[NTG-context] PDF bookmarks - missing interactivity of some items
Dear All,
when bookmarks are placed to my file, only several of them are interactive.
I cannot find any rule for this behaviour nor to reproduce it on a
simplified example.
\setupinteraction[state=start]
\placebookmarks[chapter]
\setupinteractionscreen[option=bookmark]
...
\chapter{Chapter A}
...
\chapter{Chapter B}
...
Is there any known issue related to this?
ConTeXt 2013.11.14 (Mark IV), Windows 7 64-bit.
I can provide my file for testing (off the list).
Thanks, Jan
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[NTG-context] EPUB woes
I have been trying for a very long time to generate an epub document via context without success. I have followed the steps on the wiki to the letter, using the export-example file provided with the standalone distribution. A PDF generated from the file is exactly what I would expect from an example. The generated epub, however, is useless - all the text is jammed together into one continuous block with no formatting whatsoever. Adobe Digital Editions 2.0 crashes trying to open it. Sumatra and Sigil get it open but the results are as described above. Obviously I am missing a step or doing something wrong but I cannot see what. Context Standalone from a couple of days ago. Windows 7-64 (Home Premium) but I got the same results several months ago on a Linux system so I do not think it is OS-related. Sign me, Frustrated! -- Bill Meahan, Westland, Michigan “Writing is like getting married. One should never commit oneself until one is amazed at one's luck.” —Iris Murdoch ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] announcement and call
Am 15.11.2013 um 13:06 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl: On 11/15/2013 11:31 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: Hi Thomas, [snip, snip ] The problem with the two page setup is synchronizing the comments, notes, discussion of the critical edition's author. For a half way pleasing layout these should interplaced between the contrasted editions across the two pages. Yes, not an easy task. a lot depends on proper coding ... typesetting parallel texts is not per se the same as multiple streams ... it all depends on what one wants to achieve Like I had said in my post, a critical editions is a special case of parallel texts. How the different versions are brought together is a different matter. That one can have the texts in different files and bringing them together. Also, one way of looking at a two page layout is to assmune a multicolumn layout of a page that is 2 pages wide and 1 page high. After the columns have been layout, rearrange the columns onto the proper page size. That is the approriate boxes! I do not how difficult this would be. also, if 1 page is used then we should not limit to 2 pages (or columns) in parallel Like I said above there are approaches which facilitate a modular layout. True enough, this is not necessarily a TeX way of approaching the problem, yet should help to make the process as automated as possible. True enough that such an approach is not efficient, yet get the job done. I believe a modular approach should be chosen. It allows for the best possible flexibility and using the parallel text for the low-level typeset gives the author the best way of laying out the critical edition, instead of just putting simply texts next to each. That would not be academically sensible, because creating a critical edition is far far more! I agree that it is hard to automate the synchronization of text passages. The only viable approach would be at the paragraph level. A line level approach can only be achieved by interaction of the author of the critical edition with synchronization marks of some sort inside the editions. indeed. one cannot have the best of all worlds (perfect justification, perfect note handling, perfect synchronization) because the solition space gets too small (one thing Thomas and I discussed shortly is more advanced pdf's with more embedded info and so ... something for later) we also need to look into ebook like things ... This is something quite different an IMHO can be done relatively easily and lots of coding by creating commands for proper ebook production (mainly HTML 5 for epub and mobi output) and mapping those commands back to the ConTeXt commands for the production of pdfs if needed. Early, in my education in Computer Linguistics, decades ago, we had project where we wrote a program for entry of critical editions. The editions/texts and comments were entered in parallel on the tty-terminal screen and stored in a database. At that time we where no interested in fancy output and used a simple stacked output. As you probably know yourself, it is the entry and synchronization of the editions that is the problem an not as much the layout itself, though that is hard enough by itself. I do not see any way to do this in a normal linear single pass process. The question is in how far ConTeXt can support this task. ... time, motivation, etc ... I have just a brain stormed possible starting point. It as you can see it has quite some felixiblity as to how the texts is entered and ConTeXt does some rearranging during typesetting. One type of critical edition we have not discussed is when the author whats to work on a word basis. But, that is even a bigger can of worms for collating the data/texts. Most of what I have describe it probably obvious to you, yet well, keep collecting demands and examples ... best that we know what is needed (and by how many people, for how many years to come, as it makes no sense to develop code that is used once and then discarded because one moves to newer technologies) ... we also need to keep in mind that this kind of things are author driven as publishers are not paying for this kind of things nor willing to invest / support development of tools (if they are interested in anything else than 25-50% profits at all). Critical editions are very special and not that wide spread. Why do you think that there are not any very useful tools out in the wild. They are almost always coming from the Humanities and such authors are generally that computer savvy or versed in TeX let alone xml. That is why I strongly suggest using a modular approach, with a simplistic interface as possible. Most that are looking for tools in ConTeXt will say well if I have to learn that much first forget it.
Re: [NTG-context] EPUB woes
Hi Bill, Using a PDF as a basis for creating an Epub ebook is actually a lost cause. EPUB is a container format that just wraps around your PDF. I do not know of any ereader that can actually adjust the formatting/layout of a pdf in any significantly useful way. You are stuck with the formatting in the PDF. For a EPUB-ebook to adjust properly you need to use HTML5 and CSS. Producing PDF an sticking it into a EPUB or MOBI wrapper just does not make sense. regards Keith. Am 16.11.2013 um 16:16 schrieb Bill Meahan subscribed_li...@meahan.net: I have been trying for a very long time to generate an epub document via context without success. I have followed the steps on the wiki to the letter, using the export-example file provided with the standalone distribution. A PDF generated from the file is exactly what I would expect from an example. The generated epub, however, is useless - all the text is jammed together into one continuous block with no formatting whatsoever. Adobe Digital Editions 2.0 crashes trying to open it. Sumatra and Sigil get it open but the results are as described above. Obviously I am missing a step or doing something wrong but I cannot see what. Context Standalone from a couple of days ago. Windows 7-64 (Home Premium) but I got the same results several months ago on a Linux system so I do not think it is OS-related. Sign me, Frustrated! -- Bill Meahan, Westland, Michigan “Writing is like getting married. One should never commit oneself until one is amazed at one's luck.” —Iris Murdoch ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] EPUB woes
Am 16.11.2013 um 16:16 schrieb Bill Meahan subscribed_li...@meahan.net: I have been trying for a very long time to generate an epub document via context without success. I have followed the steps on the wiki to the letter, using the export-example file provided with the standalone distribution. A PDF generated from the file is exactly what I would expect from an example. The generated epub, however, is useless - all the text is jammed together into one continuous block with no formatting whatsoever. Adobe Digital Editions 2.0 crashes trying to open it. Sumatra and Sigil get it open but the results are as described above. Obviously I am missing a step or doing something wrong but I cannot see what. Context Standalone from a couple of days ago. Windows 7-64 (Home Premium) but I got the same results several months ago on a Linux system so I do not think it is OS-related. When you use the export option context creates a xml file from your document. When you call not the epub script context creates epub file which contains this xml file which uses a custom format and not xhtml as you would expect. To get a epub file which can be used with most reader (a few programs on windows/mac/linux can read contexts output) you have to convert context xml file into valid xhtml. What you have to do as well in your document to get proper tagged paragraphs is to add \startparagraph and \stopparagraph at the begin and end of each paragraph, otherwise context adds AFAIR br/ between them. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] [***SPAM***] Textile
To save possibly reinventing the wheel, has anyone written a filter for
processing Textile markup analogous to the filters for Markdown and
reStructuredText?
I tried using Pandoc to provide multiple formats of output (ConTeXt,
EPUB, MS Word) from a common source but Pandoc is excessively tied to
Markdown which does not understand the difference between emphasized
text and italic text and only outputs {\em word}, emword/em,
\emph{word} and so forth which means I have to go through every instance
of the tag and change tags where I want explicit italics as I use other
typographical techniques (small-caps or sans-serif or ...) for emphasis
but some things (book titles, ship names, foreign words/phrases et. al)
are always set in italics by convention. Pandoc continues its map
everything to em ways even if the input is textile or (X)HTML. There
are some other neat advantages to Textile as well such as local styling
(CSS or \begin{environment}... or \startenvironment ...)
I know a lot of computer languages now and I really don't want to learn
Lua or Haskell -- I'm retired! :)
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Bill Meahan, Westland, Michigan
“Writing is like getting married. One should never
commit oneself until one is amazed at one's luck.”
—Iris Murdoch
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Re: [NTG-context] EPUB woes
On 11/16/2013 11:00 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: Hi Bill, Using a PDF as a basis for creating an Epub ebook is actually a lost cause. EPUB is a container format that just wraps around your PDF. I do not know of any ereader that can actually adjust the formatting/layout of a pdf in any significantly useful way. You are stuck with the formatting in the PDF. For a EPUB-ebook to adjust properly you need to use HTML5 and CSS. Producing PDF an sticking it into a EPUB or MOBI wrapper just does not make sense. regards Keith. You are totally misreading what I wrote! I know there is no direct PDF - EPUB route and it's a fool's errand to think there is. However, with appropriate headers, ConTeXt is supposed to create either a PDF or and EPUB from a common source file marked up for ConTeXt. Hence, if I run wwm$ context options export-example.tex I expect to get a PDF *but* if I run wwm$ mtxrun --script epub --make export-example.tex - the same export-example.tex as above I would /expect/ to get a valid EPUB file, or so I'm lead to believe. At the moment, I'm simply trying it out using Hans' export-example.tex file that comes as part of the standard ConTeXt distribution, either Standalone or part of one of the other distributions. I haven't even opened the export-example.tex file in an editor (yet) in this round of trials and I've even run the script against it right in the /base/ directory where it is found in the distribution so I don't understand why it is not producing a valid EPUB. Once I've got that sorted out, I can try applying the lessons learned to my own documents. -- Bill Meahan, Westland, Michigan “Writing is like getting married. One should never commit oneself until one is amazed at one's luck.” —Iris Murdoch ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] EPUB woes
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013, Bill Meahan wrote:
I would /expect/ to get a valid EPUB file, or so I'm lead to believe.
At the moment, I'm simply trying it out using Hans' export-example.tex file
that comes as part of the standard ConTeXt distribution, either Standalone or
part of one of the other distributions. I haven't even opened the
export-example.tex file in an editor (yet) in this round of trials and I've
even run the script against it right in the /base/ directory where it is
found in the distribution so I don't understand why it is not producing a
valid EPUB. Once I've got that sorted out, I can try applying the lessons
learned to my own documents.
ConTeXt provides two types of exports. The first is an XML export.
Consider a sample file:
~~~ {test.tex}
\setupbackend[export=yes]
\starttext
\startsection[title={This is a test}]
\startparagraph
Some random text
\startitemize
\item First
\item Second
\stopitemize
\stopparagraph
\stopsection
\stoptext
~~~
Running `context test.tex` generates a `test.export` file that looks as
follows:
~~~ {test.export}
?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8' standalone='yes' ?
!-- input filename : test --
!-- processing date : Sat Nov 16 12:19:59 2013 --
!-- context version : 2013.11.01 15:02 --
!-- exporter version : 0.30 --
document language=en file=test date=Sat Nov 16 12:19:59 2013
context=2013.11.01 15:02 version=0.30
xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML;
section detail=section location='aut:1'
sectionnumber1/sectionnumber
sectiontitleThis is a test/sectiontitle
sectioncontent
paragraphSome random text itemgroup detail=itemize
symbol=1itemitemtagm:math display=inline!-- begin m:mrow
--m:mo•/m:mo!-- end m:mrow
--/m:math/itemtagitemcontentFirst/itemcontent/item
itemitemtagm:math display=inline!-- begin m:mrow
--m:mo•/m:mo!-- end m:mrow
--/m:math/itemtagitemcontentSecond/itemcontent/item/itemgroup/paragraph
/sectioncontent
/section
/document
~~~
which is simply an XML representation of the document.
In prinicple, if one adds an appropriate CSS file with that XML, any
recent browser will be able to display it. So, if you change the first
line of `test.tex` to
~~~
\setupbackend[export=yes, xhtml=yes, css=yes]
~~~
and run `context test.tex`, you will get four additional files:
`test.xhtml`, `test-styles.css`, `test-images.css`, and
`test.specification`.
The `test.xhtml` file look as follows:
~~~{test.xhtml}
?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8' standalone='yes' ?
!-- input filename : test --
!-- processing date : Sat Nov 16 12:22:58 2013 --
!-- context version : 2013.11.01 15:02 --
!-- exporter version : 0.30 --
?xml-stylesheet type=text/css href=test-styles.css?
?xml-stylesheet type=text/css href=test-images.css?
?xml-stylesheet type=text/css href=export-example.css?
document language=en version=0.30 file=test
xmlns:xhtml=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;
xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML; date=Sat Nov 16 12:22:58
2013 context=2013.11.01 15:02
xhtml:a name=aut_1section location=aut:1 detail=section
sectionnumber1/sectionnumber
sectiontitleThis is a test/sectiontitle
sectioncontent
paragraphSome random text itemgroup symbol=1
detail=itemizeitemitemtagm:math display=inline!-- begin m:mrow
--m:mo•/m:mo!-- end m:mrow
--/m:math/itemtagitemcontentFirst/itemcontent/item
itemitemtagm:math display=inline!-- begin m:mrow
--m:mo•/m:mo!-- end m:mrow
--/m:math/itemtagitemcontentSecond/itemcontent/item/itemgroup/paragraph
/sectioncontent
/section/xhtml:a
/document
~~~
Notice that apart from the three lines specifying the CSS files, the rest
of the document is the same as in XML export. The two css files,
`test-styles.css` and `test-images.css` include the relevant code for the
style modifications and images in the document. The css file
`export-example.css` comes with the ConTeXt distribution and has the
default values for most ConTeXt elements.
If you open the `test.xhtml` file in any browser, it will work correctly
(because an XHTML markup is extensible and can use any XML tags as long as
the behavior of the tag is specified in a CSS file). This is, however, not
a XHTML file that includes the default XHTML markup (h1, p, ul,
etc.)
Now, lets come back to the last file generated by the export:
`test.specification`. This is a lua file that contains:
~~~{test.specification}
return {
[files]={ test-styles.css, test-images.css, export-example.css,
test.xhtml },
[identifier]=e6a91a13-4e08-9494-3817-bfffe872be2c,
[images]={},
[language]=en,
[name]=test,
[root]=test.xhtml,
}
When you run `mtxrun --script epub --make test`, it just takes the files
specificied in the files field, and zips them in as a epub file.
Now, in principle, any epub reader should support the any XHTML file; in
practice, they only support the default XHTML tags. The XML+CSS file that
Re: [NTG-context] EPUB woes
On 11/16/2013 12:37 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote: On Sat, 16 Nov 2013, Bill Meahan wrote: I would /expect/ to get a valid EPUB file, or so I'm lead to believe. 1. Wait until the EPUB readers catch up. It took almost 10-15 years for the browsers to catch up with the HTML standards, and I don't have much hope for EPUB readers here. Last I checked, none of them supported even MATHML-2. 2. Write a script (either using xmlproc, or using you favorite XML parser in your favorite language) that converts the XML generated by ConTeXt into a standard XHTML file. This is the easiest and the least time consuming alternative. 3. Modify the way in which ConTeXt generates the XML files. Ideally, I should be able to write something like ~~~ \setupparagraph[tag=p, class=default] ~~~ to tell context that \startparagraph ... \stopparagraph should translate to `p class=default ... /p. Last I checked the code that generates the XML file, there was no easy way to change the tags and classes. I hope that the above description clarifies the situation. Aditya Thanks for the clarification. -- Bill Meahan, Westland, Michigan “Writing is like getting married. One should never commit oneself until one is amazed at one's luck.” —Iris Murdoch This message is digitally signed with an X.509 certificate to prove it is from me and has not been altered since it was sent. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Index entries - custom font size
Hello Everyone,
there are lot of index entries in my document and with the standard body
font size they occupy too much space. I've tried to decrease the size by the
textstyle parameter. It works, but it is applied recursively to every nested
level: secondary items are smaller twice and tertiary items three times...
\setupregister[index][command=\Word, textstyle=small]
\starttext
\index{primary}\index{primary+secondary}\index{primary+secondary+tertiary}Te
xt
\completeindex
\stoptext
How can I set the same value to all the levels?
Thanks, Jan
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Re: [NTG-context] PDF bookmarks - missing interactivity of some items
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 15:41:12 +0100 honyk j.tosov...@email.cz wrote: Dear All, when bookmarks are placed to my file, only several of them are interactive. I cannot find any rule for this behaviour nor to reproduce it on a simplified example. Indeed, I find that the interaction does not always work on some bookmarks. My impression was that, for example, a chapter title might not be interactive whereas its first section title would be interactive. However, I have not been able to produce a minimal example demonstrating the behavior (nor have I really tried very hard yet). Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] PDF bookmarks - missing interactivity of some items
On 11/16/2013 3:41 PM, honyk wrote:
Dear All,
when bookmarks are placed to my file, only several of them are interactive.
I cannot find any rule for this behaviour nor to reproduce it on a
simplified example.
\setupinteraction[state=start]
\placebookmarks[chapter]
\setupinteractionscreen[option=bookmark]
\chapter{Chapter A}
\chapter{Chapter B}
Is there any known issue related to this?
ConTeXt 2013.11.14 (Mark IV), Windows 7 64-bit.
I can provide my file for testing (off the list).
indeed .. without a minimal test i won't look into it
Hans
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