Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Ralf Gommers
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:46 AM, Chris Barker chris.bar...@noaa.govwrote: On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Travis Oliphant tra...@continuum.io wrote: Right now we are trying to balance difficult things: stable releases with experimental development. Perhaps a more formal development

[Numpy-discussion] [ANN] Optimization with categorical variables, disjunctive (and other logical) constraints

2012-04-24 Thread Dmitrey
hi all, free solver interalg for global nonlinear optimization with specifiable accuracy now can handle categorical variables, disjunctive (and other logical) constraints, thus making it available to solve GDP, possibly in multiobjective form. There are ~ 2 months till next OpenOpt release,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Charles R Harris
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za wrote: If you are referring to the traditional concept of a fork, and not to the type we frequently make on GitHub, then I'm surprised that no

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Pierre Haessig
Hi, Le 24/04/2012 15:14, Charles R Harris a écrit : a) All arrays should be implicitly masked, even if the mask isn't initially allocated. The maskna keyword can then be removed, taking with it the sense that there are two kinds of arrays. From my lazy user perspective, having masked and

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Masked Arrays in NumPy 1.x

2012-04-24 Thread Frédéric Bastien
Hi, I finished reading the doc I listed in the other thread. As the NA stuff will be marked as Experimental in numpy 1.7, why not define a new macro like NPY_NA_VERSION that will give the version of the NA C-api? That way, people will be able to detect if there is change in the c-api of NA when

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread josef . pktd
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Pierre Haessig pierre.haes...@crans.org wrote: Hi, Le 24/04/2012 15:14, Charles R Harris a écrit : a) All arrays should be implicitly masked, even if the mask isn't initially allocated. The maskna keyword can then be removed, taking with it the sense that

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za wrote: If you are referring to the traditional concept

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Charles R Harris
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:25 AM, josef.p...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Pierre Haessig pierre.haes...@crans.org wrote: Hi, Le 24/04/2012 15:14, Charles R Harris a écrit : a) All arrays should be implicitly masked, even if the mask isn't initially allocated. The

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Charles R Harris
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:25 AM, josef.p...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Pierre Haessig pierre.haes...@crans.org wrote: Hi, Le 24/04/2012 15:14, Charles R Harris a écrit : a)

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Benjamin Root
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:25 AM, josef.p...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Pierre Haessig pierre.haes...@crans.org wrote: Hi, Le 24/04/2012 15:14, Charles R Harris a écrit : a)

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Pierre Haessig pierre.haes...@crans.org wrote: If the idea of having two payloads is to avoid a maximum of skipna friends extra keywords, I would like it much. My feeling with my small experience with R is that I end up calling every function with a different

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread josef . pktd
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Benjamin Root ben.r...@ou.edu wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:25 AM, josef.p...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Pierre Haessig pierre.haes...@crans.org

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Stéfan van der Walt
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: The advantage of nans, I suppose, is that they are in the hardware and so Why are we having a discussion on NAN's in a thread on consensus? This is a strong indicator of the problem we're facing. Stéfan

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Benjamin Root
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.zawrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: The advantage of nans, I suppose, is that they are in the hardware and so Why are we having a discussion on NAN's in a thread on

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Masked Arrays in NumPy 1.x

2012-04-24 Thread Charles R Harris
2012/4/24 Frédéric Bastien no...@nouiz.org Hi, I finished reading the doc I listed in the other thread. As the NA stuff will be marked as Experimental in numpy 1.7, why not define a new macro like NPY_NA_VERSION that will give the version of the NA C-api? That way, people will be able to

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Masked Arrays in NumPy 1.x

2012-04-24 Thread Frédéric Bastien
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Should be 6 in 1.6 # Binary compatibility version number. This number is increased whenever the # C-API is changed such that binary compatibility is broken, i.e. whenever a # recompile of extension modules is

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Charles R Harris
2012/4/24 Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: The advantage of nans, I suppose, is that they are in the hardware and so Why are we having a discussion on NAN's in a thread on consensus? This is a strong

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/24 Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: The advantage of nans, I suppose, is that they are in the hardware and

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Stéfan van der Walt
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Why are we having a discussion on NAN's in a thread on consensus? This is a strong indicator of the problem we're facing. We seem to have a consensus regarding interest in the topic. For the benefit of those of

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Travis Oliphant
Thanks for the reminder, Stefan and keeping us on track. It is very helpful to those trying to sort through the messages to keep the discussions to one subject per thread. -Travis On Apr 24, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Stéfan van der Walt wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Charles R Harris

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Travis Oliphant
On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Stéfan van der Walt wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Why are we having a discussion on NAN's in a thread on consensus? This is a strong indicator of the problem we're facing. We seem to have a consensus

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Travis Oliphant
On Apr 24, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Matthew Brett wrote: Hi, On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/24 Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: The advantage

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Charles R Harris
2012/4/24 Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Why are we having a discussion on NAN's in a thread on consensus? This is a strong indicator of the problem we're facing. We seem to have a consensus

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Charles R Harris
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Travis Oliphant tra...@continuum.iowrote: On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Stéfan van der Walt wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Why are we having a discussion on NAN's in a thread on consensus? This

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Stéfan van der Walt
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: But a right to veto doesn't automatically extend to everyone who happens to have an interest in a topic. The time has long gone when we simply hacked on NumPy for our own benefit; if you will, NumPy users are

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Benjamin Root
On Tuesday, April 24, 2012, Matthew Brett wrote: Hi, On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: 2012/4/24 Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za javascript:; On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Charles R Harris

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: I think we adhere to these pretty well already, the problem is with the word 'everyone'. I grew up in Massachusetts where town meetings were a tradition. At those meetings the townsfolk voted on the budget,

[Numpy-discussion] Removal of mask arrays? [was consensus]

2012-04-24 Thread Travis Oliphant
On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:59 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Travis Oliphant tra...@continuum.io wrote: On Apr 24, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Stéfan van der Walt wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Why are we

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Travis Oliphant
On Apr 24, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Stéfan van der Walt wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: But a right to veto doesn't automatically extend to everyone who happens to have an interest in a topic. This is not my view, but it is Charles view

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Stéfan van der Walt ste...@sun.ac.za wrote: If you are referring to the traditional concept of a

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Charles R Harris
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Nathaniel Smith n...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Stéfan van der Walt

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Nathaniel Smith n...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Fernando

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Fernando Perez
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: I admit to a certain curiosity about your own involvement in FOSS projects, and I know I'm not alone in this. Google shows several years of discussion on Monotone, but I have no idea what your contributions were

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Charles R Harris
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: I admit to a certain curiosity about your own involvement in FOSS projects, and I know I'm not alone in this. Google shows several

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Fernando Perez
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Fernando, I'm not checking credentials, I'm curious. Well, at least I think that an inquisitive query about someone's background, phrased like that, can be very easily misread. I can only speak for myself, but I

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread josef . pktd
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Fernando, I'm not checking credentials, I'm curious. Well, at least I think that an inquisitive query about someone's background,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Charles R Harris
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Fernando, I'm not checking credentials, I'm curious. Well, at least I think that an inquisitive query about someone's background,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Travis Oliphant
On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Matthew Brett wrote: Hi, On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Nathaniel Smith n...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Charles R Harris

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Fernando Perez
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Turnover is a problem with open source, and no matter how much discussion there is, if people aren't doing the work the whole thing sort of peters out. That's very true, and I hope that by building a friendly

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Travis Oliphant
On Apr 24, 2012, at 10:50 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote: Fernando, I'm not checking credentials, I'm curious. Well, at least I

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread josef . pktd
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Travis Oliphant tra...@continuum.io wrote: On Apr 24, 2012, at 10:50 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Charles R Harris
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Travis Oliphant tra...@continuum.iowrote: On Apr 24, 2012, at 10:50 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Charles R Harris charlesr.har...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Travis Oliphant
On Apr 25, 2012, at 12:02 AM, Charles R Harris wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Travis Oliphant tra...@continuum.io wrote: On Apr 24, 2012, at 10:50 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Fernando Perez fperez@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 24,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Fernando Perez
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:02 PM, josef.p...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry that I missed this part of numpy history, I always had the impression that numpy is run by a community led by Chuck and the young guys, David, Pauli, Stefan, Pierre; and Robert on the mailing list . (But I came late, and am

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Gael Varoquaux
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 05:59:09PM -0600, Charles R Harris wrote: Travis, if you are playing the BDFL role, then just make the darn decision and remove the code so we can get on with life. As it is you go back and forth and that does none of us any good, you're a big guy and you're rocking the

Re: [Numpy-discussion] What is consensus anyway

2012-04-24 Thread Travis Oliphant
I've given several talks on the subject, but I don't think I've ever written a blog-post about it. A reasonable history does exist in the beginning of the Guide to NumPy which is still available for free at http://www.tramy.us/numpybook.pdf -Travis On Apr 25, 2012, at 12:18 AM,