Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-31 Thread Hans Hagen
Fabrice Popineau wrote: >> i simply can not use a program that i >> know will be replaced within 5 years > > And there are not so many stable tools. > TeX and Lisp. > > :-) and hopefully lua -) Hans -

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-30 Thread Fabrice Popineau
> i simply can not use a program that i > know will be replaced within 5 years And there are not so many stable tools. TeX and Lisp. :-) Fabrice ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-29 Thread Gerben Wierda
On Jul 29, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > Hi Gerben, > > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Gerben Wierda wrote: > >> This should be based on (imo) merging the content of the excursion >> and >> the manual. > > Here (and sometime earlier in the thread) you have suggested that > you find > the sca

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-29 Thread Gerben Wierda
On Jul 29, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: >> I was wondering if you already know what you would have to use if not >> TeX. Is there an alternative at all? > > no, i'd probably choose a completely other job then (ok, maybe general > programming as part time then) ... i simply can not use a pro

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-29 Thread Hans Hagen
Gerben Wierda wrote: > I was wondering if you already know what you would have to use if not > TeX. Is there an alternative at all? no, i'd probably choose a completely other job then (ok, maybe general programming as part time then) ... i simply can not use a program that i know will be repl

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-29 Thread Aditya Mahajan
Hi Gerben, On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Gerben Wierda wrote: > This should be based on (imo) merging the content of the excursion and > the manual. Here (and sometime earlier in the thread) you have suggested that you find the scattered documentation of ConTeXt confusing and would like to see an exha

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-29 Thread Gerben Wierda
On Jul 28, 2008, at 10:36 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > Gerben Wierda wrote: > >> Somehow, this might be applied to ConTeXt I think ;-). Three out of >> four afaic... > > well, it's one reason why we have multiple smaller manuals (often made > in sync with the specific feature) > > anyhow ... taco and i

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-28 Thread Uwe Koloska
Hello, Am Montag, 28. Juli 2008 schrieb Gerben Wierda: > I have an idea. Why not have a live ConTeXt manual.pdf where you add > something in the proper location and compile the document every time > you answer a question from a user? As you are the person answering > anyway, it should be little ex

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-28 Thread Hans Hagen
Gerben Wierda wrote: > Somehow, this might be applied to ConTeXt I think ;-). Three out of > four afaic... well, it's one reason why we have multiple smaller manuals (often made in sync with the specific feature) anyhow ... taco and i only have one livetime, 24h/day etc etc currently we spen

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-28 Thread Gerben Wierda
On Jul 28, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > there's the matter of what a user expects ... the core of context is > rather stable and in that respect the 'old documentation' is still > valid > i.e. apart from 'new features, which may of interest to only a small > group', the date on a manual

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-28 Thread Hans Hagen
David wrote: > documentation makes all other bugs insignificant. (In fact, many > apparent bugs turn out to have secret workarounds anyway, and those > would obviously be in the documentation.) this is not entirely true ... there is often more than one way to solve a problem (esp if there is n

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-28 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > > > Gerben Wierda wrote: >> >> I have an idea. Why not have a live ConTeXt manual.pdf where you add >> something in the proper location and compile the document every time >> you answer a question from a user? As you are the person answering >> anyway,

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-28 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Gerben Wierda wrote: > > I have an idea. Why not have a live ConTeXt manual.pdf where you add > something in the proper location and compile the document every time > you answer a question from a user? As you are the person answering > anyway, it should be little extra work. This is a goo

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-28 Thread Gerben Wierda
On Jul 28, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > > Hi, > > While most of what Gerben states is close enough to the truth to > be a matter of opinion, I really object to the tone of 'there is no > documentation'. There is, in fact, a whole lot of documentation. > It may be incomplete (especial

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-28 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Hi, While most of what Gerben states is close enough to the truth to be a matter of opinion, I really object to the tone of 'there is no documentation'. There is, in fact, a whole lot of documentation. It may be incomplete (especially when it comes to recent developments), but that is quite diff

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-28 Thread Gerben Wierda
On Jul 27, 2008, at 9:40 PM, David wrote: >> From my own selfish point of view, the solution is simple. A freeze >> on >> all code, not even allowing bug fixes, until there's a comprehensive >> and unified document written by Hans and Taco (plus whoever else) >> that >> explains how to use al

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-27 Thread David
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 04:38:42 +0200, Gerben Wierda wrote: > My expectation is that the situation with respect > to user documentation is not going to improve soon. I don't know one way or the other about this. I do know that there are only a few people (fewer than ten) who can even think of fix

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-25 Thread Gerben Wierda
On Jul 26, 2008, at 1:31 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > The sources are very well documented in the most > part. But then, that is not user interface documentation, it is code > documentation Exactly. Let's give a simple example. My project needs both footnotes and endnotes. For footnotes I have

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-25 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Gerben Wierda wrote: > On Jul 22, 2008, at 2:37 AM, John Culleton wrote: > >> There are days when I feel like collecting all the bits and pieces and >> writing somthing myself. But then I lie down until the fit passes. > > The lack of proper end user documentation is one of th

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-25 Thread luigi scarso
These are all my opinions, of course. > > The lack of proper end user documentation is one of the main problems > with ConTeXt. Eventually, actually one of the main problems is the lack of people like Wolfgang Schuster . For sure the things can be better if everyone uses the wiki to search an

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-25 Thread Gerben Wierda
On Jul 22, 2008, at 2:37 AM, John Culleton wrote: > There are days when I feel like collecting all the bits and pieces and > writing somthing myself. But then I lie down until the fit passes. The lack of proper end user documentation is one of the main problems with ConTeXt. There was talk of a

Re: [NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-21 Thread John Culleton
On Monday 21 July 2008 07:58:55 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > Why not submit cont-enp.pdf (ConTeXt the manual) to lulu? I do > appreciate the hard work that's going into the documentation, but > at some places the english doesn't flow that well. Out of curiosity > how many people proof read

[NTG-context] cont-enp.pdf on lulu

2008-07-21 Thread abbg770
Hi, Why not submit cont-enp.pdf (ConTeXt the manual) to lulu? I do appreciate the hard work that's going into the documentation, but at some places the english doesn't flow that well. Out of curiosity how many people proof read the documentation before they're released? -- Thanks Mohamed Bana