Francis Wood said;
I must say, I greatly prefer Gilbert Askew's re-working of this tune to the
reworking of the abc below!
Well you would, it has the familiarity of long association.
What Dunk submitted in manuscript to the NPS was no scribble. Its
appearance looks plausible and musically
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Francis Wood [oatenp...@googlemail.com]
Sent: 17 July 2011 00:23
To: barr...@nspipes.co.uk
Cc: Dave Shaw; NSPlist
Subject: [NSP] Re: Mr Dunk - Inspector of Public Nuisances
On 17 Jul 2011, at 00:16, barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote:
I think
I do very much agree with what John Gibbons said a few days ago:
If the NPS offered a trophy of a silver cup full of beer for anyone playing W
on the W verbatim from memory,
nobody would ever want to win it. It doesn't work, whether in classical,
modern or traditional terms.
Is it really
On 17 Jul 2011, at 14:10, Francis Wood quoted John Gibbons:
If the NPS offered a trophy of a silver cup full of beer for anyone playing
W on the W verbatim from memory . . . .,
Just as an afterthought, John, . . . were you suggesting that the cup full of
beer be awarded before, or after
Dunk - Inspector of Public Nuisances
On 17 Jul 2011, at 14:10, Francis Wood quoted John Gibbons:
If the NPS offered a trophy of a silver cup full of beer for anyone playing
W on the W verbatim from memory . . . .,
Just as an afterthought, John, . . . were you suggesting that the cup full
On 17 Jul 2011, Dave Shaw wrote:
I haven't seen the original ms
I have posted a reduced size version of the scan of the MS on the NPS bulletin
board in a new thread entitled Whinshields on the Wall.
I hope this helps
Julia
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On 17 Jul 2011, at 13:47, Dave Shaw wrote:
The question must therefore be why did Askew choose to re-write the tune or
could he not see what should have been staring him in the face either.
Perhaps there are two distinct questions here. So here's an attempt at two
answers:
- The
In a message dated 17/07/2011 17:07:14 GMT Daylight Time,
oatenp...@googlemail.com writes:
http://www.northumbrianpipers.org.uk/pipersforum/viewtopic.php?f=18;
t=206
Dave is right, Dunk meant it to be in ternary form.
A, B, A', with A' being an ornamented recap leading
Thanks for that Julia.
It helps to see the full ms and makes perfect sense. The music is at least
arranged spacially the way I have suggested and the double length symbol in
the last bar shows it to be a slowed finish, again as suggested.
Writing music longhand is a slow and precise process.
Quoting Dave Shaw d...@daveshaw.co.uk:
It is a little clunky and overcomplicated in places
Dave's opinion here echoes my own untutored an instinctive reaction to the ms.
A related topic,
I have a problem with composition competitions where manuscripts are
presented to a judge.
Written
In a message dated 17/07/2011 20:33:27 GMT Daylight Time,
barr...@nspipes.co.uk writes:
Just because a piece breaks some notional (artificial?) rules,
doesn't
make it bad music.
Oddly, I don't think W on the W does break any rules in this sense.
Except for our
Francis Wood wrote;
I'm not convinced that this is anything else other than nonsense. It
starts familiarly but then goes completely mad ( a brief allusion to 'Il
est né, le Divin Enfant' creeps in) and goes all over the place. I agree,
though . . . a very interesting character!
Mr Dunk was
Hello Dave and others,
I must say, I greatly prefer Gilbert Askew's re-working of this tune to the
reworking of the abc below!
What Dunk submitted in manuscript to the NPS was no scribble. Its appearance
looks plausible and musically literate and there's no doubt at all as to the
intentions
I would like to thank Dave for the effort he has put into this. I do
not believe the piece is without merit, but it is beyond my personal
musical capacity.
Quoting Dave Shaw d...@daveshaw.co.uk:
Well, the educated musicians of Dunks day tended to be snobbish and
condescending towards
Well, this is what Dunk actually wrote, transcribed in abc from the very clear
manuscript in the possession of the NPS:
X:NPS Collection
T:Whin Shields on the Wall
C:John L. Dunk
Q:1/4=100
M:2/4
L:1/16
K:G
z6 d2 |B2G2 G2B2 |A2D2 D2D2 |G2G2 GABc |d3B d2g2 |e2c2 c2e2 |d2G2 G2AB |c2E2
E2FG |ABcd
On 15 Jul 2011, at 16:59, Gibbons, John wrote:
But it's so free-form that it sounds like he was drunk when he wrote it.
H . . . Dunk and disorderly.
Francis
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from the last couple of mail it's a critiques slam dunk
Dave
H . . . Dunk and disorderly.
Francis
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