RE: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up.
st trails are more expensive than asphalt to maintain. In a study of 100 rail trails, the yearly costs are the same ($1500/mile/year). See the study <http://www.railstotrails.org/resources/documents/resource_docs/maintenance_ operations_report.pdf> here, pg. 6. Also the fact that parks is planning to run snow-plows and other heavy equipment over the trail which will cost thousands of dollars a year. A less wide stone-dust trail would be less costly. Residents have proposed creating a Friends of the Putnam Nature Trail, to maintain a less wide more natural trail thats accessible to everyone. The city is committed to protecting green spaces, through its PlaNYC 2030 and Forever Wild Preserve programs. Paving in woodland does not live up to these programs. Parks claims it doesnt have maintenance funds to maintain a stone dust trail. But studies show stone-dust trails cost no more than asphalt to maintain, and they cost half of asphalt trails to install. Parks is claiming they need to use asphalt to snow-plow and power-brush the 1.5 mile long trail. There is no such thing as power-brushing trails but if it did exist, it would be expensive. And second, snow-plowing is a wasteful expenditure since Westchester County doesnt snow-plow its side of the trail, leaving it to skiers, and others in winter. Cycling organizations falsely claim the trail is a major north-south route. Not so. There is no east-west access to the trail till 2 miles north of the Bronx border at Yonkers Avenue. The next east-west access point is Palmer Road, over 3 miles to the north. You cannot hop onto the trail every 200 yards or so. It is bounded by parkways blocking accessibility. Local cyclists rely on bike lanes and sharrows to get to their destinations. The park is central to nothing but the park which sits in northwest Bronx. There is no way to ride to the Putnam Trail and commute somewhere. Again, the trail is bounded by parkways and streets that dont reach it. These groups also claim that only asphalt allows them to get through the park when it is known there are many other surfaces available to them that are also more appropriate for wildlife preserves. Open space is not supposed to be designed for 5% of users, especially when alternatives dont exclude that 5%. From: bounce-87866344-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-87866344-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Elizabeth D Poole Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 10:10 AM To: jjann...@tnc.org Cc: birdingd...@gmail.com; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu; ebirds...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up. "...all projects requiring a permit..." What permit is being sought, from whom and by whom? -Original Message- From: Joe Jannsen To: Elizabeth D Poole Cc: birdingdude ; nysbirds-l ; ebirdsnyc Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 9:50 am Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up. Elizabeth, I can't answer your questions regarding the merits of the project, but as a state agency, the DEC has regulatory jurisdiction over all projects requiring a permit regardless of who's property the activity is occurring on; state, municipal, or private. Joe On May 4, 2013, at 12:26 AM, "Elizabeth D Poole" wrote: Is the Putnam Trail State-owned or City-owned? The part in question seems to be entirely within Van Cortlandt Park. I'm curious to know why DEC even has jurisdiction within a City park. You have not explained why it is preferable to keep this old railroad bed, disused for nearly sixty years, in its present state instead of making it available and hospitable to many who do not otherwise get out into the woods. The trail is largely paved already from the City line well into Putnam County. -Original Message- From: Andrew Baksh To: nysbirds-l Cc: Nyc ebirds Sent: Fri, May 3, 2013 6:14 pm Subject: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up. To all birders, naturalists and photographers. Please see the e-mail below and submit your opposition to the paving of the Putnam Nature Trail into NYSDEC before May 17th. I thank all of you who have stepped forward to lend your support. Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! Andrew Baksh www.birdingdude.blogspot.com Begin forwarded message: From: Suzanne Corber Date: May 3, 2013, 12:10:24 PM EDT To: Suzanne Corber Subject: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up. We have found out today that the NYSDEC is taking comments on paving the Putnam Trail. The comment period ends May 17th. We're asking people to send letters AND emails to the below addresses. Express why you do not support paving and why you believe a permit should not be granted. The permit is for the following: Project Description: The applicant propo
Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up.
From: NYDEC By: NYC Parks Dept. Project description requiring DEC permits listed below in this e-mail chain. Joe On May 4, 2013, at 10:10 AM, "Elizabeth D Poole" mailto:acupres...@aol.com>> wrote: "...all projects requiring a permit..." What permit is being sought, from whom and by whom? -Original Message- From: Joe Jannsen mailto:jjann...@tnc.org>> To: Elizabeth D Poole mailto:acupres...@aol.com>> Cc: birdingdude mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>>; nysbirds-l mailto:nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>>; ebirdsnyc mailto:ebirds...@yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 9:50 am Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up. Elizabeth, I can't answer your questions regarding the merits of the project, but as a state agency, the DEC has regulatory jurisdiction over all projects requiring a permit regardless of who's property the activity is occurring on; state, municipal, or private. Joe On May 4, 2013, at 12:26 AM, "Elizabeth D Poole" mailto:acupres...@aol.com>> wrote: Is the Putnam Trail State-owned or City-owned? The part in question seems to be entirely within Van Cortlandt Park. I'm curious to know why DEC even has jurisdiction within a City park. You have not explained why it is preferable to keep this old railroad bed, disused for nearly sixty years, in its present state instead of making it available and hospitable to many who do not otherwise get out into the woods. The trail is largely paved already from the City line well into Putnam County. -Original Message- From: Andrew Baksh mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> To: nysbirds-l mailto:nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>> Cc: Nyc ebirds mailto:ebirds...@yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Fri, May 3, 2013 6:14 pm Subject: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up. To all birders, naturalists and photographers. Please see the e-mail below and submit your opposition to the paving of the Putnam Nature Trail into NYSDEC before May 17th. I thank all of you who have stepped forward to lend your support. Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! Andrew Baksh www.birdingdude.blogspot.com<http://www.birdingdude.blogspot.com> Begin forwarded message: From: Suzanne Corber mailto:scor...@optonline.net>> Date: May 3, 2013, 12:10:24 PM EDT To: Suzanne Corber mailto:scor...@optonline.net>> Subject: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up. We have found out today that the NYSDEC is taking comments on paving the Putnam Trail. The comment period ends May 17th. We're asking people to send letters AND emails to the below addresses. Express why you do not support paving and why you believe a permit should not be granted. The permit is for the following: Project Description: The applicant proposes to convert an existing abandon rail corridor into a multi-use greenway. The proposed work includes removal of old rail ties, paving of the existing rail ballast with a 10 foot wide asphalt path, reconstruction of drainage infrastructure, removal of invasive species, addition of landscape plantings, restoration of historic elements and selective removal of the chain link fence. The project site from the City line to Van Cortlandt Park South in Van Cortlandt Park Along the Putnam Rail Corridor. These are the addresses. Again we're recommending both letters and emails. Harold J Dickey NYSDEC Region 2 Headquarters 47-40 21st St Long Island City, NY 11101 (718)482-4997 r2...@gw.dec.state.ny.us<mailto:r2...@gw.dec.state.ny.us> Thank you for the letters/emails on this important matter !! - S -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> BirdingOnThe.Net<http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> BirdingOnThe.Net<http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebi
Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up.
"...all projects requiring a permit..." What permit is being sought, from whom and by whom? -Original Message- From: Joe Jannsen To: Elizabeth D Poole Cc: birdingdude ; nysbirds-l ; ebirdsnyc Sent: Sat, May 4, 2013 9:50 am Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up. Elizabeth, I can't answer your questions regarding the merits of the project, but as a state agency, the DEC has regulatory jurisdiction over all projects requiring a permit regardless of who's property the activity is occurring on; state, municipal, or private. Joe On May 4, 2013, at 12:26 AM, "Elizabeth D Poole" wrote: Is the Putnam Trail State-owned or City-owned?The part in question seems to be entirely within Van Cortlandt Park. I'm curious to know why DEC even has jurisdiction within a City park. You have not explained why it is preferable to keep this old railroad bed, disused for nearly sixty years, in its present state instead of making it available and hospitable to many who do not otherwise get out into the woods. The trail is largely paved already from the City line well into Putnam County. -Original Message- From: Andrew Baksh To: nysbirds-l Cc: Nyc ebirds Sent: Fri, May 3, 2013 6:14 pm Subject: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up. To all birders, naturalists and photographers. Please see the e-mail below and submit your opposition to the paving of the Putnam Nature Trail into NYSDEC before May 17th. I thank all of you who have stepped forward to lend your support. Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! Andrew Baksh www.birdingdude.blogspot.com Begin forwarded message: From: Suzanne Corber Date: May 3, 2013, 12:10:24 PM EDT To: Suzanne Corber Subject: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up. We have found out today that the NYSDEC is taking comments on paving the Putnam Trail. The comment period ends May 17th. We're asking people to send letters AND emails to the below addresses. Express why you do not support paving and why you believe a permit should not be granted. The permit is for the following: Project Description: The applicant proposes to convert an existing abandon rail corridor into a multi-use greenway. The proposed work includes removal of old rail ties, paving of the existing rail ballast with a 10 foot wide asphalt path, reconstruction of drainage infrastructure, removal of invasive species, addition of landscape plantings, restoration of historic elements and selective removal of the chain link fence. The project site from the City line to Van Cortlandt Park South in Van Cortlandt Park Along the Putnam Rail Corridor. These are the addresses. Again we're recommending both letters and emails. Harold J Dickey NYSDEC Region 2 Headquarters 47-40 21st St Long Island City, NY 11101 (718)482-4997 r2...@gw.dec.state.ny.us Thank you for the letters/emails on this important matter !! - S -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations toeBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations toeBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up.
Elizabeth, I can't answer your questions regarding the merits of the project, but as a state agency, the DEC has regulatory jurisdiction over all projects requiring a permit regardless of who's property the activity is occurring on; state, municipal, or private. Joe On May 4, 2013, at 12:26 AM, "Elizabeth D Poole" mailto:acupres...@aol.com>> wrote: Is the Putnam Trail State-owned or City-owned? The part in question seems to be entirely within Van Cortlandt Park. I'm curious to know why DEC even has jurisdiction within a City park. You have not explained why it is preferable to keep this old railroad bed, disused for nearly sixty years, in its present state instead of making it available and hospitable to many who do not otherwise get out into the woods. The trail is largely paved already from the City line well into Putnam County. -Original Message- From: Andrew Baksh mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>> To: nysbirds-l mailto:nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>> Cc: Nyc ebirds mailto:ebirds...@yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Fri, May 3, 2013 6:14 pm Subject: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up. To all birders, naturalists and photographers. Please see the e-mail below and submit your opposition to the paving of the Putnam Nature Trail into NYSDEC before May 17th. I thank all of you who have stepped forward to lend your support. Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! Andrew Baksh www.birdingdude.blogspot.com<http://www.birdingdude.blogspot.com> Begin forwarded message: From: Suzanne Corber mailto:scor...@optonline.net>> Date: May 3, 2013, 12:10:24 PM EDT To: Suzanne Corber mailto:scor...@optonline.net>> Subject: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up. We have found out today that the NYSDEC is taking comments on paving the Putnam Trail. The comment period ends May 17th. We're asking people to send letters AND emails to the below addresses. Express why you do not support paving and why you believe a permit should not be granted. The permit is for the following: Project Description: The applicant proposes to convert an existing abandon rail corridor into a multi-use greenway. The proposed work includes removal of old rail ties, paving of the existing rail ballast with a 10 foot wide asphalt path, reconstruction of drainage infrastructure, removal of invasive species, addition of landscape plantings, restoration of historic elements and selective removal of the chain link fence. The project site from the City line to Van Cortlandt Park South in Van Cortlandt Park Along the Putnam Rail Corridor. These are the addresses. Again we're recommending both letters and emails. Harold J Dickey NYSDEC Region 2 Headquarters 47-40 21st St Long Island City, NY 11101 (718)482-4997 r2...@gw.dec.state.ny.us<mailto:r2...@gw.dec.state.ny.us> Thank you for the letters/emails on this important matter !! - S -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> BirdingOnThe.Net<http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> Rules and Information<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> Archives: The Mail Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> Surfbirds<http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> BirdingOnThe.Net<http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> Please submit your observations to eBird<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/>! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up.
Is the Putnam Trail State-owned or City-owned? The part in question seems to be entirely within Van Cortlandt Park. I'm curious to know why DEC even has jurisdiction within a City park. You have not explained why it is preferable to keep this old railroad bed, disused for nearly sixty years, in its present state instead of making it available and hospitable to many who do not otherwise get out into the woods. The trail is largely paved already from the City line well into Putnam County. -Original Message- From: Andrew Baksh To: nysbirds-l Cc: Nyc ebirds Sent: Fri, May 3, 2013 6:14 pm Subject: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up. To all birders, naturalists and photographers. Please see the e-mail below and submit your opposition to the paving of the Putnam Nature Trail into NYSDEC before May 17th. I thank all of you who have stepped forward to lend your support. Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! Andrew Baksh www.birdingdude.blogspot.com Begin forwarded message: From: Suzanne Corber Date: May 3, 2013, 12:10:24 PM EDT To: Suzanne Corber Subject: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up. We have found out today that the NYSDEC is taking comments on paving the Putnam Trail. The comment period ends May 17th. We're asking people to send letters AND emails to the below addresses. Express why you do not support paving and why you believe a permit should not be granted. The permit is for the following: Project Description: The applicant proposes to convert an existing abandon rail corridor into a multi-use greenway. The proposed work includes removal of old rail ties, paving of the existing rail ballast with a 10 foot wide asphalt path, reconstruction of drainage infrastructure, removal of invasive species, addition of landscape plantings, restoration of historic elements and selective removal of the chain link fence. The project site from the City line to Van Cortlandt Park South in Van Cortlandt Park Along the Putnam Rail Corridor. These are the addresses. Again we're recommending both letters and emails. Harold J Dickey NYSDEC Region 2 Headquarters 47-40 21st St Long Island City, NY 11101 (718)482-4997 r2...@gw.dec.state.ny.us Thank you for the letters/emails on this important matter !! - S -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Fwd: Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up.
To all birders, naturalists and photographers. Please see the e-mail below and submit your opposition to the paving of the Putnam Nature Trail into NYSDEC before May 17th. I thank all of you who have stepped forward to lend your support. Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! Andrew Baksh www.birdingdude.blogspot.com Begin forwarded message: *From:* Suzanne Corber *Date:* May 3, 2013, 12:10:24 PM EDT *To:* Suzanne Corber *Subject:* *Important on Putnam Trail - comment period deadline coming up.* We have found out today that the NYSDEC is taking comments on paving the Putnam Trail. The comment period ends May 17th. We're asking people to send letters AND emails to the below addresses. Express why you do not support paving and why you believe a permit should not be granted. The permit is for the following: Project Description: The applicant proposes to convert an existing abandon rail corridor into a multi-use greenway. The proposed work includes removal of old rail ties, paving of the existing rail ballast with a 10 foot wide asphalt path, reconstruction of drainage infrastructure, removal of invasive species, addition of landscape plantings, restoration of historic elements and selective removal of the chain link fence. The project site from the City line to Van Cortlandt Park South in Van Cortlandt Park Along the Putnam Rail Corridor. These are the addresses. Again we're recommending both letters and emails. Harold J Dickey NYSDEC Region 2 Headquarters 47-40 21st St Long Island City, NY 11101 (718)482-4997 r2...@gw.dec.state.ny.us Thank you for the letters/emails on this important matter !! - S -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
