Re: [NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

2008-01-31 Thread Otared Kavian
Hi all, I checked in some Persian printed books, and noticed that the rule is to write 18% or rather ۱۸% However I don't know of any book in Persian on rules of typography. But I am asking some people in Iran about the issue. Regarding the treatment of numbers, indeed numbers are written (a

Re: [NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

2008-01-31 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
> [bara erom] 12.472.477 [bara emos] > > [bara erom] 774.274.21 [bara emos] > > for long numbers a pretty fast reversing mind is needed I think you're mistaken about the flexibility of human mind. Eight digits may look like a lot, but that's really not a long string compared to an average lin

Re: [NTG-context] latest beta

2008-01-31 Thread Hans Hagen
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > On Jan 31, 2008, at 11:17 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > >> ok, i'll make a new beta zip; i dunny what went wrong; normally >> there is >> no reason to delete the cache; can you test again? >> >> Hans > > > Great, this one works! Thanks for your swift action, Hans. I hav

Re: [NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

2008-01-31 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:42:53 -0700, Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > interesting point ... ok, small numbers, but how about > > [bara erom] 12.472.477 [bara emos] > > [bara erom] 774.274.21 [bara emos] IIRC Persian and Arabic have diffferent rules; I need to research this again (check ur

Re: [NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

2008-01-31 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:35:35 -0700, Peter Münster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31 2008, Steffen Wolfrum wrote: >> >> Any native arabic speaker out there? Is it %18 or 18% ?? > > Hello, > > I don't know nothing about Arabic script, but wouldn't it be logic to ask > for "%81 or 18%" ? H

Re: [NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

2008-01-31 Thread Hans Hagen
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:25:45 -0700, Henning Hraban Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > Any native arabic speaker out there? Is it %18 or 18% ?? > >>> These subtlties need to be addressed for proper high-level handling of >>> Arabic-script in ConTeXt/mkiv. >> Hm,

Re: [NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

2008-01-31 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:25:45 -0700, Henning Hraban Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Any native arabic speaker out there? Is it %18 or 18% ?? >> These subtlties need to be addressed for proper high-level handling of >> Arabic-script in ConTeXt/mkiv. > > Hm, reminds me of conventions where you

Re: [NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

2008-01-31 Thread Hans Hagen
Peter Münster wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31 2008, Steffen Wolfrum wrote: >> Any native arabic speaker out there? Is it %18 or 18% ?? > > Hello, > > I don't know nothing about Arabic script, but wouldn't it be logic to ask > for "%81 or 18%" ? interesting point ... ok, small numbers, but how about [ba

Re: [NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

2008-01-31 Thread Peter Münster
On Thu, Jan 31 2008, Steffen Wolfrum wrote: > > Any native arabic speaker out there? Is it %18 or 18% ?? Hello, I don't know nothing about Arabic script, but wouldn't it be logic to ask for "%81 or 18%" ? Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ _

Re: [NTG-context] latest beta

2008-01-31 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
On Jan 31, 2008, at 11:17 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > ok, i'll make a new beta zip; i dunny what went wrong; normally > there is > no reason to delete the cache; can you test again? > > Hans Great, this one works! Thanks for your swift action, Hans. I haven't played with zipped trees yet, b

Re: [NTG-context] latest beta

2008-01-31 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
On Jan 31, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > ok, i'll check it (there have been changes to the underlying file > handling); did you do a luatools --generate before making the formats? Yes, sure; I still have the habit of having my luatex-cache in /tmp and deleting it before every upgrade.

Re: [NTG-context] latest beta

2008-01-31 Thread Hans Hagen
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > > On Jan 31, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > >> Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: >>> Hi Hans, >>> great: I now get Greek hyphenation with XeTeX as well! However, >>> there's a problem with mkiv: none of my mkiv-typescripts works with >>> it; I always get this error:

Re: [NTG-context] latest beta

2008-01-31 Thread Hans Hagen
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > On Jan 31, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > >> ok, i'll check it (there have been changes to the underlying file >> handling); did you do a luatools --generate before making the formats? > > Yes, sure; I still have the habit of having my luatex-cache in /tmp > a

Re: [NTG-context] latest beta

2008-01-31 Thread Hans Hagen
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > Hi Hans, > > great: I now get Greek hyphenation with XeTeX as well! However, > there's a problem with mkiv: none of my mkiv-typescripts works with > it; I always get this error: > > This went wrong: ...al/texlive/texmf-local/tex/context/base/luat- > tmp.lua:121: at

[NTG-context] latest beta

2008-01-31 Thread Thomas A . Schmitz
Hi Hans, great: I now get Greek hyphenation with XeTeX as well! However, there's a problem with mkiv: none of my mkiv-typescripts works with it; I always get this error: This went wrong: ...al/texlive/texmf-local/tex/context/base/luat- tmp.lua:121: attempt to call field 'is_writable' (a nil

Re: [NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

2008-01-31 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2008-01-31 um 16:08 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid: >> I have often seen (in arabic newpapers) the percentage sign set left >> to the number "% 18". >> Recently I read an article (http://sehstoerung.sonance.net/pdfs/ >> TitusNemeth_dissertation.pdf) that calls this "... the incorrect >> placement o

Re: [NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

2008-01-31 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:08:45 -0700, Idris Samawi Hamid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Both languages are left-to-right, RTL, of course... I -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, C

Re: [NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

2008-01-31 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Am 31.01.2008 um 16:08 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid: >> Any native arabic speaker out there? Is it %18 or 18% ?? > > It really depends on where you live. In Persian, 18% is common, among > Arabs, %18. Both languages are left-to-right, but there is more > than one > convention for dealing with mat

Re: [NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

2008-01-31 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:27:16 -0700, Steffen Wolfrum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I have often seen (in arabic newpapers) the percentage sign set left > to the number "% 18". > Recently I read an article (http://sehstoerung.sonance.net/pdfs/ > TitusNemeth_dissertation.pdf) that calls this

Re: [NTG-context] \everymath and ' accent

2008-01-31 Thread morgan . brassel
Selon Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > it's pretty dangerous to overload \everymath Yes, I guess so! It was just to see the difference between LaTeX and ConTeXt in this case. > maybe \appendtoks\displaystyle\to\everymath works Indeed, thank you! What I need actually is to modify $.$ locally (i

Re: [NTG-context] \everymath and ' accent

2008-01-31 Thread Hans Hagen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This topic has already been discussed on the list, but I didn't clearly > understand the conclusion, so I'm asking again... It is not clear to me why > the > following > > \everymath{\displaystyle} > \starttext > \startformula \frac{1}{A'} \stopformula

[NTG-context] \everymath and ' accent

2008-01-31 Thread morgan . brassel
Hi everyone, This topic has already been discussed on the list, but I didn't clearly understand the conclusion, so I'm asking again... It is not clear to me why the following \everymath{\displaystyle} \starttext \startformula \frac{1}{A'} \stopformula $\frac{1}{A'}$ \stoptext fails with ConTeXt

Re: [NTG-context] Indenting (again!): a real problem in indentnext=yes

2008-01-31 Thread morgan . brassel
Selon Taco Hoekwater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Ok, it's clearer to me now. Then I've got one last question on the subject: > I > > didn't manage to have paragraph indented inside an 'enumeration' block, is > there > > an option to do that? Thank you for your patience!

Re: [NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

2008-01-31 Thread Mr Dietrich Rordorf / MDPI
Dear Steffen, Arabic is read from right to left, so the the % sign in front of the number, if you read from right to left, becomes actually after the number. One of my co-worker originally from Lebanon confirmed this. Kind regards, Dietrich -- Mr. Dietrich Rordorf MDPI Center Matthaeusstrasse

Re: [NTG-context] Indenting (again!): a real problem in indentnext=yes

2008-01-31 Thread Taco Hoekwater
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Ok, it's clearer to me now. Then I've got one last question on the subject: I > didn't manage to have paragraph indented inside an 'enumeration' block, is > there > an option to do that? Thank you for your patience! It is indeed possible, but the how is not very intu

Re: [NTG-context] The point about theorems

2008-01-31 Thread morgan . brassel
Selon Aditya Mahajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > Selon Aditya Mahajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > I need to typeset theorems with ConTeXt, and I would like to get your > >> advice > >> > befor

Re: [NTG-context] Indenting (again!): a real problem in indentnext=yes

2008-01-31 Thread morgan . brassel
Selon Taco Hoekwater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Ah, misunderstood. You want > >> > >>\setupformulae[indentnext=auto] > > > > Thank you, Taco! And may I ask the difference with the 'yes' option? Is it > > documented somewhere? I'm having a real hard time understanding

[NTG-context] %18 or 18% : incorrect placement of the percentage sign ?

2008-01-31 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Hi, I have often seen (in arabic newpapers) the percentage sign set left to the number "% 18". Recently I read an article (http://sehstoerung.sonance.net/pdfs/ TitusNemeth_dissertation.pdf) that calls this "... the incorrect placement of the percentage sign". Any native arabic speaker out th

Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt CALS table XML > pdf

2008-01-31 Thread Hans Hagen
Tex User wrote: > Dear ConTeXt users, > I am ConTeXt newbie. I want to typeset my table coded in CALS xml > format to pdf. > > I am not sure how to define the spanning columns like > > bb cc entry> > > in \defineXMLnested [entry] \bTD \eTD > > please help. if you use contex

[NTG-context] ConTeXt CALS table XML > pdf

2008-01-31 Thread Tex User
Dear ConTeXt users, I am ConTeXt newbie. I want to typeset my table coded in CALS xml format to pdf. I am not sure how to define the spanning columns like bb cc in \defineXMLnested [entry] \bTD \eTD please help. - Be a better friend, ne