offer was accepted by consent of the group and only those who wanted to do so did in fact play. There was no pressure whatsoever to play, and that was completely clear to everyone. I thought the offer was a fair one, and Colin also made it clear from the outset that no criticism would be made. The offer was such that I was motivated to play, although I would normally shun of the idea of solo or competitive playing as I would shun a specimen of Rattus Rattus who had just stepped ashore and announced that he had a few boils and a bit of a cough. One person specifically asked for comment, before playing, and explained their reason for doing so. The subsequent comment was constructive, fairly given and carefully justified. The rest of those who played received nothing but uncritical acceptance and tacit encouragement for playing. Richard See your new look Tiscali Homepage - http://www.tiscali.co.uk ___ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
