[NSP] Re: Transposing
Well, I must admit, if I only played stuff that was in the "correct" key, I'd be playing very little. Not being very good at reading the dots, I play more by using the sol-fah method using my ear (obviously, I'm talking slower tunes here, ahem). I do this for all my instruments. The key I play it in is whatever key the instument plays in (although English Concertina tends to be in G, F or D). Unless there are vocals involved, I don't really worry. If it sounds nice, I play it. If it doesn't, I don't. Yeah, Dark Island is a nice example of drone clashing. Then again, it was written for one drone sound so I suppose that accounts for it. Usr the ones that sound best. (Joins Helen under the parapet) :) Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Helen Capes" To: ; Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:47 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing If a tune sounds good on the pipes, I say, "Go for it!". I have found that a tune can look as though it's going to be great, the key is playable, all seems fine, but the emphasis is wrong against the drones. So do the transposing then play and listen! I think a good example is 'Dark Island" It sounds lovely on the pipes, but the drones clash. If playing it in G, I only play the D drones, (if I remember rightly.) Ok I will put my head back down below the parapet! Cheers H - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: [NSP] Transposing Here's a question I don't recall seeing discussed here: I played concertina for English Country Dancing for years, and have a lot of wonderful tunes in my head. I'd love to be able to play them on my NSP, but they are often in keys that I can't play in--and perhaps my pipes even can't. So my question is this: Does everyone transpose tunes so they can play them? Or is that considered bad karma, and I'll be given the stank eye by "real" players if I'm caught doing that? Thx Alec -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Transposing
Anthony wrote As Stewart Hardy remarks when asked to play such material at weddings, "yes, I could play that for you but you might be very disappointed with the result"! I can certainly agree with that sentiment! I was once asked to play "You'll never walk alone" - on Highland pipes, at a 40th birthday party held in an ex-servicemen's club, and I did manage an approximation of it (bits transposed up or down as necessary) accompanied by one of those ancient analogue electronic organs you get in those sort of places, plus the disk-jockey crooning into his mike. It was a surprise for the Scotland-loving (but not Scottish!) and Liverpool-supporting birthday-boy organised by his wife. I have to admit it sounded unbelievably awful, but the guests and the birthday-boy all loved it, I was well paid and I had several drinks pressed on me before I escaped into the night. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Transposing
If a tune sounds good on the pipes, I say, "Go for it!". I have found that a tune can look as though it's going to be great, the key is playable, all seems fine, but the emphasis is wrong against the drones. So do the transposing then play and listen! I think a good example is 'Dark Island" It sounds lovely on the pipes, but the drones clash. If playing it in G, I only play the D drones, (if I remember rightly.) Ok I will put my head back down below the parapet! Cheers H - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: [NSP] Transposing Here's a question I don't recall seeing discussed here: I played concertina for English Country Dancing for years, and have a lot of wonderful tunes in my head. I'd love to be able to play them on my NSP, but they are often in keys that I can't play in--and perhaps my pipes even can't. So my question is this: Does everyone transpose tunes so they can play them? Or is that considered bad karma, and I'll be given the stank eye by "real" players if I'm caught doing that? Thx Alec -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Transposing
Hi Alec, If you can play it by ear on the NSP no harm done. "Real" NSPipers play all sorts of things, even Mozart, so you should feel free to play whatever pleases you. The NSP in F, or thereabouts, and D are transposing instruments anyway. all the best, John On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 7:45 PM, wrote: > Here's a question I don't recall seeing discussed here: I played > concertina for English Country Dancing for years, and have a lot of > wonderful tunes in my head. I'd love to be able to play them on my > NSP, but they are often in keys that I can't play in--and perhaps my > pipes even can't. So my question is this: Does everyone transpose > tunes so they can play them? Or is that considered bad karma, and I'll > be given the stank eye by "real" players if I'm caught doing that? > > Thx > > Alec > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
> Yes. Just read it down one note without writing it out. >You'll soon get > used to it and acquire a valuable skill. > Best suggestion yet! c To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
I reckon you'd be better of writing it out by hand. This is what Mozart or Tom Clough would have done. c >-Original Message- >From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu >[mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of The Red Goblin >Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:43 PM >To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu >Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music > >> I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts >8< snip >> without having to wrie it all out by hand. > >OK then, Chris, I'll take the bait ... > >First, re what you don't want, I'm not sure whether (by "by >hand") you mean >direct mental transposition on paper or typing it up in >something like ABC. >And re what you do want, I'm assuming that's to have your PC >(or whatever) >do the donkey work. > >Either way, your primary task is to render the original parts in a >note-based electronic form - essentially a choice between ABC & MIDI >(software capable of transposing either and typesetting the >result in staff >notation being readily available). To typify each in a >nutshell, ABC has >strong 'grass roots' support whilst MIDI is an industry >stalwart but, as >tools exist for converting from either to the other (see >http://abcnotation.com/software.html), you're free to mix 'n' >match to some >extent. > >Exactly how you go about rendering it will depend on how you >are able to >present it to your computer for capture :- >* If it's purely in your head, forget it > (ESP interfaces are still the stuff of science fiction :) >* If it's a popular tune, a search may turn up a tweakable ready-made > file to save you starting from scratch > (e.g. c/o http://abcnotation.com/search.html or www.mfiles.co.uk/) >* If it's on paper, does anyone know if ONR has been invented yet ??? > (where, similar to OCR, ONR = Optical Note Recognition) >* If it's a digital audio file (mp3/ogg/wav etc), see the microphone > option two points below where it may be used as an alternate source >* Playing it on a MIDI instrument is well-established in music circles > - merely requiring MIDI capture software >* Playing it on a regular instrument into a microphone is another > option but the recognition/conversion software (e.g. Digital Ear) > needs to be pretty sophisticated and is thus accordingly expensive. > Also note that, like OCR results, the less precise the source the > more you'll have to manually correct the output - perhaps even to > totally negating all automation benefits in extreme cases >* Playing it on a virtual piano keyboard, c/o you PC keyboard, is yet > another option frequently offered by the bigger music applications > (e.g. Noteworthy Composer IIRC) >* Typing it up in ABC is also pretty easy once you get the hang of it > (being one of its primary design criteria) > >And my favourite ? ABC because it's such a straightforward, generally >useful and modular way of maintaining a basic tune collection >for the pipes. >For input, using it routinely, typing up new material is no >big deal and, >for transposition, http://abcnotation.com/software.html lists >5 tools (but >even that's not exhaustive). > >Steve Collins > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
Are but is the issue that it's the other players who will be playing in F? On 2 Aug 2009, at 18:25, Matt Seattle wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Christopher Gregg <[1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com> wrote: I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from "G" down to the key of "F" without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any suggestions? Yes. Just read it down one note without writing it out. You'll soon get used to it and acquire a valuable skill. -- References 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Christopher Gregg <[1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com> wrote: I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from "G" down to the key of "F" without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any suggestions? Yes. Just read it down one note without writing it out. You'll soon get used to it and acquire a valuable skill. -- References 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Transposing etc
Are these the guys at Dflat house in Camden? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Transposing etc
Hi John, How's about C# .net and Dflat (Dr Dobb's Callisthenics & Orthodontics) the former for the pro's and the latter for the con's ... Of course the pro's KNOW exactly what we must do, how we should do it and all the other arguements are mere piffle and squeak --- ciao Dave gibbonssoi...@aol.com wrote: Is there any software available which will input interminable arguments about the Pipers' Society rulebook, and output intelligent discussion about the instrument and its music? John -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.39/2275 - Release Date: 08/01/09 09:38:00
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
My apologies. I opened the link you gave, saw the price on that home page and looked no further (actually they have changed that page now to show Finale 2010 which costs $600 - £362 sterling). You, of course, were referring to Finale PrintMusic - a different program altogether. http://www.finalemusic.com/PrintMusic/ Retailing at $99.95 (£60.31). A slight difference. Not being familiar with the product, I didn't realise that they sold several different programs, sorry. Personally, I have always used Evolution Sound Studio Pro2 but, just since upgrading my PC, it doesn't want to print the scores (I don't think it's happy with XP as it was designed for Win95 and 98 so the printer drivers clash - running in compatibility mode doesn't help and it's no longer made so no updates available after WinMe). I'm now composing (occasionally) with that and saving the midi and then using a simpler program which works with XP to print the score.(plenty of trial versions of stuff around). Sorry for the misunderstanding. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: To: "colin" Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:05 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music Colin With all respect. If this is a response to my suggestion about Finale, you must have either not gone to the web-site or not clicked on the right icon. The version (Print Music)I suggested goes for $99.95; maybe still too much for you but still a pretty good deal. It also allows you to do groups from duets to symphonies. I guess with a little tweeking you might even incorporate a Boruin, Tuba or Opheclide. Not, mind you, I'm saying these instuments would ever stand at the level of the mighty small pipe. I'm only saying you could do such a thing. And indeed we do live and learn. Dick - Original Message - From: "colin" To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 5:18:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music Well, you live and learn! Maybe I should have said "nothing affordable". Mind you, for 300-400 dollars, I think I'll stick to pen and paper :-) Good to know anyway, thanks. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Valerio Pelliccioni" To: "colin" ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music > > colin ha scritto: >> Whichever way you do it, you are still going to have to "write it >> down" somewhere. >> Many music programs allow you to enter in the notes, transpose and >> then print them out but it would be just as easy for you to type in >> the transposed version and print it. >> As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then >> presents it as an editable score. >> What form is it in at present? >> To transpose and print, you have to first find a way of entering it >> into a PC and playing the notes on a virtual piano etc can end up with >> a very odd score indeed. Music editors are very precise, musicians are >> not :) >> Unless it's a concerto, hand copying is probably the best bet or ABC, >> convert to midi, transpose and print out. >> Plenty of stuff out there to do that. >> >> Colin Hill >> - Original Message - From: "Christopher Gregg" >> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:12 PM >> Subject: [NSP] Transposing music >> >> >>> >>> I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from "G" down to >>> the key of "F" without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any >>> suggestions? >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Gregg >>> >>> -- >>> Note new email address [1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com >>> [2]http://www.tuneit.ca >>> -- >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com >>> 2. http://www.tuneit.ca/ >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> >> > As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then >> presents it as an editable score. > Try this: http://www.musitek.com/smartscre.html for scanning, > transposing and printng. > It works!!! > Hope this helps! > > Valerio >> >> >> >> > > > > > --
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
Another s/w package that I don't think has been mentioned yet is Celtic Pipes http://www.celticpipes.net While at first glance it looks like it is targeted for Highland Pipes it has the capability to write above and below the GHB nine note ranges. It can import/export several different file types such as ABC and BMW and it can transpose. John Adams -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of tubad...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:05 PM To: colin Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music Colin With all respect. If this is a response to my suggestion about Finale, you must have either not gone to the web-site or not clicked on the right icon. The version (Print Music)I suggested goes for $99.95; maybe still too much for you but still a pretty good deal. It also allows you to do groups from duets to symphonies. I guess with a little tweeking you might even incorporate a Boruin, Tuba or Opheclide. Not, mind you, I'm saying these instuments would ever stand at the level of the mighty small pipe. I'm only saying you could do such a thing. And indeed we do live and learn. Dick - Original Message - From: "colin" To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 5:18:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music Well, you live and learn! Maybe I should have said "nothing affordable". Mind you, for 300-400 dollars, I think I'll stick to pen and paper :-) Good to know anyway, thanks. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Valerio Pelliccioni" To: "colin" ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music > > colin ha scritto: >> Whichever way you do it, you are still going to have to "write it >> down" somewhere. >> Many music programs allow you to enter in the notes, transpose and >> then print them out but it would be just as easy for you to type in >> the transposed version and print it. >> As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then >> presents it as an editable score. >> What form is it in at present? >> To transpose and print, you have to first find a way of entering it >> into a PC and playing the notes on a virtual piano etc can end up with >> a very odd score indeed. Music editors are very precise, musicians are >> not :) >> Unless it's a concerto, hand copying is probably the best bet or ABC, >> convert to midi, transpose and print out. >> Plenty of stuff out there to do that. >> >> Colin Hill >> - Original Message - From: "Christopher Gregg" >> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:12 PM >> Subject: [NSP] Transposing music >> >> >>> >>> I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from "G" down to >>> the key of "F" without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any >>> suggestions? >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Gregg >>> >>> -- >>> Note new email address [1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com >>> [2]http://www.tuneit.ca >>> -- >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com >>> 2. http://www.tuneit.ca/ >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> >> > As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then >> presents it as an editable score. > Try this: http://www.musitek.com/smartscre.html for scanning, > transposing and printng. > It works!!! > Hope this helps! > > Valerio >> >> >> >> > > > > > --
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
You'll find that Noteworthy Composer suggested by Helen is a bargain at $46 US. There is an evaluation copy available. Seriously - give it a go. you can find it at www.noteworthysoftware.com Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: "colin" To: Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 9:18 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music Well, you live and learn! Maybe I should have said "nothing affordable". Mind you, for 300-400 dollars, I think I'll stick to pen and paper :-) Good to know anyway, thanks. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
Colin With all respect. If this is a response to my suggestion about Finale, you must have either not gone to the web-site or not clicked on the right icon. The version (Print Music)I suggested goes for $99.95; maybe still too much for you but still a pretty good deal. It also allows you to do groups from duets to symphonies. I guess with a little tweeking you might even incorporate a Boruin, Tuba or Opheclide. Not, mind you, I'm saying these instuments would ever stand at the level of the mighty small pipe. I'm only saying you could do such a thing. And indeed we do live and learn. Dick - Original Message - From: "colin" To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 5:18:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music Well, you live and learn! Maybe I should have said "nothing affordable". Mind you, for 300-400 dollars, I think I'll stick to pen and paper :-) Good to know anyway, thanks. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Valerio Pelliccioni" To: "colin" ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music > > colin ha scritto: >> Whichever way you do it, you are still going to have to "write it >> down" somewhere. >> Many music programs allow you to enter in the notes, transpose and >> then print them out but it would be just as easy for you to type in >> the transposed version and print it. >> As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then >> presents it as an editable score. >> What form is it in at present? >> To transpose and print, you have to first find a way of entering it >> into a PC and playing the notes on a virtual piano etc can end up with >> a very odd score indeed. Music editors are very precise, musicians are >> not :) >> Unless it's a concerto, hand copying is probably the best bet or ABC, >> convert to midi, transpose and print out. >> Plenty of stuff out there to do that. >> >> Colin Hill >> - Original Message - From: "Christopher Gregg" >> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:12 PM >> Subject: [NSP] Transposing music >> >> >>> >>> I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from "G" down to >>> the key of "F" without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any >>> suggestions? >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Gregg >>> >>> -- >>> Note new email address [1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com >>> [2]http://www.tuneit.ca >>> -- >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com >>> 2. http://www.tuneit.ca/ >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> >> > As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then >> presents it as an editable score. > Try this: http://www.musitek.com/smartscre.html for scanning, > transposing and printng. > It works!!! > Hope this helps! > > Valerio >> >> >> >> > > > > > --
[NSP] Re: Transposing etc
No! Remember you are dealing with 21st century humans. Software with all it's ability is still written by humans. Dick - Original Message - From: gibbonssoi...@aol.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 6:31:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [NSP] Transposing etc Is there any software available which will input interminable arguments about the Pipers' Society rulebook, and output intelligent discussion about the instrument and its music? John -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
Well, you live and learn! Maybe I should have said "nothing affordable". Mind you, for 300-400 dollars, I think I'll stick to pen and paper :-) Good to know anyway, thanks. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Valerio Pelliccioni" To: "colin" ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music colin ha scritto: Whichever way you do it, you are still going to have to "write it down" somewhere. Many music programs allow you to enter in the notes, transpose and then print them out but it would be just as easy for you to type in the transposed version and print it. As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then presents it as an editable score. What form is it in at present? To transpose and print, you have to first find a way of entering it into a PC and playing the notes on a virtual piano etc can end up with a very odd score indeed. Music editors are very precise, musicians are not :) Unless it's a concerto, hand copying is probably the best bet or ABC, convert to midi, transpose and print out. Plenty of stuff out there to do that. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Christopher Gregg" To: Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: [NSP] Transposing music I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from "G" down to the key of "F" without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any suggestions? Chris Gregg -- Note new email address [1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com [2]http://www.tuneit.ca -- References 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com 2. http://www.tuneit.ca/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then presents it as an editable score. Try this: http://www.musitek.com/smartscre.html for scanning, transposing and printng. It works!!! Hope this helps! Valerio
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
colin ha scritto: Whichever way you do it, you are still going to have to "write it down" somewhere. Many music programs allow you to enter in the notes, transpose and then print them out but it would be just as easy for you to type in the transposed version and print it. As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then presents it as an editable score. What form is it in at present? To transpose and print, you have to first find a way of entering it into a PC and playing the notes on a virtual piano etc can end up with a very odd score indeed. Music editors are very precise, musicians are not :) Unless it's a concerto, hand copying is probably the best bet or ABC, convert to midi, transpose and print out. Plenty of stuff out there to do that. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Christopher Gregg" To: Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: [NSP] Transposing music I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from "G" down to the key of "F" without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any suggestions? Chris Gregg -- Note new email address [1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com [2]http://www.tuneit.ca -- References 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com 2. http://www.tuneit.ca/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then presents it as an editable score. Try this: http://www.musitek.com/smartscre.html for scanning, transposing and printng. It works!!! Hope this helps! Valerio
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
I use Noteworthy. It is relatively simple to use and and I can now print in a tune quite quickly then transpose it to whatever I like. Cheers Helen - Original Message - From: "Christopher Gregg" To: Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:12 AM Subject: [NSP] Transposing music I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from "G" down to the key of "F" without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any suggestions? Chris Gregg -- Note new email address [1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com [2]http://www.tuneit.ca -- References 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com 2. http://www.tuneit.ca/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
From a tuba playing lurker. Try finale Print Music. It lets you scan music and do all kinds of things with it. Try [1]www.finalemusic.com Good luck Dick Babcock - Original Message - From: "colin" To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:02:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music Whichever way you do it, you are still going to have to "write it down" somewhere. Many music programs allow you to enter in the notes, transpose and then print them out but it would be just as easy for you to type in the transposed version and print it. As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then presents it as an editable score. What form is it in at present? To transpose and print, you have to first find a way of entering it into a PC and playing the notes on a virtual piano etc can end up with a very odd score indeed. Music editors are very precise, musicians are not :) Unless it's a concerto, hand copying is probably the best bet or ABC, convert to midi, transpose and print out. Plenty of stuff out there to do that. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Christopher Gregg" To: Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: [NSP] Transposing music > > I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from "G" down to > the key of "F" without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any > suggestions? > > > > Chris Gregg > > -- > Note new email address [1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com > [2]http://www.tuneit.ca > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com > 2. http://www.tuneit.ca/ > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- References 1. http://www.finalemusic.com/
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
Whichever way you do it, you are still going to have to "write it down" somewhere. Many music programs allow you to enter in the notes, transpose and then print them out but it would be just as easy for you to type in the transposed version and print it. As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then presents it as an editable score. What form is it in at present? To transpose and print, you have to first find a way of entering it into a PC and playing the notes on a virtual piano etc can end up with a very odd score indeed. Music editors are very precise, musicians are not :) Unless it's a concerto, hand copying is probably the best bet or ABC, convert to midi, transpose and print out. Plenty of stuff out there to do that. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: "Christopher Gregg" To: Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: [NSP] Transposing music I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from "G" down to the key of "F" without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any suggestions? Chris Gregg -- Note new email address [1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com [2]http://www.tuneit.ca -- References 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com 2. http://www.tuneit.ca/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
ONR is available here - program called OMeR. Melody Assistant will do the transposing. http://www.myriad-online.com/en/index.htm I don't know how good the ONR is. Chris Harris -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of The Red Goblin Sent: 31 July 2009 19:43 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music > I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts 8< snip > without having to wrie it all out by hand. OK then, Chris, I'll take the bait ... First, re what you don't want, I'm not sure whether (by "by hand") you mean direct mental transposition on paper or typing it up in something like ABC. And re what you do want, I'm assuming that's to have your PC (or whatever) do the donkey work. Either way, your primary task is to render the original parts in a note-based electronic form - essentially a choice between ABC & MIDI (software capable of transposing either and typesetting the result in staff notation being readily available). To typify each in a nutshell, ABC has strong 'grass roots' support whilst MIDI is an industry stalwart but, as tools exist for converting from either to the other (see http://abcnotation.com/software.html), you're free to mix 'n' match to some extent. Exactly how you go about rendering it will depend on how you are able to present it to your computer for capture :- * If it's purely in your head, forget it (ESP interfaces are still the stuff of science fiction :) * If it's a popular tune, a search may turn up a tweakable ready-made file to save you starting from scratch (e.g. c/o http://abcnotation.com/search.html or www.mfiles.co.uk/) * If it's on paper, does anyone know if ONR has been invented yet ??? (where, similar to OCR, ONR = Optical Note Recognition) * If it's a digital audio file (mp3/ogg/wav etc), see the microphone option two points below where it may be used as an alternate source * Playing it on a MIDI instrument is well-established in music circles - merely requiring MIDI capture software * Playing it on a regular instrument into a microphone is another option but the recognition/conversion software (e.g. Digital Ear) needs to be pretty sophisticated and is thus accordingly expensive. Also note that, like OCR results, the less precise the source the more you'll have to manually correct the output - perhaps even to totally negating all automation benefits in extreme cases * Playing it on a virtual piano keyboard, c/o you PC keyboard, is yet another option frequently offered by the bigger music applications (e.g. Noteworthy Composer IIRC) * Typing it up in ABC is also pretty easy once you get the hang of it (being one of its primary design criteria) And my favourite ? ABC because it's such a straightforward, generally useful and modular way of maintaining a basic tune collection for the pipes. For input, using it routinely, typing up new material is no big deal and, for transposition, http://abcnotation.com/software.html lists 5 tools (but even that's not exhaustive). Steve Collins To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.38/2274 - Release Date: 07/31/09 05:58:00
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
> I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts 8< snip > without having to wrie it all out by hand. OK then, Chris, I'll take the bait ... First, re what you don't want, I'm not sure whether (by "by hand") you mean direct mental transposition on paper or typing it up in something like ABC. And re what you do want, I'm assuming that's to have your PC (or whatever) do the donkey work. Either way, your primary task is to render the original parts in a note-based electronic form - essentially a choice between ABC & MIDI (software capable of transposing either and typesetting the result in staff notation being readily available). To typify each in a nutshell, ABC has strong 'grass roots' support whilst MIDI is an industry stalwart but, as tools exist for converting from either to the other (see http://abcnotation.com/software.html), you're free to mix 'n' match to some extent. Exactly how you go about rendering it will depend on how you are able to present it to your computer for capture :- * If it's purely in your head, forget it (ESP interfaces are still the stuff of science fiction :) * If it's a popular tune, a search may turn up a tweakable ready-made file to save you starting from scratch (e.g. c/o http://abcnotation.com/search.html or www.mfiles.co.uk/) * If it's on paper, does anyone know if ONR has been invented yet ??? (where, similar to OCR, ONR = Optical Note Recognition) * If it's a digital audio file (mp3/ogg/wav etc), see the microphone option two points below where it may be used as an alternate source * Playing it on a MIDI instrument is well-established in music circles - merely requiring MIDI capture software * Playing it on a regular instrument into a microphone is another option but the recognition/conversion software (e.g. Digital Ear) needs to be pretty sophisticated and is thus accordingly expensive. Also note that, like OCR results, the less precise the source the more you'll have to manually correct the output - perhaps even to totally negating all automation benefits in extreme cases * Playing it on a virtual piano keyboard, c/o you PC keyboard, is yet another option frequently offered by the bigger music applications (e.g. Noteworthy Composer IIRC) * Typing it up in ABC is also pretty easy once you get the hang of it (being one of its primary design criteria) And my favourite ? ABC because it's such a straightforward, generally useful and modular way of maintaining a basic tune collection for the pipes. For input, using it routinely, typing up new material is no big deal and, for transposition, http://abcnotation.com/software.html lists 5 tools (but even that's not exhaustive). Steve Collins To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
