Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-25 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi Bill, Am 22.03.2013 um 15:19 schrieb Bill Meahan : > On 03/22/2013 03:31 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Maybe, we could setup a collaborative work group to do the documentation. >> >> That is a group of us are responsible for certain groups of commands. This >> way >> the manu

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-22 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3/22/2013 3:19 PM, Bill Meahan wrote: On 03/22/2013 03:31 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: Hi All, Maybe, we could setup a collaborative work group to do the documentation. That is a group of us are responsible for certain groups of commands. This way the manuals can become more complete. That w

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-22 Thread luigi scarso
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: >Why do bicycles not come equipped with tractor wheels? hm... they do ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGGlODF7_RY -- luigi ___ If your question is of intere

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-22 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Hi Bill, On 03/22/2013 03:19 PM, Bill Meahan wrote: What we would need is a specification for: [snip] In 45+ years of programming[1] it has never ceased to amaze me how the wheel has to be reinvented for every new system whether language, macro package or whatever. Why do it again? Why not

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-22 Thread Bill Meahan
On 03/22/2013 03:31 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: Hi All, Maybe, we could setup a collaborative work group to do the documentation. That is a group of us are responsible for certain groups of commands. This way the manuals can become more complete. That way some of the more advance stuff that is

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-22 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi All, Maybe, we could setup a collaborative work group to do the documentation. That is a group of us are responsible for certain groups of commands. This way the manuals can become more complete. That way some of the more advance stuff that is hardly documented finally gets documented. What w

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-21 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia 2013-03-21, o godz. 11:32:01 Alan BRASLAU napisał(a): > On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:19:24 +0100 > Mojca Miklavec wrote: > > > Marcin wasn't talking about organizing the wiki page, but about > > writing up-to-date and complete manuals (in PDF) which is nearly > > impossible with the speed that H

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-21 Thread Alan BRASLAU
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:19:24 +0100 Mojca Miklavec wrote: > Marcin wasn't talking about organizing the wiki page, but about > writing up-to-date and complete manuals (in PDF) which is nearly > impossible with the speed that Hans keeps developing ConTeXt ;). Unless we find funding somewhere to ass

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-21 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: > Am 20.03.2013 um 09:25 schrieb Marcin Borkowski: >> >> That is quite true, though not that easy. In essence, I think someone >> would have to be paid for tracking the mailing list and updating >> manuals. AFAIK, Sietse does a great job up

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-20 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Am 20.03.2013 um 09:25 schrieb Marcin Borkowski : > Dnia 2013-03-20, o godz. 09:12:21 > "Keith J. Schultz" napisał(a): > >> [snip, snip] >> My suggestion would be to have garden have a manuals download >> area where one can get the up to date manuals from Pragma and >> where one can discern ho

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-20 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3/20/2013 10:27 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: On 3/20/2013 7:05 AM, Otared Kavian wrote: So my pledge is this: make any stable version of ConTeXt in TeXLive so that it works and typesets a tex-file « out of the box », without needing to issue a

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-20 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 3/20/2013 7:05 AM, Otared Kavian wrote: > >> So my pledge is this: make any stable version of ConTeXt in TeXLive so >> that it works and typesets a tex-file « out of the box », without needing to >> issue any command other than: >> con

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-20 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3/20/2013 9:12 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: Hi Hans, All, The biggest crux in using ConTeXt is its documentation. True, things have gotten a lot better in the past year! Yet, there is no ONE definitive place to get comprehensive and EASY to find documentation. 1) Garden is really no

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-20 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3/20/2013 7:05 AM, Otared Kavian wrote: So my pledge is this: make any stable version of ConTeXt in TeXLive so that it works and typesets a tex-file « out of the box », without needing to issue any command other than: context myfile.tex This is the case with LaTeX inside TeXLive, an

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-20 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia 2013-03-20, o godz. 09:12:21 "Keith J. Schultz" napisał(a): > Hi Hans, All, > > > The biggest crux in using ConTeXt is its documentation. > True, things have gotten a lot better in the past year! > > Yet, there is no ONE definitive place to get comprehensive > and EASY to find documentati

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-20 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi All, Am 20.03.2013 um 07:05 schrieb Otared Kavian : > > On 19 mars 2013, at 19:47, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > >> […]Although most active users use ConTeXt standalone and are willing to >> update frequently, TL still plays an important role in introducing new users >> to ConTeXt. An experienc

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-20 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi Hans, All, The biggest crux in using ConTeXt is its documentation. True, things have gotten a lot better in the past year! Yet, there is no ONE definitive place to get comprehensive and EASY to find documentation. 1) Garden is really not that easy to navigate 2) Garden is lo

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-20 Thread Meer H. van der
On 20 mrt. 2013, at 07:05, Otared Kavian wrote: > > On 19 mars 2013, at 19:47, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > >> […]Although most active users use ConTeXt standalone and are willing to >> update frequently, TL still plays an important role in introducing new users >> to ConTeXt. An experienced Te

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-19 Thread Otared Kavian
On 19 mars 2013, at 19:47, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > […]Although most active users use ConTeXt standalone and are willing to > update frequently, TL still plays an important role in introducing new users > to ConTeXt. An experienced TeX user who wants to try ConTeXt is more likely > to try ConT

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-19 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Hans Hagen wrote: On 3/19/2013 7:47 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote: So, I'd like to suggest that for a few weeks before the TL freeze, we do a ConTeXt-beta freeze with only changes being bug fixes. We can try .. I have no plans for drastic changes (and no time for it the next

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-19 Thread Hans Hagen
On 3/19/2013 7:47 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote: On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Hans Hagen wrote: One these days there will be a first iteration of this years 'current' release. This has to do with the texlive code freeze. Are there any plans to do an actual development freeze a few weeks before the TL code

Re: [NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-19 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Hans Hagen wrote: One these days there will be a first iteration of this years 'current' release. This has to do with the texlive code freeze. Are there any plans to do an actual development freeze a few weeks before the TL code freeze to ensure that the TL version is not

[NTG-context] upto current

2013-03-19 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, One these days there will be a first iteration of this years 'current' release. This has to do with the texlive code freeze. As usual the current is paired with a version of luatex and mplib, of which there also will be a frozen version soon. This year we also have luajittex. Among the b