subject:"\[NTG\-context\] Path problems w\/ MkIV on Arch Linux"

Re: [NTG-context] Path problems w/ MkIV on Arch Linux

2013-08-01 Thread Hans Hagen

On 8/1/2013 5:59 AM, Matt Gushee wrote:

Thanks, Hans ...

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:

On 7/31/2013 10:51 PM, Matt Gushee wrote:

code, so unless there are serious bugs, I want to use the version
included with TexLive. At any rate, that's what I currently have and
am trying to use. But I am running into issues with files not being
found, e.g.:

as a start you could try the distribution from the garden; at least it's a
good way to figure out if there is something fishy with your system

Okay, I've installed that, and it works fine ... though I had a small
glitch along the way that gives me an idea about what the problem may
be with the TeXLive version. More about that below.

in the reported 'tree' files in the cache you can check if files like
context.mkiv are present

They weren't.

mtxrun --variables
mtxrun --expansions

Actually, I had already tried that, but I didn't fully understand the
output. Here's an example:

resolvers | lists | LUAINPUTS
resolvers | lists | env: unset
resolvers | lists | var: .;$TEXINPUTS;$TEXMF/scripts/context/lua//
resolvers | lists | exp:
..;.;{home:texmf,!!selfautoparent:texmf-project,!!selfautoparent:texmf-fonts,!!/usr{/local}/share/texmf,!!selfautoparent:texmf-context,!!selfautoparent:texmf-linux,!!selfautoparent:texmf-dist,!!selfautoparent:texmf-dist}/tex/{context,plain/base,generic}//;{home:texmf,!!selfautoparent:texmf-project,!!selfautoparent:texmf-fonts,!!/usr{/local}/share/texmf,!!selfautoparent:texmf-context,!!selfautoparent:texmf-linux,!!selfautoparent:texmf-dist,!!selfautoparent:texmf-dist}/scripts/context/lua//
resolvers | lists | res:
..;.;{/home/matt/texmf,!!./texmf-project,!!./texmf-fonts,!!/usr{/local}/share/texmf,!!./texmf-context,!!./texmf-linux,!!./texmf-dist,!!./texmf-dist}/tex/{context,plain/base,generic}//;{/home/matt/texmf,!!./texmf-project,!!./texmf-fonts,!!/usr{/local}/share/texmf,!!./texmf-context,!!./texmf-linux,!!./texmf-dist,!!./texmf-dist}/scripts/context/lua/

Are the 'selfautoparent' references supposed to be resolved to
specific paths? If so, it certainly appears something was wrong here.

indeed. these prefixes make trees and setups relocatable

so no file database is present or the database has not all files

It was the latter, I suspect due to incorrect path settings in the config file.

does arch-linux use stock texlive or do they adapt it

There are a few, seemingly minor tweaks. There are three patches, all
for luatex:

poppler-0.20.patch
fix-fontforge-encoding.patch
luatex-r4449-radical-rule-thickness.patch

However, these all seem to deal with small graphics/fonts issues and
have no apparent relationship to finding files. There is also a
customized texmf.cnf, but NOT a customized texmfcnf.lua. I think
that's significant.

ok, so maybe there's a difference there

I said above that I ran into a minor problem when I installed the
Contextgarden package. What happened was that I saw two ../bin
directories: /opt/context/bin and /opt/context/tex/texmf-linux/bin .
At first I thought /opt/context/bin was meant to be used, so I added
both directories to my PATH [/opt/context/bin was first]. But that
produced errors. Then I removed /opt/context/bin from PATH, and
everything was fine. So I think I see what's going on: since many of
the path settings in texmfcnf.lua use 'selfauto*' variables, and
correct resolution of those depends on where the executables are
located. So I suspect that the default config file that comes with
ConTeXt in TeXLive assumes that the executables are ... I'm not sure
where, but somewhere other than /usr/bin . I could probably fix that,
but it would take me a while to figure out the correct values.

the opt/context/bin path is used by the first-setup script (that also
does updates) so it should not be in the PATH variable

Anyway, at this point I'm seriously thinking about just forgetting
TeXLive and using the standalone ConTeXt package. I doubt I'll be
using any other TeX packages in the near future, and I'd rather spend
time creating documents than tinkering with config files. Is there
anything in TeXLive that's particularly useful with ConTeXt, that is
not included in the ConTeXt package?

the garden distribution is the most complete (although tex live has
complete snapshots and can be updated too) ... the advantage of the
garden distribution is that you also get the most relevant fonts installed

if you only use mkiv (luatex) then you can do an initial install with
--engine=luatex and you get less files (it must be done when installing
so that updating also uses this minimal setting; pdftex has many -small-
font files and xetex big binaries)

Hans

[NTG-context] Path problems w/ MkIV on Arch Linux

2013-07-31 Thread Matt Gushee

Hello, Folks--

Once again I'm returning to ConTeXt after a long absence [maybe if I
just kept using it I wouldn't have these problems?]. I'm trying to get
started with MkIV; I don't feel a strong need to have the very latest
code, so unless there are serious bugs, I want to use the version
included with TexLive. At any rate, that's what I currently have and
am trying to use. But I am running into issues with files not being
found, e.g.:

$ context --make

mtxrun  | unknown script 'context.lua' or 'mtx-context.lua'

Yes, I ran mtxrun --generate first, though I am a bit confused as to
whether I need to run that *and* luatools --generate, or just one or
the other. Anyway, mtxrun --generate appears to work:

$ mtxrun --generate

resolvers   | resolving | found configuration file
'/usr/share/texmf-dist/web2c/texmfcnf.lua'

system  | lua | compiling
'/var/cache/texmf/luatex-cache/context/0399a8df3aef8d154781d0a9c2b8e28d/trees/5044cbe2799fe389b078f26ff6b9ee8e.lua'
into 
'/var/cache/texmf/luatex-cache/context/0399a8df3aef8d154781d0a9c2b8e28d/trees/5044cbe2799fe389b078f26ff6b9ee8e.luc'
system  | lua | dumping
'/var/cache/texmf/luatex-cache/context/0399a8df3aef8d154781d0a9c2b8e28d/trees/5044cbe2799fe389b078f26ff6b9ee8e.lua'
into 
'/var/cache/texmf/luatex-cache/context/0399a8df3aef8d154781d0a9c2b8e28d/trees/5044cbe2799fe389b078f26ff6b9ee8e.luc'
stripped
resolvers   | caching | 'files' compiled to
'/var/cache/texmf/luatex-cache/context/0399a8df3aef8d154781d0a9c2b8e28d/trees/5044cbe2799fe389b078f26ff6b9ee8e.luc'

This shows that mtxrun finds the correct configuration file--as far as
I know, /usr/share/texmf-dist/web2c/texmfcnf.lua is the only instance
of texmfcnf.lua on my system. And then it uses the value I have set in
texmfcnf.lua to cache its output:

  TEXMFCACHE  = /var/cache/texmf,

-- not used by context at all

TEXMFSYSVAR = $TEXMFCACHE,
TEXMFVAR= $TEXMFCACHE,

So that's good. Yet the 'context' and 'luatools' commands can't find
the lua scripts. Well, I hypothesized that $LUAINPUTS might be wrong,
so I tried this:

LUAINPUTS=/usr/share/texmf-dist/scripts/context/lua luatools --generate

And it seems to work. However:

LUAINPUTS=/usr/share/texmf-dist/scripts/context/lua context --make

resolvers   | resolving | using given filetype 'tex'
resolvers   | resolving | remembering file 'cont-en.mkiv'
resolvers   | resolving | using given filetype 'tex'
resolvers   | resolving | remembering file 'cont-en.tex'
resolvers   | formats | no tex source file with name 'cont-en' (mkiv or tex)
resolvers   | formats | using format path
'/var/cache/texmf/luatex-cache/context/0399a8df3aef8d154781d0a9c2b8e28d/formats/luatex'
resolvers   | resolving | using given filetype 'tex'
resolvers   | resolving | remembering file 'cont-nl.mkiv'
resolvers   | resolving | using given filetype 'tex'
resolvers   | resolving | remembering file 'cont-nl.tex'
resolvers   | formats | no tex source file with name 'cont-nl' (mkiv or tex)
system  | total runtime: 0.239

So now the lua scripts are found, but the context macro files are not.

At this point let me describe how my system is set up. As I said
above, I'm attempting to use the ConTeXt that comes with TexLive. I've
just upgraded TeXLive to the 2013 release, but that does not seem to
affect these issues. Anyway, the executables are in /usr/bin;
/usr/bin/mtxrun is the complete Lua script (i.e. not a symlink or any
sort of stub), which appears to be identical to
$TEXMF/scripts/context/stubs/unix/mtxrun. /usr/bin/luatools and
/usr/bin/context also appear to be copies of their counterparts in the
aforementioned stubs directory.

The TeXLive packages for Arch provide the following trees:

  /usr/share/texmf
  /usr/share/texmf-dist
  /usr/share/texmf-config

Almost everything important is now in /usr/share/texmf-dist, and there
are no ConTeXt-related files in /usr/share/texmf. Accordingly,
texmf.cnf contains the following definitions:

  TEXMFDIST = $TEXMFROOT/texmf-dist
  TEXMFMAIN = $TEXMFDIST
  TEXMFLOCAL = /usr/local/share/texmf;/usr/share/texmf

So I have updated texmfcnf.lua to contain the following:

  TEXMFDIST   = selfautoparent:texmf-dist,
  TEXMFMAIN   = $TEXMFDIST,
  TEXMFLOCAL = /usr{/local}/share/texmf,

I'm not sure if that syntax is correct, but the definition of
TEXMFLOCAL does not appear to affect the issues I'm concerned with
here. Also, I should mention that my main reason for defining
TEXMFLOCAL as I did (as well as TEXMFCACHE = /var/cache/texmf), is
that I feel rather strongly (in keeping with what I understand to be
'Linux best practices') that files which are not managed by the Linux
package manager should not be under /usr. But if by chance that is
causing problems I don't absolutely have to do it that way.

Anyway, somehow important files are not being found. Any suggestions?

--
Matt Gushee

Re: [NTG-context] Path problems w/ MkIV on Arch Linux

2013-07-31 Thread Hans Hagen


On 7/31/2013 10:51 PM, Matt Gushee wrote:


Once again I'm returning to ConTeXt after a long absence [maybe if I
just kept using it I wouldn't have these problems?]. I'm trying to get
started with MkIV; I don't feel a strong need to have the very latest
code, so unless there are serious bugs, I want to use the version
included with TexLive. At any rate, that's what I currently have and
am trying to use. But I am running into issues with files not being
found, e.g.:


as a start you could try the distribution from the garden; at least it's 
a good way to figure out if there is something fishy with your system


there are fundamental differences between tl 2012 and tl 2013 .. did tl 
2012 work ok?



Yes, I ran mtxrun --generate first, though I am a bit confused as to
whether I need to run that *and* luatools --generate, or just one or
the other. Anyway, mtxrun --generate appears to work:


luatools is not needed; mtxrun --generate does the job (and once you 
have context installed normally this is done automatically as is format 
generation)


in the reported 'tree' files in the cache you can check if files like 
context.mkiv are present



This shows that mtxrun finds the correct configuration file--as far as
I know, /usr/share/texmf-dist/web2c/texmfcnf.lua is the only instance
of texmfcnf.lua on my system. And then it uses the value I have set in
texmfcnf.lua to cache its output:


depending on the version of texlive texmf or texmf-dist is used for files

you can run

mtxrun --variables
mtxrun --expansions

to see if there are weird settings (maybe from env vars)


   TEXMFCACHE  = /var/cache/texmf,

 -- not used by context at all

 TEXMFSYSVAR = $TEXMFCACHE,
 TEXMFVAR= $TEXMFCACHE,

So that's good. Yet the 'context' and 'luatools' commands can't find
the lua scripts. Well, I hypothesized that $LUAINPUTS might be wrong,
so I tried this:


messing with LUAINPUTS should not be needed


LUAINPUTS=/usr/share/texmf-dist/scripts/context/lua luatools --generate

And it seems to work. However:

LUAINPUTS=/usr/share/texmf-dist/scripts/context/lua context --make
.
resolvers   | resolving | using given filetype 'tex'
resolvers   | resolving | remembering file 'cont-en.mkiv'
resolvers   | resolving | using given filetype 'tex'
resolvers   | resolving | remembering file 'cont-en.tex'
resolvers   | formats | no tex source file with name 'cont-en' (mkiv or tex)
resolvers   | formats | using format path
'/var/cache/texmf/luatex-cache/context/0399a8df3aef8d154781d0a9c2b8e28d/formats/luatex'
resolvers   | resolving | using given filetype 'tex'
resolvers   | resolving | remembering file 'cont-nl.mkiv'
resolvers   | resolving | using given filetype 'tex'
resolvers   | resolving | remembering file 'cont-nl.tex'
resolvers   | formats | no tex source file with name 'cont-nl' (mkiv or tex)
system  | total runtime: 0.239


so no file database is present or the database has not all files


So now the lua scripts are found, but the context macro files are not.

At this point let me describe how my system is set up. As I said
above, I'm attempting to use the ConTeXt that comes with TexLive. I've
just upgraded TeXLive to the 2013 release, but that does not seem to
affect these issues. Anyway, the executables are in /usr/bin;
/usr/bin/mtxrun is the complete Lua script (i.e. not a symlink or any
sort of stub), which appears to be identical to
$TEXMF/scripts/context/stubs/unix/mtxrun. /usr/bin/luatools and
/usr/bin/context also appear to be copies of their counterparts in the
aforementioned stubs directory.


upgrading texlive means wiping out the old one .. maybe there are traces 
of older texlives? maybe in some local texmf tree in home?



The TeXLive packages for Arch provide the following trees:

   /usr/share/texmf
   /usr/share/texmf-dist
   /usr/share/texmf-config

Almost everything important is now in /usr/share/texmf-dist, and there
are no ConTeXt-related files in /usr/share/texmf. Accordingly,
texmf.cnf contains the following definitions:

   TEXMFDIST = $TEXMFROOT/texmf-dist
   TEXMFMAIN = $TEXMFDIST
   TEXMFLOCAL = /usr/local/share/texmf;/usr/share/texmf

So I have updated texmfcnf.lua to contain the following:

   TEXMFDIST   = selfautoparent:texmf-dist,
   TEXMFMAIN   = $TEXMFDIST,
   TEXMFLOCAL = /usr{/local}/share/texmf,


texmflocal is normally not used (afaik)

it could relate to the texmf/texmf-dist changes (although we made sure 
that we adapted the scripts etc to support that rather fundamental 
change in texlive 2013)



I'm not sure if that syntax is correct, but the definition of
TEXMFLOCAL does not appear to affect the issues I'm concerned with
here. Also, I should mention that my main reason for defining


indeed (in the garden distribution we also have trees like texmf-context 
for context, texmf-fonts for user fonts, texmf-project for project 
specific files, while texmf-local is

Re: [NTG-context] Path problems w/ MkIV on Arch Linux

2013-07-31 Thread Marco Patzer

On 2013–07–31 Matt Gushee wrote:

 Once again I'm returning to ConTeXt after a long absence [maybe if I
 just kept using it I wouldn't have these problems?]. I'm trying to get
 started with MkIV; I don't feel a strong need to have the very latest
 code, so unless there are serious bugs, I want to use the version
 included with TexLive. At any rate, that's what I currently have and
 am trying to use. But I am running into issues with files not being
 found, e.g.:

ConTeXt works out-of-the-box with TeXLive 2013. You can try a clean
install from http://tug.org/texlive (into a separate directory) and
check if that works.

Marco


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Re: [NTG-context] Path problems w/ MkIV on Arch Linux

2013-07-31 Thread Matt Gushee

Thanks, Hans ...

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
On 7/31/2013 10:51 PM, Matt Gushee wrote:

as a start you could try the distribution from the garden; at least it's a
good way to figure out if there is something fishy with your system

Okay, I've installed that, and it works fine ... though I had a small
glitch along the way that gives me an idea about what the problem may
be with the TeXLive version. More about that below.

in the reported 'tree' files in the cache you can check if files like
context.mkiv are present

They weren't.

mtxrun --variables
mtxrun --expansions

Actually, I had already tried that, but I didn't fully understand the
output. Here's an example:

resolvers | lists | LUAINPUTS
resolvers | lists | env: unset
resolvers | lists | var: .;$TEXINPUTS;$TEXMF/scripts/context/lua//
resolvers | lists | exp:
.;.;{home:texmf,!!selfautoparent:texmf-project,!!selfautoparent:texmf-fonts,!!/usr{/local}/share/texmf,!!selfautoparent:texmf-context,!!selfautoparent:texmf-linux,!!selfautoparent:texmf-dist,!!selfautoparent:texmf-dist}/tex/{context,plain/base,generic}//;{home:texmf,!!selfautoparent:texmf-project,!!selfautoparent:texmf-fonts,!!/usr{/local}/share/texmf,!!selfautoparent:texmf-context,!!selfautoparent:texmf-linux,!!selfautoparent:texmf-dist,!!selfautoparent:texmf-dist}/scripts/context/lua//
resolvers | lists | res:
.;.;{/home/matt/texmf,!!./texmf-project,!!./texmf-fonts,!!/usr{/local}/share/texmf,!!./texmf-context,!!./texmf-linux,!!./texmf-dist,!!./texmf-dist}/tex/{context,plain/base,generic}//;{/home/matt/texmf,!!./texmf-project,!!./texmf-fonts,!!/usr{/local}/share/texmf,!!./texmf-context,!!./texmf-linux,!!./texmf-dist,!!./texmf-dist}/scripts/context/lua/

Are the 'selfautoparent' references supposed to be resolved to
specific paths? If so, it certainly appears something was wrong here.

so no file database is present or the database has not all files

It was the latter, I suspect due to incorrect path settings in the config file.

does arch-linux use stock texlive or do they adapt it

There are a few, seemingly minor tweaks. There are three patches, all
for luatex:

poppler-0.20.patch
fix-fontforge-encoding.patch
luatex-r4449-radical-rule-thickness.patch

Anyway, many thanks for your prompt attention!

--
Matt Gushee
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Re: [NTG-context] Path problems w/ MkIV on Arch Linux

2013-07-31 Thread Aditya Mahajan


On Wed, 31 Jul 2013, Matt Gushee wrote:


Anyway, at this point I'm seriously thinking about just forgetting
TeXLive and using the standalone ConTeXt package.


You can also try the context-minimals-git package from AUR. It installs 
context minimals at /opt/context-minimal/, works in parallel with TL, and 
has the advantage that it can be removed using the package manager.


Aditya
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