Re: [NTG-context] Some Footnote Questions (from the Wiki)
Brooks Moses wrote:
At 10:40 AM 9/9/2005, Christopher Creutzig wrote:
Brooks Moses wrote:
Not quite, as it doesn't generate a number I can reference. What I'm
thinking of is something that does what \nomarkfootnote does in the
following example:
A sentence\footnote{With a
note\note[footB].}.\nomarkfootnote[footB]{And
another.}
\starttext
A sentence\footnote{With a note.\note[footB]}\footnotetext[footB]{And
another.}
\stoptext
works for me, assuming I interpreted your wish correctly.
You did, indeed, interpret my wish correctly. Thanks!
Unfortunately, this is buggy when faced with a more complicated
example -- though I'm not sure whether the bug is in ConTeXt, or if
it's because we're not using \footnotetext correctly. Consider the
following:
\starttext
This%
\footnote(Or that\note[footB], if you prefer.}%
\footnotetext[footB]{Or possibly even the other\note[footC].}%
\footnotetext[footC]{It could be something entirely different.}
is a sentence with nested footnotes\note[footB]\note[footC].
\stoptext
The footnotes themselves are numbered properly: 1, 2, 3. However, the
references are not -- the \note[footC] reference within the second
footnote produces a superscript 2 rather than a superscript 3 -- and
the references to \note[footB] and \note[footC] at the end of the text
both produce superscript 3's!
well, we adapt the definition of \notesymbol (i've forgotten why the
extra if is there)
\starttext
This \footnote{A: Or that b:\in[footB], if you prefer.}
\footnotetext[footB]{B: Or possibly even the other c:\in[footC].}
\footnotetext[footC]{C: It could be something entirely different.}
is a sentence with nested footnotes b:\in[footB] and c:\in[footC].
\def\donotesymbol[#1][#2]%
{\bgroup
\ifnotesenabled
\def\currentnote{#1}%
\ifsecondargument
%\ifx\lastnotesymbol\relax
\unskip
\gotobox{\dodonotesymbol\currenttextreference}[#2]%
%\else
% \lastnotesymbol
%\fi
\else
\lastnotesymbol
\fi
\fi
\egroup}
\page
This \footnote{AA: Or that b:\note[footBB], if you prefer.}
\footnotetext[footBB]{BB: Or possibly even the other c:\note[footCC].}
\footnotetext[footCC]{CC: It could be something entirely different.}
is a sentence with nested footnotes b:\note[footBB] and c:\note[footCC].
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Some Footnote Questions (from the Wiki)
Brooks Moses wrote:
Not quite, as it doesn't generate a number I can reference. What I'm
thinking of is something that does what \nomarkfootnote does in the
following example:
A sentence\footnote{With a note\note[footB].}.\nomarkfootnote[footB]{And
another.}
\starttext
A sentence\footnote{With a note.\note[footB]}\footnotetext[footB]{And
another.}
\stoptext
works for me, assuming I interpreted your wish correctly.
Christopher
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Re: [NTG-context] Some Footnote Questions (from the Wiki)
At 10:40 AM 9/9/2005, Christopher Creutzig wrote:
Brooks Moses wrote:
Not quite, as it doesn't generate a number I can reference. What I'm
thinking of is something that does what \nomarkfootnote does in the
following example:
A sentence\footnote{With a note\note[footB].}.\nomarkfootnote[footB]{And
another.}
\starttext
A sentence\footnote{With a note.\note[footB]}\footnotetext[footB]{And
another.}
\stoptext
works for me, assuming I interpreted your wish correctly.
You did, indeed, interpret my wish correctly. Thanks!
Unfortunately, this is buggy when faced with a more complicated example --
though I'm not sure whether the bug is in ConTeXt, or if it's because we're
not using \footnotetext correctly. Consider the following:
\starttext
This%
\footnote(Or that\note[footB], if you prefer.}%
\footnotetext[footB]{Or possibly even the other\note[footC].}%
\footnotetext[footC]{It could be something entirely different.}
is a sentence with nested footnotes\note[footB]\note[footC].
\stoptext
The footnotes themselves are numbered properly: 1, 2, 3. However, the
references are not -- the \note[footC] reference within the second footnote
produces a superscript 2 rather than a superscript 3 -- and the references
to \note[footB] and \note[footC] at the end of the text both produce
superscript 3's!
- Brooks
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Re: [NTG-context] Some Footnote Questions (from the Wiki)
Hi Brooks,
Brooks Moses wrote:
I've been updating the Footnotes page on the Wiki, and have a few
questions as a result:
1.) Footnotes in footnotes in footnotes. Are these possible? When I do
something like \footnote{A note\footnote{With a note\footnote{With a
third footnote.}.}.}, only the first two notes are included in the
footnote block, though the number for the third footnote is generated.
The wiki text was a bit too enthousiastic, I believe.
From some experimentation, it appears that you can have
* footnotes in footnotes,
* other (user-defined) notes in footnotes,
* notes in footnotes in footnotes,
* footnotes in notes,
* notes of different types inside eachother
but not:
* footnotes in footnotes in footnotes
* notes in notes of the same type
* footnotes in notes in notes
2.) Footnotes as marginals. There was text on the Wiki saying that it's
possible to typeset footnotes as marginals, but I can't find any
references to this in the ConTeXt manual. Am I missing something? I
know it's possible to do marginal notes, but those don't get footnote
numbers, and so aren't the same thing
There is an example in core-not.tex, but it doesn't work :-(
\definenote
[mynote]
[way=bypage,location=,width=\marginwidth,rule=,before=,factor=0]
\setuplayout
[backspace=5cm,margin=3cm,margindistance=.5cm,width=middle]
\setuptexttexts[margin][\vbox to
\textheight{\placenotes[mynote]\vfill}][]
\starttext
\dorecurse{10}{test \mynote{one one one one one one}
\input zapf \mynote{one one one one one one} }
\stoptext
(nothing at all shows, see also the bug below, at point 7.)
3.) Footnotes placed without line breaks. If one does a number of short
footnotes, they get set like so:
1. One
2. Two
3. Three
4. Four
Is it possible to have them set without line breaks, like this? If so,
how?
1. One2. Two3. Three4. Four
At least, you can do \setupfootnotes[n=4], that typesets in
four columns. The actual footnotes are desciptions, perhaps these
can be tricked in appearing in-line themselves?
4.) Footnote alignment. Currently, footnotes are set so that the left
end of the text of the footnote is aligned with the left edge of the
text, and the footnote number hangs out into the margin. Is it possible
to change this? (For instance, suppose I would like the number aligned
to the text-edge, and then a fixed-width space, and then the text?)
Use
\setupfootnotedefinition[location=left]
See \setupdescriptions for other possible options.
5.) In LaTeX, there's a means to place a footnote (and generate a number
and reference for the footnote) without typesetting the number in the
text, in order to handle cases where the real footnote mechanism
breaks down. Is it possible to do this in ConTeXt?
Does \footnote[-]{An unnumbered note} do what you want?
7. What does the location=high in \setupfootnotes do?
This is supposed to be a baseline correction for the bottom of the
page, I think. What it actually seems to do is make the footnote
texts disappear, like in this example:
\setupfootnotes[location=high]
\starttext
\dorecurse{4}{\input zapf \footnote{one one one one one one}\endgraf }
\stoptext
looks like a bug :-(
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] Some Footnote Questions (from the Wiki)
Replying to myself (sorry); I discovered the answer to one of these
questions already.
At 01:39 PM 9/3/2005, I wrote:
6. When I reference a footnote's number using \note[ref], I get the number
typeset as a superscript. This looks a little odd to me in sentences such
as See footnote \note[ref] on the previous page -- it would look better
if the number (or symbol) were typeset in the normal font. Is there
another way to reference it so as to do that?
It is, indeed, possible to reference footnotes in the usual way for other
references, with \in{}[] and \at{}[], and they act as one would expect.
(I haven't investigated whether \note[] works for non-footnote references. :)
- Brooks
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