Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt name/branding
Hi Scott, that's a good idea, we should rename it to 'latex 3'. That name is still free and it would fill the expectations of almost all TeX users out there. Patrick ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt name/branding
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Patrick Gundlach patr...@gundla.ch wrote: Hi Scott, that's a good idea, we should rename it to 'latex 3'. That name is still free and it would fill the expectations of almost all TeX users out there. '3' seems to be unfortunate. What about L(u)ATeX-mkiv ? -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt name/branding
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:27, Patrick Gundlach wrote: Hi Scott, that's a good idea, we should rename it to 'latex 3'. That name is still free and it would fill the expectations of almost all TeX users out there. +1 And I'm sure that the number of users would greatly increase :) :) :) Whenever I tell someone that I'm not using LaTeX any more and that I use something better instead, nobody ever believes me. (There cannot exist any program that's better than LaTeX. That's one of the first few axioms in mathematics :) If I told them I was using LaTeX 3, it would gain everyone's attention and everyone would want to see how it looks (still LaTeX, but probably better since it carries a bigger version number). Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt name/branding
On 04/27/2010 10:48 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:27, Patrick Gundlach wrote: Hi Scott, that's a good idea, we should rename it to 'latex 3'. That name is still free and it would fill the expectations of almost all TeX users out there. +1 I think you err. LaTeX 3 is already taken (http://www.latex-project.org/latex3.html) - how about LaTeX IV? Tobias ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt name/branding
2010/4/27 Tobias Burnus bur...@net-b.de: I think you err. LaTeX 3 is already taken (http://www.latex-project.org/latex3.html) - how about LaTeX IV? This one actually sounds good! -- Vedran Miletić ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt name/branding
On 27-4-2010 11:31, Vedran Miletić wrote: 2010/4/27 Tobias Burnusbur...@net-b.de: I think you err. LaTeX 3 is already taken (http://www.latex-project.org/latex3.html) - how about LaTeX IV? This one actually sounds good! but given the original post it then should be latex iv i.e. no funny uppercase - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt name/branding
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:35:37AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 27-4-2010 11:31, Vedran Miletić wrote: 2010/4/27 Tobias Burnusbur...@net-b.de: I think you err. LaTeX 3 is already taken (http://www.latex-project.org/latex3.html) - how about LaTeX IV? This one actually sounds good! but given the original post it then should be latex iv i.e. no funny uppercase Metatex IV Pro, this sounds professional (the non-pro can be the plain variant). -- Khaled Hosny Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team Free font developer ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt name/branding
Hello, my opinion is that ConTeXt including capitalization of some preselected letters is OK. Imagine - how new mode of work brings ConTeXt (and other TeX family) to someone who knows only or has been working with Word before! If it's to much to someone to remember correct ConTeXt writing (or to use \context macro - I never used it before, so I'm not sure whether such a macro exists; if it doesn't, it might be useful to define it; like \LaTeX in LaTeX), than it's probable one will not want to see-through the whole typesetting system (and more, ConTeXt may be a bit simpler for usage than LaTeX) and to learn how to typeset in this system (as he may be used to click an icon by mouse to get the required operation). Also - if someone sees ConTeXt written, he may ask why some letters are capitalized. Especially seeing TeX should be preserved as it demonstrates relation to TeX; first letter uppercase (C) is common in (majority) of program names; and thus I'd keep the whole ConTeXt as I feel it as a mark. Please take all above as my personal opinion; I don't like to touch anyone's point of view. Lukas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt name/branding
or to use \context macro - I never used it before, so I'm not sure whether such a macro exists; if it doesn't, it might be useful to define it; like \LaTeX in LaTeX It's actually \CONTEXT, all uppercase. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt name/branding
On 27-4-2010 12:41, Scott Steele wrote: Sidenote: If anyone has ever considered changing the name of the ConTeXt project, I'd like to support that. Name consistency is important, but there are two unnecessary problems that the current name creates. the implication of a name change is quite big The first is that the unusual capitalization and pronunciation are a barrier to new users. I've used macro packages in the TeX family for about four years now (though it seems much longer! I can't believe for how long I was putting out such ugly papers!), but I'm now consciously trying to remember to pronounce them as tecks, latecks, zeetecks, conteckst, etc, and to type them as Tex, Latex, Xetex, and Context (outside of this message/forum). The odd capitalization doen't win fans among people who appreciate typographic tradition, and the pronunciation requires that, instead of explaining first how powerful and useful these systems are, one explain the Greek chi and Donald Knuth. It doesn't give a good impression when one's first exposure to TeX involves being told one is wrong in how one pronounces a word that is less than 40 years old (The same goes for many open source projects). Further, if the name is brought up in conversation and piques the interest of a potential user, they will have a difficult time later searching for it when they type in contekt or conteckt. well, nobody here cares much if you type ConTeXt as CONTEXT (small caps) or context (verbatim or whatever) concerning the pronouciation ... the x is not like in tex, it's just x (ks or whatever) ... we're not that picky and there are no rules other than that it should look right in your text if you refer to it The second problem with the ConTeXt name is its shared spelling with context. When I google context and font, I get so many pages imploring me to consider the context of my document when choosing between Arial, Times New Roman, and Comic Sans. Many of the things I'll be searching for while using ConTeXt yield thousands of irrelevant pages because of how context can pop up in so many topics that share major keywords with the typesetting process.. well, googling on latex is also somewhat special ... as we now have context mkiv, you have a better change for a hit Of course, I myself am in no position to advocate a name change, and if the two issues I listed are the price for having a cutting-edge typesetting system, then I'm still a pretty happy camper. But if any of the people who have actually worked really hard to put this together have ever thought about bringing up a branding change, here's my two pence. changing a name will bring way to much work with it (changing web pages, manuals, filenames, lots of code, script names, habits etc) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
