[nysbirds-l] Roseate Spoonbill Orange County, NY

[sophiesaid]

I viewed/photographed a Roseate Spoonbill (flyover only) at the Wallkill River 
NWR (NY)last night shortly after 8:00pm. The entire flight was over the New 
York portion of the refuge only.The Spoonbill flew west to northeast and over 
the treeline (Liberty Corners Road) and was not relocated.I (and others) spent 
many hours trying unsuccessfully to relocate the Roseate Spoonbill today.
I am curious if the other N.Y. Spoonbills were seen at their respective N.Y. 
spots last night.
Linda Scrima

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[nysbirds-l] Roseate Spoonbill Orange County, NY

[sophiesaid]

I viewed/photographed a Roseate Spoonbill (flyover only) at the Wallkill River 
NWR (NY)last night shortly after 8:00pm. The entire flight was over the New 
York portion of the refuge only.The Spoonbill flew west to northeast and over 
the treeline (Liberty Corners Road) and was not relocated.I (and others) spent 
many hours trying unsuccessfully to relocate the Roseate Spoonbill today.
I am curious if the other N.Y. Spoonbills were seen at their respective N.Y. 
spots last night.
Linda Scrima

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Ferruginous Hawk and another state first

[sophiesaid]

This owl has been around for over a year.I have mating GHOW nest in nearby BBA 
(was told by resident) after mating season.I have not seen this owl with 
mate.Unfortunately, haven’t posting site or photos of this owl because of 
problems with photographers.I was just harassed by trespassing photographer 
this past week- less than a half mile from this site.Linda Scrima






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On Monday, January 25, 2021, 11:02 AM, Larry Scacchetti 
 wrote:

Damn, unfortunately there are no ebird choices for ssp of GHOW other than 
magellanic, so my info was solely of hawk watchers and owl banders.  I also 
don’t know the sites to look up records from the early 1900’s.  Thanks for all 
the info everyone!
Larry Scacchetti 
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 10:46 AM Richard Veit  wrote:

there are at least two extant specimens of B.v. wapacuthu from massachusetts, 
and apparently there was quite a "flight" of these in 1917-19 (Bull 1964; Veit 
and Petersen 1993))
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 10:23 AM Shaibal Mitra  
wrote:

Hi Larry and all,

That is certainly a striking looking owl and a candidate for B. v. subarcticus 
(=wapacuthu in much 20th Century literature).

Salzman (1998, in "Bull's Birds of New York State") cites three specimens of 
Subarctic Great Horned Owl in NYS, from Erie, Bronx, and Suffolk Counties, and 
mentions specimens from NJ and CT as well.

In case you are considering writing this up for NYSARC and/or The Kingbird, 
note that the date of the old Bronx specimen (AMNH 144845) is given as 15 Feb 
1910 by Salzman, but as 15 Feb 1919 by Parkes (who directly examined the 
specimen, in his 1952 Cornell PhD dissertation).

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: bounce-125331055-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-125331055-3714...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Larry Scacchetti 
[larrybird4...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 9:52 AM
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Ferruginous Hawk and another state first

Saturday, Justin Muratore and I located the FEHA on Onion Ave at 8:30 am.  The 
bird circle the field and perched in a tree very close to the road.  It offered 
amazing looks before heading East over the tree line towards Celery Ave.

The more amazing bits of the day, for me at least, was the adult subarcticus 
Great Horned Owl.  This subspecies as far as I can tell hasn’t been in the 
lower 48 outside of MN.  The bright with GHOW stood out like a sore thumb.  We 
sat there on the side of the road waiting for the line of speeding cars, 
heading off the the next FEHA sighting, to pass and then we just had this quiet 
moment watching this unreal visitor from the north.

Photos of the owl, and hawk, can be seen here :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/larrybird13/

Good birding,

Larry Scacchetti
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Ferruginous Hawk and another state first

[sophiesaid]

This owl has been around for over a year.I have mating GHOW nest in nearby BBA 
(was told by resident) after mating season.I have not seen this owl with 
mate.Unfortunately, haven’t posting site or photos of this owl because of 
problems with photographers.I was just harassed by trespassing photographer 
this past week- less than a half mile from this site.Linda Scrima






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On Monday, January 25, 2021, 11:02 AM, Larry Scacchetti 
 wrote:

Damn, unfortunately there are no ebird choices for ssp of GHOW other than 
magellanic, so my info was solely of hawk watchers and owl banders.  I also 
don’t know the sites to look up records from the early 1900’s.  Thanks for all 
the info everyone!
Larry Scacchetti 
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 10:46 AM Richard Veit  wrote:

there are at least two extant specimens of B.v. wapacuthu from massachusetts, 
and apparently there was quite a "flight" of these in 1917-19 (Bull 1964; Veit 
and Petersen 1993))
On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 10:23 AM Shaibal Mitra  
wrote:

Hi Larry and all,

That is certainly a striking looking owl and a candidate for B. v. subarcticus 
(=wapacuthu in much 20th Century literature).

Salzman (1998, in "Bull's Birds of New York State") cites three specimens of 
Subarctic Great Horned Owl in NYS, from Erie, Bronx, and Suffolk Counties, and 
mentions specimens from NJ and CT as well.

In case you are considering writing this up for NYSARC and/or The Kingbird, 
note that the date of the old Bronx specimen (AMNH 144845) is given as 15 Feb 
1910 by Salzman, but as 15 Feb 1919 by Parkes (who directly examined the 
specimen, in his 1952 Cornell PhD dissertation).

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: bounce-125331055-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-125331055-3714...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Larry Scacchetti 
[larrybird4...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 9:52 AM
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Ferruginous Hawk and another state first

Saturday, Justin Muratore and I located the FEHA on Onion Ave at 8:30 am.  The 
bird circle the field and perched in a tree very close to the road.  It offered 
amazing looks before heading East over the tree line towards Celery Ave.

The more amazing bits of the day, for me at least, was the adult subarcticus 
Great Horned Owl.  This subspecies as far as I can tell hasn’t been in the 
lower 48 outside of MN.  The bright with GHOW stood out like a sore thumb.  We 
sat there on the side of the road waiting for the line of speeding cars, 
heading off the the next FEHA sighting, to pass and then we just had this quiet 
moment watching this unreal visitor from the north.

Photos of the owl, and hawk, can be seen here :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/larrybird13/

Good birding,

Larry Scacchetti
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Ferruginous Hawk Jan 23rd?

[sophiesaid]

No.
Linda Scrima


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On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 7:41 AM, Jarvis Shirky 
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Good Morning,
 
Any sightings of the Ferruginous Hawk near Celery Ave/Cedar Swamp Road/Onion 
Ave so far today?
 
  
 
Any leads MUCH appreciated
 
Thank you!
 
  
 
Jarvis Shirky
 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Ferruginous Hawk Jan 23rd?

[sophiesaid]

No.
Linda Scrima


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On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 7:41 AM, Jarvis Shirky 
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Good Morning,
 
Any sightings of the Ferruginous Hawk near Celery Ave/Cedar Swamp Road/Onion 
Ave so far today?
 
  
 
Any leads MUCH appreciated
 
Thank you!
 
  
 
Jarvis Shirky
 
Chester
 
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[nysbirds-l] Private/Public Roads re: Ferruginous Hawk

[sophiesaid]

Please excuse this if it  is a dupilcate message, as I do not think the 
original message sent.
I just spoke to the Orange County Highway Dept.I asked how would “sightseers” 
know what roads are public and what roads are private.He said: blue street 
signs are private, green street signs are public. i then asked him if 
“sightseers” could drive on private roads to see the scenery. His answer was 
“no”.So, if you see a blue street sign it is private. If you see a dirt road, 
it is private. The next question is: how do we know which private streets are 
accessible? If it is on ebird (as a hotspot) and doesn’t say “private” then it 
is probably ok. Keep in mind: even though local birders were given permission 
for some spots- that may not be a “blanket” permission for “the masses”. Do not 
be discouraged- it seems that this hawk is still being seen on accessible 
roads.Linda

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[nysbirds-l] Private/Public Roads re: Ferruginous Hawk

[sophiesaid]

Please excuse this if it  is a dupilcate message, as I do not think the 
original message sent.
I just spoke to the Orange County Highway Dept.I asked how would “sightseers” 
know what roads are public and what roads are private.He said: blue street 
signs are private, green street signs are public. i then asked him if 
“sightseers” could drive on private roads to see the scenery. His answer was 
“no”.So, if you see a blue street sign it is private. If you see a dirt road, 
it is private. The next question is: how do we know which private streets are 
accessible? If it is on ebird (as a hotspot) and doesn’t say “private” then it 
is probably ok. Keep in mind: even though local birders were given permission 
for some spots- that may not be a “blanket” permission for “the masses”. Do not 
be discouraged- it seems that this hawk is still being seen on accessible 
roads.Linda

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[sophiesaid]

I just spoke to the Orange County Highway Dept.I asked how would “sightseers” 
know what roads are public and what roads are private.He said: blue street 
signs are private, green street signs are public. i then asked him if 
“sightseers” could drive on private roads to see the scenery. His answer was 
“no”.So, if you see a blue street sign it is private. If you see a dirt road, 
it is private. The next question is: how do we know which private streets are 
accessible? If it is on ebird (as a hotspot) and doesn’t say “private” then it 
is probably ok. Keep in mind: even though local birders were given permission 
for some spots- that may not be a “blanket” permission for “the masses”. Do not 
be discouraged- it seems that this hawk is still being seen on accessible 
roads.Linda
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On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 1:59 PM, lindsey duval  
wrote:

A similar thing occurred yesterday with Celery, which I am pretty sure that 
long, birdy road is public. While I was on it I saw nobody behind disrespectful 
such as blocking the road or stopping in front of the few houses, yet I drove 
by a homeowner down the road away from his property screaming at a woman birder 
to keep moving. She was way down the road in front of a field. He ended up 
calling the cops, who I came across and were understandable that we were just 
trying to enjoy the birds and seemed annoyed at the homeowner, who apparently 
had told him that "everybody" was stopping right in front of his house, which 
wasn't even interesting bird-wise. 
There needs to be a medium or you'll find yourselves with nowhere to bird in 
that region if so many homeowners are trying to get multiple roads closed to 
birders in just a few days by claiming they are private or bothered, simply 
because they never want to see a vehicle anywhere, and birders are supposed to 
just accept homeowners not understanding how public/private property laws work. 
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 1:47 PM Dawn Hannay  wrote:

According to GPS maps, the road everyone was on is Cedar Swamp Road. Nobody was 
running into farm fields, blocking farm vehicles or the like. Everyone was 
respectful and polite. The landowner in question indicated that the entire road 
is private and asked everyone to leave, which we did.  I think the question is 
whether Cedar Swamp Road itself is a public or private road. There is no 
signage indicating it is private, so if it is, birders need to know. Dawn Hannay

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On Jan 19, 2021, at 1:36 PM, ArieGilbert  wrote:



A problem not unique to this area is birders blocking or impeding traffic, 
trespassing onto property like a farm field, irrespective of signage ( if in 
doubt, *don't* ) blocking driveways,  and being less than nice to the residents 
when they inquire about your presence or intentions. If you interact with 
locals be polite and share your excitement.
There are farmers who are working and blocking their way is understandably 
irritating to them.  If you see vehicles coming your way,  move *before* they 
have to slow down or wait. 
If a problem is avoided, future visitors will be welcome.
OTOH, a jerk will ruin it for all who arrive later.  And you will be told the 
roads are private or closed off. In the recent past people were running across 
farm fields to get photos.  If only telephoto lenses existed...
In western states, trespassing would get you shot first.  An effective 
deterrent. 
So let's all enjoy the birds AND behave like civilized adults. 
Arie Gilbert. 





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 Original message From: Trachlar  Date: 
1/19/21 12:53 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Isaac Weiss  Cc: Adrian 
Burke , "Groups.io" 
, NYSBIRDS-L 
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk 
Orange co. 
I realize at least from what I have read (e.g. with a homeowner on the road w 
the “Camel Farm” (Rte 62) and Mission Land Road) that there have been issues 
between property owners in the black dirt region and birders. Obviously owners 
have a right in this Country to keep folks off their property (the means used 
is another issue). Cedar Swamp Road seems to run about 2.7 miles, may I ask 
what makes the road itself a “private” road?  
L. Trachtenberg Ossining
“The white man made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they only 
kept but one, they promised to take our land, and they took it.”
Red CloudOglala Lakota

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On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Isaac Weiss  wrote:



Thank Adrian for the constant updates.I just met one of the owners of the 
properties around here and he asked not to drive on cedar swamp Rd. He said it 
is a private road.Celery is a public Rd.
Thank you allAri 
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 11:49 AM Adrian Burke  wrote:

FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and Maloney Ln
El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke  
escribió:

Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed) but I 
have 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[sophiesaid]

I just spoke to the Orange County Highway Dept.I asked how would “sightseers” 
know what roads are public and what roads are private.He said: blue street 
signs are private, green street signs are public. i then asked him if 
“sightseers” could drive on private roads to see the scenery. His answer was 
“no”.So, if you see a blue street sign it is private. If you see a dirt road, 
it is private. The next question is: how do we know which private streets are 
accessible? If it is on ebird (as a hotspot) and doesn’t say “private” then it 
is probably ok. Keep in mind: even though local birders were given permission 
for some spots- that may not be a “blanket” permission for “the masses”. Do not 
be discouraged- it seems that this hawk is still being seen on accessible 
roads.Linda
Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS


On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 1:59 PM, lindsey duval  
wrote:

A similar thing occurred yesterday with Celery, which I am pretty sure that 
long, birdy road is public. While I was on it I saw nobody behind disrespectful 
such as blocking the road or stopping in front of the few houses, yet I drove 
by a homeowner down the road away from his property screaming at a woman birder 
to keep moving. She was way down the road in front of a field. He ended up 
calling the cops, who I came across and were understandable that we were just 
trying to enjoy the birds and seemed annoyed at the homeowner, who apparently 
had told him that "everybody" was stopping right in front of his house, which 
wasn't even interesting bird-wise. 
There needs to be a medium or you'll find yourselves with nowhere to bird in 
that region if so many homeowners are trying to get multiple roads closed to 
birders in just a few days by claiming they are private or bothered, simply 
because they never want to see a vehicle anywhere, and birders are supposed to 
just accept homeowners not understanding how public/private property laws work. 
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 1:47 PM Dawn Hannay  wrote:

According to GPS maps, the road everyone was on is Cedar Swamp Road. Nobody was 
running into farm fields, blocking farm vehicles or the like. Everyone was 
respectful and polite. The landowner in question indicated that the entire road 
is private and asked everyone to leave, which we did.  I think the question is 
whether Cedar Swamp Road itself is a public or private road. There is no 
signage indicating it is private, so if it is, birders need to know. Dawn Hannay

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2021, at 1:36 PM, ArieGilbert  wrote:



A problem not unique to this area is birders blocking or impeding traffic, 
trespassing onto property like a farm field, irrespective of signage ( if in 
doubt, *don't* ) blocking driveways,  and being less than nice to the residents 
when they inquire about your presence or intentions. If you interact with 
locals be polite and share your excitement.
There are farmers who are working and blocking their way is understandably 
irritating to them.  If you see vehicles coming your way,  move *before* they 
have to slow down or wait. 
If a problem is avoided, future visitors will be welcome.
OTOH, a jerk will ruin it for all who arrive later.  And you will be told the 
roads are private or closed off. In the recent past people were running across 
farm fields to get photos.  If only telephoto lenses existed...
In western states, trespassing would get you shot first.  An effective 
deterrent. 
So let's all enjoy the birds AND behave like civilized adults. 
Arie Gilbert. 





Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message From: Trachlar  Date: 
1/19/21 12:53 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Isaac Weiss  Cc: Adrian 
Burke , "Groups.io" 
, NYSBIRDS-L 
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk 
Orange co. 
I realize at least from what I have read (e.g. with a homeowner on the road w 
the “Camel Farm” (Rte 62) and Mission Land Road) that there have been issues 
between property owners in the black dirt region and birders. Obviously owners 
have a right in this Country to keep folks off their property (the means used 
is another issue). Cedar Swamp Road seems to run about 2.7 miles, may I ask 
what makes the road itself a “private” road?  
L. Trachtenberg Ossining
“The white man made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they only 
kept but one, they promised to take our land, and they took it.”
Red CloudOglala Lakota

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Isaac Weiss  wrote:



Thank Adrian for the constant updates.I just met one of the owners of the 
properties around here and he asked not to drive on cedar swamp Rd. He said it 
is a private road.Celery is a public Rd.
Thank you allAri 
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 11:49 AM Adrian Burke  wrote:

FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and Maloney Ln
El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke  
escribió:

Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed) but I 
have 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Wallkill/liberty loop trail issues currently

[sophiesaid]

While I am unsure why Patrick posted this to the entire group, I thought that I 
would quickly address a few things he brought up:
The refuge workers are working from home, short staffed, and limited budget, so 
signage probably will not be going up any time soon.
Has any one been to a Federal Refuge where there was signage delineating 
county/state borders? 

Patrick, I spoke to you once, in the rain, at the platform, and responded to 
your crane questions. I told you that I was in a rush to leave to get my 
birding equipment into my car.I was doing a breeding bird survey this past 
weekend, so was not able to talk. 
 The consensus is that the cranes probably had two failed nesting/raising young 
attempts.  Not to beat a dead horse, but it has been explained that many local 
birders were 
hopeful that the crane pair would be successful,and did not want to broadcast 
it to the public- last year's fiasco has also been explained 
(Birder/photographers traipsing through farmer's private property on the 
refuge's access lane, causing farmers to complain and ask to refuge to shut 
down the Liberty Lane access Rd north of Oil City Rd.Birder photographers were 
also traipsing through marsh/ closed trails to get closer photos *on a daily 
basis*.  MANY volunteers had to monitor the nest.
The cranes were still reported and information was accessible on ebird.  

The Wallkill River NWR is a wonderful place to bird!
Linda



 
-Original Message-
From: patrickhoran 
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu
Sent: Mon, Jun 1, 2020 1:28 pm
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Wallkill/liberty loop trail issues currently

Greetings to all concerned about being accurate.i am one of the naive ebird 
posters who added both state's birds to my atlas report.that has since been 
corrected and is accurate to the best of my ability.regarding the volunteer I 
had spoken with not once but twice,it should be pointed out to her and maybe 
others as well that if you see a person in the loop with birding gear and 
strike up a conversation on let's say...the sandhill cranes,which was the 
case,and the unfamiliar individual let's you know he or she is an active ebird 
contributor maybe you should make it a point of telling them (as was the case 
in your telling me all the good things you do for the cote/crane security work) 
that there is another state that takes up the majority of the actual loop 
side.you cant say your a big bird atlas contributor who strives for accuracy's 
and miss not one but 2 opportunitys to point this out about a stateline,then 
complain about there listings later to someone else or others.and why all the 
secrecy about the cranes.you took the time to ask not to post any sightings on 
them a pair that's been there at least 2 years during breeding season? and 
thats why I added the cranes to my n.j. list so maybe others may come to see 
them(I was going to omit them but for the sake of accuracy I didn't),and maybe 
a least bittern.also on new jerseys side btw.i hope the signs I suggested to 
Linda on her facebook New York birder post will be going up asap.i know I can 
get animated when talking to people birding in my backyard if they have the 
misfortune of stopping me(borderline overbearing) but I do try to give as much 
information as possible,for the sake of those who are and were in the past 
helpful to me.so thank you linda and bruce two nice people I was fortunate to 
meet up in the loop.it was a great place to bird,and why I returned saturday 
morning for more great birding.

                                     Regard's,patrick h                         
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Wallkill/liberty loop trail issues currently

[sophiesaid]

While I am unsure why Patrick posted this to the entire group, I thought that I 
would quickly address a few things he brought up:
The refuge workers are working from home, short staffed, and limited budget, so 
signage probably will not be going up any time soon.
Has any one been to a Federal Refuge where there was signage delineating 
county/state borders? 

Patrick, I spoke to you once, in the rain, at the platform, and responded to 
your crane questions. I told you that I was in a rush to leave to get my 
birding equipment into my car.I was doing a breeding bird survey this past 
weekend, so was not able to talk. 
 The consensus is that the cranes probably had two failed nesting/raising young 
attempts.  Not to beat a dead horse, but it has been explained that many local 
birders were 
hopeful that the crane pair would be successful,and did not want to broadcast 
it to the public- last year's fiasco has also been explained 
(Birder/photographers traipsing through farmer's private property on the 
refuge's access lane, causing farmers to complain and ask to refuge to shut 
down the Liberty Lane access Rd north of Oil City Rd.Birder photographers were 
also traipsing through marsh/ closed trails to get closer photos *on a daily 
basis*.  MANY volunteers had to monitor the nest.
The cranes were still reported and information was accessible on ebird.  

The Wallkill River NWR is a wonderful place to bird!
Linda



 
-Original Message-
From: patrickhoran 
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu
Sent: Mon, Jun 1, 2020 1:28 pm
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Wallkill/liberty loop trail issues currently

Greetings to all concerned about being accurate.i am one of the naive ebird 
posters who added both state's birds to my atlas report.that has since been 
corrected and is accurate to the best of my ability.regarding the volunteer I 
had spoken with not once but twice,it should be pointed out to her and maybe 
others as well that if you see a person in the loop with birding gear and 
strike up a conversation on let's say...the sandhill cranes,which was the 
case,and the unfamiliar individual let's you know he or she is an active ebird 
contributor maybe you should make it a point of telling them (as was the case 
in your telling me all the good things you do for the cote/crane security work) 
that there is another state that takes up the majority of the actual loop 
side.you cant say your a big bird atlas contributor who strives for accuracy's 
and miss not one but 2 opportunitys to point this out about a stateline,then 
complain about there listings later to someone else or others.and why all the 
secrecy about the cranes.you took the time to ask not to post any sightings on 
them a pair that's been there at least 2 years during breeding season? and 
thats why I added the cranes to my n.j. list so maybe others may come to see 
them(I was going to omit them but for the sake of accuracy I didn't),and maybe 
a least bittern.also on new jerseys side btw.i hope the signs I suggested to 
Linda on her facebook New York birder post will be going up asap.i know I can 
get animated when talking to people birding in my backyard if they have the 
misfortune of stopping me(borderline overbearing) but I do try to give as much 
information as possible,for the sake of those who are and were in the past 
helpful to me.so thank you linda and bruce two nice people I was fortunate to 
meet up in the loop.it was a great place to bird,and why I returned saturday 
morning for more great birding.

                                     Regard's,patrick h                         
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[nysbirds-l] Birding Access Black dirt

[sophiesaid]

Please note: that birding the farm formally known as the Warren Sod Farm (now 
known as the Sunflower Valley Farm) hasbeen *RESTRICTED* since last year and is 
not accessible to birders.  I have had conversations with the owner and he 
wanted me to pass along this information.To my knowledge there hasn't been any 
updates since then. 

Felipe and Bob: Warren Sod Farm/Sunflower Valley Farm  is the farm that the 
entrance is on Rt 12 between the silos.  This road leads to the "bridge: that 
Bob mentioned. The other side of the bridge is Skinner's Lane. This is private 
property and the farmer has stated that it is off-limits to birders.  They 
allow access by invitation only.
Pine Turf Nursery:  Please stop and ask for permission at the office first.  
The farmer have stated that they do not want cars on their road after a heavy 
rain.Please keep this in mind.
Skinner's Lane: Still open, but occasionally a worker will harass birders.  
THIS IS NOT A THROUGH ROAD. Please trun around before the bridge,as the farm 
across from the Skinner's Lane farm is the farm that is restricted to birders. 
Please exit through the same entrance you entered off Pulasky Highway.
Please be birding ambassadors in the Black Dirt.  Many Black Dirt farmers are 
seeing their requests disregarded.
Linda


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[nysbirds-l] Birding Access Black dirt

[sophiesaid]

Please note: that birding the farm formally known as the Warren Sod Farm (now 
known as the Sunflower Valley Farm) hasbeen *RESTRICTED* since last year and is 
not accessible to birders.  I have had conversations with the owner and he 
wanted me to pass along this information.To my knowledge there hasn't been any 
updates since then. 

Felipe and Bob: Warren Sod Farm/Sunflower Valley Farm  is the farm that the 
entrance is on Rt 12 between the silos.  This road leads to the "bridge: that 
Bob mentioned. The other side of the bridge is Skinner's Lane. This is private 
property and the farmer has stated that it is off-limits to birders.  They 
allow access by invitation only.
Pine Turf Nursery:  Please stop and ask for permission at the office first.  
The farmer have stated that they do not want cars on their road after a heavy 
rain.Please keep this in mind.
Skinner's Lane: Still open, but occasionally a worker will harass birders.  
THIS IS NOT A THROUGH ROAD. Please trun around before the bridge,as the farm 
across from the Skinner's Lane farm is the farm that is restricted to birders. 
Please exit through the same entrance you entered off Pulasky Highway.
Please be birding ambassadors in the Black Dirt.  Many Black Dirt farmers are 
seeing their requests disregarded.
Linda


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[nysbirds-l] Birding the Black Dirt Region, Orange County

[sophiesaid]

Please note: that birding the farm formally known as the Warren Sod Farm (now 
known as the Sunflower Valley Farm) hasbeen *RESTRICTED* since last year and is 
not accessible to birders.  I have had conversations with the owner and he 
wanted me to pass along this information.To my knowledge there hasn't been any 
updates since then. 

Felipe and Bob: Warren Sod Farm/Sunflower Valley Farm  is the farm that the 
entrance is on Rt 12 between the silos.  This road leads to the "bridge: that 
Bob mentioned. The other side of the bridge is Skinner's Lane. This is private 
property and the farmer has stated that it is off-limits to birders.  They 
allow access by invitation only.
Pine Turf Nursery:  Please stop and ask for permission at the office first.  
The farmer have stated that they do not want cars on their road after a heavy 
rain.Please keep this in mind.
Skinner's Lane: Still open, but occasionally a worker will harass birders.  
THIS IS NOT A THROUGH ROAD. Please trun around before the bridge,as the farm 
across from the Skinner's Lane farm is the farm that is restricted to birders. 
Please exit through the same entrance you entered off Pulasky Highway.
Please be birding ambassadors in the Black Dirt.  Many Black Dirt farmers are 
seeing their requests disregarded.
Linda














 
 
-Original Message-
From: Peter 
To: Felipe Pimentel 
Cc: Robert Lewis ; nys birds 
Sent: Mon, Sep 23, 2019 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Birding the Black Dirt Region, Orange County

One should never enter the fields on Indiana Road. The last time I was there 
there were birders from a number of states trampling all of the fields, much to 
the dismay (right fully so) of the local farmers. So much so that there was 
talk of putting up a locked entrance gate. 
Peter Post

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On Sep 23, 2019, at 2:18 PM, Felipe Pimentel  wrote:



There a several private roads but you can enter through Skinner’s lane and 
drive in the direction of Route 12 and look around for migrating shorebirds 
(now in early fall). You will pass several sad farms and now there a few 
“protected” medical cannabis farms too, and  the area is under surveillance. 
https://ebird.org/hotspots?hs=L1276465=all=
The other road that is private but birders use is Indiana rd that is good for 
migrating hawks in Fall.
https://ebird.org/hotspot/L1041928
Avoid to enter the crop fields when you see workers and stay on the main dirt 
roads.
The other place to go is Pine Island Turf Nursery. I suggest NOT to visit that 
farm during the week since they are working and preparing the fields for 
winter. I generally go there ONLY during the weekends, when the place is more 
quiet.
https://ebird.org/hotspot/L1041928
Good luck!
Felipe


On Sep 23, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Robert Lewis  wrote:
A few weeks ago I asked here for directions about where to actually go in the 
Black Dirt region.  One can find many references to birding there online, and 
there are some ebird spots, but there are many dirt or gravel roads and many 
seem to be on private property, and many are obviously not driveable once you 
see them.  So what is an out-of-the-area birder supposed to do? 

I thank Felipe Pimentel who provided directions to the Pine Island Turf farm.
Yesterday I went exploring.  The attached map is the result.  Enter the area at 
Skinner Lane,41.320541, -74.435339.  My route is the narrow black line.  I went 
up Skinner Lane to the northwest until it meets Iris Road, which is called 
Celery Avenue on my Iphone map app.  Then I turned left and follow Iris a long 
time.  It is all an excellent gravel road.  I was surprised to see a bridge 
over the Wallkill River at 41.325083, -74.466914.  It is certainly driveable.  
The maps are wrong in that there is no connection between Iris andTransport at 
41.300798, -74.472080.
As for birds, there were very few.  But in a few months -- let's hope.


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[nysbirds-l] Birding the Black Dirt Region, Orange County

[sophiesaid]

Please note: that birding the farm formally known as the Warren Sod Farm (now 
known as the Sunflower Valley Farm) hasbeen *RESTRICTED* since last year and is 
not accessible to birders.  I have had conversations with the owner and he 
wanted me to pass along this information.To my knowledge there hasn't been any 
updates since then. 

Felipe and Bob: Warren Sod Farm/Sunflower Valley Farm  is the farm that the 
entrance is on Rt 12 between the silos.  This road leads to the "bridge: that 
Bob mentioned. The other side of the bridge is Skinner's Lane. This is private 
property and the farmer has stated that it is off-limits to birders.  They 
allow access by invitation only.
Pine Turf Nursery:  Please stop and ask for permission at the office first.  
The farmer have stated that they do not want cars on their road after a heavy 
rain.Please keep this in mind.
Skinner's Lane: Still open, but occasionally a worker will harass birders.  
THIS IS NOT A THROUGH ROAD. Please trun around before the bridge,as the farm 
across from the Skinner's Lane farm is the farm that is restricted to birders. 
Please exit through the same entrance you entered off Pulasky Highway.
Please be birding ambassadors in the Black Dirt.  Many Black Dirt farmers are 
seeing their requests disregarded.
Linda














 
 
-Original Message-
From: Peter 
To: Felipe Pimentel 
Cc: Robert Lewis ; nys birds 
Sent: Mon, Sep 23, 2019 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Birding the Black Dirt Region, Orange County

One should never enter the fields on Indiana Road. The last time I was there 
there were birders from a number of states trampling all of the fields, much to 
the dismay (right fully so) of the local farmers. So much so that there was 
talk of putting up a locked entrance gate. 
Peter Post

Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 23, 2019, at 2:18 PM, Felipe Pimentel  wrote:



There a several private roads but you can enter through Skinner’s lane and 
drive in the direction of Route 12 and look around for migrating shorebirds 
(now in early fall). You will pass several sad farms and now there a few 
“protected” medical cannabis farms too, and  the area is under surveillance. 
https://ebird.org/hotspots?hs=L1276465=all=
The other road that is private but birders use is Indiana rd that is good for 
migrating hawks in Fall.
https://ebird.org/hotspot/L1041928
Avoid to enter the crop fields when you see workers and stay on the main dirt 
roads.
The other place to go is Pine Island Turf Nursery. I suggest NOT to visit that 
farm during the week since they are working and preparing the fields for 
winter. I generally go there ONLY during the weekends, when the place is more 
quiet.
https://ebird.org/hotspot/L1041928
Good luck!
Felipe


On Sep 23, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Robert Lewis  wrote:
A few weeks ago I asked here for directions about where to actually go in the 
Black Dirt region.  One can find many references to birding there online, and 
there are some ebird spots, but there are many dirt or gravel roads and many 
seem to be on private property, and many are obviously not driveable once you 
see them.  So what is an out-of-the-area birder supposed to do? 

I thank Felipe Pimentel who provided directions to the Pine Island Turf farm.
Yesterday I went exploring.  The attached map is the result.  Enter the area at 
Skinner Lane,41.320541, -74.435339.  My route is the narrow black line.  I went 
up Skinner Lane to the northwest until it meets Iris Road, which is called 
Celery Avenue on my Iphone map app.  Then I turned left and follow Iris a long 
time.  It is all an excellent gravel road.  I was surprised to see a bridge 
over the Wallkill River at 41.325083, -74.466914.  It is certainly driveable.  
The maps are wrong in that there is no connection between Iris andTransport at 
41.300798, -74.472080.
As for birds, there were very few.  But in a few months -- let's hope.


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[nysbirds-l] Western Kingbird Croton: YES 8/24

[sophiesaid]

Just as we entered landfill from ball field, we saw Western Kingbird in tree 
line. It did fly down and perch  in landfill 9:15.

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Western Kingbird was present (may very well still be) when I and others were 
last looking (maybe 2:45?) at northwest end of landfill west of ballfields. It 
repeatedly returned to bare snags on north side of the road there. 
At the landfill, a skittish Upland Sandpiper continues, occasionally flying 
around giving good looks and listens to flight calls, but hard to see on the 
ground. It's been ranging over most of the area of the landfill, seemingly not 
faithful to any particular spot. Generally the western/southern part of the 
landfill.
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[nysbirds-l] Western Kingbird Croton: YES 8/24

[sophiesaid]

Just as we entered landfill from ball field, we saw Western Kingbird in tree 
line. It did fly down and perch  in landfill 9:15.

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Western Kingbird was present (may very well still be) when I and others were 
last looking (maybe 2:45?) at northwest end of landfill west of ballfields. It 
repeatedly returned to bare snags on north side of the road there. 
At the landfill, a skittish Upland Sandpiper continues, occasionally flying 
around giving good looks and listens to flight calls, but hard to see on the 
ground. It's been ranging over most of the area of the landfill, seemingly not 
faithful to any particular spot. Generally the western/southern part of the 
landfill.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: [JERSEYBI] Say's Phoebe reported from Wallkill (but on NY side)

[sophiesaid]

The Say’s Phoebe is being seen at the Winding Waters trail off off OIl City Rd. 
This part of the Wallkill Refuge is down the road from the LIberty Loop. It has 
its own parking lot, and the entire trail is in NY. Scope views from a short 
walk from the parking lot. 
Linda Scrima

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On Thursday, January 3, 2019, Andrew Baksh  wrote:

If anyone has any intel. See report on the Jersey list serve.

Many thanks to all who continue to report to the list serves.


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others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

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Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

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From: Susan Treesh 
Date: January 3, 2019 at 12:40:35 PM EST
To: jerse...@lists.princeton.edu
Subject: [JERSEYBI] Say's Phoebe reported from Wallkill (but on NY side)
Reply-To: Susan Treesh 

Passing this report on from the Sussex County email (not text) alert - a Say's 
Phoebe was reported from Wallkill National Wildlife refuge this morning, BUT 
from the NY state Winding Waters Trail boat parking area, which is further 
northwest along Oil City Road from the NJ state Liberty Loop.  The bird was 
reported east of the trail, out in the marsh, seen from near a "flood control" 
sign.

But worth checking on the NJ side too!  I take it that the Wallkill marshes are 
not entirely frozen over?

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: [JERSEYBI] Say's Phoebe reported from Wallkill (but on NY side)

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The Say’s Phoebe is being seen at the Winding Waters trail off off OIl City Rd. 
This part of the Wallkill Refuge is down the road from the LIberty Loop. It has 
its own parking lot, and the entire trail is in NY. Scope views from a short 
walk from the parking lot. 
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Subject: [JERSEYBI] Say's Phoebe reported from Wallkill (but on NY side)
Reply-To: Susan Treesh 

Passing this report on from the Sussex County email (not text) alert - a Say's 
Phoebe was reported from Wallkill National Wildlife refuge this morning, BUT 
from the NY state Winding Waters Trail boat parking area, which is further 
northwest along Oil City Road from the NJ state Liberty Loop.  The bird was 
reported east of the trail, out in the marsh, seen from near a "flood control" 
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But worth checking on the NJ side too!  I take it that the Wallkill marshes are 
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[nysbirds-l] Cattle Egret Relocated Liberty @ Liberty Marsh (NY)

[sophiesaid]

The previously reported Cattle Egret reported by Jim Hayes this morning has 
been relocated tonight.
It flew in from the south, headed north over the Oil City Rd Liberty Loop 
platform and landed in the field by the hunting platform.
It then circled back over the platform, and landed (in NY), east of the 
platform.  It was last seen flying east over the treeline.
Other NY portion of refuge notables: Two American Bittern seen in flight (one 
landed east of platform and was in the same scope frame
as the Cattle Egret), and Sora calling.  Also seen: snipe, and both yellowlegs.

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[nysbirds-l] Cattle Egret Relocated Liberty @ Liberty Marsh (NY)

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The previously reported Cattle Egret reported by Jim Hayes this morning has 
been relocated tonight.
It flew in from the south, headed north over the Oil City Rd Liberty Loop 
platform and landed in the field by the hunting platform.
It then circled back over the platform, and landed (in NY), east of the 
platform.  It was last seen flying east over the treeline.
Other NY portion of refuge notables: Two American Bittern seen in flight (one 
landed east of platform and was in the same scope frame
as the Cattle Egret), and Sora calling.  Also seen: snipe, and both yellowlegs.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Black Dirt - Wallkill

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 Dear Steve/ NYSBIRDS,


Re: Canadian (or Northern) RTHA seen in the Black Dirt Region- there have been 
a few sightings reported.  I recently been reporting a Northern RTHA 
(Abietcola) at the Wallkill River NWR (Sussex County portion
of the Refuge) over the last few weeks.   I have seen this Northern RTHA cross 
over into the NY border on 1/19/18 (I have poor documentary photos of this hawk 
on this date in NY), but have attached a photo to this listserv
email of this same hawk seen in the NJ portion of the Liberty Loop for the 
prior day.  If you cannot view the photo, you can find it attached to my ebird 
report- Wallkill NWR Liberty Loop (Sussex) on 1/18/18.  This Abietcola
prefers to the southern portion of the Liberty Loop in Sussex, but can be seen 
occasionally crossing the border into Orange County, NY.  Very few Abietcolas 
have been seen and reported in the Black Dirt this season.

The winter passerines have been seen and reported, but with the snow melt, the 
mixed flocks have been moving around, and are harder to locate.  







Linda Scrima





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To: NYSBIRDS-L 
Sent: Sun, Jan 28, 2018 10:53 am
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Black Dirt - Wallkill



I did my now annual raptor photography trip yesterday to Orange County’s Black 
Dirt region and to the Wallkill Refuge straddling New York and New Jersey. The 
effort now includes a count, which I enter into HMANA’s (Hawk Migration 
Association of North America) winter raptor survey database. Yesterday’s tally 
included 9 Rough-legged Hawks, all along Pumpkin Swamp Road and the fields 
straddling Route 6 south to Sidoti Lane (so none in the Wallkill (I don’t cover 
Shawangunk)). Of the 25 Red-tailed Hawks tallied, all those seen well enough 
were typical Eastern birds. It’s a small sample size, but does it suggest that 
few or no dark Canadian birds came down this year? I’ve not seen the one that 
wintered around Flushing Meadows in Queens the last two winters, either. We 
know Rough-legs are irruptive and variable in  numbers. I’m not sure if 
anyone’s thought about that in regard to Red-tails, but it might be something 
to think about. 
 
The rest of the count: Black Vulture 3, Turkey Vulture 12, Northern Harrier 11, 
American Kestrel 2. I did see two Bald Eagles for the day – these seen on my 
way home. They were flying over Route 9 , in the vicinity of Croton Point. 
There didn’t seem to be much ice in that area anymore, but a lot still just 
south of the Bear Mountain Bridge. It remains to be seen how that bodes for the 
upcoming Eaglefest. I did my eagle trip on January 20. Just at two stops – 
Verplanck and Charles Point – I counted around 75. Hopefully, a bunch will 
still be around.
 
For those that are interested, I saw little in the way of grassland passerines 
in the black dirt area. Flocks of 3 and 4 Horned Larks were it. Perhaps the 
current lack of snow cover allowed them to spread out. 
 
 
Steve Walter
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Black Dirt - Wallkill

[sophiesaid]

 Dear Steve/ NYSBIRDS,


Re: Canadian (or Northern) RTHA seen in the Black Dirt Region- there have been 
a few sightings reported.  I recently been reporting a Northern RTHA 
(Abietcola) at the Wallkill River NWR (Sussex County portion
of the Refuge) over the last few weeks.   I have seen this Northern RTHA cross 
over into the NY border on 1/19/18 (I have poor documentary photos of this hawk 
on this date in NY), but have attached a photo to this listserv
email of this same hawk seen in the NJ portion of the Liberty Loop for the 
prior day.  If you cannot view the photo, you can find it attached to my ebird 
report- Wallkill NWR Liberty Loop (Sussex) on 1/18/18.  This Abietcola
prefers to the southern portion of the Liberty Loop in Sussex, but can be seen 
occasionally crossing the border into Orange County, NY.  Very few Abietcolas 
have been seen and reported in the Black Dirt this season.

The winter passerines have been seen and reported, but with the snow melt, the 
mixed flocks have been moving around, and are harder to locate.  







Linda Scrima





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From: Steve Walter 
To: NYSBIRDS-L 
Sent: Sun, Jan 28, 2018 10:53 am
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Black Dirt - Wallkill



I did my now annual raptor photography trip yesterday to Orange County’s Black 
Dirt region and to the Wallkill Refuge straddling New York and New Jersey. The 
effort now includes a count, which I enter into HMANA’s (Hawk Migration 
Association of North America) winter raptor survey database. Yesterday’s tally 
included 9 Rough-legged Hawks, all along Pumpkin Swamp Road and the fields 
straddling Route 6 south to Sidoti Lane (so none in the Wallkill (I don’t cover 
Shawangunk)). Of the 25 Red-tailed Hawks tallied, all those seen well enough 
were typical Eastern birds. It’s a small sample size, but does it suggest that 
few or no dark Canadian birds came down this year? I’ve not seen the one that 
wintered around Flushing Meadows in Queens the last two winters, either. We 
know Rough-legs are irruptive and variable in  numbers. I’m not sure if 
anyone’s thought about that in regard to Red-tails, but it might be something 
to think about. 
 
The rest of the count: Black Vulture 3, Turkey Vulture 12, Northern Harrier 11, 
American Kestrel 2. I did see two Bald Eagles for the day – these seen on my 
way home. They were flying over Route 9 , in the vicinity of Croton Point. 
There didn’t seem to be much ice in that area anymore, but a lot still just 
south of the Bear Mountain Bridge. It remains to be seen how that bodes for the 
upcoming Eaglefest. I did my eagle trip on January 20. Just at two stops – 
Verplanck and Charles Point – I counted around 75. Hopefully, a bunch will 
still be around.
 
For those that are interested, I saw little in the way of grassland passerines 
in the black dirt area. Flocks of 3 and 4 Horned Larks were it. Perhaps the 
current lack of snow cover allowed them to spread out. 
 
 
Steve Walter
Bayside, NY

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Pine Island Missionlands Road, Warwick.NY

[sophiesaid]

 Hi Bill and the NY Listserv~

My reply to your post was to ask you to avoid confrontation. This man seems to 
be an anomaly, most of the Black Dirt farmers are super nice,
and in my humble opinion, super patient with the influx of birders and 
photographers during the different bird migrating seasons.
This man seems agitated, and I am thinking that maybe birder kindness will only 
help the situation.  It is a public road, but 
it seems that this man wants to blow off steam.   All the local birders are 
respectful, and try to avoid confrontation with any land owners (keep in mind 
that the street may be public, but
the land is not).   Very rarely, birders or photographers may block roads (or 
their trucks), make sudden stops, drive on the wrong side of the road, etc. 
Let's show all the farmers the patience that most show us. :)

Linda Scrima


 

 

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To: NYSBIRDS-L 
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 2:01 pm
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Pine Island Missionlands Road, Warwick.NY



I called Warwick police station and was told it is a county road and he has no 
right to tell anyone it is private. I suggest video him and ask his name.
He has no right to be scaring people off the road.
I heard from someone else who was also told to leave, so he is doing it to a 
number of bird watchers.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Pine Island Missionlands Road, Warwick.NY

[sophiesaid]

 Hi Bill and the NY Listserv~

My reply to your post was to ask you to avoid confrontation. This man seems to 
be an anomaly, most of the Black Dirt farmers are super nice,
and in my humble opinion, super patient with the influx of birders and 
photographers during the different bird migrating seasons.
This man seems agitated, and I am thinking that maybe birder kindness will only 
help the situation.  It is a public road, but 
it seems that this man wants to blow off steam.   All the local birders are 
respectful, and try to avoid confrontation with any land owners (keep in mind 
that the street may be public, but
the land is not).   Very rarely, birders or photographers may block roads (or 
their trucks), make sudden stops, drive on the wrong side of the road, etc. 
Let's show all the farmers the patience that most show us. :)

Linda Scrima


 

 

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To: NYSBIRDS-L 
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 2:01 pm
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Pine Island Missionlands Road, Warwick.NY



I called Warwick police station and was told it is a county road and he has no 
right to tell anyone it is private. I suggest video him and ask his name.
He has no right to be scaring people off the road.
I heard from someone else who was also told to leave, so he is doing it to a 
number of bird watchers.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Pine Island

[sophiesaid]

 In all the time that I have been birding Missionland, I have only had this 
experience once- with the same individual (at least by the description of the 
truck).  I avoided confrontation, and said that I was leaving.
One of the farmers who owns property on Missionland stops to talk to me each 
time that he sees me.  I explained what happened and he said that Missionland 
is *not* a private road, but suggests to avoid conflict
with this individual (and I have the benefit of using the this kind farmer's 
name)... I asked this kind farmer what advice I should give to other birders 
that have had this same scenario happen and he suggested to avoid conflict, 
but, if necessary,
suggest that you will call the state troopers and ask if it is a private or 
public road.  It *is* a public road.  Hopefully, this will defuse situation, 
and no call will need to be made. But, it is best to avoid conflict (and not 
make the situation worse for others that often bird there). :)

Linda Scrima

 

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To: NYSBIRDS-L 
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 11:13 am
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Pine Island



Hi Just back from Pine Island area not many birds as there is not a lot of Sod 
under cultivation.
I was sitting on Mission line road just south of the Audi service place. This 
white truck comes along and the guy says that Mission line is a private road 
and the land is all private so no Birdwatching. I have had friends who have 
been told this before, so what is the designation of this road.
He seemed to especially be against bird watchers as he repeated "no bird 
watching" several times.
I think he may be from the double wide that is parked on the left as you go 
south.


I have NJ plates and as I do bird up there often. I would not call myself a 
regular, I did not argue with him but just kept birding.
Thanks for any info.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Pine Island

[sophiesaid]

 In all the time that I have been birding Missionland, I have only had this 
experience once- with the same individual (at least by the description of the 
truck).  I avoided confrontation, and said that I was leaving.
One of the farmers who owns property on Missionland stops to talk to me each 
time that he sees me.  I explained what happened and he said that Missionland 
is *not* a private road, but suggests to avoid conflict
with this individual (and I have the benefit of using the this kind farmer's 
name)... I asked this kind farmer what advice I should give to other birders 
that have had this same scenario happen and he suggested to avoid conflict, 
but, if necessary,
suggest that you will call the state troopers and ask if it is a private or 
public road.  It *is* a public road.  Hopefully, this will defuse situation, 
and no call will need to be made. But, it is best to avoid conflict (and not 
make the situation worse for others that often bird there). :)

Linda Scrima

 

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From: Bill Elrick 
To: NYSBIRDS-L 
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 11:13 am
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Pine Island



Hi Just back from Pine Island area not many birds as there is not a lot of Sod 
under cultivation.
I was sitting on Mission line road just south of the Audi service place. This 
white truck comes along and the guy says that Mission line is a private road 
and the land is all private so no Birdwatching. I have had friends who have 
been told this before, so what is the designation of this road.
He seemed to especially be against bird watchers as he repeated "no bird 
watching" several times.
I think he may be from the double wide that is parked on the left as you go 
south.


I have NJ plates and as I do bird up there often. I would not call myself a 
regular, I did not argue with him but just kept birding.
Thanks for any info.
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[nysbirds-l] White Pelican- Montezuma

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White Pelican at Benning Marsh Montezuma, this morning. Have photos.
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[nysbirds-l] White Ibis- Yes Orange County

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7/17/17  Thunder/lightning storm stakeout in car at Wickham Lake, Warwick 
tonight.
5 White Ibis flew over car, and flew past yesterday's perch in treeline.  Ibis 
circled back past perch a few minutes later, but kept going.
Took documentary photo through car windshield. The rain was too heavy and 
lightning got worse, so I left without relocating. 


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[nysbirds-l] White Ibis- Yes Orange County

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7/17/17  Thunder/lightning storm stakeout in car at Wickham Lake, Warwick 
tonight.
5 White Ibis flew over car, and flew past yesterday's perch in treeline.  Ibis 
circled back past perch a few minutes later, but kept going.
Took documentary photo through car windshield. The rain was too heavy and 
lightning got worse, so I left without relocating. 


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Iceland Gulls on Staten Island

[sophiesaid]

 Happy New Year!

I have lived on SI most of my life, but now I am off the Island and traveling 
to visit family today.
I would like to see the Iceland Gulls on Front Street  (if they are still 
around). 
Because my family thinks that I am only visiting them, I would like to make a 
quick pitstop
to bird- and would like to know the cross street and best (quickest) vantage 
point.  If there is a Glaucous, that would be a bonus.
I have both birds in NJ, but need to see them in my (native) NY.  :)
Linda 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: Isaac Grant 
To: NYSBIRDS-L ; SINaturaList 

Sent: Fri, Dec 23, 2016 2:55 pm
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Iceland Gulls on Staten Island

Currently 2 Iceland Gulls on front street in Staten Island. Both young birds 
and one is much paler than the other. 

Isaac Grant
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Iceland Gulls on Staten Island

[sophiesaid]

 Happy New Year!

I have lived on SI most of my life, but now I am off the Island and traveling 
to visit family today.
I would like to see the Iceland Gulls on Front Street  (if they are still 
around). 
Because my family thinks that I am only visiting them, I would like to make a 
quick pitstop
to bird- and would like to know the cross street and best (quickest) vantage 
point.  If there is a Glaucous, that would be a bonus.
I have both birds in NJ, but need to see them in my (native) NY.  :)
Linda 


 

 

-Original Message-
From: Isaac Grant 
To: NYSBIRDS-L ; SINaturaList 

Sent: Fri, Dec 23, 2016 2:55 pm
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Iceland Gulls on Staten Island

Currently 2 Iceland Gulls on front street in Staten Island. Both young birds 
and one is much paler than the other. 

Isaac Grant
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[nysbirds-l] Bullock's Oriole- Recent sightings???

[sophiesaid]

Trying to schedule a trip to see the Bullock's Oriole? Was it seen today?  Is 
there any consistent time it has been seen?
Any recent info/update would be appreciated. 
Thanks,
Linda Scrima


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[nysbirds-l] Bullock's Oriole- Recent sightings???

[sophiesaid]

Trying to schedule a trip to see the Bullock's Oriole? Was it seen today?  Is 
there any consistent time it has been seen?
Any recent info/update would be appreciated. 
Thanks,
Linda Scrima


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[nysbirds-l] Gyrfalcon- Orange County, NY

[sophiesaid]

I was able to view a perched Gyrfalcon from the platform at the Wallkill 
National Wildlife Preserve tonight, at sunset. It was distant, but was flushed 
by several Northern Harriers and then the Gyrfalcon flew towards me.  I have 
pictures for documentary purposes.  I recommend scopes/binoculars for viewing.  
An exciting bird for Orange County!

Linda Scrima

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[nysbirds-l] Gyrfalcon- Orange County, NY

[sophiesaid]

I was able to view a perched Gyrfalcon from the platform at the Wallkill 
National Wildlife Preserve tonight, at sunset. It was distant, but was flushed 
by several Northern Harriers and then the Gyrfalcon flew towards me.  I have 
pictures for documentary purposes.  I recommend scopes/binoculars for viewing.  
An exciting bird for Orange County!

Linda Scrima

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark morph redtail

[sophiesaid]

I relocated the Western RTHA today in the Black Dirt Region, Orange County, NY. 
 It flew in and perched and then flew off, and I was not able to relocate.
I have pictures and received confirmation on the ID.  It covered  Black Dirt 
(Flew in from RT 1 and flew in past sod farms).  

Linda Scrima

 

-Original Message-
From: Steve Walter 
To: nysbirds-l 
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 5:47 pm
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Dark morph redtail



I got to see a couple of Steve’s pictures, and consulted with Jerry Ligouri. 
This is a rufous morph of the subspecies calurus -- Western Red-tailed Hawk.
Anyone get pictures of the one in Staten Island or see it again?

Steve Walter

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[mailto:bounce-120032476-8873...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Steven Sachs
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 11:48 AM
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Dark morph redtail
Just photographed an adult dark morph red tail on skinners lane in the black 
dirt region of Orange County. 
Steve Sachs 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Dark morph redtail

[sophiesaid]

I relocated the Western RTHA today in the Black Dirt Region, Orange County, NY. 
 It flew in and perched and then flew off, and I was not able to relocate.
I have pictures and received confirmation on the ID.  It covered  Black Dirt 
(Flew in from RT 1 and flew in past sod farms).  

Linda Scrima

 

-Original Message-
From: Steve Walter 
To: nysbirds-l 
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 5:47 pm
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Dark morph redtail



I got to see a couple of Steve’s pictures, and consulted with Jerry Ligouri. 
This is a rufous morph of the subspecies calurus -- Western Red-tailed Hawk.
Anyone get pictures of the one in Staten Island or see it again?

Steve Walter

-Original Message-
From: bounce-120032476-8873...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-120032476-8873...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Steven Sachs
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 11:48 AM
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Dark morph redtail
Just photographed an adult dark morph red tail on skinners lane in the black 
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Steve Sachs 
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