[NTG-context] URLs [Re: \hyphenatedurl and the '%' character]
Rogutės Sparnuotos (2010-06-03 00:16):
> Hello,
>
> I defined
>
> \def\url[#1]{\hyphenatedurl{#1}}
>
> for URLs, because I find
>
> \useURL[][]
> \from[]
>
> inconvenient (there are ~30 URLs in my document and all of them unique).
> But \hyphenatedurl doesn't work with '%' (and '\%' gets printed
> literally). I'll just use \useURL as a workaround, but shouldn't
> \hyphenatedurl work as well?
1. Is anyone hyphenating URLs by hand? How? Is this ok?
{\tt http://wiki.contextgarden.net/\crlf{}Article_Abstracts}
Perhaps someone has done a macro like
\urlparts{http://}{wiki.}{contextgarden}{.net}{Article_}{Abstract}?
What about active URLs (\crlf doesn't work in \goto with MkII)?
2. Regarding URL hyphenation, why is an overfull line preferred over a
slightly underfull one?
\starttext
\startframedtext[width=6.3cm]
\hyphenatedurl{http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Article_Abstracts}
\stopframedtext
\stoptext
Some observed MkII and MkIV differences follow (still don't know if anyone
is interested in these...):
3. It seems that one can't redefine \url[] and still use \useURL[][],
\from[] with MkII (but it works with MkIV).
4. \from[] is not hyphenated with MkII, but is hyphenated with MkIV
(with \setupinteraction[state=start]).
5. \from[] is typeset in typewriter font with MkII, and in roman with MkIV
(without \setupinteraction[state=start]).
Example for 4., 5.:
\useURL[x][http://minimals.contextgarden.net/pragma/linux-64/texmf-linux-64/bin/]
\starttext
\from[x]
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] hyphenation patterns
Mojca Miklavec (2010-05-24 02:16):
> Dear Claudio,
>
> Thanks a lot for your prompt reply.
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 00:39, Claudio Beccari wrote:
> > Dear Mojca,
> > no proper Italian word ends in ch (this digraph in normal Italian words is
> > pronunced as k, not as č or ć).
> > Nevertheless there are a number of surnames dating back to the old times
> > (150 years ago) when North East Italy was under Austro-Hungarian ruling,
> > when Istrian names, mainly Croatian and Slovenian, where transliterated in
> > such a way that the tipical patronimic ending -ič or -ić (I don't know the
> > exact spelling in Latin letters of the Croatian/Slovenian names) was
> > transliterated for the Empire bureaucracy with -ich.
>
> Thanks a lot for some more insight. I admit that I didn't know the
> details (I should be ashamed) and in my area they were more radical
> with surname changes (mine was Michelazzi and I think that most
> surnames here were "properly Romanized", for example Filipčič ->
> Filippi, so again no problems with hyphenation :) :) :).
>
> > This spelling remained
> > when North East Italy and Istria were annexed to the Kingdom of Italy at the
> > end of WW1. After WW2 most of Istria returned mainly to Croatia and a small
> > part to Slovenia, but the Slovenians and Croatians that had moved the NE
> > Italy and had become Italian citizens maintained their surnames with the
> > Austro-Hungarian spelling.
> >
> > When I prepared the hyphen patterns for Italian ad Latin I did think to
> > this particular spelling, but I concluded that it was not so important; I
> > was wrong, and I apologize.
>
> There's no need to apologize. First, there's an "infinite" number of
> foreign names, so that one simply cannot get all of them right. I
> guess that Lju-bl-ja-na is not properly hyphenated either (Lu-bia-na
> is ok), but in my opinion it's a valid argument that one should change
> the language when writing foreign names if they are to be hyphenated
> properly. I can also easily imagine Slovenian patterns that would
> hyphenate:
> Fis-cher, Aac-hen, Go-ethe
> when not knowing that those letters represent a single "letter"/sound
> in foreign words.
>
> Second, I have no idea, but I think it was a pure coincidence that the
> "problem" reported by Rogutės Sparnuotos is the same as that for
> surnames of a group of people on North-East (I think that the name in
> question comes from Russia with translitaration done by English). On
> the other hand if it's just a tiny pattern that solves them all ...
Thank you Mojca and Claudio for your replies.
Mojca has guessed correctly: I merely noticed that the surname Manovich is
hyphenated wrongly in the three languages I've tested. And I don't mind
using \hyphenation{} or switching language for foreign names.
I don't know how hyphenation patterns are made, so I was surprised to see
the main rule of at least Latin/Italian/Lithuanian hyphenation broken (a
syllable must contain a vowel). From your explanations it seems that
hyphenation patterns are kind of case-by-case rules, so this problem is
not suprising, since no common words end with '-ch' in these languages.
Wonder if I'll find a maintainer of the Lithuanian patterns...
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Re: [NTG-context] simple bibliography and dots after section numbering
rogu...@googlemail.com (2010-05-05 05:12): > 2. I would like to use something like this for bibliography: >http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Simple_Bibliography#Another_Approach >but adapting it seems too hard for me. Perhaps someone could help? A >very crude example: > >--- >People are writing about this \cite[ref1], (\cite[ref2] - page 25). > >\startbibliography > \bibitem[ref1] This is the first reference. > \bibitem[Daniel, 2004][ref2] This is the second reference. >\stopbibliography >--- > >should be rendered as: > >--- >People are writing about this [1], (Daniel, 2004 - page 25) > >1. This is the first reference. >2. This is the second reference. >--- > >That is, I want an environment and 2 commands: > \startbibliography > \cite [key] > \bibitem [label_replacing_\cite[key]_but_not_the_item_number] [key] A bump to my initial question to add that I am using MKIV and a question: would this be hard to implement for a total ConTeXt newcommer? What should he use? TeX / Lua? Would ConTeXt commands be enough? -- -- Rogutės Sparnuotos ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] simple bibliography and dots after section numbering
G'Day,
I'm trying out ConTeXt and have come up with 2 questions.
1. How does one add a dot after the numerals in headings, so that
"\section{First}"
becomes
"1. First"
instead of
"1 First"
?
2. I would like to use something like this for bibliography:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Simple_Bibliography#Another_Approach
but adapting it seems too hard for me. Perhaps someone could help? A
very crude example:
---
People are writing about this \cite[ref1], (\cite[ref2] - page 25).
\startbibliography
\bibitem[ref1] This is the first reference.
\bibitem[Daniel, 2004][ref2] This is the second reference.
\stopbibliography
---
should be rendered as:
---
People are writing about this [1], (Daniel, 2004 - page 25)
1. This is the first reference.
2. This is the second reference.
---
That is, I want an environment and 2 commands:
\startbibliography
\cite [key]
\bibitem [label_replacing_\cite[key]_but_not_the_item_number] [key]
Thank you very much,
-- Rogutės Sparnuotos
P.S. Is there a paragraph somewhere describing the logic under the use of
[] and {} for different commands (it seemed somehow more intuitive in
LaTeX). What would a ConTeXt developer choose, \cite[x] or \cite{x}
and why?
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