Re: [NTG-context] Marking a textfragment for later reference
On 7 aug. 2012, 12:47:06 Sietse Brouwer sbbrou...@gmail.com wrote I guess that was never baked in. Probably because quotations are not really numbered objects, and so not obvious candidates for having their own labels. Cheers, Sietse Hi Sietse, Thanks for your answer and your patience. It is clear now: marking a textfragment for later reference by means of a delimited text is not necessary and therefore not enabled. Thanks again. Best regards, Robert ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Marking a textfragment for later reference
On 6 aug. 2012, Robert Blackstone blackstone.rob...@gmail.com
wrote
On 6 aug. 2012, Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:16:09 +020
Wolfgang Schuster wolfgang.schus...@gmail.com wrote
Am 06.08.2012 um 09:41 schrieb Robert Blackstone
blackstone.rob...@gmail.com:
Thank you Marco. Another very useful tool for me. I realize now that many
things with labels can be used as anchors for references, and I'm still a
bit surprised that a delimited text with a label cannot be used that way.
Where has the delimited text in your example a label?
Wolfgang
I had not included a minimal example but I had run some trials. Since they
did not work, and you gave me a good solution, I trashed them. I kept the
pdf's though, in which I included the source. So I can reconstruct the
examples.
I'll try to make it again tomorrow morning. I would be interested to learn
what sort of errors I committed.
Kind regards,
Robert Blackstone
Here follows my minimal example. I reasoned that the identifier [topica] might
act as a label, or an anchor, or whatever the correct ConTeXt name is, for a
reference.
---
\definedelimitedtext[topica]
\setupdelimitedtext[topica][left=,right=] %maybe superfluous? I do not need a
layout different from the rest of the text.
\starttext
Some text.
\starttopica
Some text to explain a certain topic, called topica.
\stoptopica
Some more text about topica. (See discussion on \at{page}[topica])
\stoptext
---
To avoid any misunderstanding: this is no longer a problem since I have been
given excellent advice. But it intrigues me. Why can some identifiers, for
example of figures, be used for internal references and others not?
Best regards,
Robert Blackstone
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Re: [NTG-context] Marking a textfragment for later reference
On Tue 07 Aug 2012, Robert Blackstone wrote:
Here follows my minimal example. I reasoned that the identifier [topica]
might act as a label, or an anchor, or whatever the correct ConTeXt name is,
for a reference.
---
\definedelimitedtext[topica]
\setupdelimitedtext[topica][left=,right=] %maybe superfluous? I do not need a
layout different from the rest of the text.
\starttext
Some text.
\starttopica
Some text to explain a certain topic, called topica.
\stoptopica
Some more text about topica. (See discussion on \at{page}[topica])
\stoptext
---
To avoid any misunderstanding: this is no longer a problem since I have been
given excellent advice. But it intrigues me. Why can some identifiers, for
example of figures, be used for internal references and others not?
In this case, I'd say it's because you're defining a delimited text
style which can be used in multiple places. Your document could have
five hundred \starttopica...\stoptopica blocks on different pages.
A figure identifier, on the other hand, is meant to be unique.
Pont
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Re: [NTG-context] Marking a textfragment for later reference
On 7 aug. 2012, Pontus Lurcock p...@talvi.net
wrote
On Tue 07 Aug 2012, Robert Blackstone wrote:
Here follows my minimal example. I reasoned that the identifier [topica]
might act as a label, or an anchor, or whatever the correct ConTeXt name is,
for a reference.
---
\definedelimitedtext[topica]
\setupdelimitedtext[topica][left=,right=] %maybe superfluous? I do not need
a layout different from the rest of the text.
\starttext
Some text.
\starttopica
Some text to explain a certain topic, called topica.
\stoptopica
Some more text about topica. (See discussion on \at{page}[topica])
\stoptext
---
To avoid any misunderstanding: this is no longer a problem since I have been
given excellent advice. But it intrigues me. Why can some identifiers, for
example of figures, be used for internal references and others not?
In this case, I'd say it's because you're defining a delimited text
style which can be used in multiple places. Your document could have
five hundred \starttopica...\stoptopica blocks on different pages.
A figure identifier, on the other hand, is meant to be unique.
Pont
Hi Pont,
Thanks for your comment. I realized this. There would of course be only one
\starttopica...\stoptopica block in my text. If I would like to use delimited
texts in this manner for several different topics, I would simply give them
different names. Each topic its own name, like [topicb], [topicc], etc. Like
you would do if you wanted to use slightly different types of blockquote in
your document.
So my question: Why can some identifiers, for example of figures, be used for
internal references and others not? remains unanswered.
Best regards,
Robert
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Re: [NTG-context] Marking a textfragment for later reference
Hi Robert,
So my question: Why can some identifiers,
for example of figures, be used for internal
references and others not? remains unanswered.
That would be because there are
* names, for creating a named variant of some command
* and labels, which are used for cross-references,
and I think you are calling them both identifiers. (Not sure I'm using
the official terms, or if there are any.)
Some examples below, I hope they'll clarify things. I never had any
problems confusing labels and names myself, so I'm not sure how to
explain what was obvious to me, but perhaps this will help:
Names occur when you're defining things; Labels occur when you're
placing things.
As for why you can't do
\definedelimitedtext[AA]
\startAA[mylabel]
bla
\stopAA
I guess that was never baked in. Probably because quotations are not
really numbered objects, and so not obvious candidates for having
their own labels.
Cheers,
Sietse
%%% Example: label %
\placefigure
[here]
[fig:myfig] % label: used to refer to the figure
{caption}{figure}
%%% Example: command like \startNAME %
\definedelimitedtext
[smallquote] % name
[style=small]
\startsmallquote % our own named environment
bla bla bla
\stopsmallquote
% Example: names and labels %
\useexternalfigure
[littlecow] % define a named picture
[cow.pdf]
[width=1cm]
\placefigure
[here]
[fig:littlecow] % a label for the figure float
{Kleine, kleine koe}
{\externalfigure[littlecow]} % invoking a named picture
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On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Robert Blackstone
blackstone.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
On 7 aug. 2012, Pontus Lurcock p...@talvi.net
wrote
On Tue 07 Aug 2012, Robert Blackstone wrote:
Here follows my minimal example. I reasoned that the identifier [topica]
might act as a label, or an anchor, or whatever the correct ConTeXt name
is, for a reference.
---
\definedelimitedtext[topica]
\setupdelimitedtext[topica][left=,right=] %maybe superfluous? I do not need
a layout different from the rest of the text.
\starttext
Some text.
\starttopica
Some text to explain a certain topic, called topica.
\stoptopica
Some more text about topica. (See discussion on \at{page}[topica])
\stoptext
---
To avoid any misunderstanding: this is no longer a problem since I have
been given excellent advice. But it intrigues me. Why can some identifiers,
for example of figures, be used for internal references and others not?
In this case, I'd say it's because you're defining a delimited text
style which can be used in multiple places. Your document could have
five hundred \starttopica...\stoptopica blocks on different pages.
A figure identifier, on the other hand, is meant to be unique.
Pont
Hi Pont,
Thanks for your comment. I realized this. There would of course be only one
\starttopica...\stoptopica block in my text. If I would like to use
delimited texts in this manner for several different topics, I would simply
give them different names. Each topic its own name, like [topicb], [topicc],
etc. Like you would do if you wanted to use slightly different types of
blockquote in your document.
So my question: Why can some identifiers, for example of figures, be used
for internal references and others not? remains unanswered.
Best regards,
Robert
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Re: [NTG-context] Marking a textfragment for later reference
Am 07.08.2012 um 09:42 schrieb Robert Blackstone blackstone.rob...@gmail.com: On 6 aug. 2012, Robert Blackstone blackstone.rob...@gmail.com wrote On 6 aug. 2012, Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:16:09 +020 Wolfgang Schuster wolfgang.schus...@gmail.com wrote Am 06.08.2012 um 09:41 schrieb Robert Blackstone blackstone.rob...@gmail.com: Thank you Marco. Another very useful tool for me. I realize now that many things with labels can be used as anchors for references, and I'm still a bit surprised that a delimited text with a label cannot be used that way. Where has the delimited text in your example a label? Wolfgang I had not included a minimal example but I had run some trials. Since they did not work, and you gave me a good solution, I trashed them. I kept the pdf's though, in which I included the source. So I can reconstruct the examples. I'll try to make it again tomorrow morning. I would be interested to learn what sort of errors I committed. Kind regards, Robert Blackstone Here follows my minimal example. I reasoned that the identifier [topica] might act as a label, or an anchor, or whatever the correct ConTeXt name is, for a reference. --- \definedelimitedtext[topica] \setupdelimitedtext[topica][left=,right=] %maybe superfluous? I do not need a layout different from the rest of the text. Here you’re telling context to create the new delimitedtext environment \starttopica … \stoptopica. The first argument for both commands (\define and \setup) is the new of the environment which you want to create or change. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Marking a textfragment for later reference
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:38:12 +0200
Marco Patzer home...@lavabit.com
wrote
Am 05.08.2012 um 16:05 schrieb Robert Blackstone
blackstone.rob...@gmail.com:
How can I refer to some text, for example a discussion of a particular
topic, on another page or in another chapter of my document with, for
instance (See discussion on page xx)?
Hi Robert,
\starttext
See \in{section}[sec:foo] on \at{page}[sec:foo]
or the text on \at{page}[ref:a].
\page
\startsection [title=Foo, reference=sec:foo]
\stopsection
\page
Some text\reference[ref:a]
\stoptext
Thank you Marco. Another very useful tool for me. I realize now that many
things with labels can be used as anchors for references, and I'm still a bit
surprised that a delimited text with a label cannot be used that way.
Anyway, your and Wolfgang Schuster's advice give me all I need on this point.
Kind regards,
Robert Blackstone
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Re: [NTG-context] Marking a textfragment for later reference
Am 06.08.2012 um 09:41 schrieb Robert Blackstone blackstone.rob...@gmail.com: Thank you Marco. Another very useful tool for me. I realize now that many things with labels can be used as anchors for references, and I'm still a bit surprised that a delimited text with a label cannot be used that way. Where has the delimited text in your example a label? Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Marking a textfragment for later reference
On 6 aug. 2012, Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:16:09 +020 Wolfgang Schuster wolfgang.schus...@gmail.com wrote Am 06.08.2012 um 09:41 schrieb Robert Blackstone blackstone.rob...@gmail.com: Thank you Marco. Another very useful tool for me. I realize now that many things with labels can be used as anchors for references, and I'm still a bit surprised that a delimited text with a label cannot be used that way. Where has the delimited text in your example a label? Wolfgang I had not included a minimal example but I had run some trials. Since they did not work, and you gave me a good solution, I trashed them. I kept the pdf's though, in which I included the source. So I can reconstruct the examples. I'll try to make it again tomorrow morning. I would be interested to learn what sort of errors I committed. Kind regards, Robert Blackstone ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Marking a textfragment for later reference
Am 05.08.2012 um 16:05 schrieb Robert Blackstone blackstone.rob...@gmail.com:
Dear list,
How can I refer to some text, for example a discussion of a particular topic,
on another page or in another chapter of my document with, for instance (See
discussion on page xx)?
I tried to do this by marking the relevant text as a delimited text without
altering its layout:
\definedelimitedtext[topica]
\setupdelimitedtext[topica][left=,right=] %maybe superfluous?
\starttopica
some text
\stoptopica
and then, further on, referring to that text with (See discussion on
\at{page}[topica])
But this does not work (mkiv 27-07).
With \definedelimtedtext you can create your own quote and quotation command or
environment.
You can set your own references in the text with \pagereference:
\starttext
This is the first topic.\pagereference[topic:1]
\page
This is another topic.\pagereference[topic:2]
\blank
This example contains two topic, the first topic is on \at{page}[topic:1] and
the second on \at{page}[topic:2].
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Marking a textfragment for later reference
Hi Robert,
\starttext
See \in{section}[sec:foo] on \at{page}[sec:foo]
or the text on \at{page}[ref:a].
\page
\startsection [title=Foo, reference=sec:foo]
\stopsection
\page
Some text\reference[ref:a]
\stoptext
Marco
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Re: [NTG-context] Marking a textfragment for later reference
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:37:36 +0200
Wolfgang Schuster wolfgang.schus...@gmail.com
wrote
Am 05.08.2012 um 16:05 schrieb Robert Blackstone
blackstone.rob...@gmail.com:
How can I refer to some text, for example a discussion of a particular
topic, on another page or in another chapter of my document with, for
instance (See discussion on page xx)?
You can set your own references in the text with \pagereference:
\starttext
This is the first topic.\pagereference[topic:1]
\page
This is another topic.\pagereference[topic:2]
\blank
This example contains two topic, the first topic is on \at{page}[topic:1] and
the second on \at{page}[topic:2].
\stoptext
Wolfgang
Thank you very much, Wolfgang. Marvelously simple and effective.
Kind regards,
Robert Blackstone
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