[nvo3] New mailing list for soon-to-be BESS working group

2014-10-07 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, As the work to charter BESS progresses (the charter http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/bess/charter/ has been put out for community review by the IESG). It is time to set up the mailing list for BESS. As may be expected, this will be b...@ietf.org subscribed via

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Lucy yong
Maybe “NVO tenant system mobility solution”? Lucy From: nvo3 [mailto:nvo3-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Reith, Lothar Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:51 AM To: David Allan I; Linda Dunbar; Tom Herbert Cc: Black, David; nvo3@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread David Allan I
Yes, Andy pointed out that the solutions are normative, not simply informative, so “my bad” for suggesting framework in the first place… Cheers Dave From: nvo3 [mailto:nvo3-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Black, David Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:41 AM To: Linda Dunbar Cc: nvo3@ietf.org

Re: [nvo3] Solutions for resolving access domain's VLAN-ID conflict ( was name poll for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme -00.txt)

2014-10-07 Thread Linda Dunbar
David, Replies are inserted below: From: David Allan I [mailto:david.i.al...@ericsson.com] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 6:52 PM To: Linda Dunbar; Tom Herbert Cc: Black, David; nvo3@ietf.org Subject: RE: Solutions for resolving access domain's VLAN-ID conflict ( was name poll for

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Thomas Narten
= Now, if I replace VM with mobile node, that's layer-3 mobility and we have few solution options there… No. Let's please not go here. As David pointed out in a different thread, NVO3 is about VM *migration*. Mobile IP is a very different beast built on a number of fundamentally different

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Thomas Narten
Hi Tom. Migration may be a better term than mobility, but the other part of the phrasing, node, was to encompass non-VM uses cases of network virtualization migration in DC-- like job migration, container migration. Is nvo3 explicitly about VM migration so that these other cases are out of

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Linda Dunbar
Linux Container performs the same task as a hypervisor, i.e. enabling multiple isolated hosts (or VMs) running on a single physical machine. Why need a separate discussion for Linux Container? Linda -Original Message- From: Thomas Narten [mailto:nar...@us.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Thomas Narten
Hi Linda. Linux Container performs the same task as a hypervisor, i.e. enabling multiple isolated hosts (or VMs) running on a single physical machine. Why need a separate discussion for Linux Container? Who is asking for a separate discussion? I was just clarifying that Linux containers and

Re: [nvo3] WG Review: Network Virtualization Overlays (nvo3)

2014-10-07 Thread Alia Atlas
Hi Pankaj, On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Pankaj Garg garg.pan...@microsoft.com wrote: What is the reason for restricting the charter to only adopt one protocol for control plane, while allowing one or more protocols for data plane encapsulation? There are already other ways (BGP-based,

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
Hi Thomas, No. Let's please not go here. No .. no. My comment is not intended to argue against inventing a new approach; I'm not in the way. But, if we do not discuss and show a reasonable technical argument as why an option needs to be ruled out, I suspect we will end with the exact same

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Tom Herbert
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) sgund...@cisco.com wrote: Hi Thomas, No. Let's please not go here. No .. no. My comment is not intended to argue against inventing a new approach; I'm not in the way. But, if we do not discuss and show a reasonable technical

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
On 10/7/14 8:32 PM, Tom Herbert therb...@google.com wrote: You've reverted to posing the networking virtualization problem in terms of virtual machines which leads to a use case specific solution-- this is exactly the reason I suggested to not use the term. The general problem is not (virtual)

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Black, David
Sri, On 10/7/14 8:32 PM, Tom Herbert therb...@google.com wrote: You've reverted to posing the networking virtualization problem in terms of virtual machines which leads to a use case specific solution-- this is exactly the reason I suggested to not use the term. The general problem is not

Re: [nvo3] Poll for a better name for draft-merged-nvo3-vm-mobility-scheme-00.txt

2014-10-07 Thread Black, David
The common element in both cases is the network address movement - That's precisely the IP Mobility protocols that are out there are designed for. IP address state is moved and we make the network aware of that. Fair enough, but they are not the only to move IP addresses. I'm not