Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 21:19, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
> On Sunday 19 July 2009 20:58:19 Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>
>> The alpha has now been merged with the beta and  so, ...
>>
>> just run first-setup.sh again.
>>
>> Aditya
>
> Thanks.
> I can do that!
>
> -> ConTeXt  ver: 2009.06.14 21:01 MKIV  fmt: 2009.7.19  int: english/english
> -> this is luatex, version beta-0.42.0-2009071807

I'm sorry, I forgot to uncomment a line, so there's actually a newer
version. By the time when you replied this has been fixed, but you
have probably synced earlier.

> However, I was expecting
>
> \usetypescript[postscript]
> \starttext
> default: $A = \pi r^2$
> \switchtobodyfont[postscript]
> postscript: $A = \pi r^2$
> \stoptext
>
> at least to be fixed. Not yet...

But it's not fixed in 2009.07.17 either, so updating won't help too much.

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Sunday 19 July 2009 20:58:19 Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>
> The alpha has now been merged with the beta and  so, ...
>
> just run first-setup.sh again.
>
> Aditya

Thanks.
I can do that!

-> ConTeXt  ver: 2009.06.14 21:01 MKIV  fmt: 2009.7.19  int: english/english
-> this is luatex, version beta-0.42.0-2009071807

OK

However, I was expecting

\usetypescript[postscript]
\starttext
default: $A = \pi r^2$
\switchtobodyfont[postscript]
postscript: $A = \pi r^2$
\stoptext

at least to be fixed. Not yet...

I'll continue other tests (and keep reading the mailing list).

Alan

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 20:58, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
>
>> Would someone please provide a basic recipe to correctly install the new
>> alpha
>> release locally.  I would like to test the new alpha code but am a bit
>> confused as to what exactly to install and how.
>
> The alpha has now been merged with the beta and  so, ...

True. Now you can either use beta or current and it should give you
the latest functionality for both ConTeXt and LuaTeX (2009.07.17,
0.42.0).

Alpha has disappeared in the meantime.

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, Alan BRASLAU wrote:


Would someone please provide a basic recipe to correctly install the new alpha
release locally.  I would like to test the new alpha code but am a bit
confused as to what exactly to install and how.


The alpha has now been merged with the beta and  so, ...


I currently work with the contextgarden minimals.
Under the minimals, these are located at
tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/texlua
tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/texluac
on my machine.



just run first-setup.sh again.

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Alan BRASLAU]

Hi experts,

Would someone please provide a basic recipe to correctly install the new alpha 
release locally.  I would like to test the new alpha code but am a bit 
confused as to what exactly to install and how.


1. "on the website", is this indeed
http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/current/cont-tmf.zip
as
http://www.pragma-ade.com/download-3.htm
currently lists as (not available)?

Should this be unzipped under /usr/local/context.alpha/tex/texmf-context
for example?


2. "no beta as mkiv needs the trunk version of luatex"
Does this mean
http://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/download/frsrelease/350/1332/luatex-
snapshot-0.42.0.tar.bz2
to be compiled and then somehow installed into the local tree.

>From luatex-snapshot-0.42.0/INSTALL

> Post-compilation installation should be a simple matter
> of copying the executable to a normal place for web2c
> binaries and generating the desired formats.
> 
> You may want to install the executable under the names
> 'texlua' and 'texluac' as well (create a copy or symlink)

I currently work with the contextgarden minimals.
Under the minimals, these are located at
tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/texlua
tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/texluac
on my machine.


Sorry for such basic questions.

Thanks

Alan




On Tuesday 14 July 2009 19:39:09 Hans Hagen wrote:
> Hi
>
> I've put an alpha release on the website
>
> - no beta as mkiv needs the trunk version of luatex
> - a close to complete split in mkii/mkiv
> - cleaned up mkiv code
> - cleaned up mkiv backend (some pending issues)
> - some speedups in mkiv
> - a few fixes in mkii
> - updated mkiv typescripts (more to come)
> - fixes in mkiv structure
>
> this version is not replicated on the context garden as we run older
> luatex binaries there (0.45 release by the end of this month)
>
> you can unzip this file on your locla tree but best first rename the
> tex/context/base directory and make a fresh one as otherwise you end up
> with a weird mixture (due to the definitive split in .mkii/.mkiv there
> are not that many shared .tex files any more)
>
> on the upcoming tex live there will be an updated mkii (either this one
> or the current beta which is basically a current for mkii) and an old
> mkiv (maybe the beta) or a new one but that one will not run then with
> the luatex on texlive as it is too old; this is no big deal as you can
> either use the minimals or use the new updater in the upcoming tex live
> to fetch newer binaries (norbert and mojca showed that trickery at
> bachotek 2009)
>
> next on the mkiv agenda is an upgrade/rework of everything related to
> page building but it might as well be postponed till we have a bit more
> access (which will happen sometime after eurotex); the first priority is
> to get the new structure related code right but as idris is already
> publising books made by mkiv it's not that bad as it sounds.
>
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 17.07.2009 um 00:34 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:


Am 14.07.2009 um 19:39 schrieb Hans Hagen:


I've put an alpha release on the website


layers are broken in mkiv (did not appear in the output, overlays  
did work)


forget about this, i saw this was fixed with the last alpha

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 14.07.2009 um 19:39 schrieb Hans Hagen:


Hi

I've put an alpha release on the website


layers are broken in mkiv (did not appear in the output, overlays did  
work)


\definelayer[test][width=\paperwidth,heigth=\paperheight]

\setupbackgrounds[page][background=test]

\setlayer[test][x=4cm,y=6cm]{text in a layer}

\starttext

text

\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Hans Hagen]

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:


Am 15.07.2009 um 15:57 schrieb Hans Hagen:


Peter Rolf wrote:

Hans Hagen schrieb:


i'll make a new alpha later today

i'll take my chance and hijack this thread then...  :)
there is a c&p error in lpdf-grp.lua.


since you're looking into lua code ... there is some new playground 
(unfinished of course) ... (the true arg is just for pretty printing 
and can be omitted)


Nice feature to shorten code when some data comes from a lua table but 
it did not work
when used in the lua environment, the code for the table appears only on 
the terminal.


indeed, and there's also some problem with complex nesting which i kind 
of solved (i'l do a talk about this at the context meeting)


(i'll make a new version that you can pick up from the ftp)

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 15.07.2009 um 15:57 schrieb Hans Hagen:


Peter Rolf wrote:

Hans Hagen schrieb:


i'll make a new alpha later today

i'll take my chance and hijack this thread then...  :)
there is a c&p error in lpdf-grp.lua.


since you're looking into lua code ... there is some new playground  
(unfinished of course) ... (the true arg is just for pretty printing  
and can be omitted)


Nice feature to shorten code when some data comes from a lua table but  
it did not work
when used in the lua environment, the code for the table appears only  
on the terminal.


\starttext

some text

\startluacode

context.bTABLE(true)
for i=1,10 do
   context.bTR()
   for i=1,10 do
   context.bTD()
   context("%#2i",math.random(99))
   context.eTD()
   end
   context.eTR(true)
end
context.eTABLE(true)

\stopluacode

\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Peter Rolf]

Hans Hagen schrieb:

Peter Rolf wrote:


   elseif model == 4 then
   return pdfarray { cv[6],cv[7],cv[8],cv[9] }
   elseif model == 4 then  -- *here*
   return pdfarray { cv[13] }


did you test it with model == 5

no, i simply added a final 'else' here. and no tests yet... still trying 
to understand the new code. i'm currently not in 'lua mode' and the 
temperatures are melting my brain... ;)




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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Jul 15, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:


It works for me with a slightly older beta but not with alpha
(always with and the most recent luatex, 0.42.0)

To be precise, with the older version I get: φι-λο-σο-φία   
which

looks like the right hyphenation to me.


Yep, this is the right hyphenation. Works now with latest alpha;  
thanks Hans and Taco!


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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Hans Hagen]

Peter Rolf wrote:

Hans Hagen schrieb:


i'll make a new alpha later today

i'll take my chance and hijack this thread then...  :)

there is a c&p error in lpdf-grp.lua.


since you're looking into lua code ... there is some new playground 
(unfinished of course) ... (the true arg is just for pretty printing and 
can be omitted)


context.chapter({ "label" }, "title", true)
context.chapter(function() return { "label" } end, "title", true)

context.startchapter({ title = "test" }, { more = "oeps" }, true)

context.starttext(true)
context.bTABLE(true)
for i=1,10 do
context.bTR()
for i=1,10 do
context.bTD()
context("%#2i",math.random(99))
context.eTD()
end
context.eTR(true)
end
context.eTABLE(true)

context.stopchapter(true)
context.stoptext(true)

no syntax checking involved (yet), just some magic

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Hans Hagen]

Peter Rolf wrote:


   elseif model == 4 then
   return pdfarray { cv[6],cv[7],cv[8],cv[9] }
   elseif model == 4 then  -- *here*
   return pdfarray { cv[13] }


did you test it with model == 5

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Peter Rolf]

Hans Hagen schrieb:


i'll make a new alpha later today

i'll take my chance and hijack this thread then...  :)

there is a c&p error in lpdf-grp.lua.

[..]
function lpdf.colorspec(model,ca,default)
   if ca and ca > 0 then
   local cv = colors.value(ca)
   if cv then
   if model == 1 then
   model = cv[1]
   end
   if model == 2 then
   return pdfarray { cv[2] }
   elseif model == 3 then
   return pdfarray { cv[3],cv[4],cv[5] }
   elseif model == 4 then
   return pdfarray { cv[6],cv[7],cv[8],cv[9] }
   elseif model == 4 then  -- *here*
   return pdfarray { cv[13] }
   end
   end
   end
   if default then
   return default
   end
end
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Hans Hagen]

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

fix:

\def\setcurrentlanguage#1#2% sets modes: **id (currentmain) *id (current)
  {\edef\xaskedlanguage{#1}% otherwise clash with \askedlanguage
   \ifx\xaskedlanguage\empty \else

\ifx\currentmainlanguage\empty\else\resetsystemmode{\systemmodeprefix\currentmainlanguage}\fi
 \let\currentmainlanguage\xaskedlanguage
 \setsystemmode{\systemmodeprefix\currentmainlanguage}%
   \fi
   \edef\xaskedlanguage{#2}%
   \ifx\xaskedlanguage\empty \else
 \ifx\currentlanguage\empty\else\resetsystemmode\currentlanguage\fi
 \let\currentlanguage\xaskedlanguage
 \setsystemmode\currentlanguage
   \fi}

i'll make a new alpha later today

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

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Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> 
> On Jul 14, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>>
>> I've put an alpha release on the website
> 
> Hi Hans,
> 
> with the alpha and luatex 0.41, I get no hyphenation for Greek. The
> pattern file is loaded, so it may be a problem with luatex itself. Example:
> 
> \usetypescriptfile[type-gentium]
> \usetypescript[gentium]
> \setupbodyfont[gentium,12pt]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> {\agr \hyphenatedword{φιλοσοφία}}
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> Works with beta, not with alpha.

It works for me with a slightly older beta but not with alpha
(always with and the most recent luatex, 0.42.0)

To be precise, with the older version I get: φι-λο-σο-φία  which
looks like the right hyphenation to me.

Best wishes,
Taco









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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 14.07.2009 um 19:39 schrieb Hans Hagen:


Hi

I've put an alpha release on the website


Sorry to disturb you again but I have still problems with indices,
there is no longer a problem when there is only one after a header
but when I put there two or more extra whitespace is inserted.

\starttext

\chapter{Knuth}

\input knuth

\chapter{Zapf}\index{zapf}

\input zapf

\chapter{Tufte and Weisman}\index{tufte}\index{weisman} % extra  
whitespace
%\chapter{Tufte and Weisman}\flushatnextpar{\index{tufte} 
\index{weisman}} % works


\input tufte

\input weisman

\stoptext


Another question, is the feature in floats to create a empty caption  
with

\placefigure{none}{...} now deprecated and \placefigure[none]{}{figure}
should be used or is it a bug when I get a error in combination with
interaction.

\setupinteraction[state=start]
\starttext
\placefigure{none}{figure} % error
%\placefigure[none]{}{figure} % no error
\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Jul 14, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:


Hi

I've put an alpha release on the website


Hi Hans,

with the alpha and luatex 0.41, I get no hyphenation for Greek. The  
pattern file is loaded, so it may be a problem with luatex itself.  
Example:


\usetypescriptfile[type-gentium]
\usetypescript[gentium]
\setupbodyfont[gentium,12pt]

\starttext

{\agr \hyphenatedword{φιλοσοφία}}

\stoptext

Works with beta, not with alpha.

All best

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[NTG-context] alpha release

[Hans Hagen]

Hi

I've put an alpha release on the website

- no beta as mkiv needs the trunk version of luatex
- a close to complete split in mkii/mkiv
- cleaned up mkiv code
- cleaned up mkiv backend (some pending issues)
- some speedups in mkiv
- a few fixes in mkii
- updated mkiv typescripts (more to come)
- fixes in mkiv structure

this version is not replicated on the context garden as we run older 
luatex binaries there (0.45 release by the end of this month)


you can unzip this file on your locla tree but best first rename the 
tex/context/base directory and make a fresh one as otherwise you end up 
with a weird mixture (due to the definitive split in .mkii/.mkiv there 
are not that many shared .tex files any more)


on the upcoming tex live there will be an updated mkii (either this one 
or the current beta which is basically a current for mkii) and an old 
mkiv (maybe the beta) or a new one but that one will not run then with 
the luatex on texlive as it is too old; this is no big deal as you can 
either use the minimals or use the new updater in the upcoming tex live 
to fetch newer binaries (norbert and mojca showed that trickery at 
bachotek 2009)


next on the mkiv agenda is an upgrade/rework of everything related to 
page building but it might as well be postponed till we have a bit more 
access (which will happen sometime after eurotex); the first priority is 
to get the new structure related code right but as idris is already 
publising books made by mkiv it's not that bad as it sounds.


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Vit Zyka said this at Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:54:41 +0100:

>>> Font design is very subjective game, I know. There is my comment:

I'm reminded of this quote: 
"The Polish prefer it more upright. The Czechs prefer it more flat."


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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Hans Hagen wrote:
Vit Zyka wrote:
Font design is very subjective game, I know. There is my comment:
I have asked Czech TeX users for their opinion yesterday. Now I want to 
wait a several days for their collecting. After that I will summarize 
the discussion results and will sent it here and to Jacko.

1) LM has very ugly caron
2) caron is too high at both capitals and minuscules
Isn't that a matter of taste? Think of mixed language usage (not that 
strange in todays europe), then one wants consistency and this was one 
of the objectives of  the latin modern fonts.

3) ring is lifeless/faint
indeed, let's see what Jacko thinks of it
4) acute is OK; I would prefer vertical position somewhere inbetween 
LM an CS, but CS are consistent with tight accents (acute and caron)

this is a disputed area, afaik latin modern is following the 
typographical correct rules (font/language experts were involved in that)

5) \v t: caron is too low (does not look as neither ligature 
connection nor separate accent

hm, isn't that a matter if viewing and printer resolution?
There has been some discussion with czech users in the previous lm dev 
stage, so ... do you know of any usage of lm in czech?

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Vit Zyka wrote:
Font design is very subjective game, I know. There is my comment:
1) LM has very ugly caron
2) caron is too high at both capitals and minuscules
Isn't that a matter of taste? Think of mixed language usage (not that strange in 
todays europe), then one wants consistency and this was one of the objectives of 
 the latin modern fonts.

3) ring is lifeless/faint
indeed, let's see what Jacko thinks of it
4) acute is OK; I would prefer vertical position somewhere inbetween LM 
an CS, but CS are consistent with tight accents (acute and caron)
this is a disputed area, afaik latin modern is following the typographical 
correct rules (font/language experts were involved in that)

5) \v t: caron is too low (does not look as neither ligature connection 
nor separate accent
hm, isn't that a matter if viewing and printer resolution?
There has been some discussion with czech users in the previous lm dev stage, so 
... do you know of any usage of lm in czech?

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Hans Hagen said this at Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:51:24 +0100:

>what cmr does xetex use? a special version? we can of course make a xetex 
>specific typescript to setup the default fonts

It's a straight opentype encapsulation of the CMR type1 fonts from CTAN,
as far as I can tell. 

Getting LM in there is a function of $x$ Jonathan Kew's time, $y$ when
the next XeTeX release is, and $z$ the stability of LM's current release.

I'll try to measure $z$ with Jacko later today...
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Adam Lindsay wrote:
latin modern fonts instead of cmr/plr/csr/aer/vnr:

Ah, here's a conflict: XeTeX doesn't have latin modern yet. (Needs to be
converted to OpenType, with some special table enabled... JK hasn't
documented it yet.) Do you have a switch to avoid the cmr-lm conversion?
what cmr does xetex use? a special version? we can of course make a xetex 
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Hans Hagen said this at Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:41:26 +0100:

>> Also, something I just realised (thanks to Vit's example): XeTeX hasn't a
>> clue when it comes to grid typesetting. (Has to do with the difficulty of
>> getting the metrics from the platform fonts, I think.)
>
>context does grid typesetting itself, there is no dependency on pdftex or so

I sort of tried to say that XeTeX's vertical measurements are very
conservative (based on Apple's text system: it just doesn't want to let
lines get too close!).

Anyway, here are some adjusted logos that seem to save 80% of my
headaches in XeTeX's vertical spacing:

\beginXETEX depth adjustment of logos
\let\NormalTeXLogo\TeX%save it---just in case!
\def\XeTeX{X\smash[d]{\lower.5ex\hbox{\kern-.15em\mirror{E}}}\kern-
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\def\TeX{T\smash[d]{\kern-.1667em\lower.5ex\hbox{E}}\kern-.125emX}
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Vit Zyka wrote:
I prefer the second variant. Can we find its solution?
added to the previous mail: german has dedicated umlauts in latin modern, so 
what you ask for is dedidated (positioned lower) caron's and such; about the 
small circular thingie, it indeed looks a bit to spiny in latin modern, so that 
may be a bug (you may as well be one of the first czech tex users looking into 
latin modern -)

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Vit Zyka wrote:
Hans Hagen wrote:
btw, if you patch enco-il2 by
  \startcoding[il2][il2] % second entry
and regenerate the format you have a regime for free -)

OK. That is the game. Chars were born.
I prepared a quick comparision of Czech/Slovak accented letters (Latin 
Modern v. CS Fonts). See http://typokvitek.com/tmp/latin.pdf

Font design is very subjective game, I know. There is my comment:
1) LM has very ugly caron
2) caron is too high at both capitals and minuscules
3) ring is lifeless/faint
4) acute is OK; I would prefer vertical position somewhere inbetween LM 
an CS, but CS are consistent with tight accents (acute and caron)
5) \v t: caron is too low (does not look as neither ligature connection 
nor separate accent

No kernings checking for now, just glyph drawing. I can ask LM author 
(Boguslaw Jackowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ?) about his opinion. But the 
current tests (especially points 1,2,3) prevent me from the LM font 
usage in ConTeXt.

So, for me, there are two possibilities to fullfil my aesthetic feeling:
1) go back to the old (no lm) ConTeXt version, or
2) simple switch to set complete CS fonts environment (I use the next 
code, but it is just a quick hack:
  \loadmapfile[il2-ams-cmr.map]
  \definetypeface[computer-modern][il2] \setupbodyfont[modern]

I prefer the second variant. Can we find its solution?
a better solution is to use alternative glyphs, now, one problem is that there 
are no il2-lm files in the lm distribution and such things could be solved in a 
il2-lm.* tfm set combined with enc files that map to the prefered instances of 
glyphs (some glyphs are present in more variants), so

i prefer the first variant with adaptions since that was part of the reason for 
the lm project: replace plr, csr, aer etc

kerning is a different game, since the csr metric files are used, you get the 
same kerns as in csr; but future versions of lm will have improved kerning pairs

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Hans Hagen wrote:
btw, if you patch enco-il2 by
  \startcoding[il2][il2] % second entry
and regenerate the format you have a regime for free -)
OK. That is the game. Chars were born.
I prepared a quick comparision of Czech/Slovak accented letters (Latin 
Modern v. CS Fonts). See http://typokvitek.com/tmp/latin.pdf

Font design is very subjective game, I know. There is my comment:
1) LM has very ugly caron
2) caron is too high at both capitals and minuscules
3) ring is lifeless/faint
4) acute is OK; I would prefer vertical position somewhere inbetween LM 
an CS, but CS are consistent with tight accents (acute and caron)
5) \v t: caron is too low (does not look as neither ligature connection 
nor separate accent

No kernings checking for now, just glyph drawing. I can ask LM author 
(Boguslaw Jackowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ?) about his opinion. But the 
current tests (especially points 1,2,3) prevent me from the LM font 
usage in ConTeXt.

So, for me, there are two possibilities to fullfil my aesthetic feeling:
1) go back to the old (no lm) ConTeXt version, or
2) simple switch to set complete CS fonts environment (I use the next 
code, but it is just a quick hack:
  \loadmapfile[il2-ams-cmr.map]
  \definetypeface[computer-modern][il2] \setupbodyfont[modern]

I prefer the second variant. Can we find its solution?
Thank
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Adam Lindsay wrote:
Ah, here's a conflict: XeTeX doesn't have latin modern yet. (Needs to be
converted to OpenType, with some special table enabled... JK hasn't
documented it yet.) Do you have a switch to avoid the cmr-lm conversion?
hm, we should have a \beginXETEX ... \endXETEX section then
but before we do that, can you contact
  Boguslaw Jackowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
there has be done some work on lm open type so maybe if you join forces ...
Also, something I just realised (thanks to Vit's example): XeTeX hasn't a
clue when it comes to grid typesetting. (Has to do with the difficulty of
getting the metrics from the platform fonts, I think.)
context does grid typesetting itself, there is no dependency on pdftex or so
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Vit Zyka wrote:
\setupencoding[default=il2] \usetypescript[modern][\defaultencoding]

There is some mess with encoding, I think:
-
\setupencoding[default=il2]
\def\criticalchars{\dcaron=\v d=Ä}
\starttext
  \usetypescript[modern][\defaultencoding]
  \criticalchars
\stoptext
in addition to previous mails: encodings are switched by font switches, i.e. 
each font has an associated encoding, so in principle one can have typefaces and 
styles with mixed encodings; the default is ec which happens to partially 
overlay with il2 and unless some regime is used, your specific input

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Adam Lindsay wrote:
Vit Zyka said this at Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:30:20 +0100:

So problem is at the very beginning stage. I check if input file is 
exactly in il2 encoding, yes it is. 'ì' has catcode letter. So a the 
letter is should enter the font.

Where is problem?

I think it's with two things:
1) you're not using \enableregime[il2]
2) there's no il2 regime anyway!
another option is to copy cont-en into cont-xx and replace the ec in there 
by il2
(or to say: \definetypeface[modern][il2] \setupbodyfont[modern], but that is 
slower)

%D \module
%D   [   file=cont-en,
%Dversion=1997.08.19,
%D  title=\CONTEXT,
%D   subtitle=\CONTEXT\ English Format Generation,
%D author=Hans Hagen,
%D   date=\currentdate,
%D  copyright={PRAGMA / Hans Hagen \& Ton Otten}]
%C
%C This module is part of the \CONTEXT\ macro||package and is
%C therefore copyrighted by \PRAGMA. See mreadme.pdf for
%C details.
\catcode`\{=1 \catcode`\}=2 \def\defaultinterface{english}
\input context.tex
\unprotect
\setupcurrentlanguage[\s!en]
\loaduserspecifications
\installlanguage [\s!en] [\c!state=\v!start]
\installlanguage [\s!uk] [\c!state=\v!start]
\installlanguage [\s!de] [\c!state=\v!start]
\installlanguage [\s!fr] [\c!state=\v!start]
\installlanguage [\s!es] [\c!state=\v!start]
\installlanguage [\s!it] [\c!state=\v!start]
\installlanguage [\s!nl] [\c!state=\v!start]
% \setupbodyfont [cmr,ams,rm,12pt]
%
% \setupencoding[default=ec] \usetypescript[modern][\defaultencoding] 
\setupbodyfont[modern,rm,12pt]

\setupencoding[default=ec] \usetypescript[fallback][\defaultencoding] 
\setupbodyfont[rm,12pt]

\protect \errorstopmode \dump \endinput

btw, if you patch enco-il2 by
  \startcoding[il2][il2] % second entry
and regenerate the format you have a regime for free -)
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Hans Hagen said this at Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:11:29 +0100:

> latin modern fonts instead of cmr/plr/csr/aer/vnr:

Ah, here's a conflict: XeTeX doesn't have latin modern yet. (Needs to be
converted to OpenType, with some special table enabled... JK hasn't
documented it yet.) Do you have a switch to avoid the cmr-lm conversion?

Also, something I just realised (thanks to Vit's example): XeTeX hasn't a
clue when it comes to grid typesetting. (Has to do with the difficulty of
getting the metrics from the platform fonts, I think.)

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Vit Zyka said this at Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:30:20 +0100:

>So problem is at the very beginning stage. I check if input file is
>exactly in il2 encoding, yes it is. 'ì' has catcode letter. So a the
>letter is should enter the font.
>
>Where is problem?

I think it's with two things:
1) you're not using \enableregime[il2]
2) there's no il2 regime anyway!

Perhaps (as a temporary fix), you could convert your file to UTF-8
encoding and include \enableregime[utf] in your input file?

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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\setupencoding[default=il2] \usetypescript[modern][\defaultencoding]
There is some mess with encoding, I think:
-
\setupencoding[default=il2]
\def\criticalchars{\dcaron=\v d=Ä}
\starttext
  \usetypescript[modern][\defaultencoding]
  \criticalchars
\stoptext

Both \dcaron and \v d give proper glyph, but direct 'Ä' not.
If I understand correctly, now the actual typescript is defined in 
type-exa.tex encoding: enco-il2.tex map: il2-public-lm.map with glyph 
encoding: csrm.enc.

So problem is at the very beginning stage. I check if input file is 
exactly in il2 encoding, yes it is. 'Ä' has catcode letter. So a the 
letter is should enter the font.

Where is problem?
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Vit Zyka wrote:
So can we move
\unprotected \setuplanguage
[cz]
[\c!compoundhyphen=-,
 \c!leftcompoundhyphen=-,
 \c!rightcompoundhyphen=-]
onto cont-cz.tex ?
no, if all your czech friends agree, it can move to lang-sla.tex
And related question. Is there ANY czech user who uses cz interface, 
like \definujramovani? I guess not. It is very unconfortable and 
confusing especially for unskilled ConTeXter to edit cont-cz.tex to switch
  \def\defaultinterface{czech}
to
  \def\defaultinterface{english}
cont-cz was never meant to be english in interface
If nobody complain I suggest \def\defaultinterface{english}
to be default for cont-cz.
the cont-cz name is reserved for the interface, so if you really want a czech 
format, you need to go cont-en-cz or so

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Idris Samawi Hamid said this at Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:28:43 -0700:
No, but I use old-style numerals as default
Ok, the next alpha will offer you:
\starttext
\usetypescript [modern][\defaultencoding]
\usetypescript [map]   [latin-modern-os] [\defaultencoding]
\setupbodyfont[modern] test 1234 test
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Hans Hagen wrote:
Vit Zyka wrote:
I save time to install new release and start to test. Good news:
1) The hyphen code can be processed with cont-cz.
Bad news:
1) \c!compoundhyphen atc. are not defined in cont-con.tex
they are in mult-con (in the alpha)
Sorry Hans, I did not distinguish between current and alpha, only 
between alpha-betha.

Now it works well, indeed...
So can we move
\unprotected \setuplanguage
[cz]
[\c!compoundhyphen=-,
 \c!leftcompoundhyphen=-,
 \c!rightcompoundhyphen=-]
onto cont-cz.tex ?
And related question. Is there ANY czech user who uses cz interface, 
like \definujramovani? I guess not. It is very unconfortable and 
confusing especially for unskilled ConTeXter to edit cont-cz.tex to switch
  \def\defaultinterface{czech}
to
  \def\defaultinterface{english}

If nobody complain I suggest \def\defaultinterface{english}
to be default for cont-cz.
Thanks
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Vit Zyka wrote:
I save time to install new release and start to test. Good news:
1) The hyphen code can be processed with cont-cz.
Bad news:
1) \c!compoundhyphen atc. are not defined in cont-con.tex
they are in mult-con (in the alpha)
2) it preserves long-variant hyphen for \cz case (no difference between 
\en and \cz):

\unprotected \setuplanguage
[cz]
[compoundhyphen=-,
 leftcompoundhyphen=-,
 rightcompoundhyphen=-]
that;s because in your version the keywords are not known
=
 > - latin modern fonts instead of cmr/plr/csr/aer/vnr:
 >
 >   fetch the cont-lmt.zip file if needed
I want to compare Czech accented chars in lm and csr. I started with the 
bellow code, but no criticalchars is visible in both cases. Log is 
enclosed. What are the proper family/typescript names?

%
\useencoding[il2]
\enableregime[il2]
\setupencoding[default=il2] \usetypescript[modern][\defaultencoding]
(no need fo rthe regime afaik)
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

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Hans Hagen wrote:
Hi,
I posted an alpha release. Main differences:
>
- david antos' wish, test for this:
  \unprotected \setuplanguage
[cz]
[\c!compoundhyphen=-,
 \c!leftcompoundhyphen=-,
 \c!rightcompoundhyphen=-]
Hallo Hans,
I save time to install new release and start to test. Good news:
1) The hyphen code can be processed with cont-cz.
Bad news:
1) \c!compoundhyphen atc. are not defined in cont-con.tex
2) it preserves long-variant hyphen for \cz case (no difference between 
\en and \cz):

\unprotected \setuplanguage
[cz]
[compoundhyphen=-,
 leftcompoundhyphen=-,
 rightcompoundhyphen=-]
\starttext
\en \dorecurse{100}{test||}test \endgraf
\cz \dorecurse{100}{test||}test \endgraf
\stoptext
=
> - latin modern fonts instead of cmr/plr/csr/aer/vnr:
>
>   fetch the cont-lmt.zip file if needed
I want to compare Czech accented chars in lm and csr. I started with the 
bellow code, but no criticalchars is visible in both cases. Log is 
enclosed. What are the proper family/typescript names?

Thanks for help.
Vit Zyka
%
\useencoding[il2]
\enableregime[il2]
\def\criticalchars{ÄÅÅÃÃ}
% \v d, \v t, \v n, \v T, \v R, \v S, \r u, \'u, \'U
\starttext
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:41:30 +0100, Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There are also a few accents that I have to make on the fly with 
(amateurish) macros, including the shorter bar over lower case  and 
some others. lm should provide all of this by default.
do you have a list of them:
 
ok, everything is in the attached file aqc-trans.sty (also 2 b found in 
your private sanaah tree \texmf-var\tex\generic\sanaah). Most important:

1.
\def\h#1{{\oalign{\relax#1\crcr\hidewidth\SHIFT{34}%
\vbox to.2ex{\hbox{\char'25}\vss}\hidewidth}}}
% this one fails when using m-bib so I have some workarounds in the 
attached file

2.
\def\IBAR%
{\leavevmode\vbox{\offinterlineskip\lineskip0.295ex%
%\ialign{##\cr\USHIFT{120}\hbox to .2em{\leaders\hrule height 
.067354ex\hfill}\SHIFT{1}\cr\i\cr}}}
%\ialign{##\cr\USHIFT{120}\hfill\hbox to .21243em{\leaders\hrule height 
.067354ex\hfill}\hfill\SHIFT{1}\cr\i\cr}}}
\ialign{##\cr\USHIFT{120}\hfill\hbox to .21243em{\leaders\hrule height 
.07ex\hfill}\hfill\SHIFT{1}\cr\i\cr}}}

\definecharacter imacron  {\IBAR} % ConTeXt-dependent!
3.
\def\cupd{\leavevmode\USHIFT{14}\rotate[rotation=180,location=high]{\txx 
c}\SHIFT{14}} % ConTeXt dependent!
\def\cupds{\leavevmode\USHIFT{21}\rotate[rotation=180,location=high]{\switchtobodyfont[small]\txx 
c}\SHIFT{14}} % ConTeXt dependent!

\def\HAMZAH{\leavevmode\raise.9ex\hbox{\cupd}{}}
\def\HAMZAHS{\leavevmode\raise.9ex\hbox{\cupds}{}}
\def\AYN   {\leavevmode\raise.9ex\hbox{\txx \USHIFT{1} c\SHIFT{0}}{}}
%\def\AYN   {\leavevmode\raise.9ex\hbox{\switchtobodyfont[small]\txx 
\USHIFT{1} c\SHIFT{1}}{}}
\def\AYNS   {\leavevmode\raise.9ex\hbox{\switchtobodyfont[small]\txx 
\USHIFT{1} c\SHIFT{1}}{}}

\def\'{\HAMZAH}
\def\`{\AYN}

There may be a couple of more important ones, I need to check...
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:45:29 +, Adam Lindsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

Idris Samawi Hamid said this at Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:28:43 -0700:
No, but I use old-style numerals as default
Out of curiosity, are the old-style numerals from CM (cmmi*, I presume)
in any shapes other than roman? I had the impression there were no real
italic or bold variants, but I could be wrong (and would love to know
where to find them, in that case!).
There is a bold version for the 10pt case only (cmmib10), and I created a 
font switch \ob to use old-style bold at any bold size when necessary (no 
optcal scaling). \bf still switches to the optically-scaled bold, while 
\ob uses cmmib10's numerals:

\definestyle [oldstylebold] [\ob] []
:
\definefontsynonym [OldStyleSerif-Bold] [cmrosb10]
%cmrosb10 is a virtual font that calls the numerals from
%cmmib10
:
\definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [OldStyleSerif-Bold]
:
\definebodyfont
  [20.7pt,17.3pt,14.4pt,12pt,11pt,10pt,9pt,8pt,7pt,6pt,5pt,4pt]
  [rm]
  [ob=SerifBold sa 1,
   bi=SerifBoldItalic sa 1,
   bs=SerifBoldSlanted sa 1,
   sc=SerifCaps sa 1]
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

[Adam Lindsay]

Idris Samawi Hamid said this at Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:28:43 -0700:

>No, but I use old-style numerals as default 

Out of curiosity, are the old-style numerals from CM (cmmi*, I presume)
in any shapes other than roman? I had the impression there were no real
italic or bold variants, but I could be wrong (and would love to know
where to find them, in that case!).

Cheers,
adam

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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

[Hans Hagen]

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
Sorry 4 late response, was out of town...
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:11:40 +0100, Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Are there things in cmr that are not in latin modern?

No, but I use old-style numerals as default (as it should be in much of 
the liberal arts and
critical scholarship). There are also a few accents that I have to make 
on the fly with (amateurish) macros, including the shorter bar over 
lower case  and some others. lm should provide all of this by default.
do you have a list of them:
 
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

Sorry 4 late response, was out of town...
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:11:40 +0100, Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Are there things in cmr that are not in latin modern?
No, but I use old-style numerals as default (as it should be in much of 
the liberal arts and
critical scholarship). There are also a few accents that I have to make on 
the fly with (amateurish) macros, including the shorter bar over lower 
case  and some others. lm should provide all of this by default.

Until lm develops further, can you make a virtual lm font (with 
typescripts etc) that defaults to old-style numerals? Then I can still use 
my accent macros (which of course defeats the whole raison d'etre of 
lm;->) till lm fixes/implements these.

Also note that I'll explicitly credit Jacko/lm in the colophon of the next 
issue of my journal if we can fix this.

Best
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

[Hans Hagen]

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:11:29 +0100, Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
I posted an alpha release. Main differences:


- latin modern fonts instead of cmr/plr/csr/aer/vnr:
   fetch the cont-lmt.zip file if needed

Ok, but lm is (as far as I know) still not quite usable for e.g. my 
journal. I sent a list of needs to Jacko quite a while back but i don't 
know if they r being considerd or not. Basically we need a global 
old-style numeral option and to fix/add some accents. I'm ready to work 
with u and Jacko to get this done...
Are there things in cmr that are not in latin modern? Keep in mind that the math 
 fonts are still cmr (although some day there may be extensions in that aera as 
well)

Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:11:29 +0100, Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
I posted an alpha release. Main differences:

- latin modern fonts instead of cmr/plr/csr/aer/vnr:
   fetch the cont-lmt.zip file if needed
Ok, but lm is (as far as I know) still not quite usable for e.g. my 
journal. I sent a list of needs to Jacko quite a while back but i don't 
know if they r being considerd or not. Basically we need a global 
old-style numeral option and to fix/add some accents. I'm ready to work 
with u and Jacko to get this done...

Best
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[NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,
I posted an alpha release. Main differences:
- some efficiency changes in language parts
  needed for || extension
- latin modern fonts instead of cmr/plr/csr/aer/vnr:
  fetch the cont-lmt.zip file if needed
- david antos' wish, test for this:
  \unprotected \setuplanguage
[cz]
[\c!compoundhyphen=-,
 \c!leftcompoundhyphen=-,
 \c!rightcompoundhyphen=-]
  % \protect
  \starttext
  \def\test{|<|test|>| \dorecurse{100}{test||}test}
  \en  \test \endgraf
  \nl  \test \endgraf
  \de  \test \endgraf
  \deo \test \endgraf
  \cz  \test \endgraf
  \stoptext
  cz setting not yet in language files, test first
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Hans Hagen]

Willi Egger wrote:
Thanks Taco! This makes things clear.
also, at runtime you get something:
language   : patterns nl->texnansi:texnansi->1->2:2 nl->ec:ec->2->2:2 en->d
efault:default->3->2:2 de->texnansi:texnansi->4->2:2 de->ec:ec->5->2:2 da->defa
ult:default->6->2:2 sv->default:default->7->2:2 af->default:default->8->2:2 no-
>texnansi:texnansi->9->2:2 no->ec:ec->10->2:2 deo->texnansi:texnansi->11->2:2 d
eo->ec:ec->12->2:2 uk->default:default->13->2:2 us->default:default->[3]->2:2 f
r->texnansi:texnansi->14->2:2 fr->ec:ec->15->2:2 es->default:default->16->2:2 c
a->default:default->17->2:2 it->texnansi:texnansi->18->2:2 it->ec:ec->19->2:2 l
a->default:default->20->2:2 pt->default:default->21->2:2 ro->default:default->2
2->2:2 pl->pl0:pl0->23->2:2 pl->ec:ec->24->2:2 cz->il2:il2->25->2:2 cz->ec:ec->
26->2:2 sk->il2:il2->27->2:2 sk->ec:ec->28->2:2 hr->il2:il2->29->2:2 hr->ec:ec-
>30->2:2 sl->il2:il2->31->2:2 sl->ec:ec->32->2:2 tr->default:default->33->2:2 f
i->default:default->35->2:2 loaded
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Willi Egger]

Thanks Taco! This makes things clear.
Willi
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Adam Lindsay wrote:
Willi Egger said this at Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:33:08 +0100:

language   : patterns en for en loaded (n=1)
(c:\NEWCON~1\tex\texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/ushyph.tex)
language   : no hyphenations en for en (n=1)

Yeah, huh. I got the same, too. Empirically, it works:

This message hits a minor language problem. Please read as follows:
language   : \patterns en for en loaded (n=1)
(c:\NEWCON~1\tex\texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/ushyph.tex)
language   : no \hyphenation's en for en (n=1)
So yes, all is fine (unless you want to typeset the word
'JavaScript' a few times in a narrow column).
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Taco Hoekwater]

Adam Lindsay wrote:
Willi Egger said this at Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:33:08 +0100:

language   : patterns en for en loaded (n=1)
(c:\NEWCON~1\tex\texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/ushyph.tex)
language   : no hyphenations en for en (n=1)
Yeah, huh. I got the same, too. Empirically, it works:
This message hits a minor language problem. Please read as 
follows:

language   : \patterns en for en loaded (n=1)
(c:\NEWCON~1\tex\texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/ushyph.tex)
language   : no \hyphenation's en for en (n=1)
So yes, all is fine (unless you want to typeset the word
'JavaScript' a few times in a narrow column).
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

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Willi Egger said this at Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:33:08 +0100:

>language   : patterns en for en loaded (n=1)
>(c:\NEWCON~1\tex\texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/ushyph.tex)
>language   : no hyphenations en for en (n=1)

Yeah, huh. I got the same, too. Empirically, it works:
\starttext
\framedtext[width=8cm]{\input tufte }
\stoptext

lots and lots of hyphens.
But those are unsettling messages, you're right.
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Re: [NTG-context] alpha release

[Willi Egger]

Hi,
I donwloaded your latest release ...
After generating the format files I checked the log files of 
format-generation.
Following up the discussion on another thread (hyphenation peculiarity) 
I would like to ask how the follwing lines should be interpreted:

language   : patterns en for en loaded (n=1)
(c:\NEWCON~1\tex\texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/ushyph.tex)
language   : no hyphenations en for en (n=1)
language   : patterns uk for uk loaded (n=2)
(c:\NEWCON~1\tex\texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/ukhyph.tex)
language   : no hyphenations uk for uk (n=2)
encoding   : coding texnansi
Are the hyphenations for the english language now correctly set?
Kind regards Willi
Hans Hagen wrote:
Hi,
I uploaded an alpha release. Well, not that alpha, since i run it here 
as default, but this one has the bib files packahed. Some code moved to 
the system modules and some bits and pieces were cleaned up. Taco and I 
will discuss a further clean up / internationalization later. I hope 
that this fisex some of the reported problems.

(next on the list is the nath module, but i wait till GB tells me to do so)
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[NTG-context] alpha release

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,
I uploaded an alpha release. Well, not that alpha, since i run it here as 
default, but this one has the bib files packahed. Some code moved to the system 
modules and some bits and pieces were cleaned up. Taco and I will discuss a 
further clean up / internationalization later. I hope that this fisex some of 
the reported problems.

(next on the list is the nath module, but i wait till GB tells me to do so)
Hans
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