Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Cecil Westerhof wrote: > Properly that anybody that knows how to write a document in Microsoft Office > can change the document. So standard software, with a low learning curve. I > had some problems getting them to accept to use Adobe. And now that turns > out to be not a real option. Learning all the time as Benny Hill said. OpenOffice/ LibreOffice can import pdf files, and the user can edit. I think you can setup fonts, at least, and the structure is not preserved; also I'm not sure if all the features of pdf are supported , but maybe you can give it a try. > No the problem is not the layout. They are satisfied with that. They just do > not want to be dependent on our company. They are. They can install the software and use it to modify the source and rebuild the pdf Or they can pay another company to do so, or some independent designer. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
2011/7/15 Andreas Schneider > At Friday, 15.07.2011 on 10:17 Cecil Westerhof wrote: > > Properly that anybody that knows how to write a document in Microsoft > Office > > can change the document. So standard software, with a low learning curve. > I > > had some problems getting them to accept to use Adobe. And now that turns > > out to be not a real option. Learning all the time as Benny Hill said. > > That's absolutely not true. MS Office Word has a pretty steep learning > curve, people just neglect that and take it for a slightly more complex > notepad. It's not, as can be seen be the loads of completely unprofessional > done documents ... not consistent styles, no auto generated index, no cross > references, no proper bibliography (where it applies), etc. (Hell, I even > saw documents where footnotes where done [superscript] and numbered > manually.) > That's exactly the problem with Word, Writer, etc., that people think it's > an easy to use tool, just because it's WYSIWYG. If you don't know what you > are doing, you WILL do it wrong, even (or especially) with such an "easy" > tool as Word or Writer. > I agree. But that is accepted practice. I find that most times it is more important to generate something fast and then have to use a lot of time to get things changed or right, then to setup things correctly (which takes time) and in the future can change things faster, more efficient en more consistent. In a way I am even afraid that the better pleasing document I generated could be pearls to the swines. > Also with TeXworks it's already pretty WYSIWYG, imho. Change the code, hit > "run", and see the result :) > Something to look into then. > > No the problem is not the layout. They are satisfied with that. They just > do > > not want to be dependent on our company. > > They don't have to. Give them ConTeXt, give them TeXworks, give them the > source to the documents. Then they can do whatever they want. > I'll give it a try. -- Cecil Westerhof ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On 15-7-2011 10:35, Cecil Westerhof wrote:
! LuaTeX error ...TeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/back-exp.lua:328:
bad argument #2 to 'write' (string expected, got nil).
looks like you don't run the latest version
also, when using the export, make sure all your sectioning uses
\start/\stop as in
\startchapter[title={...}]
\stopchapter
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Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
At Friday, 15.07.2011 on 10:17 Cecil Westerhof wrote: > Properly that anybody that knows how to write a document in Microsoft Office > can change the document. So standard software, with a low learning curve. I > had some problems getting them to accept to use Adobe. And now that turns > out to be not a real option. Learning all the time as Benny Hill said. That's absolutely not true. MS Office Word has a pretty steep learning curve, people just neglect that and take it for a slightly more complex notepad. It's not, as can be seen be the loads of completely unprofessional done documents ... not consistent styles, no auto generated index, no cross references, no proper bibliography (where it applies), etc. (Hell, I even saw documents where footnotes where done [superscript] and numbered manually.) That's exactly the problem with Word, Writer, etc., that people think it's an easy to use tool, just because it's WYSIWYG. If you don't know what you are doing, you WILL do it wrong, even (or especially) with such an "easy" tool as Word or Writer. In contrast a tool like ConTeXt forces you to learn and therefore makes it a lot harder to f*ck up a document. I also did our technical documentation in ConTeXt, after porting it over from Word. My colleagues didn't know *TeX and still manage to change and enhance the document as needed. I provided the necessary platform (project structure, lua scripts etc.) so the document itself is only a frontend using easy-to-comprehend commands. I also built an installer that installs a specific ConTeXt Minimals version, the necessary modules, and a preconfigured TeXworks, so they don't even have to setup that or play around with proxy settings for firstsetup.bat. Also with TeXworks it's already pretty WYSIWYG, imho. Change the code, hit "run", and see the result :) > No the problem is not the layout. They are satisfied with that. They just do > not want to be dependent on our company. They don't have to. Give them ConTeXt, give them TeXworks, give them the source to the documents. Then they can do whatever they want. > That is what I mend that in hindsight I should not have used ConTeXt. ;-} Maybe, but if the customer/client didn't specify in advance, that they want it done in Word, how could you know? If you used Indesign or something else they would be f*cked too - because these tools are simply not meant to be used without learning first. (Although, as said earlier, Word and similar tools aren't meant to be used without learning too ... many people just think it is.) Best Regards, Andreas. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
2011/7/15 Taco Hoekwater
>MkIV can create XML. :-)
>>
>>
>> That is something I have heard much more than I have seen.
>>
>> If it can so easily do so, could a wizard please intervene and provide a
>> recipe for producing XHTML from standard Context input?[^1]
>>
>
> \setupbackend[export=yes,**xhtml=yes,css=yes]
>
> But it still has a few issues, so any problem reports are more than
> welcome.
I tried that, but it ends with:
pages > flushing realpage 109, userpage 109
system > end file documentatie at line 2618
){/home/cecil/ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/enc/dvips/lm/lm-mathsy.enc}
backend > export > finalizing
! LuaTeX error ...TeXt/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/back-exp.lua:328:
bad argument #2 to 'write' (string expected, got nil).
system > tex > error on line 0 in file : LuaTeX error ...
<*> ./documentatie
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Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
2011/7/15 John Haltiwanger > Cecil, I don't think its fair to constrain yourself from ever using Context > again. That was not what I mend. When making my own stuff where I do not have the need off interoperability I will keep using it. But in other case I should evaluate the situation correctly. Between a rock an a hard place is not a nice position. ;-} > What does 'competely independent' mean? > Properly that anybody that knows how to write a document in Microsoft Office can change the document. So standard software, with a low learning curve. I had some problems getting them to accept to use Adobe. And now that turns out to be not a real option. Learning all the time as Benny Hill said. > If you have been asked to hand over layout decisions, the best is to > reproduce your document in XHTML, copy it into a word processor, and let > them proceed with their own desing in their proprietary WYSIWYG software. > No the problem is not the layout. They are satisfied with that. They just do not want to be dependent on our company. > Even if they just want to make textual changes, this is probably still be > your best bet. You can then relatively easily convert them back to Context > (a matter of re-mapping text into Context). > That sounds like a good plan. Converting back is properly not necessary. But it would not hurt if it is possible. > There is a plan I have to produce an easier-for-point-and-clickers > interface to collaborate on high quality Context based layouts, but the time > hasn't appeared to materialize it yet. > Sounds good. If I could be of help … > If you search through the archives for 'pandoc' you will see that many of > us have chosen to abstract ourselves from direct dependence on Context for > our document 'coding'. There is a tangible flexibility provided by writing > in a visually semantic preformat like Markdown. It helps during the editing > stages because it is easy to generate other formats that people are more > familiar with (OpenOffice can be converted to Word---then it is a matter of > 'backporting' changes to the Context source). > I'll do that. > If they weren't clear about planning to take on this design > responsibility--which they should have long before the deadline--than I feel > it is the fault of the editors and not the fault of Context. Under such > conditions I would have written text for these people in something they > understand, like an word processor document (LibreOffice can save as MS Word > easily enough). > That is what I mend that in hindsight I should not have used ConTeXt. ;-} > Sorry to hear you are having trouble with this. I know what it is like to > face the edge of a deadline. > I'll survive, I always did. :-D I have to thank this list for the help and support. -- Cecil Westerhof ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On 07/15/2011 02:15 AM, John Haltiwanger wrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Martin Schröder mailto:mar...@oneiros.de>> wrote: 2011/7/14 John Haltiwanger mailto:john.haltiwan...@gmail.com>>: > Pandoc, so I'm not familiar with Context's xhtml capacities. MkIV can create XML. :-) That is something I have heard much more than I have seen. If it can so easily do so, could a wizard please intervene and provide a recipe for producing XHTML from standard Context input?[^1] \setupbackend[export=yes,xhtml=yes,css=yes] But it still has a few issues, so any problem reports are more than welcome. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Martin Schröder wrote: > 2011/7/14 John Haltiwanger : > > Pandoc, so I'm not familiar with Context's xhtml capacities. > > MkIV can create XML. :-) > That is something I have heard much more than I have seen. If it can so easily do so, could a wizard please intervene and provide a recipe for producing XHTML from standard Context input?[^1] I have no doubt it can, but documentation of this relative necessity in this age of multi-output publishing is suboptimal.[^2] I swear that this information will go down throughout the ages as a conduit for better typography (and the wiki page dedicated to this process will become a keystone of expanded possibility in the future). Cecil, I don't think its fair to constrain yourself from ever using Context again. What does 'competely independent' mean? If you have been asked to hand over layout decisions, the best is to reproduce your document in XHTML, copy it into a word processor, and let them proceed with their own desing in their proprietary WYSIWYG software. Even if they just want to make textual changes, this is probably still be your best bet. You can then relatively easily convert them back to Context (a matter of re-mapping text into Context). There is a plan I have to produce an easier-for-point-and-clickers interface to collaborate on high quality Context based layouts, but the time hasn't appeared to materialize it yet. If you search through the archives for 'pandoc' you will see that many of us have chosen to abstract ourselves from direct dependence on Context for our document 'coding'. There is a tangible flexibility provided by writing in a visually semantic preformat like Markdown. It helps during the editing stages because it is easy to generate other formats that people are more familiar with (OpenOffice can be converted to Word---then it is a matter of 'backporting' changes to the Context source). If they weren't clear about planning to take on this design responsibility--which they should have long before the deadline--than I feel it is the fault of the editors and not the fault of Context. Under such conditions I would have written text for these people in something they understand, like an word processor document (LibreOffice can save as MS Word easily enough). Sorry to hear you are having trouble with this. I know what it is like to face the edge of a deadline. PS. For what it is worth, I do not think it would be _too_ hard to create a Context to Markdown translator.[^3] Since the backend supports XML, it should be able to map to a different semantic markup without much trouble.. right? [^1]: No CSS necessary, just classes and/or ids mapped to environment names. Apologies to anyone who has answered this question before: just point me towards where the answer is and I will make sure it finds its way to a prominent place on the wiki. [^2]: I understand that there is a description at the wiki, but it is many years old, maybe older than LuaTeX (the history says it is from 2007). Something fresher is in order I think. > > Best >Martin > > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___ > ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
2011/7/14 John Haltiwanger : > Pandoc, so I'm not familiar with Context's xhtml capacities. MkIV can create XML. :-) Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
2011/7/14 Mojca Miklavec > > I typesetted my document yes. The client has to receive a deliverable > this > > weekend, so my stress hormones will be high the coming days. I have to > count > > my options and select the best. (Or least bad.) > > If there are tiny corrections to do they can just as well edit the > sources themselves (or send you corrections). > That was as how I expected it to going to work. But (now) they want to be completely independent. 'Everybody' should have the possibility to edit the document. In hindsight it was properly the wrong decision to work with ConTeXt. The quality of the document is high, but because of the shift in requirements there is now a problem. Well, I like a challenge. Now I got one. :-) Maybe I should dedicate a page to this problem. I am taken by surprise, but if I can circumvent others to have the same surprise ... -- Cecil Westerhof ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
2011/7/14 Peter Münster > > The problem is that my document already is finished. First I could just > > deliver a PDF file. Now they want to edit it themselves. > > They could install context on their computer... > They could, but they will not. Some facts of life are not easily changed. To be honest I do not think it is a real solution. If I see how much work it was for me to get things done and taking into account that I am a command-line 'freak', you can not expect point and click people to do it. -- Cecil Westerhof ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 19:17, Cecil Westerhof wrote: > > I typesetted my document yes. The client has to receive a deliverable this > weekend, so my stress hormones will be high the coming days. I have to count > my options and select the best. (Or least bad.) If there are tiny corrections to do they can just as well edit the sources themselves (or send you corrections). Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On Thu, Jul 14 2011, Cecil Westerhof wrote: > The problem is that my document already is finished. First I could just > deliver a PDF file. Now they want to edit it themselves. They could install context on their computer... -- Peter ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
2011/7/14 John Haltiwanger > This would be a funciton of typesetting. The table of contents is indexed > to the document as it is typeset, not dynamically throughout its existence. > If you were to delete all the pages except for the table of contents, it > would still refer to all the same pages. > > If this is a necessary part of your workflow, then it sounds like a WYSIWYG > tool like Scribus or InDesign is more appropriate (unfortunately). > >> >> The problem is that my document already is finished. First I could just >> deliver a PDF file. Now they want to edit it themselves. Or can I generate >> from my tex file something that has the meta information and can be edited >> in Scribus? >> >> > Nope. As Mojca mentioned, PDF does not account for this kind of thing. I > mentioned those tools as a basis for constructing an entire document from > scratch. They have automatic page referencing similar to Context, but not in > a post-hoc fashion. > > If they are only copy editing, I think you would be best served by > exporting to xhtml. I generally write all my documents in Markdown and > convert using Pandoc, so I'm not familiar with Context's xhtml capacities. > > If they are doing layout.. Ouch. > I typesetted my document yes. The client has to receive a deliverable this weekend, so my stress hormones will be high the coming days. I have to count my options and select the best. (Or least bad.) Everyone thanks. And next time I want more information when starting writing documentation. -- Cecil Westerhof ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
2011/7/14 John Haltiwanger > I installed them. (When you know what to do, it is not hard.) Now I can > change the document. The only problem is that when deleting a page, or > adding a page, etc., the index and the page numbering does not change. But > that could be that I do not understand Adobe. Five minutes is hardly enough > to learn to work with it. > >> >> > This would be a funciton of typesetting. The table of contents is indexed > to the document as it is typeset, not dynamically throughout its existence. > If you were to delete all the pages except for the table of contents, it > would still refer to all the same pages. > > If this is a necessary part of your workflow, then it sounds like a WYSIWYG > tool like Scribus or InDesign is more appropriate (unfortunately). > The problem is that my document already is finished. First I could just deliver a PDF file. Now they want to edit it themselves. Or can I generate from my tex file something that has the meta information and can be edited in Scribus? -- Cecil Westerhof ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Cecil Westerhof wrote: > 2011/7/14 John Haltiwanger > >> I installed them. (When you know what to do, it is not hard.) Now I can >> change the document. The only problem is that when deleting a page, or >> adding a page, etc., the index and the page numbering does not change. But >> that could be that I do not understand Adobe. Five minutes is hardly enough >> to learn to work with it. >> >>> >>> >> This would be a funciton of typesetting. The table of contents is indexed >> to the document as it is typeset, not dynamically throughout its existence. >> If you were to delete all the pages except for the table of contents, it >> would still refer to all the same pages. >> >> If this is a necessary part of your workflow, then it sounds like a >> WYSIWYG tool like Scribus or InDesign is more appropriate (unfortunately). >> > > The problem is that my document already is finished. First I could just > deliver a PDF file. Now they want to edit it themselves. Or can I generate > from my tex file something that has the meta information and can be edited > in Scribus? > > Nope. As Mojca mentioned, PDF does not account for this kind of thing. I mentioned those tools as a basis for constructing an entire document from scratch. They have automatic page referencing similar to Context, but not in a post-hoc fashion. If they are only copy editing, I think you would be best served by exporting to xhtml. I generally write all my documents in Markdown and convert using Pandoc, so I'm not familiar with Context's xhtml capacities. If they are doing layout.. Ouch. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
2011/7/14 Mojca Miklavec
> From Adobe's point of view the page number is just a string that has
> nothing to do with the page number itself. And so is the index. Adobe
> has no information at all that the thing on the first page is an index
> and thus won't update it.
>
Then I have a problem. :-{
> You also cannot expect from Adobe to support editing equations.
>
I agree.
> You would need to convince your clients to use something similar to
> LyX (and convince TeX developers to write a better LyX) in order to do
> that.
>
That is not going to work I am afraid. Besides that uses TeX/LaTeX and my
document is ConTeXt.
Is there a possibility to export to a format that is editable? HTML is
possible of-course, but is there a better possibility?
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Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Cecil Westerhof wrote: > 2011/7/14 Cecil Westerhof > >> Found them. The names are all lowercase. I have: >> >> ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-regular.otf >> >> ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-italic.otf >> ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bold.otf >> ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-italic.otf >> >> ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-regular.otf >> >> ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bolditalic.otf >> ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bold.otf >> >> ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bolditalic.otf >> >> ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-regular.otf >> >> ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-italic.otf >> ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bold.otf >> ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-italic.otf >> >> ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-regular.otf >> >> ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bolditalic.otf >> ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bold.otf >> >> ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bolditalic.otf >> >> I can install them without problems? There is no restricting copyright on >> them? >> > > I installed them. (When you know what to do, it is not hard.) Now I can > change the document. The only problem is that when deleting a page, or > adding a page, etc., the index and the page numbering does not change. But > that could be that I do not understand Adobe. Five minutes is hardly enough > to learn to work with it. > > This would be a funciton of typesetting. The table of contents is indexed to the document as it is typeset, not dynamically throughout its existence. If you were to delete all the pages except for the table of contents, it would still refer to all the same pages. If this is a necessary part of your workflow, then it sounds like a WYSIWYG tool like Scribus or InDesign is more appropriate (unfortunately). > -- > Cecil Westerhof > > > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___ > ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 18:01, Cecil Westerhof wrote: > > The only problem is that when deleting a page, or > adding a page, etc., the index and the page numbering does not change. But > that could be that I do not understand Adobe. Five minutes is hardly enough > to learn to work with it. From Adobe's point of view the page number is just a string that has nothing to do with the page number itself. And so is the index. Adobe has no information at all that the thing on the first page is an index and thus won't update it. You also cannot expect from Adobe to support editing equations. You would need to convince your clients to use something similar to LyX (and convince TeX developers to write a better LyX) in order to do that. You can do tiny edits, but not much more than that. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
2011/7/14 Cecil Westerhof > Found them. The names are all lowercase. I have: > ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-regular.otf > > ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-italic.otf > ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bold.otf > ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-italic.otf > > ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-regular.otf > > ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bolditalic.otf > ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bold.otf > > ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bolditalic.otf > ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-regular.otf > > ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-italic.otf > ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bold.otf > ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-italic.otf > > ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-regular.otf > > ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bolditalic.otf > ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bold.otf > > ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bolditalic.otf > > I can install them without problems? There is no restricting copyright on > them? > I installed them. (When you know what to do, it is not hard.) Now I can change the document. The only problem is that when deleting a page, or adding a page, etc., the index and the page numbering does not change. But that could be that I do not understand Adobe. Five minutes is hardly enough to learn to work with it. -- Cecil Westerhof ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
2011/7/14 Cecil Westerhof : > I can install them without problems? There is no restricting copyright on > them? Yes. No. Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
2011/7/14 Cecil Westerhof > 2011/7/14 Hans Hagen > >> you can look at the list of reported fonts, and put those in the >> windows/fonts (forget about type1, just stick to the ttf/otf) >> > > I executed > find . -name '*Gyre*' > > But that does not find anything. > Found them. The names are all lowercase. I have: ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-regular.otf ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-italic.otf ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bold.otf ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-italic.otf ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-regular.otf ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bolditalic.otf ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bold.otf ./context/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bolditalic.otf ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-regular.otf ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-italic.otf ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bold.otf ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-italic.otf ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-regular.otf ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheroscn-bolditalic.otf ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bold.otf ./ConTeXt/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/tex-gyre/texgyreheros-bolditalic.otf I can install them without problems? There is no restricting copyright on them? -- Cecil Westerhof ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 05:09:36PM +0200, Cecil Westerhof wrote: > I work with ConTeXt under Linux and Adobe runs under Windows. > > What do I need to do to get things working. You need to make sure fonts used by ConTeXt are available to Adobe thing, either by 1) installing fonts used by ConTeXt on the Wondows machine, or 2) installing fonts that are installed on the Windows machine for use with ConTeXt. "1" is much easier, from the screenshot you are using TeX Gyre Heors: mtxrun --find-file texgyreheros-regular.otf should tell you where is the font on your ConTeXt installation (well, I knew the filename already, but `mtxrun --script fonts` should help for locating fonts in more general way though I never had success with it). You have to copy the whole family (i.e. italic, bold and bolditalic too) to the Windows machine, and it should make the Adobe thing happy. Regards, Khaled -- Khaled Hosny Egyptian Arab ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Cecil Westerhof wrote: > 2011/7/14 luigi scarso >> >> >> > Is this a problem because of the old Adobe version, or the used >> >> > fonts? >> >> > If >> >> > the latter, which fonts should I use to circumvent this problem? >> >> > >> >> > At the moment I am using: >> >> > \usetypescript[helvetica] >> >> > \setupbodyfont[helvetica] >> >> > because they did not like the default font. >> >> It's simple: the host where the adobe pro is run has not the fonts. >> >> So the host must install these fonts --- they have a permissive >> >> license and they come with the minimals too. >> >> This will be true whatever version of Acrobat Pro you will use, even >> >> X. >> > >> > I did not think it had to do with 8, but it is never wrong to ask. >> > >> > Maybe a dump question, but how do I install the fonts? Or how do I >> > determine >> > a font that is installed with ConTeXt and Adobe? They have about 700 >> > fonts. >> > So maybe there is an usable font that both systems have. >> The font with the minimals are inside the minimals and they can be >> query with mtxrun. >> They are independent and separated from the system. >> The same for texlive. > > I just ran: > mtxrun --script fonts --list --info --pattern="*" mtxrun --script fonts --list --file *otf mtxrun --script fonts --list --file *ttf mtxrun --script fonts --list --file *pfb mtxrun --script fonts --list --file *afm mtxrun --script fonts --list --file "*.*" mtxrun --script fonts --list --file "*" > I work with ConTeXt under Linux and Adobe runs under Windows. > What do I need to do to get things working. Then install the fonts of your document (LMMath and TexGyre ) under windows. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
2011/7/14 Hans Hagen > you can look at the list of reported fonts, and put those in the > windows/fonts (forget about type1, just stick to the ttf/otf) > I executed find . -name '*Gyre*' But that does not find anything. or instead you can use fonts that come with the operating system when making > the pdf > I am building on Linux and the editing has to be done on Windows. So I am afraid that it is not going to work. (But I like to be proven wrong.) I removed all setting of fonts, so I think the OS font was used. But the same problem in Adobe. (LMRoman) -- Cecil Westerhof ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
2011/7/14 luigi scarso > >> > Is this a problem because of the old Adobe version, or the used fonts? > >> > If > >> > the latter, which fonts should I use to circumvent this problem? > >> > > >> > At the moment I am using: > >> > \usetypescript[helvetica] > >> > \setupbodyfont[helvetica] > >> > because they did not like the default font. > >> It's simple: the host where the adobe pro is run has not the fonts. > >> So the host must install these fonts --- they have a permissive > >> license and they come with the minimals too. > >> This will be true whatever version of Acrobat Pro you will use, even X. > > > > I did not think it had to do with 8, but it is never wrong to ask. > > > > Maybe a dump question, but how do I install the fonts? Or how do I > determine > > a font that is installed with ConTeXt and Adobe? They have about 700 > fonts. > > So maybe there is an usable font that both systems have. > The font with the minimals are inside the minimals and they can be > query with mtxrun. > They are independent and separated from the system. > The same for texlive. > I just ran: mtxrun --script fonts --list --info --pattern="*" but only get: mtx-fonts | mtx-fonts | mapping : texmfhome mtx-fonts | fontname: texmfhome mtx-fonts | fullname: texmfhome mtx-fonts | filename: texmfhome.otf mtx-fonts | family : texmfhome mtx-fonts | weight : medium mtx-fonts | style : normal mtx-fonts | width : normal mtx-fonts | variant : normal mtx-fonts | subfont : mtx-fonts | fweight : mtx-fonts | I also ran: mtxrun --script fonts --reload But that does not change the output from: mtxrun --script fonts --list --info --pattern="*" Windows and MacOS have they way to install/query system fonts. > Usually one install a font from context into the system fonts as an > ordinary font, at least under Windows. > I work with ConTeXt under Linux and Adobe runs under Windows. What do I need to do to get things working. -- Cecil Westerhof ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On 14-7-2011 4:29, Cecil Westerhof wrote: Thanks for the speedy reply. 2011/7/14 luigi scarso Is this a problem because of the old Adobe version, or the used fonts? If the latter, which fonts should I use to circumvent this problem? At the moment I am using: \usetypescript[helvetica] \setupbodyfont[helvetica] because they did not like the default font. It's simple: the host where the adobe pro is run has not the fonts. So the host must install these fonts --- they have a permissive license and they come with the minimals too. This will be true whatever version of Acrobat Pro you will use, even X. I did not think it had to do with 8, but it is never wrong to ask. Maybe a dump question, but how do I install the fonts? Or how do I determine a font that is installed with ConTeXt and Adobe? They have about 700 fonts. So maybe there is an usable font that both systems have. you can look at the list of reported fonts, and put those in the windows/fonts (forget about type1, just stick to the ttf/otf) or instead you can use fonts that come with the operating system when making the pdf Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Cecil Westerhof wrote: > Thanks for the speedy reply. > > 2011/7/14 luigi scarso >> >> > Is this a problem because of the old Adobe version, or the used fonts? >> > If >> > the latter, which fonts should I use to circumvent this problem? >> > >> > At the moment I am using: >> > \usetypescript[helvetica] >> > \setupbodyfont[helvetica] >> > because they did not like the default font. >> It's simple: the host where the adobe pro is run has not the fonts. >> So the host must install these fonts --- they have a permissive >> license and they come with the minimals too. >> This will be true whatever version of Acrobat Pro you will use, even X. > > I did not think it had to do with 8, but it is never wrong to ask. > > Maybe a dump question, but how do I install the fonts? Or how do I determine > a font that is installed with ConTeXt and Adobe? They have about 700 fonts. > So maybe there is an usable font that both systems have. The font with the minimals are inside the minimals and they can be query with mtxrun. They are independent and separated from the system. The same for texlive. Windows and MacOS have they way to install/query system fonts. Usually one install a font from context into the system fonts as an ordinary font, at least under Windows. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
Thanks for the speedy reply. 2011/7/14 luigi scarso > > Is this a problem because of the old Adobe version, or the used fonts? If > > the latter, which fonts should I use to circumvent this problem? > > > > At the moment I am using: > > \usetypescript[helvetica] > > \setupbodyfont[helvetica] > > because they did not like the default font. > It's simple: the host where the adobe pro is run has not the fonts. > So the host must install these fonts --- they have a permissive > license and they come with the minimals too. > This will be true whatever version of Acrobat Pro you will use, even X. > I did not think it had to do with 8, but it is never wrong to ask. Maybe a dump question, but how do I install the fonts? Or how do I determine a font that is installed with ConTeXt and Adobe? They have about 700 fonts. So maybe there is an usable font that both systems have. -- Cecil Westerhof ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Cecil Westerhof wrote: > Two days ago I already posted about this. But because of a glitch at my > side, it became a conversation between me and Hans Hagen. > > I have almost finished writing documentation with ConTeXt. Now the client > also needs to have the possibility to change the document. We are so far > that the client will work with Adobe Acrobat. Now I have to prove that they > can edit it. My boss has a 'recent' version 8 (latest is X). It does not > look very promising to edit a document, but that is at this moment not the > biggest problem. > > When I try to change text, I get: > All or part of the selection has no available system font. You cannot > add or delete text using the currently selected font. > > I have added a screenshot of the font properties. > > Is this a problem because of the old Adobe version, or the used fonts? If > the latter, which fonts should I use to circumvent this problem? > > At the moment I am using: > \usetypescript[helvetica] > \setupbodyfont[helvetica] > because they did not like the default font. It's simple: the host where the adobe pro is run has not the fonts. So the host must install these fonts --- they have a permissive license and they come with the minimals too. This will be true whatever version of Acrobat Pro you will use, even X. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional
Two days ago I already posted about this. But because of a glitch at my side, it became a conversation between me and Hans Hagen. I have almost finished writing documentation with ConTeXt. Now the client also needs to have the possibility to change the document. We are so far that the client will work with Adobe Acrobat. Now I have to prove that they can edit it. My boss has a 'recent' version 8 (latest is X). It does not look very promising to edit a document, but that is at this moment not the biggest problem. When I try to change text, I get: All or part of the selection has no available system font. You cannot add or delete text using the currently selected font. I have added a screenshot of the font properties. Is this a problem because of the old Adobe version, or the used fonts? If the latter, which fonts should I use to circumvent this problem? At the moment I am using: \usetypescript[helvetica] \setupbodyfont[helvetica] because they did not like the default font. -- Cecil Westerhof <>___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
