Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-05 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:44 PM, James Fisher jameshfis...@gmail.com wrote: I think you're thinking of 'forking' as something dangerous (yeah, the word sounds painful), as something that will fragment the community, as something that destroys the concept of 'authority'.  It's really not.  Where

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-04 Thread James Fisher
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:10 AM, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:35 AM, James Fisher jameshfis...@gmail.com wrote: - In my humble opinion, TeXies need to get out of the habit of 'self-documenting' TeX using TeX itself. TeX is not some replacement for

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-04 Thread James Fisher
Hi Aditya, On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:06 AM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, James Fisher wrote: Right, to show I'm not just empty words, I've just spent ~90 minutes preparing the beginnings of some decent documentation. Presenting

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-04 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, James Fisher wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:06 AM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, James Fisher wrote: (2) converted it all to reStructuredText using html2rest.py ( http://bitbucket.org/djerdo/musette/src/tip/musette/html/html2rest.py)

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-04 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote: I personally prefer a massive PDF to a massive HTML with lots of images. With pdf you can also *search* the output. A perfect solution will be to generate both outputs from a single source, but that means a custom made

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-04 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, luigi scarso wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote: I personally prefer a massive PDF to a massive HTML with lots of images. With pdf you can also *search* the output. A perfect solution will be to generate both outputs from a single

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-04 Thread James Fisher
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, James Fisher wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:06 AM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, James Fisher wrote: (2) converted it all to reStructuredText using html2rest.py (

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-04 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:25 PM, James Fisher jameshfis...@gmail.com wrote: lol; I thought this might come up.  I have a couple of replies to that: (1) First and most important: I'm not suggesting that we use TeX to document things at all.  I'm suggesting that ConTeXt documentation should be

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-04 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, luigi scarso wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote: I personally prefer a massive PDF to a massive HTML with lots of images. With pdf you can also *search* the

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-04 Thread James Fisher
Hi Luigi, On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:42 PM, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:25 PM, James Fisher jameshfis...@gmail.com wrote: lol; I thought this might come up. I have a couple of replies to that: (1) First and most important: I'm not suggesting that we

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-04 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, James Fisher wrote: I'm not saying that a dcvs is useless for documentation or manuals. But without contributors a dcvs can be practically useless, and the only contributors for manuals actually are Taco for luatex and Hans for Context mkiv. Why are they the only

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-04 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:44 PM, James Fisher jameshfis...@gmail.com wrote: ConTeXt was not created to produce documentation for ConTeXt. This is not the point. The point is that code documentation of ConTeXt can be made with ConTeXt . see for example

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-04 Thread James Fisher
(Can I leave all of this for a bit? I'll reply tomorrow, I think, but first...) I'd like to go back to the very first post about problems with flush right. The \setbreakpoints command works to an extent, but I'm still experiencing issues where, when a hyphenated string has been broken, the first

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-04 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, James Fisher wrote: I'd like to go back to the very first post about problems with flush right. The \setbreakpoints command works to an extent, but I'm still experiencing issues where, when a hyphenated string has been broken, the first half of it still sticks out. I

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-04 Thread James Fisher
Perfecto. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, James Fisher wrote: I'd like to go back to the very first post about problems with flush right. The \setbreakpoints command works to an extent, but I'm still experiencing issues where,

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-03 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 03.03.10 20:19, schrieb James Fisher: Hi, I'm experiencing an issue where, when the width of a block of text is small, the occasional word sticks out from the otherwise flush right. I've previously seen an example of this in an image on the contextgarden wiki, but now can't find it. To

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-03 Thread James Fisher
Certainly works -- thanks Wolfgang. Stymies me how people on this mailing list know this stuff -- even a Google search for setbreakpoints, assuming I knew the command in advance, returns nada. James On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-03 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:41 PM, James Fisher jameshfis...@gmail.com wrote: Certainly works -- thanks Wolfgang. Stymies me how people on this mailing list know this stuff -- even a Google search for setbreakpoints, assuming I knew the command in advance, returns nada. So why don't you grep in

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-03 Thread James Fisher
I suppose because (1) The word 'breakpoint' didn't come to mind (2) I'm used to consulting documentation rather than source code in the first instance (3) I've never worked in Turing tarpits before (4) Grepping 'breakpoint' as suggested doesn't turn up anything obvious in any case -- about 100

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-03 Thread Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky
On 03.03.2010 22:41, ntg-context-requ...@ntg.nl wrote: Stymies me how people on this mailing list know this stuff -- even a Google search for setbreakpoints, assuming I knew the command in advance, returns nada. This all is sacred knowledge, for devoted seekers :o) (Arthur, what about your

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-03 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
(Arthur, what about your church of TeX?) I deny everything. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl /

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-03 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:19 PM, James Fisher jameshfis...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting the impression that there's no real-world distinction between ConTeXt users and ConTeXt developers. true , in some sense. I mean that to use ConTeXt at its full potential one must write his own setups and

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-03 Thread James Fisher
Well, it's reassuring that people can at least admit this is a closed community. (But aren't churches meant to evangelize?) For using ConTEXt, no TEX-- programming skills and no technical background are needed. (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/What_is_ConTeXt) So why don't you grep in base/*

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-03 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, James Fisher wrote: Also, re there is only one ConTeXt developer --- Hans Hagen: I'd suggest a few reasons for this are: (1) in order to develop on a project, you first need a the high-level appreciation of the system that comes from documentation MkII is fairly well

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-03 Thread James Fisher
Right, to show I'm not just empty words, I've just spent ~90 minutes preparing the beginnings of some decent documentation. Presenting http://github.com/eegg/ConTeXt-doc : basically, I've: (1) wget'ed all the English HTML from the texshow documentation (2) converted it all to reStructuredText

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-03 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, James Fisher wrote: Right, to show I'm not just empty words, I've just spent ~90 minutes preparing the beginnings of some decent documentation. Presenting http://github.com/eegg/ConTeXt-doc : basically, I've: Interesting. (2) converted it all to reStructuredText using

Re: [NTG-context] Occasional words sticking out from flush-right

2010-03-03 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:35 AM, James Fisher jameshfis...@gmail.com wrote: - In my humble opinion, TeXies need to get out of the habit of 'self-documenting' TeX using TeX itself.  TeX is not some replacement for all markup, it's for producing beautiful books (OK, and some presentations); I