Re: [nysbirds-l] The species of snail that the Limpkin was eating in Lewiston

[steve rosenthal]

It's interesting to see this bird was eating terrestrial snails.  When
seeing the subject line of the email chain I would have guessed that
it had been eating the  freshwater 'chinese mystery snail',
Cipangopaludina chinensis, a
widespread, established invasive, which is present in the Hudson and
Niagara River systems (and probably lots of other places in upstate
NY- they are widespread here on Long Island).

The 'mystery snail' approximates the size and shape (and possibly the
nutritional value) of the normal prey species down South (apple
snails- genus Pomacea-   1 native and several introduced species).


On 12/6/22, Andy Guthrie  wrote:
> Here's an iNat entry from Tim Healy of a closely-related Brown-lipped Snail
> in the Limpkin's bill -
>
> https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/142160854
>
> Andy Guthrie
> Hamlin, NY
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 9:47 AM Seth Ausubel  wrote:
>
>> Looks like the White-lipped Snail, Cepaea hortensis:
>> https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/51039-Cepaea-hortensis
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Willie D'Anna 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello birders!
>>
>> Almost everyone who was able to watch the Limpkin this November in
>> Lewiston, noted that it was eating a prodigious number of snails. You
>> usually only had to wait a few seconds before you would see it probing
>> into
>> the ground, pulling out a snail, cracking it open, peeling off the shell,
>> then throwing it down the hatch. I was told that this was not a native
>> species of snail but unfortunately, after seeing so many people, I don’t
>> remember who told me that.
>>
>> It is well known that Limpkins are expanding their breeding range in the
>> southeastern US, due to the presence of an invasive species of apple
>> snail.
>> However, that apple snail has not made it anywhere close to NYS, as far
>> as
>> I am aware. It is also much larger than the snails that the Limpkin was
>> feeding on in Lewiston.
>>
>> If anyone knows anything about the snails that the Lewiston Limpkin was
>> feeding on, I would appreciate hearing from you. If you can provide a
>> published reference or let me know where your information is from, that
>> would be great. This could be used in an article I am currently writing.
>>
>> There are several photos of the bird with a snail. You can look through
>> all of the photos of this bird on eBird:
>> https://media.ebird.org/catalog?taxonCode=limpki=US-NY-063
>> Some nice ones with a snail are in this checklist from Karen Lee Lewis:
>> https://ebird.org/checklist/S122604545  Here is another from Brian Morse:
>> https://ebird.org/checklist/S122609092  There is a nice close-up of the
>> snail in this checklist from Alan Bloom:
>> https://ebird.org/checklist/S122570469  Another close-up here, from Tim
>> Healy: https://ebird.org/checklist/S122510990 One from Kyle Gage:
>> https://ebird.org/checklist/S122518905  From Joel Farwell:
>> https://ebird.org/checklist/S122507081
>>
>> Thanks, and good birding!
>> Willie
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Re: [nysbirds-l] The species of snail that the Limpkin was eating in Lewiston

[steve rosenthal]

It's interesting to see this bird was eating terrestrial snails.  When
seeing the subject line of the email chain I would have guessed that
it had been eating the  freshwater 'chinese mystery snail',
Cipangopaludina chinensis, a
widespread, established invasive, which is present in the Hudson and
Niagara River systems (and probably lots of other places in upstate
NY- they are widespread here on Long Island).

The 'mystery snail' approximates the size and shape (and possibly the
nutritional value) of the normal prey species down South (apple
snails- genus Pomacea-   1 native and several introduced species).


On 12/6/22, Andy Guthrie  wrote:
> Here's an iNat entry from Tim Healy of a closely-related Brown-lipped Snail
> in the Limpkin's bill -
>
> https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/142160854
>
> Andy Guthrie
> Hamlin, NY
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 9:47 AM Seth Ausubel  wrote:
>
>> Looks like the White-lipped Snail, Cepaea hortensis:
>> https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/51039-Cepaea-hortensis
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Willie D'Anna 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello birders!
>>
>> Almost everyone who was able to watch the Limpkin this November in
>> Lewiston, noted that it was eating a prodigious number of snails. You
>> usually only had to wait a few seconds before you would see it probing
>> into
>> the ground, pulling out a snail, cracking it open, peeling off the shell,
>> then throwing it down the hatch. I was told that this was not a native
>> species of snail but unfortunately, after seeing so many people, I don’t
>> remember who told me that.
>>
>> It is well known that Limpkins are expanding their breeding range in the
>> southeastern US, due to the presence of an invasive species of apple
>> snail.
>> However, that apple snail has not made it anywhere close to NYS, as far
>> as
>> I am aware. It is also much larger than the snails that the Limpkin was
>> feeding on in Lewiston.
>>
>> If anyone knows anything about the snails that the Lewiston Limpkin was
>> feeding on, I would appreciate hearing from you. If you can provide a
>> published reference or let me know where your information is from, that
>> would be great. This could be used in an article I am currently writing.
>>
>> There are several photos of the bird with a snail. You can look through
>> all of the photos of this bird on eBird:
>> https://media.ebird.org/catalog?taxonCode=limpki=US-NY-063
>> Some nice ones with a snail are in this checklist from Karen Lee Lewis:
>> https://ebird.org/checklist/S122604545  Here is another from Brian Morse:
>> https://ebird.org/checklist/S122609092  There is a nice close-up of the
>> snail in this checklist from Alan Bloom:
>> https://ebird.org/checklist/S122570469  Another close-up here, from Tim
>> Healy: https://ebird.org/checklist/S122510990 One from Kyle Gage:
>> https://ebird.org/checklist/S122518905  From Joel Farwell:
>> https://ebird.org/checklist/S122507081
>>
>> Thanks, and good birding!
>> Willie
>> --
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>> Wilson, NY
>> dannapotterATroadrunnerDOTcom
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Spotted Towhee question - Baldwin, LI (Nassau County)

[steve rosenthal]

Hello all,

Speaking of tracking vagrants, I'm sure you will all remember a few
weeks ago the reports of a young brown pelican that was flying up,
then down the Hudson River?  Well, this was in the 'good news' section
of a daily COVID Newsletter  that New York State issues daily, dated
05 Feb (my sisters subscribe,  and forwarded to me),  I make no
conclusions if its the same bird:


Tonight's "Deep Breath Moment": After a pelican got lost and ended up
in the cold waters of Connecticut, a local flying club helped the bird
find its way south. Pelicans are seldom seen north of Virginia, so it
was a surprise when a pelican was found, half-frozen and injured, in a
Connecticut marina—perhaps having been blown too far north in a storm.
Fortunately, the pelican, named Arvay, was rescued and given care that
saved its life. A pilot at a Connecticut flying club then flew the
bird to Florida in her small plane. "I just love animals and do
anything I can to help animals, so when I saw this and saw he needed
to get to his new home, I figured why not help out," said the pilot,
Arianna Strand. Arvay is now recovering at the Busch Wildlife
Sanctuary in Jupiter, Florida.


  (Shai, Karen, I'm not sure i can 'post' to the list so if this
doesnt show up there, feel free to post/paste it in yourselves)

Steve R.



On 2/15/21, Shaibal Mitra  wrote:
> Hi Karen and all,
>
> I haven't looked at a lot of photos of either bird, but my impression is
> that the MA bird's brown areas are browner and its dorsal spots are whiter
> than the LI bird's (grayer on the head and back and buffier on the dorsal
> spots). But this could be an artifact of lighting or photography.
>
> With improved coverage, communication, and photographs it has became
> possible in recent years to link widely spaced detections of vagrants to
> individual birds--much to the amazement of some of us. Most often, however,
> these events involve larger and more conspicuous species, such as pelicans,
> raptors, and shorebirds. Conversely, there are several reasons to believe
> that we are overlooking the vast majority of reclusive passerine vagrants.
> For instance, two things happen each year in mid-late March: known vagrants
> over-wintering at feeders (or like this bird) wander off and disappear, not
> to be detected anywhere else; but at the same time, new vagrants are
> detected by birders in the act of birding, implying that these too had
> wintered nearby but had gone undetected for months. I'd also add that it is
> the norm, not the exception, for vagrants of a given species to occur in
> bunches, owing to the year to year variability in the processes driving
> vagrancy (e.g., population trends on the breeding grounds, environmental
> conditions conducive to long-distance dispersal, etc.).
>
> Even so, it is worthwhile asking the question and publishing evidence for
> identity, when it is found.
>
> Best,
> Shai
> 
> From: bounce-125386974-3714...@list.cornell.edu
> [bounce-125386974-3714...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Karen Fung
> [easternblueb...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 8:13 PM
> To: nysbirds-L@cornell.edu
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Spotted Towhee question - Baldwin, LI (Nassau County)
>
> Hi All,
> Has anyone considered the possibility that this bird, first reported by Shai
> and Pat on 2 January, is the same individual that was widely reported in
> Bristol County, MA  from 9 November - 15 December 2020?
>
> The Massachusetts  bird was ID'd as an immature, and the few photos I
> examined of that individual looked similar to the many photos of the Baldwin
> bird.  The one audio recording of the Baldwin bird sounds similar to the
> many recordings of the one in MA, but if this is an immature, then the
> spectrograms don't even have to be an exact match if the bird is still
> learning its song repertoire (please correct me if I'm wrong).
>
> Here is the search I used on eBird to produce the reports.  Not sure if you
> need to log in to see the actual query.
>
> https://ebird.org/map/spotow?neg=true=-72.1743936079403=40.95926453047936=-70.49485869583093=42.03817728084794=true=false=Z=on=11=2=range=2019=2021
>
> Thoughts, anyone?  Spotted Towhee is a pretty rare find in the Northeast.  I
> have not tried for this bird yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Karen Fung
> NYC
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Spotted Towhee question - Baldwin, LI (Nassau County)

[steve rosenthal]

Hello all,

Speaking of tracking vagrants, I'm sure you will all remember a few
weeks ago the reports of a young brown pelican that was flying up,
then down the Hudson River?  Well, this was in the 'good news' section
of a daily COVID Newsletter  that New York State issues daily, dated
05 Feb (my sisters subscribe,  and forwarded to me),  I make no
conclusions if its the same bird:


Tonight's "Deep Breath Moment": After a pelican got lost and ended up
in the cold waters of Connecticut, a local flying club helped the bird
find its way south. Pelicans are seldom seen north of Virginia, so it
was a surprise when a pelican was found, half-frozen and injured, in a
Connecticut marina—perhaps having been blown too far north in a storm.
Fortunately, the pelican, named Arvay, was rescued and given care that
saved its life. A pilot at a Connecticut flying club then flew the
bird to Florida in her small plane. "I just love animals and do
anything I can to help animals, so when I saw this and saw he needed
to get to his new home, I figured why not help out," said the pilot,
Arianna Strand. Arvay is now recovering at the Busch Wildlife
Sanctuary in Jupiter, Florida.


  (Shai, Karen, I'm not sure i can 'post' to the list so if this
doesnt show up there, feel free to post/paste it in yourselves)

Steve R.



On 2/15/21, Shaibal Mitra  wrote:
> Hi Karen and all,
>
> I haven't looked at a lot of photos of either bird, but my impression is
> that the MA bird's brown areas are browner and its dorsal spots are whiter
> than the LI bird's (grayer on the head and back and buffier on the dorsal
> spots). But this could be an artifact of lighting or photography.
>
> With improved coverage, communication, and photographs it has became
> possible in recent years to link widely spaced detections of vagrants to
> individual birds--much to the amazement of some of us. Most often, however,
> these events involve larger and more conspicuous species, such as pelicans,
> raptors, and shorebirds. Conversely, there are several reasons to believe
> that we are overlooking the vast majority of reclusive passerine vagrants.
> For instance, two things happen each year in mid-late March: known vagrants
> over-wintering at feeders (or like this bird) wander off and disappear, not
> to be detected anywhere else; but at the same time, new vagrants are
> detected by birders in the act of birding, implying that these too had
> wintered nearby but had gone undetected for months. I'd also add that it is
> the norm, not the exception, for vagrants of a given species to occur in
> bunches, owing to the year to year variability in the processes driving
> vagrancy (e.g., population trends on the breeding grounds, environmental
> conditions conducive to long-distance dispersal, etc.).
>
> Even so, it is worthwhile asking the question and publishing evidence for
> identity, when it is found.
>
> Best,
> Shai
> 
> From: bounce-125386974-3714...@list.cornell.edu
> [bounce-125386974-3714...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Karen Fung
> [easternblueb...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 8:13 PM
> To: nysbirds-L@cornell.edu
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Spotted Towhee question - Baldwin, LI (Nassau County)
>
> Hi All,
> Has anyone considered the possibility that this bird, first reported by Shai
> and Pat on 2 January, is the same individual that was widely reported in
> Bristol County, MA  from 9 November - 15 December 2020?
>
> The Massachusetts  bird was ID'd as an immature, and the few photos I
> examined of that individual looked similar to the many photos of the Baldwin
> bird.  The one audio recording of the Baldwin bird sounds similar to the
> many recordings of the one in MA, but if this is an immature, then the
> spectrograms don't even have to be an exact match if the bird is still
> learning its song repertoire (please correct me if I'm wrong).
>
> Here is the search I used on eBird to produce the reports.  Not sure if you
> need to log in to see the actual query.
>
> https://ebird.org/map/spotow?neg=true=-72.1743936079403=40.95926453047936=-70.49485869583093=42.03817728084794=true=false=Z=on=11=2=range=2019=2021
>
> Thoughts, anyone?  Spotted Towhee is a pretty rare find in the Northeast.  I
> have not tried for this bird yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Karen Fung
> NYC
>
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] CT Zone-tailed Hawk sighting today

[steve rosenthal]

That's pretty interesting, for the record according to google the
(driving)  distance from "Kiptopeke VA to Cape May NJ"   is   4 h 37
min (158.7 mi)

On 9/23/15, Steve Walter  wrote:
> From the Kiptopeke Hawkwatch (tip of Virginia's Eastern Shore) report
> today:
>
>
>
> The highlight of the day was the Zone-tailed Hawk that passed low over the
> platform at 315 pm this afternoon and offered fantastic views for everyone
> on the platform. This is without a doubt the same bird seen earlier in the
> day in Cape May, NJ, meaning it made the trip from Cape May to Kiptopeke in
> just over 4 hours time.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: bounce-119680084-8873...@list.cornell.edu
> [mailto:bounce-119680084-8873...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Sime
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 12:32 PM
> To: nys birds
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] CT Zone-tailed Hawk sighting today
>
>
>
> I just saw a mention on Facebook that the Zone-tailed Hawk meandering
> around
> the northeast this fall was seen moving past Lighthouse Point, CT earlier
> today. I have sent an email out for further details as what was posted to
> the CT list mentions nothing of the bird's movement when the sighting
> ended.
> The post was timestamped at 9:59am.
>
>
>
> If heading south, this bird will fly through NY somewhere along the
> coastline, probably in Westchester and then it has a lot of options of how
> to head south. Eyes on the skies and good luck!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Sean Sime
>
> Brooklyn, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] CT Zone-tailed Hawk sighting today

[steve rosenthal]

That's pretty interesting, for the record according to google the
(driving)  distance from "Kiptopeke VA to Cape May NJ"   is   4 h 37
min (158.7 mi)

On 9/23/15, Steve Walter  wrote:
> From the Kiptopeke Hawkwatch (tip of Virginia's Eastern Shore) report
> today:
>
>
>
> The highlight of the day was the Zone-tailed Hawk that passed low over the
> platform at 315 pm this afternoon and offered fantastic views for everyone
> on the platform. This is without a doubt the same bird seen earlier in the
> day in Cape May, NJ, meaning it made the trip from Cape May to Kiptopeke in
> just over 4 hours time.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: bounce-119680084-8873...@list.cornell.edu
> [mailto:bounce-119680084-8873...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Sime
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 12:32 PM
> To: nys birds
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] CT Zone-tailed Hawk sighting today
>
>
>
> I just saw a mention on Facebook that the Zone-tailed Hawk meandering
> around
> the northeast this fall was seen moving past Lighthouse Point, CT earlier
> today. I have sent an email out for further details as what was posted to
> the CT list mentions nothing of the bird's movement when the sighting
> ended.
> The post was timestamped at 9:59am.
>
>
>
> If heading south, this bird will fly through NY somewhere along the
> coastline, probably in Westchester and then it has a lot of options of how
> to head south. Eyes on the skies and good luck!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Sean Sime
>
> Brooklyn, NY
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope still present this morning as of about 10 am

[steve rosenthal]

I haven't checked this year, but usually there are lots of juvenile
Fowler's toads  in the sandy areas near the fishermen's parking area
past the Coast Guard station. Never have figured out where the
freshwater was over there.

On 7/22/15, Rick  wrote:
> Yes, last weekend in dunes, somewhat near dried ponds.
>
> Rick Cech
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: "Grover, Bob" 
> Date:07/22/2015  1:15 PM  (GMT-05:00)
> To: Ardith Bondi , New York Birds
> 
> Cc:
> Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope still present this morning as of
> about 10 am
>
> That is really interesting.  Has anyone encountered any Fowlers Toads in the
> park this year?
>
>
>
>
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> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope still present this morning as of about
> 10 am
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> A novel find on my way between the WE Nature Center and the blind, was an
> Eastern Hog-nosed Snake (rangers in NC helped me ID it). My first Jones
> Beach snake. Unfortunately, it took off too fast for a portrait.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope still present this morning as of about 10 am

[steve rosenthal]

I haven't checked this year, but usually there are lots of juvenile
Fowler's toads  in the sandy areas near the fishermen's parking area
past the Coast Guard station. Never have figured out where the
freshwater was over there.

On 7/22/15, Rick rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 Yes, last weekend in dunes, somewhat near dried ponds.

 Rick Cech


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  Original message 
 From: Grover, Bob rgro...@gpinet.com
 Date:07/22/2015  1:15 PM  (GMT-05:00)
 To: Ardith Bondi ard...@earthlink.net, New York Birds
 nysbirds-L@cornell.edu
 Cc:
 Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Red Phalarope still present this morning as of
 about 10 am

 That is really interesting.  Has anyone encountered any Fowlers Toads in the
 park this year?




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 10 am

 A novel find on my way between the WE Nature Center and the blind, was an
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Nickerson BBWD (Nassau Co.) Potential Search Strategy

[steve rosenthal]

I was told by the park office the parking fee is collected from 9am-
5pm.  Several birders were able to get permission to enter
specifically to look at/for the ducks  before 5pm by talking to the
person manning the booth, though there are no guarantees.

On 7/21/15, Brendan Fogarty  wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> When the whistling-ducks took off this afternoon, then flew west but low,
> and may not have gone far. I stopped in at Conservation and Waterways and
> talked with some of the plover crew there - this year the only other nearby
> body of water is only a few hundred feet southwest of the southwest corner
> of that same lot - you can access it by walking out to the beach (footpaths
> or the vehicle path along the west side of the lot) and heading right (west)
> toward the fenced-off, natural dune area right there. There are NO other
> vernal pools further back in the dunes; just let that area be.
> As for access, Nickerson is a problem, Sidestreet parking across Lido Blvd
> is NOT allowed in summer from 8am-8pm for most areas that I saw. Car access
> to the parking lot is $8 if you have a Leisure Pass (which costs $80 for the
> season), otherwise $30 - until they stop collecting sometime in the evening
> (6pm?). The best nearby parking option is likely the Lido Passive Preserve,
> just one stoplight to the east of Nickerson, then walk or bike into
> Nickerson. Good luck,Brendan Fogarty
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Nickerson BBWD (Nassau Co.) Potential Search Strategy

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I was told by the park office the parking fee is collected from 9am-
5pm.  Several birders were able to get permission to enter
specifically to look at/for the ducks  before 5pm by talking to the
person manning the booth, though there are no guarantees.

On 7/21/15, Brendan Fogarty birde...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hey everyone,
 When the whistling-ducks took off this afternoon, then flew west but low,
 and may not have gone far. I stopped in at Conservation and Waterways and
 talked with some of the plover crew there - this year the only other nearby
 body of water is only a few hundred feet southwest of the southwest corner
 of that same lot - you can access it by walking out to the beach (footpaths
 or the vehicle path along the west side of the lot) and heading right (west)
 toward the fenced-off, natural dune area right there. There are NO other
 vernal pools further back in the dunes; just let that area be.
 As for access, Nickerson is a problem, Sidestreet parking across Lido Blvd
 is NOT allowed in summer from 8am-8pm for most areas that I saw. Car access
 to the parking lot is $8 if you have a Leisure Pass (which costs $80 for the
 season), otherwise $30 - until they stop collecting sometime in the evening
 (6pm?). The best nearby parking option is likely the Lido Passive Preserve,
 just one stoplight to the east of Nickerson, then walk or bike into
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Re: [nysbirds-l] C. Ground dove YES

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I saw it at 4:30 scurrying  around the sewer grating right before the
"prohibited activities" sign there,  and wandering around the adjacent
grass/sand. it flew into the taller bushes there as the sun was going
down.

On 11/12/14, Arie Gilbert  wrote:
> I got a call from Phil Uruburu @ 12:25 pm stating that the Common Ground Dov
> continues
> in the median entering WE field 2.
>
> Arie Gilbert
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>> .at entrance exit of we 2 M.obs
>> As reported previously
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>> 11/11/2014 @ 11:32 AM
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Re: [nysbirds-l] C. Ground dove YES

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I saw it at 4:30 scurrying  around the sewer grating right before the
prohibited activities sign there,  and wandering around the adjacent
grass/sand. it flew into the taller bushes there as the sun was going
down.

On 11/12/14, Arie Gilbert ariegilb...@optonline.net wrote:
 I got a call from Phil Uruburu @ 12:25 pm stating that the Common Ground Dov
 continues
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 .at entrance exit of we 2 M.obs
 As reported previously


 11/11/2014 @ 11:32 AM

 Arie Gilbert
 No. Babylon NY

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Re:[nysbirds-l] Snowy Owls on CBS evening news

[steve rosenthal]

correction before 7pm

On 1/9/14, steve rosenthal  wrote:
> from the lead in to the broadcast I think tonights CBS national news
> is going to have a story on the snowy owl irruption by the end of
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[nysbirds-l] Snowy Owls on CBS evening news

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from the lead in to the broadcast I think tonights CBS national news
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from the lead in to the broadcast I think tonights CBS national news
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Re:[nysbirds-l] Snowy Owls on CBS evening news

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correction before 7pm

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 from the lead in to the broadcast I think tonights CBS national news
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Snowy Owls being shot at JFK

[steve rosenthal]

i called the number and if you wait for option 3 (speak to an
assistant) you can leave a polite message with a real live person, as
i did.  whether of course that has any impact is to be seen.

On 12/9/13, Linda Orkin  wrote:
> Thanks Betsy for this information. I think it is horrendous that such a
> time sensitive and destructive issue can only be addressed by snail mail in
> this day and age. I am doing as you suggest, but still urge all to flood
> Cuomo's office with phone calls.  (518) 474-8390
>
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca, NY
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Betsy Russell
> wrote:
>
>> I did call the NYC phone # given this morning in order to register my
>> sentiments re: Snowy Owls being shot at JFK.  The call was routed to
>> Albany
>> where is was kindly and carefully explained to me that this issue needs
>> to
>> be addressed by the public in writing, hard copy, snail mail if it is
>> ever
>> going to reach the agency (DEC) that will most likely address it.  The
>> woman said that one should also request a reply with contact info. so
>> that
>> you can follow up if you want to.
>>
>> I asked about e-mailing and the woman said the way the system worked in
>> Albany it should only be hard copy. They scan them into their system and
>> then send all letters regarding a particular issue on the the agency that
>> will most likely address it. She explained if it is not done by hard copy
>> your complaints will enter a big black hole.  For what it's
>> worththis is the address I was given.
>>
>> New York State Govenor's Correspondence Unit
>> 1 Commerce Plaza
>> 99 Washington Ave.
>> Albany, NY 12231
>>
>> Betsy Russell
>>
>>
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>> From: Glenn Wilson 
>> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
>> Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 12:09 pm
>> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Snowy Owls being shot at
>> JFK
>>
>>  Speaking of bird control, it is going to the dogs. grin
>> (And this is probably the wrong forum to talk about goose for the
>> holiday.)
>> www.birdstrikecontrol.com/bcs.html - Border Collies are now the
>> fastest-growing
>> and most popular form of bird control on airports, military airbases,
>> golf
>> courses and other venues across the country.
>>
>> Links to a pdf -
>> digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1014=icwdm_wdmconfproc
>> www.canadageese.org/bcis.html - Coalition to Prevent the Destruction of
>> Canada
>> Geese
>>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Snowy Owls being shot at JFK

[steve rosenthal]

i called the number and if you wait for option 3 (speak to an
assistant) you can leave a polite message with a real live person, as
i did.  whether of course that has any impact is to be seen.

On 12/9/13, Linda Orkin wingmagi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks Betsy for this information. I think it is horrendous that such a
 time sensitive and destructive issue can only be addressed by snail mail in
 this day and age. I am doing as you suggest, but still urge all to flood
 Cuomo's office with phone calls.  (518) 474-8390

 Linda Orkin
 Ithaca, NY


 On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Betsy Russell
 betsywruss...@aol.comwrote:

 I did call the NYC phone # given this morning in order to register my
 sentiments re: Snowy Owls being shot at JFK.  The call was routed to
 Albany
 where is was kindly and carefully explained to me that this issue needs
 to
 be addressed by the public in writing, hard copy, snail mail if it is
 ever
 going to reach the agency (DEC) that will most likely address it.  The
 woman said that one should also request a reply with contact info. so
 that
 you can follow up if you want to.

 I asked about e-mailing and the woman said the way the system worked in
 Albany it should only be hard copy. They scan them into their system and
 then send all letters regarding a particular issue on the the agency that
 will most likely address it. She explained if it is not done by hard copy
 your complaints will enter a big black hole.  For what it's
 worththis is the address I was given.

 New York State Govenor's Correspondence Unit
 1 Commerce Plaza
 99 Washington Ave.
 Albany, NY 12231

 Betsy Russell



  -Original Message-
 From: Glenn Wilson caven...@gmail.com
 To: CAYUGABIRDS-L cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu
 Sent: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 12:09 pm
 Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Snowy Owls being shot at
 JFK

  Speaking of bird control, it is going to the dogs. grin
 (And this is probably the wrong forum to talk about goose for the
 holiday.)
 www.birdstrikecontrol.com/bcs.html - Border Collies are now the
 fastest-growing
 and most popular form of bird control on airports, military airbases,
 golf
 courses and other venues across the country.

 Links to a pdf -
 digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1014context=icwdm_wdmconfproc
 www.canadageese.org/bcis.html - Coalition to Prevent the Destruction of
 Canada
 Geese

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Re: [JERSEYBI] My Take on Snowy Owl

[steve rosenthal]

you beat me to it by a few minutes. The string is noteworthy for the
inclusion, yet again, of real studies with real data, viewed in the
context of evolution and natural selection,  rather than just
conjecture.

On 12/8/13, Ardith Bondi  wrote:
> I think this discussion is worthy of posting for NYSBirders as well.
>
> Ardith Bondi
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [JERSEYBI] My Take on Snowy Owl
> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 12:58:46 -0500
> From: Steve Mattan 
> Reply-To: Steve Mattan 
> To: jerse...@lists.princeton.edu
>
> With respect to this comment by Phil Jeffery (full email below):
>
> "It's also the case that a lot of these Snowy's are in bad shape, and being
> pushed around costs energy which has impact on mortality."
>
> This may be of interest (from an email thread not unlike this one on
> PABIRDS):
>
>> From: Scott Weidensaul 
>> Date: December 8, 2013 at 7:44:40 AM EST
>> To: pabi...@list.audubon.org
>> Subject: Re: [PABIRDS] Snowy Owls and caution
>> Reply-To: Scott Weidensaul 
>>
>>  While John's comments come from the very best place - concern for the
>> birds - I'm afraid he's repeating a very common and widespread myth about
>> snowy owls, one that even many scientists and top birders believe: that
>> they're struggling to survive down here.
>>
>>  In fact, the research shows the opposite - that starvation is a fairly
>> rare fate for most of the snowy owls that come south. Norman Smith in
>> Massachusetts, for example, has satellite tagged 20 snowies for his
>> 30-year study. Fifteen returned to the Arctic, and of the four that died,
>> three were shot and one was hit by a plane. None starved. In the 1980s,
>> Paul Kerlinger and his colleagues published a series of papers on snowy
>> owls in the Great Plains, including a review of mortality. Again, they
>> found that trauma was the leading cause, few starved, and more than half
>> they studied actually carried moderate to heavy fat deposits.
>>
>>  How did this myth get started? The fact is, a few snowies do starve when
>> they come south, usually young, inexperienced birds. These sick and dying
>> birds are the ones that people find, and the ones that get taken to rehab.
>> The healthy ones move one and migrate back. And that happens within any
>> cohort of migratory birds - yet few people express this kind of worry
>> about disturbing, say, rough-legged hawks.
>>
>>  What's more, it's not food shortages in the Arctic that spur these major
>> flights - that's another myth. It appears that, as with major saw-whet owl
>> flights, the cause is linked to *high* rodent populations during the
>> breeding season, as well as a number of other factors like snow cover in
>> the Arctic. Most of these flights are comprised of fat, healthy juveniles
>> born this summer. This is the reverse of true irruptive species like great
>> gray owls, where the major flights (like that into Minnesota a few years
>> ago) are comprised mostly of adults forced south by poor food supplies.
>> In those cases, starvation mortality is very high…but they're not snowy
>> owls.
>>
>>  I'm not arguing we all go out and relentlessly harass and chase snowy
>> owls all over the landscape; John's cautions are well-placed. But it's
>> important to be realistic about these birds, and recognize that they're
>> not all teetering on the edge of starvation.
>>
>>  Almost nothing is known about the winter ecology of snowy owls, which is
>> why I and several colleagues are going to be conducting a major,
>> multi-state study this winter employing next-generation GSM tags, which
>> provide an unprecedented level of detail on the movements and behavior of
>> these birds. More to come on that in the weeks ahead.
>>
>>  Scott Weidensaul
>>  Schuylkill Haven, PA
>
> 
> Steve Mattan
> emailing from Philadelphia, PA
> Visit my photoblog at http://recycledphotons.blogspot.com
>
>> On Dec 8, 2013, at 12:43 PM, Phil Jeffrey  wrote:
>>
>> Unless you've completely ignored the diurnal thread, the Owls are
>> expected
>> to be largely roosting during the day and hunting at night, so you're
>> pushing on a bird that basically wants to stay put.  It's also the case
>> that that Snowy and other owls, are particularly aware of raptor presence
>> as potential predators and attempt to remain unobtrusive as a means of
>> protection.  It doesn't want to fly around the salt marsh advertising
>> it's
>> presence to whatever Harrier/Eagle/Red-tailed Hawk or Peregrine happens
>> to
>> be around.
>>
>> It's also the case that a lot of these Snowy's are in bad shape, and
>> being
>> pushed around costs energy which has impact on mortality.  You should
>> take
>> a look at
>> http://bashakillbirder.wordpress.com/2013/12/04/snowy-owl-going-to-rehab/about
>> the Snowy that was basically picked up from the side of the road and
>> taken to rehab.  That behaved a LOT like the Snowy yesterday at Brig,
>> which
>> was abnormally tame.  I really doubt that you were in a position to judge

Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Re: [JERSEYBI] My Take on Snowy Owl

[steve rosenthal]

you beat me to it by a few minutes. The string is noteworthy for the
inclusion, yet again, of real studies with real data, viewed in the
context of evolution and natural selection,  rather than just
conjecture.

On 12/8/13, Ardith Bondi ard...@earthlink.net wrote:
 I think this discussion is worthy of posting for NYSBirders as well.

 Ardith Bondi


  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [JERSEYBI] My Take on Snowy Owl
 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 12:58:46 -0500
 From: Steve Mattan stevemat...@comcast.net
 Reply-To: Steve Mattan stevemat...@comcast.net
 To: jerse...@lists.princeton.edu

 With respect to this comment by Phil Jeffery (full email below):

 It's also the case that a lot of these Snowy's are in bad shape, and being
 pushed around costs energy which has impact on mortality.

 This may be of interest (from an email thread not unlike this one on
 PABIRDS):

 From: Scott Weidensaul scottweidens...@verizon.net
 Date: December 8, 2013 at 7:44:40 AM EST
 To: pabi...@list.audubon.org
 Subject: Re: [PABIRDS] Snowy Owls and caution
 Reply-To: Scott Weidensaul scottweidens...@verizon.net

  While John's comments come from the very best place - concern for the
 birds - I'm afraid he's repeating a very common and widespread myth about
 snowy owls, one that even many scientists and top birders believe: that
 they're struggling to survive down here.

  In fact, the research shows the opposite - that starvation is a fairly
 rare fate for most of the snowy owls that come south. Norman Smith in
 Massachusetts, for example, has satellite tagged 20 snowies for his
 30-year study. Fifteen returned to the Arctic, and of the four that died,
 three were shot and one was hit by a plane. None starved. In the 1980s,
 Paul Kerlinger and his colleagues published a series of papers on snowy
 owls in the Great Plains, including a review of mortality. Again, they
 found that trauma was the leading cause, few starved, and more than half
 they studied actually carried moderate to heavy fat deposits.

  How did this myth get started? The fact is, a few snowies do starve when
 they come south, usually young, inexperienced birds. These sick and dying
 birds are the ones that people find, and the ones that get taken to rehab.
 The healthy ones move one and migrate back. And that happens within any
 cohort of migratory birds - yet few people express this kind of worry
 about disturbing, say, rough-legged hawks.

  What's more, it's not food shortages in the Arctic that spur these major
 flights - that's another myth. It appears that, as with major saw-whet owl
 flights, the cause is linked to *high* rodent populations during the
 breeding season, as well as a number of other factors like snow cover in
 the Arctic. Most of these flights are comprised of fat, healthy juveniles
 born this summer. This is the reverse of true irruptive species like great
 gray owls, where the major flights (like that into Minnesota a few years
 ago) are comprised mostly of adults forced south by poor food supplies.
 In those cases, starvation mortality is very high…but they're not snowy
 owls.

  I'm not arguing we all go out and relentlessly harass and chase snowy
 owls all over the landscape; John's cautions are well-placed. But it's
 important to be realistic about these birds, and recognize that they're
 not all teetering on the edge of starvation.

  Almost nothing is known about the winter ecology of snowy owls, which is
 why I and several colleagues are going to be conducting a major,
 multi-state study this winter employing next-generation GSM tags, which
 provide an unprecedented level of detail on the movements and behavior of
 these birds. More to come on that in the weeks ahead.

  Scott Weidensaul
  Schuylkill Haven, PA

 
 Steve Mattan
 emailing from Philadelphia, PA
 Visit my photoblog at http://recycledphotons.blogspot.com

 On Dec 8, 2013, at 12:43 PM, Phil Jeffrey phil.jeff...@gmail.com wrote:

 Unless you've completely ignored the diurnal thread, the Owls are
 expected
 to be largely roosting during the day and hunting at night, so you're
 pushing on a bird that basically wants to stay put.  It's also the case
 that that Snowy and other owls, are particularly aware of raptor presence
 as potential predators and attempt to remain unobtrusive as a means of
 protection.  It doesn't want to fly around the salt marsh advertising
 it's
 presence to whatever Harrier/Eagle/Red-tailed Hawk or Peregrine happens
 to
 be around.

 It's also the case that a lot of these Snowy's are in bad shape, and
 being
 pushed around costs energy which has impact on mortality.  You should
 take
 a look at
 http://bashakillbirder.wordpress.com/2013/12/04/snowy-owl-going-to-rehab/about
 the Snowy that was basically picked up from the side of the road and
 taken to rehab.  That behaved a LOT like the Snowy yesterday at Brig,
 which
 was abnormally tame.  I really doubt that you were in a position to judge
 the condition of the roadside owl.

 

[nysbirds-l] lemmings, global warming, and arctic predators incl. snowy owls

[steve rosenthal]

here is a link to a recent article forwarded to me from an out of
state birder, from another birding list, that looks at the possible
impact of lemming numbers and global warming with possible effects on
snowy owls.. I dont think i saw it on our list server...

http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/lemmings.html

(see paper by Reid et al after pasting and searching).


On 12/6/13, Richard Crossley  wrote:
> I'm not sure where the thought that Snowy Owls are diurnal hunters comes
> from. This is also a thread on other listserves and I am not sure how it got
> started. In 'The Crossley ID Guide' it states they are nocturnal/crepuscular
> and I have not noticed any other books mentioning them to be diurnal
> hunters.
> I was fortunate enough to be on the North Slope this summer and it was quite
> interesting to see how birds seemed to have a 'night' and 'day' even though
> there are 24 hours of daylight. Most species were noticeably less active in
> the early morning hours ('night-time') and I never saw Snowy Owl hunting in
> the 'daytime'.
> Weather also has a big impact on behavior. When the weather impairs their
> ability to hunt, particularly when it is windy, they will typically extend
> their hunting hours, often in to the daytime. A calm day after several days
> of bad weather is usually the best time to go looking for hunting Owls.
> Recent work by Hawk Mountain Sanctuary using radio transmitters seems to
> show that most Snowy Owls winter to the north of their breeding grounds on
> the pack ice. Presumably they feed mostly on King Eider that are jammed in
> on open leads of water offshore, much like the now famous wintering habits
> of Spectacled Eider. This would explain why Snowy Owls have huge feet that
> seem way too big for killing Lemmings - much better suited for larger prey
> such as eider. I have heard this is a particularly severe winter in Arctic
> Europe and my guess is that it probably is here too. Interestingly, there
> are relatively large numbers of King Eider this winter - perhaps 'frozen
> out' of the arctic. Coincidence that there is an influx of both species - I
> bet not! We have a lot to learn, but doesn't that make it exciting?
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Monarchs

[steve rosenthal]

at jones beach and point lookout  here in NY my impression was that
there were still ample goldenrods back along the roadways and (at Pt
Lookout) along the shore of Jones Inlet All with nary a monarch on
them on my last few visits. I think 4 or 5 monarchs was the most I saw
on any single visit of an hour to two hours length. This has been
typical for observers posting  all summer long to the NABA (North
American Butterfly Assocaition) websites' "Postings"   from anywhere
in the eastern half of the US.

On 10/10/13, Peter Priolo  wrote:
> Excellent question I've noticed a decline as well. I am no expert but have
> tagged monarchs as a citizen scientist for the past 3 years on the south
> shore of Long Island as part of the U of Kansas monarch watch project. Two
> years ago there were enough monarchs flying east to west along the dunes
> that praying mantis would ambush them on the seaside goldenrod.
> This year I the amount and rate of monarchs flying east to west on the
> coastal dunes decreased dramatically.
> I think this is linked with the observation that there appears to be less
> goldenrod stands; and, I think there are less goldenrod because of physical
> change of the dunes from hurricane Sandy. Some great stands got buried along
> beachfront that I have found monarchs at in past years.
> I wonder if there are less goldenrod available along the entire coast in the
> plants range. I wonder if this will set them back as the yellow blooms are
> an energy source timed with their migration.
> That is my speculation. I don't know if the monarch population actually did
> decrease markedly this year, I just saw less where I used to see more.
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Monarchs

[steve rosenthal]

at jones beach and point lookout  here in NY my impression was that
there were still ample goldenrods back along the roadways and (at Pt
Lookout) along the shore of Jones Inlet All with nary a monarch on
them on my last few visits. I think 4 or 5 monarchs was the most I saw
on any single visit of an hour to two hours length. This has been
typical for observers posting  all summer long to the NABA (North
American Butterfly Assocaition) websites' Postings   from anywhere
in the eastern half of the US.

On 10/10/13, Peter Priolo peterpri...@gmail.com wrote:
 Excellent question I've noticed a decline as well. I am no expert but have
 tagged monarchs as a citizen scientist for the past 3 years on the south
 shore of Long Island as part of the U of Kansas monarch watch project. Two
 years ago there were enough monarchs flying east to west along the dunes
 that praying mantis would ambush them on the seaside goldenrod.
 This year I the amount and rate of monarchs flying east to west on the
 coastal dunes decreased dramatically.
 I think this is linked with the observation that there appears to be less
 goldenrod stands; and, I think there are less goldenrod because of physical
 change of the dunes from hurricane Sandy. Some great stands got buried along
 beachfront that I have found monarchs at in past years.
 I wonder if there are less goldenrod available along the entire coast in the
 plants range. I wonder if this will set them back as the yellow blooms are
 an energy source timed with their migration.
 That is my speculation. I don't know if the monarch population actually did
 decrease markedly this year, I just saw less where I used to see more.

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[nysbirds-l] Tiana Beach

[steve rosenthal]

for the less punctual or less frugal not blessed to be Town of
Southampton residents

i believe "special permit"= $20 nonresident one day admission.

(in case the bird is  still there).





On 7/5/13, Andrew Baksh  wrote:
> Shai Mitra and Patricia Lindsay called to report that the Elegant Tern was
> seen in the same area as reported late this afternoon by Jay McGowan.
>
> I would suggest that those of you trying for this bird tomorrow to get to
> Tiana Beach first thing in the morning as I believe there you need a
> special permit to get into the parking lot during peak beach hours.
>
> Good luck Y'all!
>
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!
>
> Andrew Baksh
> www.birdingdude.blogspot.com
>
> On Jul 5, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Jay McGowan  wrote:
>
> The apparent ELEGANT TERN is sitting with a mixed flock of terns and
> skimmers on the beach visible close to the east from the Tiana Recreation
> Area parking lot on the north side of Dune Road. Markedly smaller than
> nearby Royals.
>
> Jay
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[nysbirds-l] Tiana Beach

[steve rosenthal]

for the less punctual or less frugal not blessed to be Town of
Southampton residents

i believe special permit= $20 nonresident one day admission.

(in case the bird is  still there).





On 7/5/13, Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Shai Mitra and Patricia Lindsay called to report that the Elegant Tern was
 seen in the same area as reported late this afternoon by Jay McGowan.

 I would suggest that those of you trying for this bird tomorrow to get to
 Tiana Beach first thing in the morning as I believe there you need a
 special permit to get into the parking lot during peak beach hours.

 Good luck Y'all!

 Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

 Andrew Baksh
 www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

 On Jul 5, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Jay McGowan jw...@cornell.edu wrote:

 The apparent ELEGANT TERN is sitting with a mixed flock of terns and
 skimmers on the beach visible close to the east from the Tiana Recreation
 Area parking lot on the north side of Dune Road. Markedly smaller than
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Re: [nysbirds-l] osprey learning to swim? fly?

[steve rosenthal]

yes that certainly could be it. direct sun, no breeze,  about 90
degrees at 10am...

On 6/2/13, Richard Zaineldeen  wrote:
>
> It is possible it was cooling itself off?
>
> Richard ZainEldeen
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>
>
>
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> today while walking the shore of Florida Bay looking for
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> approached from the shore...it did not dive in while i was there...
> its head and neck were sticking out of the water, and its wings were
> held along the surface. first i thought maybe it was injured, and as i
> started to walk out towards where it was , it began to stir,
> eventually  started flapping, and after more or less clumsily
> skimming the surface and kicking the water, it eventually flew low
> over the water to a semi- nearby mangrove island and landed in a
> mangrove tree.  was this a bird that may still have been learning
> flight? is it unusual to see an osprey semi-submerged like that? seems
> like the bottom there was too shallow (and the water way too turbid)
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[nysbirds-l] osprey learning to swim? fly?

[steve rosenthal]

today while walking the shore of Florida Bay looking for
invertebrates, i suddenly noticed  an osprey  in the water as i
approached from the shore...it did not dive in while i was there...
its head and neck were sticking out of the water, and its wings were
held along the surface. first i thought maybe it was injured, and as i
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eventually  started flapping, and after more or less clumsily
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over the water to a semi- nearby mangrove island and landed in a
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today while walking the shore of Florida Bay looking for
invertebrates, i suddenly noticed  an osprey  in the water as i
approached from the shore...it did not dive in while i was there...
its head and neck were sticking out of the water, and its wings were
held along the surface. first i thought maybe it was injured, and as i
started to walk out towards where it was , it began to stir,
eventually  started flapping, and after more or less clumsily
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over the water to a semi- nearby mangrove island and landed in a
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Re: [nysbirds-l] osprey learning to swim? fly?

[steve rosenthal]

yes that certainly could be it. direct sun, no breeze,  about 90
degrees at 10am...

On 6/2/13, Richard Zaineldeen richjack...@aol.com wrote:

 It is possible it was cooling itself off?

 Richard ZainEldeen
 Brooklyn, New York




 today while walking the shore of Florida Bay looking for
 invertebrates, i suddenly noticed  an osprey  in the water as i
 approached from the shore...it did not dive in while i was there...
 its head and neck were sticking out of the water, and its wings were
 held along the surface. first i thought maybe it was injured, and as i
 started to walk out towards where it was , it began to stir,
 eventually  started flapping, and after more or less clumsily
 skimming the surface and kicking the water, it eventually flew low
 over the water to a semi- nearby mangrove island and landed in a
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[nysbirds-l] slightly off topic- article re purple gallinule fished out of atlantic ocean

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an article in yesterdays Newsday (Long Island Newspaper) on page A13
titled "Fisherman Makes Unusual Catch" reports a commercial fishing
boat captain based locally out of Shinnecock Inlet  NY  recently
fished a purple gallinule out of the ocean about 25 miles south of
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titled Fisherman Makes Unusual Catch reports a commercial fishing
boat captain based locally out of Shinnecock Inlet  NY  recently
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[nysbirds-l] jones beach closures/openings

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does anybody know if Field 10 (Fishing Piers) at jones beach is  still closed?
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Common Pochard in New York now - *plastic band*

[steve rosenthal]

ABORT STAMPEDE- REPEAT ABORT ABORT

On 1/6/13, Andy Guthrie  wrote:
> Tom Johnson just called to say that they have noticed a plastic band on the
> right leg of the Common Pochard being seen with Mallards on the NY side of
> Lake Champlain.  Unfortunately this is almost certainly an indication that
> the bird is from captive origins.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy Guthrie
> Hamlin, NY
>
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Tom Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Birders,
>> Devich Farbotnik just found the Common Pochard on the New York side of
>> Lake Champlain. It is near shore with Mallards in Port Henry near a pier.
>> Good luck,
>> Tom
>>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Common Pochard in New York now - *plastic band*

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ABORT STAMPEDE- REPEAT ABORT ABORT

On 1/6/13, Andy Guthrie guthr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Tom Johnson just called to say that they have noticed a plastic band on the
 right leg of the Common Pochard being seen with Mallards on the NY side of
 Lake Champlain.  Unfortunately this is almost certainly an indication that
 the bird is from captive origins.

 Cheers,
 Andy Guthrie
 Hamlin, NY

 On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Tom Johnson t...@cornell.edu wrote:

 Birders,
 Devich Farbotnik just found the Common Pochard on the New York side of
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Re: [nysbirds-l] 1st Annual Long Island Natural History Conference

[steve rosenthal]

registering on line was very quick and easy and you can use your
paypal account as well.

On 11/9/12, redk...@optonline.net  wrote:
> While a little bit off topic I wanted to let everyone know about the
> upcoming 1st Annual Long Island Natural History Conference that will take
> place at Brookhaven National Lab on Friday, November 16th with field trips
> on Saturday. It will be a very informative Conference, with a variety of
> interesting topics and dynamic speakers all focusing on our region. There
> will be a highly informative presentation on Long Island bird migration by
> Shai Mitra. The other conference topics are: 1) the Biodiversity of Plum
> Island by Matt Schlesinger, 2) an overview of seal populations on LI by Rob
> DiGiovanni, 3) a program on Long Island Butterflies by Rich Cech, 4) the
> natural history of alewives by Byron Young, 5) the story of Jeremy
> Feinberg's work to describe a new frog species right here in the NY
> metropolitan area, 6) the natural resources of Brookhaven National
> Laboratory by Tim Green, 7) an overview of efforts to monitor Horseshoe
> Crabs by Matt Sclafani, 8) the Diamondback Terrapins of Jamaica Bay by Dr.
> Russell Burke, 9) the natural history of Jamaica Bay by Don Riepe, 10) the
> return of the River Otter to LI by Mike Bottini, 11) and a lecture on the
> status of Atlantic White Cedars on Long Island by John Turner.
>
> Key Note speaker Peter Alden will be presenting on "Changes to our Flora and
> Fauna". Peter brings a wealth of experience in world wide birding and
> natural history tours as well as a deep knowledge of biodiversity issues
> in eastern North America.
>
> I encourage you to visit the below link and pre-register for the  $20.00
> fee. The walk in rate is $25.00- cash and check will be accepted, no credit
> cards
>
>  http://longislandnature.org/
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper at Cupsogue

[steve rosenthal]

the dangers of not being linked in to every alert network, list, and database

On 6/14/12, Anthony Collerton  wrote:
> I may have missed this but I don't think it hit this list.  Michael McBrien
> reported an adult Curlew Sandpiper on the NE side of the flats at 2:24pm on
> the LIRBA Text Alert system.  No other details but I'm sure Michael will
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> (assuming it doesn't stick at Cupsogue).
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Curlew Sandpiper at Cupsogue

[steve rosenthal]

the dangers of not being linked in to every alert network, list, and database

On 6/14/12, Anthony Collerton icoller...@gmail.com wrote:
 I may have missed this but I don't think it hit this list.  Michael McBrien
 reported an adult Curlew Sandpiper on the NE side of the flats at 2:24pm on
 the LIRBA Text Alert system.  No other details but I'm sure Michael will
 post more later.  Worth checking Mecox this evening or tomorrow morning
 (assuming it doesn't stick at Cupsogue).

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Nickerson Beach

[steve rosenthal]

can you please give a quick/rough estimate of the common  birds in the
nesting area?

i find that when its very birdy, its a great place to take nonbirders
and photographer types  to get their attention.

thanks

On 6/10/12, Peter Post  wrote:
> Dave:
>
> Off course, it should have been June 9th. It was a long tiring day.
> Thanks for picking this up. I should always save everything I write
> as a draft :-). But, I wanted to get it out there right away.
>
> Peter
>
> On Jun 9, 2012, at 11:18 PM, Peter Post wrote:
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>>
>> I spent 6 1/2 hours today, May 9th, at Nickerson Beach, Nassau Co.
>>
>> Highlights included:
>> Arctic Tern 1 (possibly 2)  first summer
>> Gull Billed Tern 1 adult
>> Roseate Tern 1 (possibly 2) adults
>> Surf Scoter 1 adult male
>>
>> I took photos of all the above mentioned species.
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>> Peter Post
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Nickerson Beach

[steve rosenthal]

can you please give a quick/rough estimate of the common  birds in the
nesting area?

i find that when its very birdy, its a great place to take nonbirders
and photographer types  to get their attention.

thanks

On 6/10/12, Peter Post pwp...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 Dave:

 Off course, it should have been June 9th. It was a long tiring day.
 Thanks for picking this up. I should always save everything I write
 as a draft :-). But, I wanted to get it out there right away.

 Peter

 On Jun 9, 2012, at 11:18 PM, Peter Post wrote:


 I spent 6 1/2 hours today, May 9th, at Nickerson Beach, Nassau Co.

 Highlights included:
 Arctic Tern 1 (possibly 2)  first summer
 Gull Billed Tern 1 adult
 Roseate Tern 1 (possibly 2) adults
 Surf Scoter 1 adult male

 I took photos of all the above mentioned species.

 Peter Post
 New York City
 pwp...@nyc.rr.com





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[nysbirds-l] more "fowl" play

[steve rosenthal]

speaking of guinea fowl, i saw two this morning  feeding  on the right
shoulder of the southbound wantagh parkway, just before the
tollbooths.

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[nysbirds-l] more fowl play

[steve rosenthal]

speaking of guinea fowl, i saw two this morning  feeding  on the right
shoulder of the southbound wantagh parkway, just before the
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