Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

> Decoupled or not, sparse still needs to be dealt with. What is the plan? > My view would be: - keep current sparse matrices as is (with improvements, like __numpy_func__ and the various performance improvements that regularly get done) - once one of the sparse *array* implementations progresses

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 5:31 PM, CJ Carey > wrote: > >> I agree with Ralf; coupling these changes to sparse is a bad idea. >> >> I think that scipy.sparse will be an important

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 5:31 PM, CJ Carey wrote: > I agree with Ralf; coupling these changes to sparse is a bad idea. > > I think that scipy.sparse will be an important consideration during the > deprecation process, though, perhaps as an indicator of how painful the >

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

I agree with Ralf; coupling these changes to sparse is a bad idea. I think that scipy.sparse will be an important consideration during the deprecation process, though, perhaps as an indicator of how painful the transition might be for third party code. I'm +1 for splitting matrices out into a

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Charles R Harris < > charlesr.har...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Ralf Gommers >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Ralf Gommers > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Charles R Harris < >> charlesr.har...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Charles R Harris < > charlesr.har...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Ralf Gommers >> wrote: >> >>> >>> It looks to me like

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Ralf Gommers > wrote: > >> >> It looks to me like we're getting a bit off track here. The sparse >> matrices in scipy are heavily used, and despite

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Todd wrote: > >> >> >> On Jan 6, 2017 20:28, "Ralf Gommers" wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:21 PM, CJ Carey

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Todd wrote: > > > On Jan 6, 2017 20:28, "Ralf Gommers" wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:21 PM, CJ Carey > wrote: > >> >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Ralf Gommers

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 8:33 AM, Marten van Kerkwijk < m.h.vankerkw...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > It seems there are two steps that can be taken now and are needed no > matter what: > > 1. Add numpy documentation describing the preferred way to handle > matrices, extolling the virtues of @,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Jan 6, 2017 20:28, "Ralf Gommers" wrote: On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:21 PM, CJ Carey wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Ralf Gommers > wrote: > >> This sounds like a reasonable idea. Timeline could be

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

Hi All, It seems there are two steps that can be taken now and are needed no matter what: 1. Add numpy documentation describing the preferred way to handle matrices, extolling the virtues of @, and move np.matrix documentation to a deprecated section 2. Start on a new `sparse` class that is

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

Hi all! I've been lurking on this discussion, and don't have too much to add except to encourage a fast deprecation: I can't wait for sparse matrices to have an element-wise multiply operator. On 7 Jan 2017, 7:52 PM +1100, Ralf Gommers , wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 9:39 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:59 PM, Ralf Gommers > wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Charles R Harris < > charlesr.har...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:59 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Charles R Harris > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:37 PM, wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:28 PM,

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:37 PM, wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:28 PM, Ralf Gommers >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:21 PM, CJ

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:37 PM, wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:28 PM, Ralf Gommers > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:21 PM, CJ Carey >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Ralf Gommers

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:28 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:21 PM, CJ Carey > wrote: > >> >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Ralf Gommers >> wrote: >> >>> This sounds like a reasonable idea.

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:21 PM, CJ Carey wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Ralf Gommers > wrote: > >> This sounds like a reasonable idea. Timeline could be something like: >> >> 1. Now: create new package, deprecate np.matrix in docs.

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:19 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > This sounds like a reasonable idea. Timeline could be something like: > > 1. Now: create new package, deprecate np.matrix in docs. > 2. In say 1.5 years: start issuing visible deprecation warnings in numpy > 3. After

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Bryan Van de Ven wrote: > There's a good chance that bokeh.charts will be split off into a > separately distributed package as well. Hopefully being a much smaller, > pure Python project makes it a more accessible target for anyone interested

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

There's a good chance that bokeh.charts will be split off into a separately distributed package as well. Hopefully being a much smaller, pure Python project makes it a more accessible target for anyone interested in maintaining it, and if no one is interested in it anymore, well that fact

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

That's not a bad idea. Matplotlib is currently considering something similar for its mlab module. It has been there since the beginning, but it is very outdated and very out-of-scope for matplotlib. However, there are still lots of code out there that depends on it. So, we are looking to split it

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > Hi All, > > Just throwing this click bait out for discussion. Now that the `@` > operator is available and things seem to be moving towards Python 3, > especially in the classroom, we should consider the real

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Charles R Harris >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 7:26

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Charles R Harris > wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 7:26 PM, wrote: > [...] > >> How about dropping python 2 support at the same

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 7:26 PM, wrote: [...] >> How about dropping python 2 support at the same time, then we can all be >> in a @ world. >> > > The "@" operator works with matrices

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 7:26 PM, wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 9:00 PM, Ralf Gommers >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Charles

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 7:26 PM, wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 9:00 PM, Ralf Gommers > wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Charles R Harris < >> charlesr.har...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Just throwing this click

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 6:26 PM, wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 9:00 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Charles R Harris >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Just throwing this click bait

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 9:00 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Charles R Harris < > charlesr.har...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Just throwing this click bait out for discussion. Now that the `@` >> operator is available and things seem

Re: [Numpy-discussion] Deprecating matrices.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Charles R Harris wrote: > Hi All, > > Just throwing this click bait out for discussion. Now that the `@` > operator is available and things seem to be moving towards Python 3, > especially in the classroom, we should consider the real