Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module
2007/11/7, Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 11/7/07, Hans Hagen wrote: Mojca Miklavec wrote: Btw: Is there any reason for not using XeTeX (or LuaTeX in the future) for Chinese? (To be honest: I have absolutely no idea whether it works and how good it works if at all, but I would expect less problems there.) i bet that duncan uses it in some workflow that has to be stable i.e. no moving targets like xetex or luatex (yet) That's certainly true for LuaTeX, but XeTeX is really not *so unstable*. I agree, font support has been (and still is a bit) broken until recently (and Leopard users report serious problems with xdvipdfmx), but the rest of problems seems approximately equally buggy/problematic to me as the rest of ConTeXt :) :) :) :) Only as a suggestion: could someone who has managed to install Chinese fonts and map files successfully, upload the needed files to http://modules.contextgarden.net/, so that it would be easier for other users to take ready-to-start-using module rather than having to read dozens of pages of how to get started? In that case, supporting Chinese on the garden could be done right away if needed (perhaps we need to enable third party modules on the garden, which is really not so difficult to do). Mojca I put two files to files to the wiki to write chinese, the contain the tfm, enc and map files to use the fonts. The first file [1] provides support for the fonts from the wiki page for chinese [3], the only thing you have to do is to unzip my file in a local TeX tree and to place the fonts files in the truetype directory. The second file [2] has support for the cwTeX fonts (cwTeX is a chinese TeX distribution), they look a little bit different and you have to download the fonts from their site [4].To use the fonts unzip my archiv from the module section in your TeX tree and put the truetype fonts in the corresponding folder. You can choose between fonts with centered punctuation or punctuation at the baseline, use only one of them because both have the same files names. After you have installed the fonts on your system refresh the database with texhash and and you try my attached example file (the text is taken from Hans mkii/iv manual). Wolfgang [1] http://modules.contextgarden.net/chinese [2] http://modules.contextgarden.net/cwTeX [3] http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Chinese [4] ftp://ftp.ctex.org/pub/tex/fonts/cwTeX/ chinese.tex Description: TeX document ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module
Hello all. I hope this is quite a simple question. I'm using the Chinese module, with the font definitions in font-chi.tex, to typeset UTF-8 content. I can happily use the default sizes a, b, c, d and x, xx, xxx - so \bfd produces large bold, and \tfx produces small normal weight text. But I really need to be able to do the equivalent of \definedfont[Bold at 48pt]. Unfortunately this doesn't work - it produces normal text size and weight. Unfortunately it isn't easy to post an example, because you need UTF-8 content, and you need the fonts set up for Chinese (which I believe ConTeXt Live doesn't currently have). So I'm hoping that someone familiar with the workings of font-chi.tex can tell me how to get specific point sizes of specific fonts. Is there a unicode font equivalent of \definedfont? Or a way of adding an e and f size definition to the default set? Any help would be really appreciated, thanks. Duncan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module
Duncan Hothersall wrote: equivalent of \definedfont? Or a way of adding an e and f size definition to the default set? \definefontsize[e] \setupfontenvironment [default] [e=4] - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module
Hans said: \definefontsize[e] \setupfontenvironment [default] [e=4] Ah, thanks. Using \setupbodyfontenvironment as the second command did the trick. I guess there is no easy way of directly calling a specific font at a specific size? No worry, this sort of solution will allow me to do what I need for now. Thanks Hans. Duncan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module
Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
2007/11/7, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Duncan Hothersall wrote:
Hans said:
\definefontsize[e]
\setupfontenvironment
[default]
[e=4]
Ah, thanks. Using \setupbodyfontenvironment as the second command did
the trick.
I guess there is no easy way of directly calling a specific font at a
specific size? No worry, this sort of solution will allow me to do what
I need for now. Thanks Hans.
chinese in mkii is kind of special, i.e. all kind of mappings to ranges
of fonts; in mkiv chines is easier (i still have to finish some spacing
issues)
How about a little appetizer from mkiv.
\definefontfeature[chinese][analyze=yes,language=dflt,mode=node,script=hani]
\starttypescript[sans][arial]
\definefontsynonym[Sans][Arial][features=chinese]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[sans][arial]
\definefontsynonym[Arial][file:ARIALUNI][features=default]
\stoptypescript
\definetypeface[arial][ss][sans][arial][default]
\setupbodyfont[arial,ss]
% alternative to the typescript solution
%\definefont[Normal][ARIALUNI*chinese at 12pt][line=16pt]
\starttext
write your chinese text here
\stoptext
There will be no longer any big difference in defining fonts for latin or
any
other language. A few things are to achive than with the current code from
the
chinese module like opening and closing braces in vertical mode.
a next mkiv release will provide dynamic features ...
\definefontfeature[chinese][analyze=yes,language=dflt,mode=node,script=hani]
\starttypescript[sans][arial]
\definefontsynonym[Sans][Arial]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[sans][arial]
\definefontsynonym[Arial][file:ARIALUNI]
\stoptypescript
\definetypeface[arial][ss][sans][arial][default]
\setupbodyfont[arial,ss]
\starttext
bla bla {\setfontfeature{chinese} MORE BLA} bla bla
{\setfontfeature{oldstyle} 1234} bla bla
\stoptext
so, just one font instance and independent feature switches; this saves
multiple definitions of fonts and is therefore faster and takes less
memory too
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module
2007/11/7, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Duncan Hothersall wrote: Hans said: \definefontsize[e] \setupfontenvironment [default] [e=4] Ah, thanks. Using \setupbodyfontenvironment as the second command did the trick. I guess there is no easy way of directly calling a specific font at a specific size? No worry, this sort of solution will allow me to do what I need for now. Thanks Hans. chinese in mkii is kind of special, i.e. all kind of mappings to ranges of fonts; in mkiv chines is easier (i still have to finish some spacing issues) How about a little appetizer from mkiv. \definefontfeature[chinese][analyze=yes,language=dflt,mode=node,script=hani] \starttypescript[sans][arial] \definefontsynonym[Sans][Arial][features=chinese] \stoptypescript \starttypescript[sans][arial] \definefontsynonym[Arial][file:ARIALUNI][features=default] \stoptypescript \definetypeface[arial][ss][sans][arial][default] \setupbodyfont[arial,ss] % alternative to the typescript solution %\definefont[Normal][ARIALUNI*chinese at 12pt][line=16pt] \starttext write your chinese text here \stoptext There will be no longer any big difference in defining fonts for latin or any other language. A few things are to achive than with the current code from the chinese module like opening and closing braces in vertical mode. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module
Btw: Is there any reason for not using XeTeX (or LuaTeX in the future) for Chinese? (To be honest: I have absolutely no idea whether it works and how good it works if at all, but I would expect less problems there.) XeTeX can use Chinese fonts since the first day :-) I remember Jonathan trying it out during TUG in Wuhan over two years ago ... By the way, yesterday there was a thread about the LaTeX zhspacing package on the XeTeX list, and I was wondering if its features were already present in ConTeXt's Chinese module; if not, it probably wouldn't be so much work to “port” it. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module
Hans (07/11/2007 16:09) said: Btw: Is there any reason for not using XeTeX (or LuaTeX in the future) for Chinese? (To be honest: I have absolutely no idea whether it works and how good it works if at all, but I would expect less problems there.) i bet that duncan uses it in some workflow that has to be stable i.e. no moving targets like xetex or luatex (yet) Hans Exactly right. :-) We have some big plans for LuaTeX across Latin, Arabic and Chinese alphabets, but for now we have to stick to the old tried and tested... Duncan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module
Arthur Reutenauer wrote: Btw: Is there any reason for not using XeTeX (or LuaTeX in the future) for Chinese? (To be honest: I have absolutely no idea whether it works and how good it works if at all, but I would expect less problems there.) XeTeX can use Chinese fonts since the first day :-) I remember Jonathan trying it out during TUG in Wuhan over two years ago ... By the way, yesterday there was a thread about the LaTeX zhspacing package on the XeTeX list, and I was wondering if its features were already present in ConTeXt's Chinese module; if not, it probably wouldn't be so much work to “port” it. there is some spacing support in the mkiv files (but not yet finished, i will pick up that cjk thread when the next beta is finished) i dunno about zaspacing (and also am not sure about supporting it) because it probably uses this 'code-between-characters' mechanism; it only makes sense to support that when i make some interface for it and it's one of those areas where xetex code is rather different from luatex code Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module
Mojca Miklavec wrote: Btw: Is there any reason for not using XeTeX (or LuaTeX in the future) for Chinese? (To be honest: I have absolutely no idea whether it works and how good it works if at all, but I would expect less problems there.) i bet that duncan uses it in some workflow that has to be stable i.e. no moving targets like xetex or luatex (yet) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module
On 11/7/07, Duncan Hothersall wrote: Hello all. I hope this is quite a simple question. But I really need to be able to do the equivalent of \definedfont[Bold at 48pt]. Unfortunately this doesn't work - it produces normal text size and weight. I have absolutely no experience and/or knowledge about Chinese and its typesetting, but perhaps something like \definedfont[SimplifiedChineseBold at 48pt] could work? Unfortunately it isn't easy to post an example, because you need UTF-8 content, and you need the fonts set up for Chinese (which I believe ConTeXt Live doesn't currently have). So I'm hoping that someone familiar with the workings of font-chi.tex can tell me how to get specific point sizes of specific fonts. Is there a unicode font equivalent of \definedfont? Or a way of adding an e and f size definition to the default set? Btw: Is there any reason for not using XeTeX (or LuaTeX in the future) for Chinese? (To be honest: I have absolutely no idea whether it works and how good it works if at all, but I would expect less problems there.) Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module
Duncan Hothersall wrote: Hans said: \definefontsize[e] \setupfontenvironment [default] [e=4] Ah, thanks. Using \setupbodyfontenvironment as the second command did the trick. I guess there is no easy way of directly calling a specific font at a specific size? No worry, this sort of solution will allow me to do what I need for now. Thanks Hans. chinese in mkii is kind of special, i.e. all kind of mappings to ranges of fonts; in mkiv chines is easier (i still have to finish some spacing issues) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Font sizes using Chinese module
On 11/7/07, Hans Hagen wrote: Mojca Miklavec wrote: Btw: Is there any reason for not using XeTeX (or LuaTeX in the future) for Chinese? (To be honest: I have absolutely no idea whether it works and how good it works if at all, but I would expect less problems there.) i bet that duncan uses it in some workflow that has to be stable i.e. no moving targets like xetex or luatex (yet) That's certainly true for LuaTeX, but XeTeX is really not *so unstable*. I agree, font support has been (and still is a bit) broken until recently (and Leopard users report serious problems with xdvipdfmx), but the rest of problems seems approximately equally buggy/problematic to me as the rest of ConTeXt :) :) :) :) Only as a suggestion: could someone who has managed to install Chinese fonts and map files successfully, upload the needed files to http://modules.contextgarden.net/, so that it would be easier for other users to take ready-to-start-using module rather than having to read dozens of pages of how to get started? In that case, supporting Chinese on the garden could be done right away if needed (perhaps we need to enable third party modules on the garden, which is really not so difficult to do). Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
