[NSP] Re: When did a rant become a Rant?
The word goes back at least to the 17th century. The composer John Jenkins (died 1678) included some pieces titled 'Rant' in his viol consort music. The ones I know are strongly rhythmic but certainly not tomato soup-ers. AFAIK it is not known why they were called that. He came from south-east England and passed most of his life there, but I suppose it's possible that he picked up the dance from some northerners. Thomas On 5 Apr 2009, at 13:14, Richard York wrote: I am enjoying playing Sir Charles Rant - or Sir Charle's Rant - in Peacock, but the title is interesting. It obviously isn't a rant under the various definitions discussed here recently, since it's in 6/8. For those without Peacock who like words to rhythms, it doesn't refer to tomato soup, gobstoppers, or anything like that, but rather seems to say Rant? this is no rant is no rant is no rant etc. So when, please, did the word come to specifically mean That Dance, and what did it signify earlier? (Or was Sir Charles just an always angry sort of chap?) I know that Jigge/Gigge/Gigue/Jig etc went through a whole variety of meanings between Elizabethan Theatre, baroque salon, and much more, before coming to mean, well, what I'd call the tune Sir Charles Rant. I apologise if there's some note in the back of a book/email on this list which explains all, and I haven't seen the obvious. With thanks, Richard. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 73 Huntington Rd, York YO31 8RL 01904-673675 http://homepage.ntlworld.com/greenery/
[NSP] Re: Newcastle Journal Article
On 13 Apr 2009, at 10:55, Francis Wood wrote: I have no opinion whatsoever on the truth of the assertions made in this recent posting. However, I believe it is indecent for a child to be publically criticised in this forum. I agree. Thomas Green 73 Huntington Rd, York YO31 8RL 01904-673675 http://homepage.ntlworld.com/greenery/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Queries
Our grandson's mother is a professional trad musician whose main instrument is the accordion. She played right up to the end of pregnancy - in fact, her waters broke while she was on tour. The grandson seems just fine so far (at 2 and a bit years). I know accordions aren't quite the same but they're more like NSP than, say, a flute. Good luck Thomas On 13 Apr 2009, at 18:39, anne corlett wrote: Now the stupid question - is there any reason why I shouldn't play while pregnant? I am guessing not, although I may need some extra holes in my bellows belt! I am just concious that they are quite loud and sitting pretty near my stomach. 73 Huntington Rd, York YO31 8RL 01904-673675 http://homepage.ntlworld.com/greenery/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Clough v Reid - keys sequence
Just a thought - clarinets have at least two duplicated little-finger keys to help certain passages. Thomas Green On 5 May 2011, at 10:10, Philip Gruar wrote: a.d.s wrote Clough played in A maj and C maj. The arrangement of the Clough arrangement of key's was C low at the left side and B at the right side and that would allow player's to play in B and play the Beeswing, Underhand and whatever. Thanks for the replies on and off-list so far. As expected, there are differing opinions. Adrian - are you saying that a B left, C right arrangement will make it significantly harder to play Beeswing, Underhand etc? Is the classic CB style essential/desirable for the traditional virtuoso repertoire? If I start making chanters with BC instead of the traditional CB, am I sending non-standard instruments out into the piping world which will hamper their future owners for years to come? Or will they join Colin's chanters with ABC, low G's etc. as part of the rich tapestry, which players will get used to? Should pipe-makers adopt a new standard with a left-side low B, but try to make it still just as easy to hit in arpeggios down from G/D as a right-side low B? Maybe this should only be done where there is also a right-side C# paired with D, but not where the C# is on the left? Philip - Original Message - From: a.d.s a@ntlworld.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 1:36 AM Subject: [NSP] Clough v Reid Hello all, I don't know of any player's since Clough that played in C except me and those that followed my example. Top C was added to my chanter by Colin, which was in F, which allowed me to play from low C to top C. This was a first as far as I know; bottom G didn't exist then. Adrian -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 73 Huntington Rd, York YO31 8RL 01904-673675 http://homepage.ntlworld.com/greenery/
[NSP] Re: Rants again
On 11 Jul 2011, at 20:06, Dave S wrote: Etymology+Origin of rant (verb) 1598, from Du. randten talk foolishly, rave, of unknown origin (cf. Ger. rantzen to frolic, spring about). The noun is first attested 1649, from the verb. Ranters antinomian sect which arose in England c.1645 is attested from 1651; applied 1823 to early Methodists. A 1700 slang dictionary has rantipole a rude wild Boy or Girl. On 7/11/2011 8:32 PM, Tim Rolls wrote: rant. Old Eng. 17th-cent. dance of the jig variety. It originated in Scotland an d N. England. Four examples occur in Playford's The Dancing Master (1657 and 166 5 revisions). The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Music | 1996 Any advance on Playford? John Jenkins (1592-1678), composer f music for the viol (viola da gamba), wrote several duos headed 'rant'. His music mainly survives in manuscript so it's hard to date precisely. Thomas Green 73 Huntington Rd, York YO31 8RL 01904-673675 [1]http://homepage.ntlworld.com/greenery/ -- References 1. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/greenery/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
