[NSP] Re: Keep on Ranting!
Thanks Chris, Looks fascinating, but as I'm not familiar with abc, I tried pasting it on the site, on the abc converter, but got an error message, tried ticking a few boxes, but no improvement. Anyone more computer savvy who can tell me what I'm doing wrong? Tim - Original Message - From: Chris Ormston ch...@chrisormston.com To: 'NSP List' nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:24 PM Subject: [NSP] Keep on Ranting! Here's a new one - enjoy! X:1 T:Keelman Brown of Newburn C:Chris Ormston M:4/4 K:D de|fdfa d2dc|BGBd A2de|fdfa gfed|f2e2e2 de|fdfad2dc|BGBd A2 AG|FAGB Aage|f2d2d2:|| ef|gBgf eAde|fAfe d2de|fdfa gfed|f2e2e2 ef|gBgf eAde|fAfe d2AG|FAGB Aage|f2d2d2:|| For those who prefer dots, copy and paste the above here: [1]http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/abcconvert.php Chris Ormston chrisormston.com borderdirectors.com -- References 1. http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/abcconvert.php To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/1999 - Release Date: 03/13/09 05:59:00
[NSP] Re: Keep on Ranting!
Hi Tim, When I tried this I got errors, but they were all to do with white space. Delete the new line characters so that all the text is closed up without blank lines - worked for me. This is a useful site, and its worth persevering with if it doesn't work first time, because you get the dots as well as the midi, which you can download to mess around with if you want to put the agogics in etc, though it sounds good as is. Nice tune! Bob - Original Message - From: tim rolls BT tim.ro...@btconnect.com To: 'NSP List' nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; Chris Ormston ch...@chrisormston.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:40 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: Keep on Ranting! Thanks Chris, Looks fascinating, but as I'm not familiar with abc, I tried pasting it on the site, on the abc converter, but got an error message, tried ticking a few boxes, but no improvement. Anyone more computer savvy who can tell me what I'm doing wrong? Tim - Original Message - From: Chris Ormston ch...@chrisormston.com To: 'NSP List' nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:24 PM Subject: [NSP] Keep on Ranting! Here's a new one - enjoy! X:1 T:Keelman Brown of Newburn C:Chris Ormston M:4/4 K:D de|fdfa d2dc|BGBd A2de|fdfa gfed|f2e2e2 de|fdfad2dc|BGBd A2 AG|FAGB Aage|f2d2d2:|| ef|gBgf eAde|fAfe d2de|fdfa gfed|f2e2e2 ef|gBgf eAde|fAfe d2AG|FAGB Aage|f2d2d2:|| For those who prefer dots, copy and paste the above here: [1]http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/abcconvert.php Chris Ormston chrisormston.com borderdirectors.com -- References 1. http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/abcconvert.php To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/1999 - Release Date: 03/13/09 05:59:00
[NSP] Re: Keep on Ranting!
Correct! A short cycle ride for me on a Sunday - and a longer ride back :-) http://www.petersen-stainless.co.uk/blb/brewery.html Chris -Original Message- From: julia@nspipes.co.uk [mailto:julia@nspipes.co.uk] Sent: 14 March 2009 10:11 To: 'NSP List' Subject: [NSP] Re: Keep on Ranting! On 14 Mar 2009, Chris Ormston wrote: T:Keelman Brown of Newburn Presumably this is a dark form of liquid refreshment from the microbrewery at said location; or have the re-enactors been in? Yet another good tune! Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Keep on Ranting!
I'm reasonably familiar with abc (at least, playing them) but I'm also having problems. I'm getting a list of warnings with abc2midi and abcNavigaitor says no tune but, for the life of me, I just can't see what the problem is. Same thing with the suggested URL. It will be something in the way the mail program formats it, I'm sure, but I don't know quite what. Seems to be something to do with the spacing? Colin Hill. - Original Message - From: tim rolls BT tim.ro...@btconnect.com To: 'NSP List' nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; Chris Ormston ch...@chrisormston.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:40 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: Keep on Ranting! Thanks Chris, Looks fascinating, but as I'm not familiar with abc, I tried pasting it on the site, on the abc converter, but got an error message, tried ticking a few boxes, but no improvement. Anyone more computer savvy who can tell me what I'm doing wrong? Tim - Original Message - From: Chris Ormston ch...@chrisormston.com To: 'NSP List' nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:24 PM Subject: [NSP] Keep on Ranting! Here's a new one - enjoy! X:1 T:Keelman Brown of Newburn C:Chris Ormston M:4/4 K:D de|fdfa d2dc|BGBd A2de|fdfa gfed|f2e2e2 de|fdfad2dc|BGBd A2 AG|FAGB Aage|f2d2d2:|| ef|gBgf eAde|fAfe d2de|fdfa gfed|f2e2e2 ef|gBgf eAde|fAfe d2AG|FAGB Aage|f2d2d2:|| For those who prefer dots, copy and paste the above here: [1]http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/abcconvert.php Chris Ormston chrisormston.com borderdirectors.com -- References 1. http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/abcconvert.php To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/1999 - Release Date: 03/13/09 05:59:00
[NSP] Re: Keep on Ranting!
Good one! And NEARLY fits the Border pipes too. I use this site http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html for abc conversion, don't know if it's better or worse than the other one. borderdirectors.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Keep on Ranting!
http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html Is good too, but doesn't like blank lines. John -Original Message- From: nsp-request+j.gibbons=ic.ac...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:nsp-request+j.gibbons=ic.ac...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of tim rolls BT Sent: 14 March 2009 09:41 To: 'NSP List'; Chris Ormston Subject: [NSP] Re: Keep on Ranting! Thanks Chris, Looks fascinating, but as I'm not familiar with abc, I tried pasting it on the site, on the abc converter, but got an error message, tried ticking a few boxes, but no improvement. Anyone more computer savvy who can tell me what I'm doing wrong? Tim - Original Message - From: Chris Ormston ch...@chrisormston.com To: 'NSP List' nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:24 PM Subject: [NSP] Keep on Ranting! Here's a new one - enjoy! X:1 T:Keelman Brown of Newburn C:Chris Ormston M:4/4 K:D de|fdfa d2dc|BGBd A2de|fdfa gfed|f2e2e2 de|fdfad2dc|BGBd A2 AG|FAGB Aage|f2d2d2:|| ef|gBgf eAde|fAfe d2de|fdfa gfed|f2e2e2 ef|gBgf eAde|fAfe d2AG|FAGB Aage|f2d2d2:|| For those who prefer dots, copy and paste the above here: [1]http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/abcconvert.php Chris Ormston chrisormston.com borderdirectors.com -- References 1. http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/abcconvert.php To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/1999 - Release Date: 03/13/09 05:59:00
[NSP] Re: Keep on Ranting!
Works perfectly now. Great tune. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Chris Ormston ch...@chrisormston.com To: 'tim rolls BT' tim.ro...@btconnect.com; 'NSP List' nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: Keep on Ranting! Tim, Try pasting this instead: X:1 T:Keelman Brown of Newburn C:Chris Ormston M:4/4 K:D de|fdfa d2dc|BGBd A2de|fdfa gfed|f2e2e2 de|fdfad2dc|BGBd A2 AG|FAGB Aage|f2d2d2:|| ef|gBgf eAde|fAfe d2de|fdfa gfed|f2e2e2 ef|gBgf eAde|fAfe d2AG|FAGB Aage|f2d2d2:|| Extra lines appeared in my post when it was converted from rich text to plain text format Chris -Original Message- From: tim rolls BT [mailto:tim.ro...@btconnect.com] Sent: 14 March 2009 09:41 To: 'NSP List'; Chris Ormston Subject: Re: [NSP] Keep on Ranting! Thanks Chris, Looks fascinating, but as I'm not familiar with abc, I tried pasting it on the site, on the abc converter, but got an error message, tried ticking a few boxes, but no improvement. Anyone more computer savvy who can tell me what I'm doing wrong? Tim - Original Message - From: Chris Ormston ch...@chrisormston.com To: 'NSP List' nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:24 PM Subject: [NSP] Keep on Ranting! Here's a new one - enjoy! X:1 T:Keelman Brown of Newburn C:Chris Ormston M:4/4 K:D de|fdfa d2dc|BGBd A2de|fdfa gfed|f2e2e2 de|fdfad2dc|BGBd A2 AG|FAGB Aage|f2d2d2:|| ef|gBgf eAde|fAfe d2de|fdfa gfed|f2e2e2 ef|gBgf eAde|fAfe d2AG|FAGB Aage|f2d2d2:|| For those who prefer dots, copy and paste the above here: [1]http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/abcconvert.php Chris Ormston chrisormston.com borderdirectors.com -- References 1. http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/abcconvert.php To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/1999 - Release Date: 03/13/09 05:59:00
[NSP] Re: Moving away from the First 30 tunes
Hello Tim If you (or anyone else is interested) I have a recording of the closing set at a Rothbury Festival Sunday afternoon session. It is an enjoyable set, 15+ mins of spontaneous music making, quite lively and some good rants in amongst! Recorded on cassette, so not brilliant quality but listenable. I'd be happy to burn this to CD and post it to interested parties on receipt of their addresses. The musicians include Alistair Anderson, Will Atkinson, Joe Hutton, Will Taylor, Greg Smith, Chris Wood, Me, Jamie Robb (my eldest - and if any one calls him Jimmy I'll withdraw my offer!! :-) ) and about 30 others from around these islands. As aye Anthony --- On Thu, 12/3/09, tim rolls BT tim.ro...@btconnect.com wrote: From: tim rolls BT tim.ro...@btconnect.com Subject: [NSP] Moving away from the First 30 tunes To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, 12 March, 2009, 9:13 AM Hi Anthony, Obviously I don't have your knowledge and background of Northumbrian music, so I don't have the same depth of feeling for these matters that you do. My purpose in following the threads on this group is to get an understanding of piping as it is, and was, from experienced people like you, and this is an incredibly rich source of knowledge. Because there is such a diverse range of opinions, often based on historical or geographical connections, often deeply held, the picture is rich and colourful. Long may that continue. You are perhaps correct that the direct relevance of masonry to the first 30 tunes is had to see, and maybe a new title was appropriate, but as a thread of thought I felt it was pertinent, and indeed the mason's decision was perhaps food for thought. I don't think there is any wish to gloss over the heritage, just a lack of knowledge, which is why your contribution is so valued. Re many of these pieces were still being played by a strong cohort of traditional musicians in north Northumberland in a style which pleased them and fitted their needs extremely well. Do you feel, as you have used the past tense, that this is no longer so? Is the (North?) Northumbrian style of playing lost apart from recordings? Has it been subsumed by Tyneside influences? Which current players do you feel best demonstrate that style? Is that style better/truer then other styles currently in evidence? Should any style be preserved in aspic or should we accept evolution, whilst treasuring, and being influenced by styles of the past be they on vinyl or in mp3? Discuss. Tim - Original Message - From: Anthony Robb [1]anth...@robbpipes.com To: NSP group [2]...@cs.dartmouth.edu; Richard York [3]rich...@lizards.force9.co.uk Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:20 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: First 30 tunes Sorry to butt in folks, especially since I'm not sure what the exact context is! As the subject matter is the First 30 tunes the relevance of Victorian / Medieval masonry escapes me. I do get the impression, Richard, that you might be regarding these tunes as treasures from an earlier age. Let me reassure you that many of these pieces were still being played by a strong cohort of traditional musicians in north Northumberland in a style which pleased them and fitted their needs extremely well. It is the lack of appreciation of this and the fact that they played their reels with a phrasing that was neither march, polka or reel. This pulse fitted the dance step of choice, the Rant, so perfectly that they referred to the tunes themselves as rants. This was far more than a social pastime for the likes of Will Atkinson whose payment from The Tanner Hops made his, Bella's and their 10 bairns lives, much more bearable. It is the glossing over of this unique heritage that drives me to bring it to a wider audience. If you haven't already done so buy Will Atkinson's wonderful CD and you'll see what I mean. Regards Anthony --- On Wed, 11/3/09, Richard York [4]rich...@lizards.force9.co.uk wrote: From: Richard York [5]rich...@lizards.force9.co.uk Subject: [NSP] Re: First 30 tunes To: NSP group [6]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 11 March, 2009, 8:48 PM In a way, that's the least important part of the story :) It struck me at the time what a parallel it was with our treatment of music which comes to us from before our time, or at least before deadly accurate sound recording, whether it's medieval or anything else. But to answer your question, Tim, if I remember aright, he treated them each variously according to how much was evident from the original form, how much damage the dear Victorians had done, and in what
