Re: [NTG-context] Semi-verbatim - preserve whitespace - don't escape characters

2007-12-08 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
2007/12/7, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi.

 I'm working on a document processor that has multiple backends
 for different output formats (XHTML, nroff, plain text, ConTeXt).

 The processor uses s-expression syntax with commands such as:

   (para this is a paragraph)

 The various backends then convert this statement in their own
 way (using p/p tags in XHTML, for example).

 There is one command that allows rendering of external files
 based on whatever backend is selected:

   (render file)

 The XHTML backend includes file, escaping all 'illegal' characters
 such as , ,  etc. The ConTeXt backend reads the file and also
 escapes characters, placing their TeX equivalent in the output -
 $\}$, $\backslash$ etc. Both backends place the contents of file
 directly in the output, they don't, for example, use the object
 tags in XHTML, or any ConTeXt file inclusion directives. This is
 desirable for many reasons that are out of scope for this post...

 The problem I am having is that one may do this:

   (para-verbatim (render file))

 The para-verbatim tag is meant to preserve whitespace in the output.

 For example, this becomes:

   precontents of file/pre

 in the XHTML output. Unfortunately, I've hit a wall when it comes
 to the ConTeXt equivalent: The ConTeXt backend reads
 in file and prints it to the output, escaping all reserved TeX
 characters, as mentioned earlier, but unfortunately there doesn't
 seem to be the equivalent of:

   \preservewhitespace
   contents of file
   \stoppreservingwhitespace

 \starttyping is too heavy handed in that it also escapes characters
 rather than just preserving whitespace (they've already been escaped
 by my document processor, as mentioned earlier). What I need is a
 directive that says preserve whitespace but does not escape reserved
 TeX characters.

 Does any such thing exist in ConTeXt? Unfortunately, I'm inexperienced
 with TeX so I don't know how feasible this is.

\startlines
verbatin text
\stoplines

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Semi-verbatim - preserve whitespace - don't escape characters

2007-12-08 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 2007/12/7, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi.

 I'm working on a document processor that has multiple backends
 for different output formats (XHTML, nroff, plain text, ConTeXt).

 The processor uses s-expression syntax with commands such as:

   (para this is a paragraph)

 The various backends then convert this statement in their own
 way (using p/p tags in XHTML, for example).

 There is one command that allows rendering of external files
 based on whatever backend is selected:

   (render file)

 The XHTML backend includes file, escaping all 'illegal' characters
 such as , ,  etc. The ConTeXt backend reads the file and also
 escapes characters, placing their TeX equivalent in the output -
 $\}$, $\backslash$ etc. Both backends place the contents of file
 directly in the output, they don't, for example, use the object
 tags in XHTML, or any ConTeXt file inclusion directives. This is
 desirable for many reasons that are out of scope for this post...

 The problem I am having is that one may do this:

   (para-verbatim (render file))

 The para-verbatim tag is meant to preserve whitespace in the output.

 For example, this becomes:

   precontents of file/pre

 in the XHTML output. Unfortunately, I've hit a wall when it comes
 to the ConTeXt equivalent: The ConTeXt backend reads
 in file and prints it to the output, escaping all reserved TeX
 characters, as mentioned earlier, but unfortunately there doesn't
 seem to be the equivalent of:

   \preservewhitespace
   contents of file
   \stoppreservingwhitespace

 \starttyping is too heavy handed in that it also escapes characters
 rather than just preserving whitespace (they've already been escaped
 by my document processor, as mentioned earlier). What I need is a
 directive that says preserve whitespace but does not escape reserved
 TeX characters.

 Does any such thing exist in ConTeXt? Unfortunately, I'm inexperienced
 with TeX so I don't know how feasible this is.

\setuplines[space=yes]

followed by

 \startlines
 verbatin text
 \stoplines

Note that everything between start-stop lines is normal tex code.

Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Semi-verbatim - preserve whitespace - don't escape characters

2007-12-08 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:44:52 -0500 (EST)
Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 
  2007/12/7, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Hi.
 
  I'm working on a document processor that has multiple backends
  for different output formats (XHTML, nroff, plain text, ConTeXt).
 
  The processor uses s-expression syntax with commands such as:
 
(para this is a paragraph)
 
  The various backends then convert this statement in their own
  way (using p/p tags in XHTML, for example).
 
  There is one command that allows rendering of external files
  based on whatever backend is selected:
 
(render file)
 
  The XHTML backend includes file, escaping all 'illegal' characters
  such as , ,  etc. The ConTeXt backend reads the file and also
  escapes characters, placing their TeX equivalent in the output -
  $\}$, $\backslash$ etc. Both backends place the contents of file
  directly in the output, they don't, for example, use the object
  tags in XHTML, or any ConTeXt file inclusion directives. This is
  desirable for many reasons that are out of scope for this post...
 
  The problem I am having is that one may do this:
 
(para-verbatim (render file))
 
  The para-verbatim tag is meant to preserve whitespace in the output.
 
  For example, this becomes:
 
precontents of file/pre
 
  in the XHTML output. Unfortunately, I've hit a wall when it comes
  to the ConTeXt equivalent: The ConTeXt backend reads
  in file and prints it to the output, escaping all reserved TeX
  characters, as mentioned earlier, but unfortunately there doesn't
  seem to be the equivalent of:
 
\preservewhitespace
contents of file
\stoppreservingwhitespace
 
  \starttyping is too heavy handed in that it also escapes characters
  rather than just preserving whitespace (they've already been escaped
  by my document processor, as mentioned earlier). What I need is a
  directive that says preserve whitespace but does not escape reserved
  TeX characters.
 
  Does any such thing exist in ConTeXt? Unfortunately, I'm inexperienced
  with TeX so I don't know how feasible this is.
 
 \setuplines[space=yes]
 
 followed by
 
  \startlines
  verbatin text
  \stoplines
 
 Note that everything between start-stop lines is normal tex code.

you mean start/stoplines need style and color keys.

 Aditya

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Semi-verbatim - preserve whitespace - don't escape characters

2007-12-08 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:44:52 -0500 (EST)
 Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 \startlines
 verbatin text
 \stoplines

 Note that everything between start-stop lines is normal tex code.

 you mean start/stoplines need style and color keys.

That would not be bad :) but it is not what I meant. I meant that it is 
the author's (or in the case the convertor's) responsibility to make sure 
that everything inside is valid tex code. So something like

\startlines
\undefinedmacro blah blah
\stoplines

will not work.

Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Semi-verbatim - preserve whitespace - don't escape characters

2007-12-08 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:30:38 -0500 (EST)
Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 
  On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:44:52 -0500 (EST)
  Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  \startlines
  verbatin text
  \stoplines
 
  Note that everything between start-stop lines is normal tex code.
 
  you mean start/stoplines need style and color keys.
 
 That would not be bad :) but it is not what I meant. I meant that it is 
 the author's (or in the case the convertor's) responsibility to make sure 
 that everything inside is valid tex code. So something like

I know but setup keys are the best way to change the layout of
environemnts and keep the document clean. Using a converter is no
answer why you should't you this mechanism and write the styyle change
in the document and not in preamble.

 \startlines
 \undefinedmacro blah blah
 \stoplines
 
 will not work.
 
 Aditya

As Dexter? already mentioned, he writes the escaped commands in the
document \undefinedmacro will end up as \tex{undefinedmacro} or
\type{\undefinedmacro} in the output file.

Wolfgang

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