[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation
___ From: Paul Gretton [mailto:i...@gretton-willems.com] Sent: 06 February 2010 11:00 To: 'Anthony Robb' Subject: RE: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation I don't actually want to reply to this but I can hardly avoid doing so given what I'm accused of. This will be my final response. My short and spontaneous answer would be Oh, for God's sake, Anthony, don't be so bloody WET! I said that the performance needed one to have a barf bag handy. You referred to that remark as gratuitous nastiness and cruelly revolting (and now insulting, dismissive and out of order). That is a ridiculous overreaction on your part. Perhaps you are not familiar with the expression get me a barf bag (or the finger-in-throat gesture that often accompanies it). It is a common expression of dislike -- not revulsion or hatred -- by no means as savage as you make out. And I was attacking a performance, not Dru. to my way of thinking. Exactly! [we...] should not be in the game of belittling one another's musical favourites. I believe that we should be able to express both positive AND negative views on this forum. We are not here to like or encourage EVERYTHING (even just pedagogically). Various bona fide Famous Pipers have made FAR more dismissive comments here about performances - particularly those of a certain lady - than my barf bag remark. I am suggesting you move on from your prejudices against trained singers and listen to the whole story of the piece which seems to be more Lieder than Folk. I haven't the faintest idea what you mean here. I have no prejudice whatsoever against trained singers (including in the Irish repertoire) or the piece. My objection was to the particular performance referenced, which turns a great piece of sean nos into something cloying and mawkish, with a horrible plinky accompaniment -- Arran-sweaters-by-the-fireside easy listening. I - i.e. me, myself, personally -- find that it does violence to the essence of the music. NB: I was/am commenting on a paid professional performer, who places herself before the public for money, thus inviting comment. And although these are my personal opinions, I can assure you that a lot of lovers of Irish folk will share them. The repertoire that the song comes from has real GUTS. It's not meant to be simperingly sweet. Many of the great female sean nos singers sing with a similar trained voice production but without the mawkishness. This particular song is about loss and longing, both personal and (symbolically) national. You wouldn't sing the Marseillaise, for example, as a soppy lament! (OHMIGAWD!! Beam me up Scottie -- I've gone and expressed an OPINION again! You're allowed to disagree, Anthony - no problem -- but remember the hackneyed old Voltaire quote.) We don't want to know if it makes you sick!! You clearly don't, and I'm sure masses of forumees will instantly agree with you, as they slip another Maureen Hegarty CD into the player. But as Tim Berners-Lee was pointing out on the Beeb only this week, his brainchild has had the effect of opening up debate not just to like-minded groups and mutual admiration societies but also to objectionable rotters like me. Cheers, Sixtus Beckmesser (I have locked Paul Gretton in the cellar so he can't savage any more nice people) ___ From: Anthony Robb [mailto:anth...@robbpipes.com] Sent: 06 February 2010 00:12 To: Paul Gretton Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: RE: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation Find it revolting if you must - but we don't need to be informed of it! This is a a forum for that tiny minority of people who have found Northumbrian music and culture rewarding and uplifting. If you have to disagree with a posting please do it with some understanding and respect for the person expressing their thoughts. Your response was insulting, dismissive and out of order to my way of thinking. We are a tiny minority of Northumbrian pipes lovers and should not be in the game of belittling one another's musical favourites. I am suggesting you move on from your prejudices against trained singers and listen to the whole story of the piece which seems to be more Lieder than Folk. We don't want to know if it makes you sick!! As aye Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation - pedantry warning
at least you know your brass from your oboe! -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Anita Evans Sent: Fri 2/5/2010 7:57 PM To: Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation - pedantry warning Matt Seattle wrote: It's all beyond me, I don't know my Erse from my Alba brilliant Matt - I (and the list) needed cheering up! Anita -- Anita Evans To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation
I had the same problem here when I met my wife. After 33 years Ahm are reet noo lake.-- Richard Shuttleworth wrote : I am thinking of including the Irish slow air Sliabh Na M'Ban (Billy Pigg version) in a concert performance this coming Sunday but have no idea how to pronounce the title properly. Can anyone help? Thanks, Richard -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- This message was sent on behalf of malcolm.sargea...@ntlworld.com at openSubscriber.com http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu/13379380.html
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation
There's a youtube of Maureen Hegarty singing a particularly attractive version at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 , with a link to her own youtube with her singing a lot of other Irish classics. particularly attractive ? LOL! How about Make sure you have a barf bag handy before you listen! But then: de gustibus non est disputandum as we say in Maastricht (pronounced disgusting buses full of disputing nuns). Mr Nasty To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation
OK so it doesn't butter your parsnip! Perhaps the easiest answer is to press the stop button instead of letting it bother you! Cheers Anthony --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Paul Gretton i...@gretton-willems.com wrote: From: Paul Gretton i...@gretton-willems.com Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 9:25 There's a youtube of Maureen Hegarty singing a particularly attractive version at [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 , with a link to her own youtube with her singing a lot of other Irish classics. particularly attractive ? LOL! How about Make sure you have a barf bag handy before you listen! But then: de gustibus non est disputandum as we say in Maastricht (pronounced disgusting buses full of disputing nuns). Mr Nasty To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation - pedantry warning
I have it on good authority from several Irish persons that the name of the Irish language in English is Irish. In Irish it's gaeilge. Gaelic is normally reserved for the language of Scotland Gaeilge na hAlban (or Gh`aidhlig in Scossgallic) Csirz -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[1]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Robb Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:04 AM To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; Paul Gretton Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation OK so it doesn't butter your parsnip! Perhaps the easiest answer is to press the stop button instead of letting it bother you! Cheers Anthony --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Paul Gretton i...@gretton-willems.com wrote: From: Paul Gretton i...@gretton-willems.com Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 9:25 There's a youtube of Maureen Hegarty singing a particularly attractive version at [1][2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 , with a link to her own youtube with her singing a lot of other Irish classics. particularly attractive ? LOL! How about Make sure you have a barf bag handy before you listen! But then: de gustibus non est disputandum as we say in Maastricht (pronounced disgusting buses full of disputing nuns). Mr Nasty To get on or off this list see list information at [2][3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 2. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation
Which I of course did -- pretty sharpish. But this is a forum for DISCUSSING things. A contributor expressed his opinion and I did the same. Don't let it bother you! ;-) Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Robb Sent: 05 February 2010 11:04 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; Paul Gretton Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation OK so it doesn't butter your parsnip! Perhaps the easiest answer is to press the stop button instead of letting it bother you! Cheers Anthony --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Paul Gretton i...@gretton-willems.com wrote: From: Paul Gretton i...@gretton-willems.com Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 9:25 There's a youtube of Maureen Hegarty singing a particularly attractive version at [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 , with a link to her own youtube with her singing a lot of other Irish classics. particularly attractive ? LOL! How about Make sure you have a barf bag handy before you listen! But then: de gustibus non est disputandum as we say in Maastricht (pronounced disgusting buses full of disputing nuns). Mr Nasty To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation
Paul Gretton wrote: But then: de gustibus non est disputandum as we say in Maastricht (pronounced disgusting buses full of disputing nuns). Mr Nasty Or as they say on Tyneside after a heavy night in the Bigg Market. sic transit gloria mundi (pronounced Gloria was rather ill while travelling in a van on Monday) B To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation
Hello Dru, Although the tune on page 44 of book 2 is a really nice tune, it isn't the same one that caused my original enquiry. However, your tune (Slievenamon) agrees with a tune identified as Sliabh na mban in the Roche Collection of Traditional Irish Music, which I have always found to be a pretty authentic book. I am working from a version that appears in print in the old Billy Pigg's Compositions and a Selection of his other Repertoire that was produced some years ago by Adrian, Colin, Julia and G Warren (who I unfortunately do not know). Adrian recorded it on his cassette Jane of Biddlestone and called it Sliabh na mban but with the English subtitle of The Iron Man and attributed to Scott Skinner. I have a vague recollection that Pauline Cato has also recorded this tune under the title The Iron Man but I haven't had time to check my CDs yet. Sliabh na mban translates roughly as Hill of the Women so it would appear that Billy did get it wrong as Adrian says. Bart Blanquart very kindly sent me a link to a YouTube rendering of the air I am working on, which was introduced, in Gaelic, as Sliabh na mban. The pronunciation agreed with versions that several other people sent me. So there seem to be two melodies wandering around with the same title. All rather confusing really :-)) My grateful thanks to all those who responded to my original query. I now know how to pronounce the title that could be either the right or the wrong name of the tune I will be playing. There's never a dull moment! Cheers, Richard - Original Message - From: Dru Brooke-Taylor drubrooketay...@btinternet.com To: nsp nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation Is this a version of tune on page 44 of book 2? If so, it's a great tune, and as far as I know, the title is pronounced Slievenamon, as Adrian says. It's a mountain. There's a lot of variation in the way it is sung, from an air, to a belter. But I think it may have got into the repertoire either from people listening to Radio Athlone or from a tune book published in Glasgow about 80 years ago. There's a youtube of Maureen Hegarty singing a particularly attractive version at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 , with a link to her own youtube with her singing a lot of other Irish classics. Dru On 5 Feb 2010, at 00:28, inky adrian wrote: Billy got it wrong. Slieve na whatever is not what Billy played, unless there is another tune with same title. But that title, I've always pronounced it sleeve na mon. see http://www.irishpage.com/songs/slevmoan.htm Adrian To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation
Since when did gratuitous nastiness become discussion? There are polite/witty ways of giving an opinion. Being cruelly revolting about a piece that truly speaks to someone else is childish. Anthony --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Paul Gretton i...@gretton-willems.com wrote: From: Paul Gretton i...@gretton-willems.com Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 11:20 Which I of course did -- pretty sharpish. But this is a forum for DISCUSSING things. A contributor expressed his opinion and I did the same. Don't let it bother you! ;-) Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Robb Sent: 05 February 2010 11:04 To: [3]...@cs.dartmouth.edu; Paul Gretton Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation OK so it doesn't butter your parsnip! Perhaps the easiest answer is to press the stop button instead of letting it bother you! Cheers Anthony --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Paul Gretton [4]i...@gretton-willems.com wrote: From: Paul Gretton [5]i...@gretton-willems.com Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation To: [6]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 9:25 There's a youtube of Maureen Hegarty singing a particularly attractive version at [1][7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 , with a link to her own youtube with her singing a lot of other Irish classics. particularly attractive ? LOL! How about Make sure you have a barf bag handy before you listen! But then: de gustibus non est disputandum as we say in Maastricht (pronounced disgusting buses full of disputing nuns). Mr Nasty To get on or off this list see list information at [2][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 2. [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=i...@gretton-willems.com 5. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=i...@gretton-willems.com 6. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=...@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation - pedantry warning
Good point! Similarly, we don't say Deutsch when we mean German or Nederlands when we mean Dutch. In the same vein, it annoys me when various BBC pundits talk of the language of Iran as being Farsi as opposed to Persian. (It seems btw that the Persian equivalent of the Academie Franc,aise would in any case prefer us to use Persian.) Cheers, Nasty (and pedantic) Paul Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu Sent: 05 February 2010 11:40 To: anth...@robbpipes.com; nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; i...@gretton-willems.com Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation - pedantry warning I have it on good authority from several Irish persons that the name of the Irish language in English is Irish. In Irish it's gaeilge. Gaelic is normally reserved for the language of Scotland Gaeilge na hAlban (or Gh`aidhlig in Scossgallic) Csirz -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[1]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Robb Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:04 AM To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; Paul Gretton Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation OK so it doesn't butter your parsnip! Perhaps the easiest answer is to press the stop button instead of letting it bother you! Cheers Anthony --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Paul Gretton i...@gretton-willems.com wrote: From: Paul Gretton i...@gretton-willems.com Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 9:25 There's a youtube of Maureen Hegarty singing a particularly attractive version at [1][2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 , with a link to her own youtube with her singing a lot of other Irish classics. particularly attractive ? LOL! How about Make sure you have a barf bag handy before you listen! But then: de gustibus non est disputandum as we say in Maastricht (pronounced disgusting buses full of disputing nuns). Mr Nasty To get on or off this list see list information at [2][3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 2. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation
Oh... do me a favour!!! gratuitous nastiness...cruelly revolting... purLEASE!!!. Go and play Mr Nice Guy somewhere else. (How about North Northumberland -- wherever that is.) Cheers, Mr Nasty -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Robb Sent: 05 February 2010 17:20 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; Paul Gretton Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation Since when did gratuitous nastiness become discussion? There are polite/witty ways of giving an opinion. Being cruelly revolting about a piece that truly speaks to someone else is childish. Anthony --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Paul Gretton i...@gretton-willems.com wrote: From: Paul Gretton i...@gretton-willems.com Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 11:20 Which I of course did -- pretty sharpish. But this is a forum for DISCUSSING things. A contributor expressed his opinion and I did the same. Don't let it bother you! ;-) Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Robb Sent: 05 February 2010 11:04 To: [3]...@cs.dartmouth.edu; Paul Gretton Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation OK so it doesn't butter your parsnip! Perhaps the easiest answer is to press the stop button instead of letting it bother you! Cheers Anthony --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Paul Gretton [4]i...@gretton-willems.com wrote: From: Paul Gretton [5]i...@gretton-willems.com Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation To: [6]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 9:25 There's a youtube of Maureen Hegarty singing a particularly attractive version at [1][7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 , with a link to her own youtube with her singing a lot of other Irish classics. particularly attractive ? LOL! How about Make sure you have a barf bag handy before you listen! But then: de gustibus non est disputandum as we say in Maastricht (pronounced disgusting buses full of disputing nuns). Mr Nasty To get on or off this list see list information at [2][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 2. [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=i...@gretton-willems.com 5. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=i...@gretton-willems.com 6. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=...@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation
Boring. On 5 Feb 2010, at 17:18, Paul Gretton wrote: Oh... do me a favour!!! gratuitous nastiness...cruelly revolting... purLEASE!!!. Go and play Mr Nice Guy somewhere else. (How about North Northumberland -- wherever that is.) Cheers, Mr Nasty To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation - pedantry warning
It's all beyond me, I don't know my Erse from my Alba On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Paul Gretton [1]i...@gretton-willems.com wrote: Good point! Similarly, we don't say Deutsch when we mean German or Nederlands when we mean Dutch. In the same vein, it annoys me when various BBC pundits talk of the language of Iran as being Farsi as opposed to Persian. (It seems btw that the Persian equivalent of the Academie Franc,aise would in any case prefer us to use Persian.) -- References 1. mailto:i...@gretton-willems.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation - pedantry warning
Matt Seattle wrote: It's all beyond me, I don't know my Erse from my Alba brilliant Matt - I (and the list) needed cheering up! Anita -- Anita Evans To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation
Find it revolting if you must - but we don't need to be informed of it! This is a a forum for that tiny minority of people who have found Northumbrian music and culture rewarding and uplifting. If you have to disagree with a posting please do it with some understanding and respect for the person expressing their thoughts. Your response was insulting, dismissive and out of order to my way of thinking. We are a tiny minority of Northumbrian pipes lovers and should not be in the game of belittling one another's musical favourites. I am suggesting you move on from your prejudices against trained singers and listen to the whole story of the piece which seems to be more Lieder than Folk. We don't want to know if it makes you sick!! As aye Anthony -- On Fri, 5/2/10, Paul Gretton i...@gretton-willems.com wrote: From: Paul Gretton i...@gretton-willems.com Subject: RE: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation To: 'Anthony Robb' anth...@robbpipes.com Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 17:23 Being cruelly revolting about a ***piece*** that truly speaks to someone else is childish. Just to clarify: the piece is glorious. It's the way the singer shafts it that I find truly revolting. Cheers, Paul -Original Message- From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Robb Sent: 05 February 2010 17:20 To: [3]...@cs.dartmouth.edu; Paul Gretton Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation Since when did gratuitous nastiness become discussion? There are polite/witty ways of giving an opinion. Being cruelly revolting about a piece that truly speaks to someone else is childish. Anthony --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Paul Gretton [4]i...@gretton-willems.com wrote: From: Paul Gretton [5]i...@gretton-willems.com Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation To: [6]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 11:20 Which I of course did -- pretty sharpish. But this is a forum for DISCUSSING things. A contributor expressed his opinion and I did the same. Don't let it bother you! ;-) Cheers, Paul Gretton -Original Message- From: [1][7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2][8]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Robb Sent: 05 February 2010 11:04 To: [3][9]...@cs.dartmouth.edu; Paul Gretton Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation OK so it doesn't butter your parsnip! Perhaps the easiest answer is to press the stop button instead of letting it bother you! Cheers Anthony --- On Fri, 5/2/10, Paul Gretton [4][10]i...@gretton-willems.com wrote: From: Paul Gretton [5][11]i...@gretton-willems.com Subject: [NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation To: [6][12]...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 5 February, 2010, 9:25 There's a youtube of Maureen Hegarty singing a particularly attractive version at [1][7][13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 , with a link to her own youtube with her singing a lot of other Irish classics. particularly attractive ? LOL! How about Make sure you have a barf bag handy before you listen! But then: de gustibus non est disputandum as we say in Maastricht (pronounced disgusting buses full of disputing nuns). Mr Nasty To get on or off this list see list information at [2][8][14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [9][15]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 2. [10][16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [17]http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.ed u 2. [18]http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.ed u 3. [19]http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. [20]http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=i...@gretton-willems.com 5. [21]http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=i...@gretton-willems.com 6. [22]http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=...@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. [23]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 8. [24]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. [25]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NraclF8vRX8 10. [26]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=i...@gretton
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation
Hi Richard, The most likely pronunciation, looking at it, is probably something like 'sleeve na marn' or 'mawn'. Hope that helps! David On 4 February 2010 21:36, Richard Shuttleworth [1]rshuttlewo...@sympatico.ca wrote: I am thinking of including the Irish slow air Sliabh Na M'Ban (Billy Pigg version) in a concert performance this coming Sunday but have no idea how to pronounce the title properly. Can anyone help? Thanks, Richard -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:rshuttlewo...@sympatico.ca 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Gaelic Pronunciation
Billy got it wrong. Slieve na whatever is not what Billy played, unless there is another tune with same title. But that title, I've always pronounced it sleeve na mon. see http://www.irishpage.com/songs/slevmoan.htm Adrian To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
