RE: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread Gus Keri 
On April 13, 2019, I saw a group of 10 Bonaparte's Gulls in NY Harbor. They 
landed in front of the Veteran Memorial Pier in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. I posted 
photos of them here:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S54915112
An hour later, I saw 20 of them near the Belt Parkway Promenade by 92nd st 
overpass in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. I posted their photos here:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S54915913



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 > Yes, I know, but didn’t want to be accused of exaggerating, and don’t have 
 > the F’s at hand.
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 >  On Behalf Of Peter Post
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 > Cc: Thomas Fiore ; NYS Birds ; 
 > Emily Peyton 
 > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 
 > 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)
 >  
 > I believe It’s been down for longer than that  Check Xmas Bird Counts for 
 > exact years and details. We used to get large numbers at such places as Pt. 
 > Lookout, for example. But no longer There’s been a change in ecology or 
 > something in region 10. Yet there are still large numbers of Bonaparte’s 
 > being seen on the Great Lakes and to the south of us in the mid-Atlantic 
 > States. 
 >  
 > Sent from my iPhone
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:08 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 > 
 > My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
 > increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
 > (exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 
 > years. Anybody agree?
 >  
 > From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 >  On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
 > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
 > To: NYS Birds 
 > Cc: Peter W. Post 
 > Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 
 > 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)
 >  
 > Thanks, Peter - 
 >  
 > I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or 
 > frequency all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d 
 > understood them as more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course 
 > elsewhere in the wider region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, 
 > rather than the rarer two species of gull you also referenced.  If only this 
 > were so cuurently!  I wonder then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s 
 > Gull in New York County waters were which included even -for example- 100+ 
 > individuals, much less thousands on one day.  Thank you for the historical 
 > information!
 >  
 > Tom Fiore
 > manhattan
 >  -  -  -  -  -
 >  
 > On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post  wrote:
 >  
 > Tom:
 >  
 > Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. 
 > Into the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter 
 > visitors in New York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds 
 > could be seen on a single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. 
 > Mixed in among them was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was 
 > during that time period that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and 
 > Little Gulls could regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry 
 > (where they would feed with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south 
 > shore Governor’s Island). 
 >  
 > Peter (Post)
 > -  -  -  -  -  -  -
 >  
 > On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore  wrote:
 >  
 > Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 
 > New York County (in N.Y. City) 
 >  
 > 3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
 > afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
 > this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
 > Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
 > (They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, 
 > in terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for 
 > this & other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year 
 > when much movement is occurring).
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RE: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread Gus Keri 
On April 13, 2019, I saw a group of 10 Bonaparte's Gulls in NY Harbor. They 
landed in front of the Veteran Memorial Pier in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. I posted 
photos of them here:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S54915112
An hour later, I saw 20 of them near the Belt Parkway Promenade by 92nd st 
overpass in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. I posted their photos here:
https://ebird.org/checklist/S54915913



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  On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 21:27:58 -0400   wrote 
 > 
 > Yes, I know, but didn’t want to be accused of exaggerating, and don’t have 
 > the F’s at hand.
 >  
 > From: bounce-125035260-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 >  On Behalf Of Peter Post
 > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:10 PM
 > To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
 > Cc: Thomas Fiore ; NYS Birds ; 
 > Emily Peyton 
 > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 
 > 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)
 >  
 > I believe It’s been down for longer than that  Check Xmas Bird Counts for 
 > exact years and details. We used to get large numbers at such places as Pt. 
 > Lookout, for example. But no longer There’s been a change in ecology or 
 > something in region 10. Yet there are still large numbers of Bonaparte’s 
 > being seen on the Great Lakes and to the south of us in the mid-Atlantic 
 > States. 
 >  
 > Sent from my iPhone
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:08 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 > 
 > My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
 > increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
 > (exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 
 > years. Anybody agree?
 >  
 > From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 >  On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
 > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
 > To: NYS Birds 
 > Cc: Peter W. Post 
 > Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 
 > 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)
 >  
 > Thanks, Peter - 
 >  
 > I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or 
 > frequency all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d 
 > understood them as more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course 
 > elsewhere in the wider region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, 
 > rather than the rarer two species of gull you also referenced.  If only this 
 > were so cuurently!  I wonder then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s 
 > Gull in New York County waters were which included even -for example- 100+ 
 > individuals, much less thousands on one day.  Thank you for the historical 
 > information!
 >  
 > Tom Fiore
 > manhattan
 >  -  -  -  -  -
 >  
 > On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post  wrote:
 >  
 > Tom:
 >  
 > Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. 
 > Into the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter 
 > visitors in New York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds 
 > could be seen on a single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. 
 > Mixed in among them was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was 
 > during that time period that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and 
 > Little Gulls could regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry 
 > (where they would feed with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south 
 > shore Governor’s Island). 
 >  
 > Peter (Post)
 > -  -  -  -  -  -  -
 >  
 > On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore  wrote:
 >  
 > Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 
 > New York County (in N.Y. City) 
 >  
 > 3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
 > afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
 > this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
 > Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
 > (They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, 
 > in terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for 
 > this & other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year 
 > when much movement is occurring).
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Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread Shane Blodgett 
 Lower NY Bay (Gravesend) and its environs has been the best place in NYC for 
Bonaparte's for the last 10 years with 45 eBird records of 100+ birds. They 
tend to not hang around long and April and Nov.-Feb. have all the sight 
records. 17 of the 45 records were from Nov. 2015-Feb. 2016. 
There has been a drop in numbers the last 3 years though there was a flock of 
940 in Leonard Kaiser Park on April 16, 2018.
All time Kings County high in eBird is 1150 viewed from Coney Island Creek Park 
on Nov. 28, 2015 but I'm sure there are probably older records I don't have in 
front of me that may exceed this number.

Regards,Shane BlodgettBrooklyn NY
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 09:28:20 PM EDT, rc...@nyc.rr.com 
 wrote:  
 
 
Yes, I know, but didn’t want to be accused of exaggerating, and don’t have the 
F’s at hand.

  

From: bounce-125035260-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Peter Post
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:10 PM
To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
Cc: Thomas Fiore ; NYS Birds ; 
Emily Peyton 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 
- Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

  

I believe It’s been down for longer than that  Check Xmas Bird Counts for exact 
years and details. We used to get large numbers at such places as Pt. Lookout, 
for example. But no longer There’s been a change in ecology or something in 
region 10. Yet there are still large numbers of Bonaparte’s being seen on the 
Great Lakes and to the south of us in the mid-Atlantic States. 

  

Sent from my iPhone






On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:08 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:





My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
(exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 years. 
Anybody agree?

 

From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
To: NYS Birds 
Cc: Peter W. Post 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - 
Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

 

Thanks, Peter - 

 

I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them as 
more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the wider 
region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the rarer two 
species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so cuurently!  I wonder 
then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in New York County waters 
were which included even -for example- 100+ individuals, much less thousands on 
one day.  Thank you for the historical information!

 

Tom Fiore

manhattan

 -  -  -  -  -

 


On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post  wrote:

 

Tom:

 

Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. Into 
the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors in New 
York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be seen on a 
single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in among them 
was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that time period 
that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls could 
regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would feed 
with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s Island). 

 

Peter (Post)


-  -  -  -  -  -  -

 



On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore  wrote:

 

Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 

New York County (in N.Y. City) 

 

3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
(They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, in 
terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for this 
& other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year when much 
movement is occurring).



 

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Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread Shane Blodgett 
 Lower NY Bay (Gravesend) and its environs has been the best place in NYC for 
Bonaparte's for the last 10 years with 45 eBird records of 100+ birds. They 
tend to not hang around long and April and Nov.-Feb. have all the sight 
records. 17 of the 45 records were from Nov. 2015-Feb. 2016. 
There has been a drop in numbers the last 3 years though there was a flock of 
940 in Leonard Kaiser Park on April 16, 2018.
All time Kings County high in eBird is 1150 viewed from Coney Island Creek Park 
on Nov. 28, 2015 but I'm sure there are probably older records I don't have in 
front of me that may exceed this number.

Regards,Shane BlodgettBrooklyn NY
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 09:28:20 PM EDT, rc...@nyc.rr.com 
 wrote:  
 
 
Yes, I know, but didn’t want to be accused of exaggerating, and don’t have the 
F’s at hand.

  

From: bounce-125035260-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Peter Post
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:10 PM
To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
Cc: Thomas Fiore ; NYS Birds ; 
Emily Peyton 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 
- Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

  

I believe It’s been down for longer than that  Check Xmas Bird Counts for exact 
years and details. We used to get large numbers at such places as Pt. Lookout, 
for example. But no longer There’s been a change in ecology or something in 
region 10. Yet there are still large numbers of Bonaparte’s being seen on the 
Great Lakes and to the south of us in the mid-Atlantic States. 

  

Sent from my iPhone






On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:08 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:





My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
(exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 years. 
Anybody agree?

 

From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
To: NYS Birds 
Cc: Peter W. Post 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - 
Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

 

Thanks, Peter - 

 

I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them as 
more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the wider 
region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the rarer two 
species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so cuurently!  I wonder 
then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in New York County waters 
were which included even -for example- 100+ individuals, much less thousands on 
one day.  Thank you for the historical information!

 

Tom Fiore

manhattan

 -  -  -  -  -

 


On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post  wrote:

 

Tom:

 

Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. Into 
the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors in New 
York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be seen on a 
single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in among them 
was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that time period 
that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls could 
regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would feed 
with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s Island). 

 

Peter (Post)


-  -  -  -  -  -  -

 



On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore  wrote:

 

Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 

New York County (in N.Y. City) 

 

3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
(They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, in 
terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for this 
& other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year when much 
movement is occurring).



 

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RE: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread rcech 
Yes, I know, but didn’t want to be accused of exaggerating, and don’t have the 
F’s at hand.

 

From: bounce-125035260-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Peter Post
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:10 PM
To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
Cc: Thomas Fiore ; NYS Birds ; 
Emily Peyton 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 
- Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

 

I believe It’s been down for longer than that  Check Xmas Bird Counts for exact 
years and details. We used to get large numbers at such places as Pt. Lookout, 
for example. But no longer There’s been a change in ecology or something in 
region 10. Yet there are still large numbers of Bonaparte’s being seen on the 
Great Lakes and to the south of us in the mid-Atlantic States. 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:08 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com <mailto:rc...@nyc.rr.com>  wrote:



My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
(exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 years. 
Anybody agree?

 

From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
<mailto:bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu>  
mailto:bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu> > On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
To: NYS Birds mailto:NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu> >
Cc: Peter W. Post mailto:pwp...@nyc.rr.com> >
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - 
Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

 

Thanks, Peter - 

 

I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them as 
more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the wider 
region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the rarer two 
species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so cuurently!  I wonder 
then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in New York County waters 
were which included even -for example- 100+ individuals, much less thousands on 
one day.  Thank you for the historical information!

 

Tom Fiore

manhattan

 -  -  -  -  -

 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post mailto:pwp...@nyc.rr.com> > wrote:

 

Tom:

 

Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. Into 
the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors in New 
York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be seen on a 
single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in among them 
was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that time period 
that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls could 
regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would feed 
with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s Island). 

 

Peter (Post)

-  -  -  -  -  -  -

 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore mailto:tom...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

 

Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 

New York County (in N.Y. City) 

 

3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
(They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, in 
terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for this 
& other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year when much 
movement is occurring).

 

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RE: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread rcech 
Yes, I know, but didn’t want to be accused of exaggerating, and don’t have the 
F’s at hand.

 

From: bounce-125035260-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Peter Post
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:10 PM
To: rc...@nyc.rr.com
Cc: Thomas Fiore ; NYS Birds ; 
Emily Peyton 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 
- Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

 

I believe It’s been down for longer than that  Check Xmas Bird Counts for exact 
years and details. We used to get large numbers at such places as Pt. Lookout, 
for example. But no longer There’s been a change in ecology or something in 
region 10. Yet there are still large numbers of Bonaparte’s being seen on the 
Great Lakes and to the south of us in the mid-Atlantic States. 

 

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On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:08 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com <mailto:rc...@nyc.rr.com>  wrote:



My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
(exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 years. 
Anybody agree?

 

From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
<mailto:bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu>  
mailto:bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu> > On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
To: NYS Birds mailto:NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu> >
Cc: Peter W. Post mailto:pwp...@nyc.rr.com> >
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - 
Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

 

Thanks, Peter - 

 

I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them as 
more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the wider 
region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the rarer two 
species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so cuurently!  I wonder 
then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in New York County waters 
were which included even -for example- 100+ individuals, much less thousands on 
one day.  Thank you for the historical information!

 

Tom Fiore

manhattan

 -  -  -  -  -

 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post mailto:pwp...@nyc.rr.com> > wrote:

 

Tom:

 

Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. Into 
the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors in New 
York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be seen on a 
single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in among them 
was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that time period 
that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls could 
regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would feed 
with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s Island). 

 

Peter (Post)

-  -  -  -  -  -  -

 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore mailto:tom...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

 

Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 

New York County (in N.Y. City) 

 

3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
(They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, in 
terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for this 
& other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year when much 
movement is occurring).

 

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Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread Peter Post 
I believe It’s been down for longer than that  Check Xmas Bird Counts for exact 
years and details. We used to get large numbers at such places as Pt. Lookout, 
for example. But no longer There’s been a change in ecology or something in 
region 10. Yet there are still large numbers of Bonaparte’s being seen on the 
Great Lakes and to the south of us in the mid-Atlantic States. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:08 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
> 
> 
> My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
> increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
> (exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 
> years. Anybody agree?
>  
> From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
>  On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
> To: NYS Birds 
> Cc: Peter W. Post 
> Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 
> - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)
>  
> Thanks, Peter - 
>  
> I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
> all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them 
> as more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the 
> wider region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the 
> rarer two species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so 
> cuurently!  I wonder then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in 
> New York County waters were which included even -for example- 100+ 
> individuals, much less thousands on one day.  Thank you for the historical 
> information!
>  
> Tom Fiore
> manhattan
>  -  -  -  -  -
>  
> On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post  wrote:
>  
> Tom:
>  
> Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. 
> Into the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors 
> in New York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be 
> seen on a single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in 
> among them was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that 
> time period that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls 
> could regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would 
> feed with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s 
> Island). 
>  
> Peter (Post)
> -  -  -  -  -  -  -
>  
> On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore  wrote:
>  
> Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 
> New York County (in N.Y. City) 
>  
> 3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
> afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
> this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
> Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
> (They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, 
> in terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for 
> this & other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year 
> when much movement is occurring).
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Re: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread Peter Post 
I believe It’s been down for longer than that  Check Xmas Bird Counts for exact 
years and details. We used to get large numbers at such places as Pt. Lookout, 
for example. But no longer There’s been a change in ecology or something in 
region 10. Yet there are still large numbers of Bonaparte’s being seen on the 
Great Lakes and to the south of us in the mid-Atlantic States. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:08 PM, rc...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
> 
> 
> My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
> increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
> (exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 
> years. Anybody agree?
>  
> From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
>  On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
> To: NYS Birds 
> Cc: Peter W. Post 
> Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 
> - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)
>  
> Thanks, Peter - 
>  
> I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
> all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them 
> as more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the 
> wider region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the 
> rarer two species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so 
> cuurently!  I wonder then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in 
> New York County waters were which included even -for example- 100+ 
> individuals, much less thousands on one day.  Thank you for the historical 
> information!
>  
> Tom Fiore
> manhattan
>  -  -  -  -  -
>  
> On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post  wrote:
>  
> Tom:
>  
> Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. 
> Into the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors 
> in New York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be 
> seen on a single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in 
> among them was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that 
> time period that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls 
> could regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would 
> feed with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s 
> Island). 
>  
> Peter (Post)
> -  -  -  -  -  -  -
>  
> On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore  wrote:
>  
> Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 
> New York County (in N.Y. City) 
>  
> 3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
> afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
> this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
> Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
> (They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, 
> in terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for 
> this & other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year 
> when much movement is occurring).
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RE: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread rcech 
My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
(exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 years. 
Anybody agree?

 

From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
To: NYS Birds 
Cc: Peter W. Post 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - 
Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

 

Thanks, Peter - 

 

I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them as 
more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the wider 
region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the rarer two 
species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so cuurently!  I wonder 
then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in New York County waters 
were which included even -for example- 100+ individuals, much less thousands on 
one day.  Thank you for the historical information!

 

Tom Fiore

manhattan

 -  -  -  -  -

 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post mailto:pwp...@nyc.rr.com> > wrote:

 

Tom:

 

Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. Into 
the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors in New 
York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be seen on a 
single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in among them 
was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that time period 
that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls could 
regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would feed 
with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s Island). 

 

Peter (Post)

-  -  -  -  -  -  -

 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore mailto:tom...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

 

Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 

New York County (in N.Y. City) 

 

3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
(They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, in 
terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for this 
& other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year when much 
movement is occurring).

 

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RE: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread rcech 
My purely subjective impression – which runs counter to web ‘wisdom’ of 
increasing species populations – is that the number of Bonies around NYC 
(exclusive of eastern LI, where I don’t go) has been down for about 2-3 years. 
Anybody agree?

 

From: bounce-125034145-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Thomas Fiore
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 11:48 AM
To: NYS Birds 
Cc: Peter W. Post 
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - 
Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

 

Thanks, Peter - 

 

I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them as 
more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the wider 
region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the rarer two 
species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so cuurently!  I wonder 
then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in New York County waters 
were which included even -for example- 100+ individuals, much less thousands on 
one day.  Thank you for the historical information!

 

Tom Fiore

manhattan

 -  -  -  -  -

 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post mailto:pwp...@nyc.rr.com> > wrote:

 

Tom:

 

Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. Into 
the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors in New 
York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be seen on a 
single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in among them 
was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that time period 
that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls could 
regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would feed 
with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s Island). 

 

Peter (Post)

-  -  -  -  -  -  -

 

On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore mailto:tom...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

 

Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 

New York County (in N.Y. City) 

 

3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
(They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, in 
terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for this 
& other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year when much 
movement is occurring).

 

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Re:[nysbirds-l] nysbirds-l] N.Y. County incl. Manhattan, NYC - 10/12 - Bonaparte's Gulls / (etc.)

2020-10-13 Thread Thomas Fiore 
Thanks, Peter - 

I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them as 
more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the wider 
region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the rarer two 
species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so cuurently!  I wonder 
then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in New York County waters 
were which included even -for example- 100+ individuals, much less thousands on 
one day.  Thank you for the historical information!

Tom Fiore
manhattan
 -  -  -  -  -

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post  wrote:
> 
> Tom:
> 
> Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. 
> Into the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors 
> in New York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be 
> seen on a single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in 
> among them was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that 
> time period that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls 
> could regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would 
> feed with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s 
> Island). 
> 
> Peter (Post)

-  -  -  -  -  -  -

>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore > > wrote:
>> 
>> Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 
>> New York County (in N.Y. City) 
>> 
>> 3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
>> afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
>> this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
>> Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
>> (They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, 
>> in terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for 
>> this & other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year 
>> when much movement is occurring).


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2020-10-13 Thread Thomas Fiore 
Thanks, Peter - 

I had not realized there were records for those kinds of numbers or frequency 
all the way into New York County waters in that period; I’d understood them as 
more so in Kings County/Brooklyn waters, & of course elsewhere in the wider 
region, referring in particular to Bonaparte’s Gull, rather than the rarer two 
species of gull you also referenced.  If only this were so cuurently!  I wonder 
then, when the last of sightings of Bonaparte’s Gull in New York County waters 
were which included even -for example- 100+ individuals, much less thousands on 
one day.  Thank you for the historical information!

Tom Fiore
manhattan
 -  -  -  -  -

> On Oct 13, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter W. Post  wrote:
> 
> Tom:
> 
> Bonaparte’s Gull were historically common to abundant in New York County. 
> Into the 1960’s they occurred as spring and fall migrants and winter visitors 
> in New York Harbor and along the Hudson River. Up to 5,000+ birds could be 
> seen on a single day as far north as the George Washington Bridge. Mixed in 
> among them was an occasional Black-headed or Little Gull. It was during that 
> time period that Black-headed Gulls occurred in Central Park and Little Gulls 
> could regularly be seen in May from the Staten island Ferry (where they would 
> feed with Bonaparte’s Gulls in the Rip Tide off the south shore Governor’s 
> Island). 
> 
> Peter (Post)

-  -  -  -  -  -  -

>> On Oct 13, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Fiore > > wrote:
>> 
>> Monday, “Indigenous Peoples’ Day”, Oct. 12th 
>> New York County (in N.Y. City) 
>> 
>> 3 Bonaparte’s Gulls were noted moving south down the Hudson river, in early 
>> afternoon (A. Farnsworth) - although a very ‘rare’ sighting for the county, 
>> this species is almost certainly annual of occurrence in the county, and the 
>> Hudson river possibly the best site to be on the watch for them on passage. 
>> (They are 'extremely rare' as stop-in-&-stay-a-while visitors to the county, 
>> in terms of the historic records but again, it’s worth keeping eyes open for 
>> this & other unexpected larids, and especially at these times of the year 
>> when much movement is occurring).


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