Re: [NTG-context] MAC (preview, finder) and ConTeXt pdf
On Fri, 31 May 2013 06:17:49 +0200 Otared Kavian ota...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 mai 2013, at 22:40, Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr wrote: […] It is not too surprising that the Mac is buggy, but this is somewhat worrisome. I don't think the Mac, or the Mac OS X, is buggy… until it is proved that the problem is a real one on all Macs. The documents produced by mkiv or mkii, the ones I produce and the ones produced by Hans and others are searchable, and text can be copied and pasted elsewhere. OK, the situation with the Mac is very strange. Today (an odd day), we can search for *some* text, but not all words are found. It does not have to do with special characters or formatting. Simple words. And the result in the finder does not always correspond to that of preview. No problem copying and then pasting text. Investigating the question of fonts, I produced alternate versions using different fonts. All of these new files are indexed correctly, including a reprocessed version using dejavu. They were all produced using the same context standalone macros and binaries (as previously) and without any changes to the source files. My conclusion is that it is somehow a problem with some sort of cache on the Mac (that is how searching is quick), indeed a *bug* somehow corrupting this cache. So the problem must be real but highly irreproducible, being highly contingent. The new files were, of course, not indexed and cached. Conclusion, there is some sort of problem on Macs, but it is *not* with ConTeXt. Good! Alan P.S. Hans must be thinking that I have a problem with *odd* days... ;) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] MAC (preview, finder) and ConTeXt pdf
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Alan BRASLAU wrote: OK, the situation with the Mac is very strange. Today (an odd day), we can search for *some* text, but not all words are found. It does not have to do with special characters or formatting. Simple words. And the result in the finder does not always correspond to that of preview. What exactly do you mean with search in finder? Searching for all documents on your computer containing a specific word? Do you also have problems searching for specific words in preview or not (you said that results are different)? I just remembered that sometimes (long ago) I had some kind of problems due to some tiny kerning/boxes inserted into PDF between characters to compensate for whatever (microtypography or just random corrections to fix the second/third decimal of precision in positioning). That sometimes confused readers which considered the text to be two or three words when it was in fact one. But I don't know if that is related. One can sometimes see that in google search showing html version of a pdf document with seemingly randomly distributed spaces. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] MAC (preview, finder) and ConTeXt pdf
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:53:31 +0200 Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Alan BRASLAU wrote: OK, the situation with the Mac is very strange. Today (an odd day), we can search for *some* text, but not all words are found. It does not have to do with special characters or formatting. Simple words. And the result in the finder does not always correspond to that of preview. What exactly do you mean with search in finder? Searching for all documents on your computer containing a specific word? I am not a Mac user so I do not know all of the proper App jargon. I mean exactly opening the finder (file manager for normal people) and searching for all documents containing a specific word. (The word was scarce and scarcity, not too frequent in his files... Ha, Ha!) Do you also have problems searching for specific words in preview or not (you said that results are different)? Yes, and it depends on the specific word and only in certain files (on certain days). I thus suspect a corrupted MacOS cache file... I just remembered that sometimes (long ago) I had some kind of problems due to some tiny kerning/boxes inserted into PDF between characters to compensate for whatever (microtypography or just random corrections to fix the second/third decimal of precision in positioning). That sometimes confused readers which considered the text to be two or three words when it was in fact one. But I don't know if that is related. One can sometimes see that in google search showing html version of a pdf document with seemingly randomly distributed spaces. No, there is no problem using non-MacOS applications such as Adobe Reader. Indeed, it does not appear to be a PDF problem but a MacOS problem. As I am not interested in debugging the Mac, and I have now convinced myself that there is no problem with the ConTeXt produced PDF, I have told my colleague to be careful and *not* to rely on his search tool. Maybe it is just his Mac that is corrupt. (Could also be an underlying file system problem.) Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] MAC (preview, finder) and ConTeXt pdf
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr wrote: (The word was scarce and scarcity, not too frequent in his files... Ha, Ha!) My surname, btw. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] MAC (preview, finder) and ConTeXt pdf
Am 31.05.2013 um 18:24 schrieb Mica Semrick paperdig...@gmail.com: Have you tried clearing your font cache? It is explained at http://www.extensis.com/support/knowledge-base/clearing-the-mac-os-x-font-cache/ You can also start in safe mode [1] which clears the font caches. [1] http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1455?viewlocale=en_US Wolfgang___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] MAC (preview, finder) and ConTeXt pdf
Hi Alan, I do use mkiv n Mac OS X and PDFs do not show the problem you mention: they are searchable and text can be copied from them without any problem. If you send me an example of PDF file which shows this kind of problem, I can test it on my machine and the n let you know. Best regards: OK On 30 mai 2013, at 14:00, Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr wrote: Hello, A colleague who uses a very recent MacBook with the latest MacOS has a problem with PDF files that I provide produced with ConTeXt/luatex. It appears that he cannot search for words (text) in the document, neither with preview nor in the finder (they must be based on the same code). However, I had him install Adobe Reader, and using this he can search for text in the ConTeXt produced document, so I do not believe that the PDF has a problem, rather this is a bug with the Apple PDF tools. Does anyone else using MacOS have any experience with this? Or can you all search for text (words) within ConTeXt produced PDF documents using preview and the finder? Thank you Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] MAC (preview, finder) and ConTeXt pdf
I do not have this problem with the documents I produce on my Mac. I have had it with some (but not all) documents on ConTeXt sites, such as Hans' ConTeXt Lua Documents. Also I can select text but copy/paste does not work. Perhaps it has to do with fonts. Michael On May 30, 2013, at 5:00 AM, Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr wrote: Hello, A colleague who uses a very recent MacBook with the latest MacOS has a problem with PDF files that I provide produced with ConTeXt/luatex. It appears that he cannot search for words (text) in the document, neither with preview nor in the finder (they must be based on the same code). However, I had him install Adobe Reader, and using this he can search for text in the ConTeXt produced document, so I do not believe that the PDF has a problem, rather this is a bug with the Apple PDF tools. Does anyone else using MacOS have any experience with this? Or can you all search for text (words) within ConTeXt produced PDF documents using preview and the finder? Thank you Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] MAC (preview, finder) and ConTeXt pdf
On Thu, 30 May 2013 18:35:19 + Rogers, Michael K mrog...@emory.edu wrote: I do not have this problem with the documents I produce on my Mac. I have had it with some (but not all) documents on ConTeXt sites, such as Hans' ConTeXt Lua Documents. Also I can select text but copy/paste does not work. Perhaps it has to do with fonts. The problem seems strange: there is no difficulty in viewing or printing, but searches for words fail. I did not try copying. Thank you all for the feedback. My document uses dejavu - I will investigate this suggestion about fonts. It is not too surprising that the Mac is buggy, but this is somewhat worrisome. Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] MAC (preview, finder) and ConTeXt pdf
On 5/30/2013 10:40 PM, Alan BRASLAU wrote: Thank you all for the feedback. My document uses dejavu - I will investigate this suggestion about fonts. It is not too surprising that the Mac is buggy, but this is somewhat worrisome. indeed .. it should work (given that the viewer is ok) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] MAC (preview, finder) and ConTeXt pdf
On 30 mai 2013, at 22:40, Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr wrote: […] It is not too surprising that the Mac is buggy, but this is somewhat worrisome. I don't think the Mac, or the Mac OS X, is buggy… until it is proved that the problem is a real one on all Macs. The documents produced by mkiv or mkii, the ones I produce and the ones produced by Hans and others are searchable, and text can be copied and pasted elsewhere. Best regards: OK ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
