Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
Hans Hagen wrote: Joel C. Salomon wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Slight tangent: Is there any support for using any of the OpenType math fonts (I know of Cambria Math, STIX, and Asana Math—this last on tug.org) in mkiv? cambria ... probably in the near future (as tex gyre will also have math and), since stix is type 1 and spread over many fonts, it will not be supported (that is: i will not make the typescripts for pdftex, but someoneelse may see it as a challenge) So will Stix be supported in mkiv or ConTeXt+XeTeX? quite probably not You can read that as: It depends on whether the released version of the Stix fonts will be packaged in a predictable manner. It should either follow the cambria math example (otf, for mkiv) or the cm/ams example (pfb, for mkii) to make it work in context. From the beta program so far, neither seems to be likely to happen, but we will have to wait and see (some more). Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Slight tangent: Is there any support for using any of the OpenType math fonts (I know of Cambria Math, STIX, and Asana Math—this last on tug.org) in mkiv? cambria ... probably in the near future (as tex gyre will also have math and), since stix is type 1 and spread over many fonts, it will not be supported (that is: i will not make the typescripts for pdftex, but someoneelse may see it as a challenge) So will Stix be supported in mkiv or ConTeXt+XeTeX? --Joel ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
Joel C. Salomon wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Slight tangent: Is there any support for using any of the OpenType math fonts (I know of Cambria Math, STIX, and Asana Math—this last on tug.org) in mkiv? cambria ... probably in the near future (as tex gyre will also have math and), since stix is type 1 and spread over many fonts, it will not be supported (that is: i will not make the typescripts for pdftex, but someoneelse may see it as a challenge) So will Stix be supported in mkiv or ConTeXt+XeTeX? quite probably not - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
Joel C. Salomon wrote: Slight tangent: Is there any support for using any of the OpenType math fonts (I know of Cambria Math, STIX, and Asana Math—this last on tug.org) in mkiv? cambria ... probably in the near future (as tex gyre will also have math and), since stix is type 1 and spread over many fonts, it will not be supported (that is: i will not make the typescripts for pdftex, but someoneelse may see it as a challenge) H - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
Joel C. Salomon wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: luatex + context mkiv is indeed independent [of Ruby] - index sorting takes place in mkiv - job control is done with mtxrun/mtx-context Now that I've been told the idea is at least possible, I've been thinking about how to generate a micro-minimal mkiv distribution: no fonts except the LM set, no engines except luaTeX, no kpathsea, preferably no external dependencies (perl, ruby, c.). So how to best go about this? I'm downloading the current minimals (or should I use the .zips at http://www.pragma-ade.nl/download-1.htm?); what can I cut out? use the minimals from the garden .. the zips will go away (apart from the cont-* zips) one option is to write a dedicated fetch script, load the minimals for luatex use only (is an option) and then look at the files you need i wonder if it's worth the trouble because all you get extra on top of lm is tex gyre open type - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel C. Salomon wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: luatex + context mkiv is indeed independent [of Ruby] - index sorting takes place in mkiv - job control is done with mtxrun/mtx-context Now that I've been told the idea is at least possible, I've been thinking about how to generate a micro-minimal mkiv distribution: no fonts except the LM set, no engines except luaTeX, no kpathsea, preferably no external dependencies (perl, ruby, c.). So how to best go about this? I'm downloading the current minimals (or should I use the .zips at http://www.pragma-ade.nl/download-1.htm?); what can I cut out? use the minimals from the garden .. the zips will go away (apart from the cont-* zips) one option is to write a dedicated fetch script, load the minimals for luatex use only (is an option) and then look at the files you need i wonder if it's worth the trouble because all you get extra on top of lm is tex gyre open type There are many other OpenType fonts that get fetched by default as well. And maybe the whole bin/common can be left out in that case (maybe windows still needs some libraries). So there is still some space that could be saved. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 3:42 AM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one option is to write a dedicated fetch script, load the minimals for luatex use only (is an option) and then look at the files you need Any clues for how to go about this? i wonder if it's worth the trouble because all you get extra on top of lm is tex gyre open type I wasn't being dogmatic about cutting out all other fonts; just wanted to avoid the old TeX-style pfb/vfb/c. messes. LM+Gyre is fine. What I have in mind is a small package with SciTE the ultra-minimals, with a launcher like the portableapps.com programs have that will set the appropriate environment variables. Include SciTE or Notepad++ (with a stripped-down set of configuration files, perhaps; just enough for ConTeXt/lua/mp) and Sumatra PDF Portable, and you've got a complete, truly stand-alone, modern typesetting environment on a USB stick. --Joel ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many other OpenType fonts that get fetched by default as well. And maybe the whole bin/common can be left out in that case (maybe windows still needs some libraries). So there is still some space that could be saved. See my reply to Hans (about five minutes before this message); it's complexity of installation and options, not disc usage, that I'm trying to minimize. --Joel ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
See my reply to Hans (about five minutes before this message); it's complexity of installation and options, not disc usage, that I'm trying to minimize. A bit off-topic: mayb we can also think a context-live iso img. -- luigi it's new . it's powerful . it's luatex . http://www.luatex.org ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Joel C. Salomon wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 3:42 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: one option is to write a dedicated fetch script, load the minimals for luatex use only (is an option) and then look at the files you need Any clues for how to go about this? There are two options: 1.) take a look at first-setup.sh (really stupid script); you can call mtx-update with --engine=luatex and then you won't get almost any tfm/enc/map files; you still get pfb files as they are needed for math; and you get quite some helvetica/times enc/map/pfb files since px tx math fonts need them (needed for gyre) - this will go away once gyre math is ready; it could be optimized, but I consider trying to fix virtual fonts to use gyre instead of urw fonts a loss of time since it's soon going to be obsolete rather soon anyway 2.) you can write your own set of rsync calls, like: rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net'/minimals/current/fonts/new/ minimals/current/fonts/common/' texmf-fonts rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net'/minimals/current/bin/context/linux minimals/current/bin/luatex/linux/' texmf-linux i wonder if it's worth the trouble because all you get extra on top of lm is tex gyre open type I wasn't being dogmatic about cutting out all other fonts; just wanted to avoid the old TeX-style pfb/vfb/c. messes. LM+Gyre is fine. What I have in mind is a small package with SciTE the ultra-minimals, with a launcher like the portableapps.com programs have that will set the appropriate environment variables. Include SciTE or Notepad++ (with a stripped-down set of configuration files, perhaps; just enough for ConTeXt/lua/mp) and Sumatra PDF Portable, and you've got a complete, truly stand-alone, modern typesetting environment on a USB stick. If you're willing to work on it, just tell me what exactly you need (I can put different stuff on the garden). See also: http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/context-installer/src/ you can then start from there. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:32 PM, luigi scarso wrote: See my reply to Hans (about five minutes before this message); it's complexity of installation and options, not disc usage, that I'm trying to minimize. A bit off-topic: mayb we can also think a context-live iso img. I have already done it once (perl and ruby added to the CD, and formats generated), and one could be prepared at/for the conference. However, I have no idea how sensible the formats are (if you prepare a live CD with slightly different versions of pdfTeX for different platforms - probably that's not going to work?) And luatex should then put its cache into temp. What about an image to run with a virtual machine ? Mojca PS: but the main problem with CD is that you cannot update it, so it probably gets old before you even manage to burn it Are you sure ? pdftex is frozen (almost), . I have a production with a context 4 years old. Context (in some...contexts) stay pretty young. -- luigi it's new . it's powerful . it's luatex . http://www.luatex.org ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:32 PM, luigi scarso wrote: See my reply to Hans (about five minutes before this message); it's complexity of installation and options, not disc usage, that I'm trying to minimize. A bit off-topic: mayb we can also think a context-live iso img. I have already done it once (perl and ruby added to the CD, and formats generated), and one could be prepared at/for the conference. However, I have no idea how sensible the formats are (if you prepare a live CD with slightly different versions of pdfTeX for different platforms - probably that's not going to work?) And luatex should then put its cache into temp. Mojca PS: but the main problem with CD is that you cannot update it, so it probably gets old before you even manage to burn it ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
2008/4/11, luigi scarso [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What about an image to run with a virtual machine ? Much better. Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any clues for how to go about this? There are two options: 1.) take a look at first-setup.sh (really stupid script); you can call mtx-update with --engine=luatex As opposed to --engine=all? Sounds good so far. But... you still get pfb files as they are needed for math; and you get quite some helvetica/times enc/map/pfb files since px tx math fonts need them (needed for gyre) - this will go away once gyre math is ready; I suppose that a legacy-free TeX will have to wait a bit... Slight tangent: Is there any support for using any of the OpenType math fonts (I know of Cambria Math, STIX, and Asana Math—this last on tug.org) in mkiv? 2.) you can write your own set of rsync calls, like: snip See also: http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/context-installer/src/ you can then start from there. Looking into it. What I have in mind is a small package with … a complete, truly stand-alone, modern typesetting environment on a USB stick. If you're willing to work on it, just tell me what exactly you need (I can put different stuff on the garden). Can't promise a lot of time, but it's something I need so I'll work on it. --Joel ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: luatex + context mkiv is indeed independent [of Ruby] - index sorting takes place in mkiv - job control is done with mtxrun/mtx-context Now that I've been told the idea is at least possible, I've been thinking about how to generate a micro-minimal mkiv distribution: no fonts except the LM set, no engines except luaTeX, no kpathsea, preferably no external dependencies (perl, ruby, c.). So how to best go about this? I'm downloading the current minimals (or should I use the .zips at http://www.pragma-ade.nl/download-1.htm?); what can I cut out? --Joel ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
