Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-23 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:46 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Travis Oliphant > wrote: > > Right now we are trying to balance difficult things: stable releases > with experimental development. > > Perhaps a more formal "development release" system could help here. > II

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-23 Thread Fernando Perez
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Stéfan van der Walt wrote: > If you are referring to the traditional concept of a fork, and not to > the type we frequently make on GitHub, then I'm surprised that no one > has objected already.  What would a fork solve? To paraphrase the > regexp saying: after for

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-23 Thread Fernando Perez
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > That is an excellent thought. > > We could make the odd numbered releases "experimental" and the even-numbered > as stable. > > That makes some sense.    What do others think? I think the concern with that is manpower: it effectively requ

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-23 Thread Stéfan van der Walt
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > I'm starting to think that a fork might be the best solution to the present > problem. If you are referring to the traditional concept of a fork, and not to the type we frequently make on GitHub, then I'm surprised that no one has objecte

Re: [Numpy-discussion] A 1.6.2 release?

2012-04-23 Thread Charles R Harris
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Charles R Harris < > charlesr.har...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:22 AM, Ralf Gommers < >> ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Cha

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-23 Thread Charles R Harris
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > That is an excellent thought. > > We could make the odd numbered releases "experimental" and the > even-numbered as stable. > > That makes some sense.What do others think? > > I'm starting to think that a fork might be the best solution

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-23 Thread Travis Oliphant
That is an excellent thought. We could make the odd numbered releases "experimental" and the even-numbered as stable. That makes some sense.What do others think? -Travis On Apr 23, 2012, at 5:46 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: >> Righ

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-23 Thread Chris Barker
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: > Right now we are trying to balance difficult things:  stable releases with > experimental development. Perhaps a more formal "development release" system could help here. IIUC, numpy pretty much has two things: the latest release (and pas

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-23 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Travis Oliphant wrote: >> >>> Linux: Technically, everything you say is true. In practice, good luck >>> convincing Linus or a subsystem maintainer to accept your patch when >>> other people are raising substantive complaints. Here's an email I >>> googled up

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Masked Arrays in NumPy 1.x

2012-04-23 Thread Travis Oliphant
Thank you very much for contributing this description.It is very helpful to see how people use numpy.ma in the wild. -Travis On Apr 11, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Paul Hobson wrote: > Travis et al, > > This isn't a reply to anything specific in your email and I apologize > if there is a better thr

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-23 Thread Travis Oliphant
> >> Linux: Technically, everything you say is true. In practice, good luck >> convincing Linus or a subsystem maintainer to accept your patch when >> other people are raising substantive complaints. Here's an email I >> googled up in a few moments, in which Linus yells at people for trying >> to

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Masked Arrays in NumPy 1.x

2012-04-23 Thread Nathaniel Smith
Hi Paul, On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Paul Hobson wrote: > Travis et al, > > This isn't a reply to anything specific in your email and I apologize > if there is a better thread or place to share this information. I've > been meaning to participate in the discussion for a long time and > never

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NEP mask code and the 1.7 release

2012-04-23 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Ralf Gommers > wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > >> > >> We need to decide what to do with the NA masking code currently in > >> master, vis-a-vis the 1.7 relea

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NEP mask code and the 1.7 release

2012-04-23 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >> Right, this part is specifically about ABI compatibility, not API >> compatibility -- segfaults would only occur for extension libraries >> that were compiled against one version of

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NEP mask code and the 1.7 release

2012-04-23 Thread Chris Barker
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > Right, this part is specifically about ABI compatibility, not API > compatibility -- segfaults would only occur for extension libraries > that were compiled against one version of numpy and then used with a > different version. Which make

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NEP mask code and the 1.7 release

2012-04-23 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >> >> We need to decide what to do with the NA masking code currently in >> master, vis-a-vis the 1.7 release. While this code is great at what it >> is, we don't actually have cons

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-23 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Charles R Harris > wrote: >> Linux is Linus' private tree. Everything that goes in is his decision, >> everything that stays out is his decision. Of course, he delegates much of >> the work to people

Re: [Numpy-discussion] documentation bug: Matrix library page not populated

2012-04-23 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:42 PM, wrote: > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Ralf Gommers > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:12 AM, wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Pauli Virtanen wrote: > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > 18.04.2012 19:57, Alan G Isaac kirjoitti: > >> >> > >>

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-23 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >> >> If you hang around big FOSS projects, you'll see the word "consensus" >> come up a lot. For example, the glibc steering committee recently >> dissolved itself in favor of g

Re: [Numpy-discussion] documentation bug: Matrix library page not populated

2012-04-23 Thread josef . pktd
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:12 AM, wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Pauli Virtanen wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > 18.04.2012 19:57, Alan G Isaac kirjoitti: >> >> >> >> http://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy/reference/routines.matlib.html#

Re: [Numpy-discussion] documentation bug: Matrix library page not populated

2012-04-23 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:12 AM, wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Pauli Virtanen wrote: > > Hi, > > > > 18.04.2012 19:57, Alan G Isaac kirjoitti: > >> > http://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy/reference/routines.matlib.html#module-numpy.matlib > >> promises a list of functions that does not app

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-23 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > If you hang around big FOSS projects, you'll see the word "consensus" > come up a lot. For example, the glibc steering committee recently > dissolved itself in favor of governance "directly by the consensus of > the people active in gl

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Command-line options for (Windows) NumPy Installer?

2012-04-23 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Dave Fugate wrote: > Thanks Ralf! I'm interested in unattended/silent installations. > > I'm afraid that that doesn't work. NSIS installers provide the /S option for silent installs, but it requires some changes to the install script that we apparently didn't mak

Re: [Numpy-discussion] NEP mask code and the 1.7 release

2012-04-23 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > We need to decide what to do with the NA masking code currently in > master, vis-a-vis the 1.7 release. While this code is great at what it > is, we don't actually have consensus yet that it's the best way to > give our users what they wa

Re: [Numpy-discussion] A 1.6.2 release?

2012-04-23 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:22 AM, Ralf Gommers < > ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Charles R Harris < >> charlesr.har...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Ral

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Command-line options for (Windows) NumPy Installer?

2012-04-23 Thread Dave Fugate
Thanks Ralf! I'm interested in unattended/silent installations. My best, Dave --- Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:48:36 +0200 From: Ralf Gommers Subject: Re: [Numpy-discussion] Command-line options for (Windows) NumPy Installer? To: Discussio