[NSP] Re: re notes v. ear

2009-06-11 Thread Anita Evans
christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: The "flatness" and mechanical playing problems which many people perceive with "playing from dots" is only inevitable for people who struggle with the reading, and those who think that the dots represent *exactly* how music should be played. I would en

[NSP] Re: re notes v. ear

2009-06-11 Thread Christopher.Birch
>The "flatness" and mechanical playing problems which many >people perceive >with "playing from dots" is only inevitable for people who >struggle with the >reading, and those who think that the dots represent *exactly* >how music >should be played. I would endorse this (and the rest). c O

[NSP] Re: re notes v. ear

2009-06-11 Thread Philip Gruar
Dave S wrote: No one has so far mention the fact that classical musicians usually have an ally waving a stick and hands giving them the colour, speeds and breathing life into the piece they are playing -- namely his interpretation of what the COMPOSER wished to convey from the dots, with all it

[NSP] Re: re notes v. ear

2009-06-11 Thread Dave S
Richard Evans wrote: Philip Gruar wrote: I'm sure everybody with a so-called "classical" music training here (and jazz or whatever) - i.e. anyone for whom the purely mechanical act of reading written music is completely second nature, does the reading without consciously thinking about doin

[NSP] Re: re notes v. ear

2009-06-11 Thread Matt Seattle
On 6/11/09, anth...@robbpipes.com wrote: >   When asked what the >   third tune was, Robin said he hadn't a clue - he'd forgotten the tune >   he was going to play and set off making a new tune up as he went along. This has happened on several occasions with Border Directors, as Chris would te

[NSP] Re: re notes v. ear

2009-06-11 Thread Anthony Robb
d you'll be more than halfway there. Anthony --- On Thu, 11/6/09, ch...@harris405.plus.com wrote: From: ch...@harris405.plus.com Subject: [NSP] Re: re notes v. ear To: "Dartmouth N.S.P. site" Date: Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 8:03 AM I'm not

[NSP] Re: re notes v. ear

2009-06-11 Thread Richard Evans
Philip Gruar wrote: Can I just say, with particular reference to Richard's last post, that I am in no way claiming any superiority for the classically-trained position. Reading my post again, it looks a bit as if I am. I didn't read that into it at all- it was just a comment by me on my own

[NSP] Re: re notes v. ear

2009-06-11 Thread Richard York
When teaching an evening class on playing traditional music a while back, I was determined to get the dots only players to play by ear, & visa versa too, so they all had the benefit of both techniques. Most seemed to find it useful. So after some weeks of working up to it, and following John K

[NSP] Re: re notes v. ear

2009-06-11 Thread chris
I'm not an artist, but my wife is, and she swears by a book called "Drawing on the right side of the brain". The premise is that the two halves of the brain work in different ways. The left side (and I may have got this garbled, correct me if I'm wrong) is analytical and logical, and the right side

[NSP] Re: re notes v. ear

2009-06-10 Thread anthony
all means use dots but also listen, listen and listen again; you know it'll do you good. As aye Anthony --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Philip Gruar wrote: From: Philip Gruar Subject: [NSP] Re: re notes v. ear To: "Dartmouth N.S.P. site" Date: Thursday, 11

[NSP] Re: re notes v. ear

2009-06-10 Thread Richard Hensold
Hi Philip, et al, I guess I need to respond to this... It is of course impossible to know just what Mr. Little was talking about in his attribution of "flatness" to note-reading-- we don't know the players involved, their abilities, their musical or cultural background, and I fr

[NSP] Re: re notes v. ear

2009-06-10 Thread Philip Gruar
Can I just say, with particular reference to Richard's last post, that I am in no way claiming any superiority for the classically-trained position. Reading my post again, it looks a bit as if I am. I enormously admire all those who play mostly by ear. I think on the whole they are better musici

[NSP] Re: re notes v. ear

2009-06-10 Thread Richard Evans
Philip Gruar wrote: I'm sure everybody with a so-called "classical" music training here (and jazz or whatever) - i.e. anyone for whom the purely mechanical act of reading written music is completely second nature, does the reading without consciously thinking about doing it. This is the bas

[NSP] Re: re notes v. ear

2009-06-10 Thread Richard Shuttleworth
Here here! I was hesitating about saying exactly the same thing, only you put it better than I could. Cheers, Richard Philip Gruar wrote: I think Peter makes just the point here that I was going to make, when Anthony (I think) first started the debate. Also, Dick made very good points. The "