RE: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread Gus Keri 
On April 13, 2019, I saw a group of 10 Bonaparte's Gulls in NY Harbor. They 
landed in front of the Veteran Memorial Pier in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. I posted 
photos of them here:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S54915112
An hour later, I saw 20 of them near the Belt Parkway Promenade by 92nd st 
overpass in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. I posted their photos here:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S54915913



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  On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 21:27:58 -0400   wrote 
 > 
 > Yes, I know, but didn’t want to be accused of exaggerating, and don’t have 
 > the F’s at hand.
 >  
 > From: bounce-125035260-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 >  On Behalf Of Peter Post
 > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:10 PM
 > To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
 > Cc: Thomas Fiore ; NYS Birds ; 
 > Emily Peyton 
 > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 
 > 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)
 >  
 > I believe It’s been down for longer than that  Check Xmas Bird Counts for 
 > exact years and details. We used to get large numbers at such places as Pt. 
 > Lookout, for example. But no longer There’s been a change in ecology or 
 > something in region 10. Yet there are still large numbers of Bonaparte’s 
 > being seen on the Great Lakes and to the south of us in the mid-Atlantic 
 > States. 
 >  
 > Sent from my iPhone
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:08 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 > 
 > My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
 > increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
 > (exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 
 > years. Anybody agree?
 >  
 > From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 >  On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
 > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
 > To: NYS Birds 
 > Cc: Peter W. Post 
 > Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 
 > 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)
 >  
 > Thanks, Peter - 
 >  
 > I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or 
 > frequency all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d 
 > understood them as more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course 
 > elsewhere in the wider region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, 
 > rather than the rarer two species of gull you also referenced.  If only this 
 > were so cuurently!  I wonder then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s 
 > Gull in New York County waters were which included even -for example- 100+ 
 > individuals, much less thousands on one day.  Thank you for the historical 
 > information!
 >  
 > Tom Fiore
 > manhattan
 >  -  -  -  -  -
 >  
 > On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post  wrote:
 >  
 > Tom:
 >  
 > Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. 
 > Into the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter 
 > visitors in New York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds 
 > could be seen on a single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. 
 > Mixed in among them was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was 
 > during that time period that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and 
 > Little Gulls could regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry 
 > (where they would feed with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south 
 > shore Governor’s Island). 
 >  
 > Peter (Post)
 > -  -  -  -  -  -  -
 >  
 > On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore  wrote:
 >  
 > Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 
 > New York County (in N.Y. City) 
 >  
 > 3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
 > afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
 > this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
 > Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
 > (They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, 
 > in terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for 
 > this & other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year 
 > when much movement is occurring).
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RE: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread Gus Keri 
On April 13, 2019, I saw a group of 10 Bonaparte's Gulls in NY Harbor. They 
landed in front of the Veteran Memorial Pier in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. I posted 
photos of them here:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S54915112
An hour later, I saw 20 of them near the Belt Parkway Promenade by 92nd st 
overpass in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. I posted their photos here:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S54915913



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  On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 21:27:58 -0400   wrote 
 > 
 > Yes, I know, but didn’t want to be accused of exaggerating, and don’t have 
 > the F’s at hand.
 >  
 > From: bounce-125035260-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 >  On Behalf Of Peter Post
 > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:10 PM
 > To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
 > Cc: Thomas Fiore ; NYS Birds ; 
 > Emily Peyton 
 > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 
 > 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)
 >  
 > I believe It’s been down for longer than that  Check Xmas Bird Counts for 
 > exact years and details. We used to get large numbers at such places as Pt. 
 > Lookout, for example. But no longer There’s been a change in ecology or 
 > something in region 10. Yet there are still large numbers of Bonaparte’s 
 > being seen on the Great Lakes and to the south of us in the mid-Atlantic 
 > States. 
 >  
 > Sent from my iPhone
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:08 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 > 
 > My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
 > increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
 > (exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 
 > years. Anybody agree?
 >  
 > From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 >  On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
 > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
 > To: NYS Birds 
 > Cc: Peter W. Post 
 > Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 
 > 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)
 >  
 > Thanks, Peter - 
 >  
 > I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or 
 > frequency all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d 
 > understood them as more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course 
 > elsewhere in the wider region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, 
 > rather than the rarer two species of gull you also referenced.  If only this 
 > were so cuurently!  I wonder then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s 
 > Gull in New York County waters were which included even -for example- 100+ 
 > individuals, much less thousands on one day.  Thank you for the historical 
 > information!
 >  
 > Tom Fiore
 > manhattan
 >  -  -  -  -  -
 >  
 > On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post  wrote:
 >  
 > Tom:
 >  
 > Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. 
 > Into the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter 
 > visitors in New York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds 
 > could be seen on a single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. 
 > Mixed in among them was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was 
 > during that time period that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and 
 > Little Gulls could regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry 
 > (where they would feed with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south 
 > shore Governor’s Island). 
 >  
 > Peter (Post)
 > -  -  -  -  -  -  -
 >  
 > On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore  wrote:
 >  
 > Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 
 > New York County (in N.Y. City) 
 >  
 > 3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
 > afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
 > this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
 > Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
 > (They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, 
 > in terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for 
 > this & other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year 
 > when much movement is occurring).
 >  
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Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread Shane Blodgett 
 Lower NY Bay (Gravesend) and its environs has been the best place in NYC for 
Bonaparte's for the last 10 years with 45 eBird records of 100+ birds. They 
tend to not hang around long and April and Nov.-Feb. have all the sight 
records. 17 of the 45 records were from Nov. 2015-Feb. 2016. 
There has been a drop in numbers the last 3 years though there was a flock of 
940 in Leonard Kaiser Park on April 16, 2018.
All time Kings County high in eBird is 1150 viewed from Coney Island Creek Park 
on Nov. 28, 2015 but I'm sure there are probably older records I don't have in 
front of me that may exceed this number.

Regards,Shane BlodgettBrooklyn NY
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 09:28:20 PM EDT, rc...@nyc.rr.com 
 wrote:  
 
 
Yes, I know, but didn’t want to be accused of exaggerating, and don’t have the 
F’s at hand.

  

From: bounce-125035260-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Peter Post
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:10 PM
To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
Cc: Thomas Fiore ; NYS Birds ; 
Emily Peyton 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 
- Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

  

I believe It’s been down for longer than that  Check Xmas Bird Counts for exact 
years and details. We used to get large numbers at such places as Pt. Lookout, 
for example. But no longer There’s been a change in ecology or something in 
region 10. Yet there are still large numbers of Bonaparte’s being seen on the 
Great Lakes and to the south of us in the mid-Atlantic States. 

  

Sent from my iPhone






On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:08 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:





My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
(exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 years. 
Anybody agree?

 

From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
To: NYS Birds 
Cc: Peter W. Post 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - 
Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

 

Thanks, Peter - 

 

I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them as 
more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the wider 
region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the rarer two 
species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so cuurently!  I wonder 
then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in New York County waters 
were which included even -for example- 100+ individuals, much less thousands on 
one day.  Thank you for the historical information!

 

Tom Fiore

manhattan

 -  -  -  -  -

 


On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post  wrote:

 

Tom:

 

Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. Into 
the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors in New 
York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be seen on a 
single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in among them 
was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that time period 
that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls could 
regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would feed 
with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s Island). 

 

Peter (Post)


-  -  -  -  -  -  -

 



On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore  wrote:

 

Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 

New York County (in N.Y. City) 

 

3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
(They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, in 
terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for this 
& other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year when much 
movement is occurring).



 

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Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread Shane Blodgett 
 Lower NY Bay (Gravesend) and its environs has been the best place in NYC for 
Bonaparte's for the last 10 years with 45 eBird records of 100+ birds. They 
tend to not hang around long and April and Nov.-Feb. have all the sight 
records. 17 of the 45 records were from Nov. 2015-Feb. 2016. 
There has been a drop in numbers the last 3 years though there was a flock of 
940 in Leonard Kaiser Park on April 16, 2018.
All time Kings County high in eBird is 1150 viewed from Coney Island Creek Park 
on Nov. 28, 2015 but I'm sure there are probably older records I don't have in 
front of me that may exceed this number.

Regards,Shane BlodgettBrooklyn NY
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 09:28:20 PM EDT, rc...@nyc.rr.com 
 wrote:  
 
 
Yes, I know, but didn’t want to be accused of exaggerating, and don’t have the 
F’s at hand.

  

From: bounce-125035260-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Peter Post
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:10 PM
To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
Cc: Thomas Fiore ; NYS Birds ; 
Emily Peyton 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 
- Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

  

I believe It’s been down for longer than that  Check Xmas Bird Counts for exact 
years and details. We used to get large numbers at such places as Pt. Lookout, 
for example. But no longer There’s been a change in ecology or something in 
region 10. Yet there are still large numbers of Bonaparte’s being seen on the 
Great Lakes and to the south of us in the mid-Atlantic States. 

  

Sent from my iPhone






On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:08 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:





My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
(exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 years. 
Anybody agree?

 

From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
To: NYS Birds 
Cc: Peter W. Post 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - 
Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

 

Thanks, Peter - 

 

I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them as 
more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the wider 
region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the rarer two 
species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so cuurently!  I wonder 
then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in New York County waters 
were which included even -for example- 100+ individuals, much less thousands on 
one day.  Thank you for the historical information!

 

Tom Fiore

manhattan

 -  -  -  -  -

 


On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post  wrote:

 

Tom:

 

Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. Into 
the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors in New 
York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be seen on a 
single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in among them 
was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that time period 
that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls could 
regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would feed 
with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s Island). 

 

Peter (Post)


-  -  -  -  -  -  -

 



On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore  wrote:

 

Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 

New York County (in N.Y. City) 

 

3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
(They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, in 
terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for this 
& other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year when much 
movement is occurring).



 

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RE: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread rcech 
Yes, I know, but didn’t want to be accused of exaggerating, and don’t have the 
F’s at hand.

 

From: bounce-125035260-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Peter Post
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:10 PM
To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
Cc: Thomas Fiore ; NYS Birds ; 
Emily Peyton 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 
- Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

 

I believe It’s been down for longer than that  Check Xmas Bird Counts for exact 
years and details. We used to get large numbers at such places as Pt. Lookout, 
for example. But no longer There’s been a change in ecology or something in 
region 10. Yet there are still large numbers of Bonaparte’s being seen on the 
Great Lakes and to the south of us in the mid-Atlantic States. 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:08 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com   wrote:



My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
(exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 years. 
Anybody agree?

 

From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
  
mailto:bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu> > On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
To: NYS Birds mailto:NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu> >
Cc: Peter W. Post mailto:pwp...@nyc.rr.com> >
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - 
Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

 

Thanks, Peter - 

 

I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them as 
more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the wider 
region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the rarer two 
species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so cuurently!  I wonder 
then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in New York County waters 
were which included even -for example- 100+ individuals, much less thousands on 
one day.  Thank you for the historical information!

 

Tom Fiore

manhattan

 -  -  -  -  -

 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post mailto:pwp...@nyc.rr.com> > wrote:

 

Tom:

 

Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. Into 
the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors in New 
York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be seen on a 
single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in among them 
was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that time period 
that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls could 
regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would feed 
with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s Island). 

 

Peter (Post)

-  -  -  -  -  -  -

 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore mailto:tom...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

 

Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 

New York County (in N.Y. City) 

 

3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
(They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, in 
terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for this 
& other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year when much 
movement is occurring).

 

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RE: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread rcech 
Yes, I know, but didn’t want to be accused of exaggerating, and don’t have the 
F’s at hand.

 

From: bounce-125035260-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Peter Post
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:10 PM
To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
Cc: Thomas Fiore ; NYS Birds ; 
Emily Peyton 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 
- Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

 

I believe It’s been down for longer than that  Check Xmas Bird Counts for exact 
years and details. We used to get large numbers at such places as Pt. Lookout, 
for example. But no longer There’s been a change in ecology or something in 
region 10. Yet there are still large numbers of Bonaparte’s being seen on the 
Great Lakes and to the south of us in the mid-Atlantic States. 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:08 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com   wrote:



My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
(exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 years. 
Anybody agree?

 

From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
  
mailto:bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu> > On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
To: NYS Birds mailto:NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu> >
Cc: Peter W. Post mailto:pwp...@nyc.rr.com> >
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - 
Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

 

Thanks, Peter - 

 

I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them as 
more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the wider 
region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the rarer two 
species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so cuurently!  I wonder 
then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in New York County waters 
were which included even -for example- 100+ individuals, much less thousands on 
one day.  Thank you for the historical information!

 

Tom Fiore

manhattan

 -  -  -  -  -

 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post mailto:pwp...@nyc.rr.com> > wrote:

 

Tom:

 

Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. Into 
the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors in New 
York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be seen on a 
single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in among them 
was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that time period 
that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls could 
regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would feed 
with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s Island). 

 

Peter (Post)

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On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore mailto:tom...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

 

Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 

New York County (in N.Y. City) 

 

3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
(They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, in 
terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for this 
& other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year when much 
movement is occurring).

 

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Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread Peter Post 
I believe It’s been down for longer than that  Check Xmas Bird Counts for exact 
years and details. We used to get large numbers at such places as Pt. Lookout, 
for example. But no longer There’s been a change in ecology or something in 
region 10. Yet there are still large numbers of Bonaparte’s being seen on the 
Great Lakes and to the south of us in the mid-Atlantic States. 

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> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:08 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
> 
> 
> My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
> increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
> (exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 
> years. Anybody agree?
>  
> From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
>  On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
> To: NYS Birds 
> Cc: Peter W. Post 
> Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 
> - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)
>  
> Thanks, Peter - 
>  
> I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
> all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them 
> as more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the 
> wider region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the 
> rarer two species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so 
> cuurently!  I wonder then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in 
> New York County waters were which included even -for example- 100+ 
> individuals, much less thousands on one day.  Thank you for the historical 
> information!
>  
> Tom Fiore
> manhattan
>  -  -  -  -  -
>  
> On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post  wrote:
>  
> Tom:
>  
> Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. 
> Into the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors 
> in New York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be 
> seen on a single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in 
> among them was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that 
> time period that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls 
> could regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would 
> feed with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s 
> Island). 
>  
> Peter (Post)
> -  -  -  -  -  -  -
>  
> On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore  wrote:
>  
> Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 
> New York County (in N.Y. City) 
>  
> 3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
> afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
> this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
> Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
> (They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, 
> in terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for 
> this & other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year 
> when much movement is occurring).
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Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread Peter Post 
I believe It’s been down for longer than that  Check Xmas Bird Counts for exact 
years and details. We used to get large numbers at such places as Pt. Lookout, 
for example. But no longer There’s been a change in ecology or something in 
region 10. Yet there are still large numbers of Bonaparte’s being seen on the 
Great Lakes and to the south of us in the mid-Atlantic States. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:08 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
> 
> 
> My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
> increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
> (exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 
> years. Anybody agree?
>  
> From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
>  On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
> To: NYS Birds 
> Cc: Peter W. Post 
> Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 
> - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)
>  
> Thanks, Peter - 
>  
> I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
> all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them 
> as more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the 
> wider region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the 
> rarer two species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so 
> cuurently!  I wonder then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in 
> New York County waters were which included even -for example- 100+ 
> individuals, much less thousands on one day.  Thank you for the historical 
> information!
>  
> Tom Fiore
> manhattan
>  -  -  -  -  -
>  
> On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post  wrote:
>  
> Tom:
>  
> Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. 
> Into the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors 
> in New York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be 
> seen on a single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in 
> among them was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that 
> time period that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls 
> could regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would 
> feed with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s 
> Island). 
>  
> Peter (Post)
> -  -  -  -  -  -  -
>  
> On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore  wrote:
>  
> Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 
> New York County (in N.Y. City) 
>  
> 3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
> afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
> this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
> Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
> (They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, 
> in terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for 
> this & other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year 
> when much movement is occurring).
>  
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RE: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread rcech 
My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
(exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 years. 
Anybody agree?

 

From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
To: NYS Birds 
Cc: Peter W. Post 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - 
Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

 

Thanks, Peter - 

 

I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them as 
more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the wider 
region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the rarer two 
species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so cuurently!  I wonder 
then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in New York County waters 
were which included even -for example- 100+ individuals, much less thousands on 
one day.  Thank you for the historical information!

 

Tom Fiore

manhattan

 -  -  -  -  -

 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post mailto:pwp...@nyc.rr.com> > wrote:

 

Tom:

 

Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. Into 
the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors in New 
York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be seen on a 
single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in among them 
was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that time period 
that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls could 
regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would feed 
with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s Island). 

 

Peter (Post)

-  -  -  -  -  -  -

 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore mailto:tom...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

 

Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 

New York County (in N.Y. City) 

 

3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
(They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, in 
terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for this 
& other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year when much 
movement is occurring).

 

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RE: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread rcech 
My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
(exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 years. 
Anybody agree?

 

From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
To: NYS Birds 
Cc: Peter W. Post 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - 
Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

 

Thanks, Peter - 

 

I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them as 
more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the wider 
region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the rarer two 
species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so cuurently!  I wonder 
then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in New York County waters 
were which included even -for example- 100+ individuals, much less thousands on 
one day.  Thank you for the historical information!

 

Tom Fiore

manhattan

 -  -  -  -  -

 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post mailto:pwp...@nyc.rr.com> > wrote:

 

Tom:

 

Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. Into 
the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors in New 
York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be seen on a 
single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in among them 
was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that time period 
that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls could 
regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would feed 
with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s Island). 

 

Peter (Post)

-  -  -  -  -  -  -

 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore mailto:tom...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

 

Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 

New York County (in N.Y. City) 

 

3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
(They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, in 
terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for this 
& other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year when much 
movement is occurring).

 

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[nysbirds-l] AMERICAN BITTERN pehlam bay park bronx county

2020-10-13 Thread patrickhoran 

While birding turtle cove just now I had an American bittern flush by the medal 
Bridge and land a short distance in the grass.totally hidden now in the grass 
now but worth checking for if your in the area.the bird landed by the pin.bronx 
countyDropped pinNear The Bronx, 
NYhttps://maps.app.goo.gl/DDQkEGw8dcseRQ2B9Sent from my Samsung Galaxy 
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[nysbirds-l] AMERICAN BITTERN pehlam bay park bronx county

2020-10-13 Thread patrickhoran 

While birding turtle cove just now I had an American bittern flush by the medal 
Bridge and land a short distance in the grass.totally hidden now in the grass 
now but worth checking for if your in the area.the bird landed by the pin.bronx 
countyDropped pinNear The Bronx, 
NYhttps://maps.app.goo.gl/DDQkEGw8dcseRQ2B9Sent from my Samsung Galaxy 
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[nysbirds-l] Thank you all for your help. Summary. Re: EBird eliminated "Summarize my Observations" - problem for Christmas Bird Count

2020-10-13 Thread Nancy Tognan 
I would like to thank all who replied to my eBird question.  Some replied to 
the entire listserve, others just to me.  Here is my analysis of all 
suggestions - hope it is useful.  I also found a non-eBird product that may 
help a number of people - see last suggestion of this email.

I think the best solution is for eBird to replace  the  “Summarize My 
Observations” feature as promised.  As eBird posted many months ago, "If you 
are looking for Summarize My Observations, please stay tuned for a new 
checklist summary tool in the coming year—we are modernizing the tool in a way 
that’ll make it even better than before.”

While waiting for eBird to decide if and when to develop this new feature:

Several birders (Joe Fell, Alan Wells, Adelia Honeywood) suggested downloading 
each checklist as a .csv and combining them in Excel, sorting them, and 
totaling on species.  Another (Arie Gilbert) suggested Avisys.  These are both 
time and effort-consuming solutions for something that used to take a couple of 
keystrokes.  Their use by some birders reflects that eBird is very good at 
collecting data but not adequate in retrieving it!

There are three suggestions that are especially useful for the CBC, which needs 
expeditious production of a trip summary with species totals.

The first was described in detail by Brendan Fogarty and referred to by Joshua 
Malbin.  Use the mobile app feature “Trip Summary” (first select the Checklists 
icon).  Use the TODAY option to email yourself the trip summary.
WARNING: This will retrieve only checklists submitted by that one device!  Any 
checklists shared to you will not be shown.  Anything done on the website is 
not shown, even corrections to a checklist that you submitted via the device.  
If you sign in a second device to the same account, the two lists of sightings 
are NOT combined.

The second suggestion was described in detail by Brent Bomkamp and referred to 
by Noah Strycker.  Use the website feature of My Ebird--Sightings List, then 
change the date range to the single CBC day.  This gives a list of all the 
species seen, but not how many of each.  Clicking on “View All” for a species 
gives you a total number of individuals (next to the green # of observations) 
that you need to write down.  Then, go back to the species list for the day, 
and repeat this for each species (This is time-consuming, and prone to 
transcribing errors.)
This solution will retrieve all of the day’s data for a user id, regardless of 
how it was entered or whether it was shared.  So groups using a “collective” id 
may collaborate their sightings.

Another useful suggestion was by Andrew Baksh:  view and post on the “eBird 
Community Discussion Group” on Facebook.  
I noticed a posting from Sept 1:  Birder Kent Fiala developed a website tool 
called the eBird Checklist compiler (use at your own risk).  It worked for me - 
I just had to Unprotect the Excel sheet to get the totals.It would be nice 
to have an official eBird product that has the same function; it would 
eliminate the setting up of ad hoc group “user i.d.s” to combine data just for 
one use.
https://www.faintlake.com/eBird/compiler/?fbclid=IwAR1RECMhhi2Q4H3E3SETW25FlScF-00RVq1v9d1qF9WubLjqHsWgmpV8Vnw
  

Hope all of this is useful.  

Nancy Tognan
nancy.tog...@gmail.com



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From: Nancy Tognan 
Subject: EBird eliminated "Summarize my Observations" - problem for Christmas 
Bird Count
Date: October 12, 2020 at 12:31:42 PM EDT
To: NYS Birds listserve 

I contacted eBird via their website on August 23, 2020 re the following 
complaint.  There has been no response.

EBird used to have the function “Summarize My Observations”, which has now been 
eliminated.  It was useful to produce a combined trip list of multiple 
locations.  It was especially useful for the Christmas Bird Count.

My North Nassau CBC sector includes 19 locations (each a separate spot to drive 
to).  In years past, I could produce a combined checklist in about 2 minutes 
using “Summarize My Observations”.  Now what?  Print 19 checklists and combine 
the data by hand?  This may take two hours instead of two minutes.

I would like to have seen “Summarize My Observations” be improved to allow more 
flexible dates and selection of locations.  Instead, the whole feature is gone 
- did eBird ask anyone before deleting it?  I feel that birders spend a lot of 
effort inputting their data - shouldn’t eBird give us a better interface to 
inquire on it?

Does the loss of this feature bother anyone else or just me?

By the way, these other features were also deleted:  species All-Time 
First/Last Records, Arrivals and Departures, and High Counts.  

Nancy Tognan







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[nysbirds-l] Thank you all for your help. Summary. Re: EBird eliminated "Summarize my Observations" - problem for Christmas Bird Count

2020-10-13 Thread Nancy Tognan 
I would like to thank all who replied to my eBird question.  Some replied to 
the entire listserve, others just to me.  Here is my analysis of all 
suggestions - hope it is useful.  I also found a non-eBird product that may 
help a number of people - see last suggestion of this email.

I think the best solution is for eBird to replace  the  “Summarize My 
Observations” feature as promised.  As eBird posted many months ago, "If you 
are looking for Summarize My Observations, please stay tuned for a new 
checklist summary tool in the coming year—we are modernizing the tool in a way 
that’ll make it even better than before.”

While waiting for eBird to decide if and when to develop this new feature:

Several birders (Joe Fell, Alan Wells, Adelia Honeywood) suggested downloading 
each checklist as a .csv and combining them in Excel, sorting them, and 
totaling on species.  Another (Arie Gilbert) suggested Avisys.  These are both 
time and effort-consuming solutions for something that used to take a couple of 
keystrokes.  Their use by some birders reflects that eBird is very good at 
collecting data but not adequate in retrieving it!

There are three suggestions that are especially useful for the CBC, which needs 
expeditious production of a trip summary with species totals.

The first was described in detail by Brendan Fogarty and referred to by Joshua 
Malbin.  Use the mobile app feature “Trip Summary” (first select the Checklists 
icon).  Use the TODAY option to email yourself the trip summary.
WARNING: This will retrieve only checklists submitted by that one device!  Any 
checklists shared to you will not be shown.  Anything done on the website is 
not shown, even corrections to a checklist that you submitted via the device.  
If you sign in a second device to the same account, the two lists of sightings 
are NOT combined.

The second suggestion was described in detail by Brent Bomkamp and referred to 
by Noah Strycker.  Use the website feature of My Ebird--Sightings List, then 
change the date range to the single CBC day.  This gives a list of all the 
species seen, but not how many of each.  Clicking on “View All” for a species 
gives you a total number of individuals (next to the green # of observations) 
that you need to write down.  Then, go back to the species list for the day, 
and repeat this for each species (This is time-consuming, and prone to 
transcribing errors.)
This solution will retrieve all of the day’s data for a user id, regardless of 
how it was entered or whether it was shared.  So groups using a “collective” id 
may collaborate their sightings.

Another useful suggestion was by Andrew Baksh:  view and post on the “eBird 
Community Discussion Group” on Facebook.  
I noticed a posting from Sept 1:  Birder Kent Fiala developed a website tool 
called the eBird Checklist compiler (use at your own risk).  It worked for me - 
I just had to Unprotect the Excel sheet to get the totals.It would be nice 
to have an official eBird product that has the same function; it would 
eliminate the setting up of ad hoc group “user i.d.s” to combine data just for 
one use.
https://www.faintlake.com/eBird/compiler/?fbclid=IwAR1RECMhhi2Q4H3E3SETW25FlScF-00RVq1v9d1qF9WubLjqHsWgmpV8Vnw
  

Hope all of this is useful.  

Nancy Tognan
nancy.tog...@gmail.com



Begin forwarded message:

From: Nancy Tognan 
Subject: EBird eliminated "Summarize my Observations" - problem for Christmas 
Bird Count
Date: October 12, 2020 at 12:31:42 PM EDT
To: NYS Birds listserve 

I contacted eBird via their website on August 23, 2020 re the following 
complaint.  There has been no response.

EBird used to have the function “Summarize My Observations”, which has now been 
eliminated.  It was useful to produce a combined trip list of multiple 
locations.  It was especially useful for the Christmas Bird Count.

My North Nassau CBC sector includes 19 locations (each a separate spot to drive 
to).  In years past, I could produce a combined checklist in about 2 minutes 
using “Summarize My Observations”.  Now what?  Print 19 checklists and combine 
the data by hand?  This may take two hours instead of two minutes.

I would like to have seen “Summarize My Observations” be improved to allow more 
flexible dates and selection of locations.  Instead, the whole feature is gone 
- did eBird ask anyone before deleting it?  I feel that birders spend a lot of 
effort inputting their data - shouldn’t eBird give us a better interface to 
inquire on it?

Does the loss of this feature bother anyone else or just me?

By the way, these other features were also deleted:  species All-Time 
First/Last Records, Arrivals and Departures, and High Counts.  

Nancy Tognan







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Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread Thomas Fiore 
Thanks, Peter - 

I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them as 
more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the wider 
region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the rarer two 
species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so cuurently!  I wonder 
then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in New York County waters 
were which included even -for example- 100+ individuals, much less thousands on 
one day.  Thank you for the historical information!

Tom Fiore
manhattan
 -  -  -  -  -

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post  wrote:
> 
> Tom:
> 
> Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. 
> Into the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors 
> in New York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be 
> seen on a single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in 
> among them was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that 
> time period that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls 
> could regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would 
> feed with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s 
> Island). 
> 
> Peter (Post)

-  -  -  -  -  -  -

>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore > > wrote:
>> 
>> Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 
>> New York County (in N.Y. City) 
>> 
>> 3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
>> afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
>> this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
>> Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
>> (They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, 
>> in terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for 
>> this & other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year 
>> when much movement is occurring).


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Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread Thomas Fiore 
Thanks, Peter - 

I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them as 
more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the wider 
region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the rarer two 
species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so cuurently!  I wonder 
then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in New York County waters 
were which included even -for example- 100+ individuals, much less thousands on 
one day.  Thank you for the historical information!

Tom Fiore
manhattan
 -  -  -  -  -

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post  wrote:
> 
> Tom:
> 
> Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. 
> Into the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors 
> in New York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be 
> seen on a single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in 
> among them was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that 
> time period that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls 
> could regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would 
> feed with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s 
> Island). 
> 
> Peter (Post)

-  -  -  -  -  -  -

>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore > > wrote:
>> 
>> Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 
>> New York County (in N.Y. City) 
>> 
>> 3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
>> afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
>> this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
>> Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
>> (They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, 
>> in terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for 
>> this & other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year 
>> when much movement is occurring).


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Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls, 2 Pluvialis plover spp., Ammospiza sparrows, other migrants, etc.

2020-10-13 Thread Peter W. Post 
Tom:

Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. Into 
the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors in New 
York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be seen on a 
single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in among them 
was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that time period 
that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls could 
regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would feed 
with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s Island). 

Peter (Post)


> On Oct 13, 2020, at 5:44 AM, Thomas Fiore  > wrote:
> 
> Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 
> New York County (in N.Y. City) 
> 
> 3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
> afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
> this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
> Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
> (They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, 
> in terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for 
> this & other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year 
> when much movement is occurring).

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Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls, 2 Pluvialis plover spp., Ammospiza sparrows, other migrants, etc.

2020-10-13 Thread Peter W. Post 
Tom:

Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. Into 
the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors in New 
York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be seen on a 
single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in among them 
was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that time period 
that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls could 
regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would feed 
with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s Island). 

Peter (Post)


> On Oct 13, 2020, at 5:44 AM, Thomas Fiore  > wrote:
> 
> Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 
> New York County (in N.Y. City) 
> 
> 3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
> afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
> this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
> Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
> (They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, 
> in terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for 
> this & other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year 
> when much movement is occurring).

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[nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls, 2 Pluvialis plover spp., Ammospiza sparrows, other migrants, etc.

2020-10-13 Thread Thomas Fiore 
Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 
New York County (in N.Y. City) 

3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
(They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, in 
terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for this 
& other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year when much 
movement is occurring).

The American Golden-Plover was again seen on the flats at the n. edges of 
Randall’s Island, from early a.m. to at least early afternoon. This makes the 
4th day since its glorious discovery by G. Hong of Manhattan at this location. 
And one observer who came slightly later than the (at least several) others who 
did get to observe the American Golden at this location has reported a 
(heard-only?) Black-bellied Plover on that island; that also is a very ‘rare’ 
bird for N.Y. County, & if seen again by anyone, should if possible be photo’d. 
I was also an early-bird at Randall’s for a bit, and while the American Golden 
was present, I was also, equally, curious to see if perhaps any unusual-other 
birds, or evidence of any unusual movement or a potential ‘fall-out’ may have 
been in progress, or had occurred.  

Numbers of some sparrows there were at good levels but hardly to any ‘fall-out’ 
conditions; the occurrence of Nelson’s Sparrow, a species known to be regular 
if not at all common there in the salt-marsh grasses & thickets, is ongoing 
with some or all the others who came in later also finding that species; I 
'should have' atttempted some photos but was leery of the rain & ended up 
leaving the point-and-shoot in its plastic baggie, in the backpack.  However, 
at least one of later-in-day observers (E. Goodman) did take a lot of sparrow 
photos at Randall’s, and the results look good for Nelson’s in particular, and 
also Saltmarsh Sparrow. This is the one area of the county where these 
Ammospiza (2 species, of that genus) seem to be reliable, within the window of 
peak movement. (It would be interesting to find these also on Governors Island, 
although some of that island’s habitat is not fully accessible, at least to 
most visitors.)

The whole of Randall’s Island seemed to have a reasonable array of expected 
other species, these including high no’s. of Laughing Gull, well into the 
several hundred range… but no unusual gulls were detected. A Green Heron 
(getting late) was reported there (A. Vinson, et al) & some Pine Siskins were 
contuning there as well. Yellow-crowned Night-Heron also is ongoing there: the 
place in the county for it! And, a Wilson’s Snipe was also reported near day’s 
end, from Randall’s Island (by C. Quinn).  If seeking the shorebirds at this 
location, keep in mind that all may be mobile, partly for tide-change but also 
as some disturbances (including of course passes by raptors) are possible there 
at any time of day.  (A reliable report of 2 C. Nighthawks at Randall’s Island, 
on Sunday, 10/11 was added to eBird for that day, by F. Pimentel.)

I then put in the remainder of the day at Central Park (more or less homeward 
bound, albeit with zig-zagging from 110th St. to Central Park South, & Fifth 
Ave. to C.P. West, criss-crossing the park multiple times, and including stops 
in the Hallett Sanctuary & Pond areas, and the s.w. sector that’s relatively 
rarely-birded, plus that now-famous compost & plant-nursery area in the n. end 
of the park, & many points between, also including 2 separated long scans on 
the C.P. reservoir - where at the peak-hour I was able to view, up to 850 gulls 
were present, crowding the central dike of the reservoir, & a fair number also 
loafing on the waters or flying in & out - as gulls regularly do here, at all 
seasons (not many gulls actually roost here at night, indeed, often none do). 
There were 4 species of gulls present as far as I could find, a few Laughing, 
the rest all Great Black-backed (into the 100’s at their peak in late morning, 
a fairly high count for the location) and American Herring (many) as well as 
Ring-billed, which were esp. the species loafing on the waters, &/or flying to 
& fro. No unusual nor unexpected duckage (at least 1 G.-w. Teal in the 
reservoir, which has been a semi-regular species this season), or other unusual 
waterbirds were noticed, either here or at any of the park’s waterbodies - nor 
were no’s. of ducks, per particular species seen, in higher no’s. than in 
recent prior days.  An Osprey was noted moving along through the low clouds.

Still in Central, there were some areas with what could have been termed 
low-density fallout of smaller birds, especially sparrows, Palm Warbler, and a 
mix of other migrant species. One such location was the edges

[nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls, 2 Pluvialis plover spp., Ammospiza sparrows, other migrants, etc.

2020-10-13 Thread Thomas Fiore 
Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 
New York County (in N.Y. City) 

3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
(They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, in 
terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for this 
& other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year when much 
movement is occurring).

The American Golden-Plover was again seen on the flats at the n. edges of 
Randall’s Island, from early a.m. to at least early afternoon. This makes the 
4th day since its glorious discovery by G. Hong of Manhattan at this location. 
And one observer who came slightly later than the (at least several) others who 
did get to observe the American Golden at this location has reported a 
(heard-only?) Black-bellied Plover on that island; that also is a very ‘rare’ 
bird for N.Y. County, & if seen again by anyone, should if possible be photo’d. 
I was also an early-bird at Randall’s for a bit, and while the American Golden 
was present, I was also, equally, curious to see if perhaps any unusual-other 
birds, or evidence of any unusual movement or a potential ‘fall-out’ may have 
been in progress, or had occurred.  

Numbers of some sparrows there were at good levels but hardly to any ‘fall-out’ 
conditions; the occurrence of Nelson’s Sparrow, a species known to be regular 
if not at all common there in the salt-marsh grasses & thickets, is ongoing 
with some or all the others who came in later also finding that species; I 
'should have' atttempted some photos but was leery of the rain & ended up 
leaving the point-and-shoot in its plastic baggie, in the backpack.  However, 
at least one of later-in-day observers (E. Goodman) did take a lot of sparrow 
photos at Randall’s, and the results look good for Nelson’s in particular, and 
also Saltmarsh Sparrow. This is the one area of the county where these 
Ammospiza (2 species, of that genus) seem to be reliable, within the window of 
peak movement. (It would be interesting to find these also on Governors Island, 
although some of that island’s habitat is not fully accessible, at least to 
most visitors.)

The whole of Randall’s Island seemed to have a reasonable array of expected 
other species, these including high no’s. of Laughing Gull, well into the 
several hundred range… but no unusual gulls were detected. A Green Heron 
(getting late) was reported there (A. Vinson, et al) & some Pine Siskins were 
contuning there as well. Yellow-crowned Night-Heron also is ongoing there: the 
place in the county for it! And, a Wilson’s Snipe was also reported near day’s 
end, from Randall’s Island (by C. Quinn).  If seeking the shorebirds at this 
location, keep in mind that all may be mobile, partly for tide-change but also 
as some disturbances (including of course passes by raptors) are possible there 
at any time of day.  (A reliable report of 2 C. Nighthawks at Randall’s Island, 
on Sunday, 10/11 was added to eBird for that day, by F. Pimentel.)

I then put in the remainder of the day at Central Park (more or less homeward 
bound, albeit with zig-zagging from 110th St. to Central Park South, & Fifth 
Ave. to C.P. West, criss-crossing the park multiple times, and including stops 
in the Hallett Sanctuary & Pond areas, and the s.w. sector that’s relatively 
rarely-birded, plus that now-famous compost & plant-nursery area in the n. end 
of the park, & many points between, also including 2 separated long scans on 
the C.P. reservoir - where at the peak-hour I was able to view, up to 850 gulls 
were present, crowding the central dike of the reservoir, & a fair number also 
loafing on the waters or flying in & out - as gulls regularly do here, at all 
seasons (not many gulls actually roost here at night, indeed, often none do). 
There were 4 species of gulls present as far as I could find, a few Laughing, 
the rest all Great Black-backed (into the 100’s at their peak in late morning, 
a fairly high count for the location) and American Herring (many) as well as 
Ring-billed, which were esp. the species loafing on the waters, &/or flying to 
& fro. No unusual nor unexpected duckage (at least 1 G.-w. Teal in the 
reservoir, which has been a semi-regular species this season), or other unusual 
waterbirds were noticed, either here or at any of the park’s waterbodies - nor 
were no’s. of ducks, per particular species seen, in higher no’s. than in 
recent prior days.  An Osprey was noted moving along through the low clouds.

Still in Central, there were some areas with what could have been termed 
low-density fallout of smaller birds, especially sparrows, Palm Warbler, and a 
mix of other migrant species. One such location was the edges