Re: [nysbirds-l] Wallkill/liberty loop trail issues currently
While I am unsure why Patrick posted this to the entire group, I thought that I would quickly address a few things he brought up: The refuge workers are working from home, short staffed, and limited budget, so signage probably will not be going up any time soon. Has any one been to a Federal Refuge where there was signage delineating county/state borders? Patrick, I spoke to you once, in the rain, at the platform, and responded to your crane questions. I told you that I was in a rush to leave to get my birding equipment into my car.I was doing a breeding bird survey this past weekend, so was not able to talk. The consensus is that the cranes probably had two failed nesting/raising young attempts. Not to beat a dead horse, but it has been explained that many local birders were hopeful that the crane pair would be successful,and did not want to broadcast it to the public- last year's fiasco has also been explained (Birder/photographers traipsing through farmer's private property on the refuge's access lane, causing farmers to complain and ask to refuge to shut down the Liberty Lane access Rd north of Oil City Rd.Birder photographers were also traipsing through marsh/ closed trails to get closer photos *on a daily basis*. MANY volunteers had to monitor the nest. The cranes were still reported and information was accessible on ebird. The Wallkill River NWR is a wonderful place to bird! Linda -Original Message- From: patrickhoran To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu Sent: Mon, Jun 1, 2020 1:28 pm Subject: [nysbirds-l] Wallkill/liberty loop trail issues currently Greetings to all concerned about being accurate.i am one of the naive ebird posters who added both state's birds to my atlas report.that has since been corrected and is accurate to the best of my ability.regarding the volunteer I had spoken with not once but twice,it should be pointed out to her and maybe others as well that if you see a person in the loop with birding gear and strike up a conversation on let's say...the sandhill cranes,which was the case,and the unfamiliar individual let's you know he or she is an active ebird contributor maybe you should make it a point of telling them (as was the case in your telling me all the good things you do for the cote/crane security work) that there is another state that takes up the majority of the actual loop side.you cant say your a big bird atlas contributor who strives for accuracy's and miss not one but 2 opportunitys to point this out about a stateline,then complain about there listings later to someone else or others.and why all the secrecy about the cranes.you took the time to ask not to post any sightings on them a pair that's been there at least 2 years during breeding season? and thats why I added the cranes to my n.j. list so maybe others may come to see them(I was going to omit them but for the sake of accuracy I didn't),and maybe a least bittern.also on new jerseys side btw.i hope the signs I suggested to Linda on her facebook New York birder post will be going up asap.i know I can get animated when talking to people birding in my backyard if they have the misfortune of stopping me(borderline overbearing) but I do try to give as much information as possible,for the sake of those who are and were in the past helpful to me.so thank you linda and bruce two nice people I was fortunate to meet up in the loop.it was a great place to bird,and why I returned saturday morning for more great birding. Regard's,patrick h Bronx county Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds ABA Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Wallkill/liberty loop trail issues currently
While I am unsure why Patrick posted this to the entire group, I thought that I would quickly address a few things he brought up: The refuge workers are working from home, short staffed, and limited budget, so signage probably will not be going up any time soon. Has any one been to a Federal Refuge where there was signage delineating county/state borders? Patrick, I spoke to you once, in the rain, at the platform, and responded to your crane questions. I told you that I was in a rush to leave to get my birding equipment into my car.I was doing a breeding bird survey this past weekend, so was not able to talk. The consensus is that the cranes probably had two failed nesting/raising young attempts. Not to beat a dead horse, but it has been explained that many local birders were hopeful that the crane pair would be successful,and did not want to broadcast it to the public- last year's fiasco has also been explained (Birder/photographers traipsing through farmer's private property on the refuge's access lane, causing farmers to complain and ask to refuge to shut down the Liberty Lane access Rd north of Oil City Rd.Birder photographers were also traipsing through marsh/ closed trails to get closer photos *on a daily basis*. MANY volunteers had to monitor the nest. The cranes were still reported and information was accessible on ebird. The Wallkill River NWR is a wonderful place to bird! Linda -Original Message- From: patrickhoran To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu Sent: Mon, Jun 1, 2020 1:28 pm Subject: [nysbirds-l] Wallkill/liberty loop trail issues currently Greetings to all concerned about being accurate.i am one of the naive ebird posters who added both state's birds to my atlas report.that has since been corrected and is accurate to the best of my ability.regarding the volunteer I had spoken with not once but twice,it should be pointed out to her and maybe others as well that if you see a person in the loop with birding gear and strike up a conversation on let's say...the sandhill cranes,which was the case,and the unfamiliar individual let's you know he or she is an active ebird contributor maybe you should make it a point of telling them (as was the case in your telling me all the good things you do for the cote/crane security work) that there is another state that takes up the majority of the actual loop side.you cant say your a big bird atlas contributor who strives for accuracy's and miss not one but 2 opportunitys to point this out about a stateline,then complain about there listings later to someone else or others.and why all the secrecy about the cranes.you took the time to ask not to post any sightings on them a pair that's been there at least 2 years during breeding season? and thats why I added the cranes to my n.j. list so maybe others may come to see them(I was going to omit them but for the sake of accuracy I didn't),and maybe a least bittern.also on new jerseys side btw.i hope the signs I suggested to Linda on her facebook New York birder post will be going up asap.i know I can get animated when talking to people birding in my backyard if they have the misfortune of stopping me(borderline overbearing) but I do try to give as much information as possible,for the sake of those who are and were in the past helpful to me.so thank you linda and bruce two nice people I was fortunate to meet up in the loop.it was a great place to bird,and why I returned saturday morning for more great birding. Regard's,patrick h Bronx county Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds ABA Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Wallkill/liberty loop trail issues currently
Greetings to all concerned about being accurate.i am one of the naive ebird posters who added both state's birds to my atlas report.that has since been corrected and is accurate to the best of my ability.regarding the volunteer I had spoken with not once but twice,it should be pointed out to her and maybe others as well that if you see a person in the loop with birding gear and strike up a conversation on let's say...the sandhill cranes,which was the case,and the unfamiliar individual let's you know he or she is an active ebird contributor maybe you should make it a point of telling them (as was the case in your telling me all the good things you do for the cote/crane security work) that there is another state that takes up the majority of the actual loop side.you cant say your a big bird atlas contributor who strives for accuracy's and miss not one but 2 opportunitys to point this out about a stateline,then complain about there listings later to someone else or others.and why all the secrecy about the cranes.you took the time to ask not to post any sightings on them a pair that's been there at least 2 years during breeding season? and thats why I added the cranes to my n.j. list so maybe others may come to see them(I was going to omit them but for the sake of accuracy I didn't),and maybe a least bittern.also on new jerseys side btw.i hope the signs I suggested to Linda on her facebook New York birder post will be going up asap.i know I can get animated when talking to people birding in my backyard if they have the misfortune of stopping me(borderline overbearing) but I do try to give as much information as possible,for the sake of those who are and were in the past helpful to me.so thank you linda and bruce two nice people I was fortunate to meet up in the loop.it was a great place to bird,and why I returned saturday morning for more great birding. Regard's,patrick h Bronx county Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Wallkill/liberty loop trail issues currently
Greetings to all concerned about being accurate.i am one of the naive ebird posters who added both state's birds to my atlas report.that has since been corrected and is accurate to the best of my ability.regarding the volunteer I had spoken with not once but twice,it should be pointed out to her and maybe others as well that if you see a person in the loop with birding gear and strike up a conversation on let's say...the sandhill cranes,which was the case,and the unfamiliar individual let's you know he or she is an active ebird contributor maybe you should make it a point of telling them (as was the case in your telling me all the good things you do for the cote/crane security work) that there is another state that takes up the majority of the actual loop side.you cant say your a big bird atlas contributor who strives for accuracy's and miss not one but 2 opportunitys to point this out about a stateline,then complain about there listings later to someone else or others.and why all the secrecy about the cranes.you took the time to ask not to post any sightings on them a pair that's been there at least 2 years during breeding season? and thats why I added the cranes to my n.j. list so maybe others may come to see them(I was going to omit them but for the sake of accuracy I didn't),and maybe a least bittern.also on new jerseys side btw.i hope the signs I suggested to Linda on her facebook New York birder post will be going up asap.i know I can get animated when talking to people birding in my backyard if they have the misfortune of stopping me(borderline overbearing) but I do try to give as much information as possible,for the sake of those who are and were in the past helpful to me.so thank you linda and bruce two nice people I was fortunate to meet up in the loop.it was a great place to bird,and why I returned saturday morning for more great birding. Regard's,patrick h Bronx county Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
