Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[ArieGilbert]

It is good to know no one behaved badly. Very good. But it has happened in this 
region in the past. Egregiously. You were asked to leave because of *what 
-others- did in the past.*  I am not privy to the private or not status of this 
particular road,  but I know of similar conflicts elsewhere where the road is 
absolutely not private. This is what happens to the well behaved following 
those who do not and piss off the locals.  And so it goes.  Arie Gilbert Sent 
from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: Dawn Hannay  Date: 
1/19/21  1:46 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: ArieGilbert  Cc: 
Trachlar , Isaac Weiss , Adrian Burke 
, "Groups.io" 
, NYSBIRDS-L 
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk 
Orange co. According to GPS maps, the road everyone was on is Cedar Swamp Road. 
Nobody was running into farm fields, blocking farm vehicles or the like. 
Everyone was respectful and polite. The landowner in question indicated that 
the entire road is private and asked everyone to leave, which we did.  I think 
the question is whether Cedar Swamp Road itself is a public or private road. 
There is no signage indicating it is private, so if it is, birders need to 
know. Dawn HannaySent from my iPhoneOn Jan 19, 2021, at 1:36 PM, ArieGilbert 
 wrote:A problem not unique to this area is birders 
blocking or impeding traffic, trespassing onto property like a farm field, 
irrespective of signage ( if in doubt, *don't* ) blocking driveways,  and being 
less than nice to the residents when they inquire about your presence or 
intentions. If you interact with locals be polite and share your 
excitement.There are farmers who are working and blocking their way is 
understandably irritating to them.  If you see vehicles coming your way,  move 
*before* they have to slow down or wait. If a problem is avoided, future 
visitors will be welcome.OTOH, a jerk will ruin it for all who arrive later.  
And you will be told the roads are private or closed off. In the recent past 
people were running across farm fields to get photos.  If only telephoto lenses 
existed...In western states, trespassing would get you shot first.  An 
effective deterrent. So let's all enjoy the birds AND behave like civilized 
adults. Arie Gilbert. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original 
message From: Trachlar  Date: 1/19/21  12:53 PM  
(GMT-05:00) To: Isaac Weiss  Cc: Adrian Burke 
, "Groups.io" 
, NYSBIRDS-L 
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk 
Orange co. I realize at least from what I have read (e.g. with a homeowner on 
the road w the “Camel Farm” (Rte 62) and Mission Land Road) that there have 
been issues between property owners in the black dirt region and birders. 
Obviously owners have a right in this Country to keep folks off their property 
(the means used is another issue). Cedar Swamp Road seems to run about 2.7 
miles, may I ask what makes the road itself a “private” road?  L. Trachtenberg 
Ossining“The white man made us many promises, more than I can remember, but 
they only kept but one, they promised to take our land, and they took it.”Red 
CloudOglala LakotaSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 19, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Isaac Weiss 
 wrote:Thank Adrian for the constant updates.I just met 
one of the owners of the properties around here and he asked not to drive on 
cedar swamp Rd. He said it is a private road.Celery is a public Rd.Thank you 
allAri On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 11:49 AM Adrian Burke  
wrote:FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and 
Maloney LnEl El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke 
 escribió:Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if 
it’s just a Red-tailed) but I have a seemingly good candidate for the 
Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from 
here (41.3635432, -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  
limited white on scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible 
digiscope shots. Will keep updated. Adrian BurkeNYC



--

NYSbirds-L List Info:

Welcome and Basics 

Rules and Information 

Subscribe, Configuration and Leave

Archives:

The Mail Archive

Surfbirds

ABA

Please submit your observations to eBird!

--


--

NYSbirds-L List Info:

Welcome and Basics 

Rules and Information 

Subscribe, Con

Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[ArieGilbert]

It is good to know no one behaved badly. Very good. But it has happened in this 
region in the past. Egregiously. You were asked to leave because of *what 
-others- did in the past.*  I am not privy to the private or not status of this 
particular road,  but I know of similar conflicts elsewhere where the road is 
absolutely not private. This is what happens to the well behaved following 
those who do not and piss off the locals.  And so it goes.  Arie Gilbert Sent 
from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: Dawn Hannay  Date: 
1/19/21  1:46 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: ArieGilbert  Cc: 
Trachlar , Isaac Weiss , Adrian Burke 
, "Groups.io" 
, NYSBIRDS-L 
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk 
Orange co. According to GPS maps, the road everyone was on is Cedar Swamp Road. 
Nobody was running into farm fields, blocking farm vehicles or the like. 
Everyone was respectful and polite. The landowner in question indicated that 
the entire road is private and asked everyone to leave, which we did.  I think 
the question is whether Cedar Swamp Road itself is a public or private road. 
There is no signage indicating it is private, so if it is, birders need to 
know. Dawn HannaySent from my iPhoneOn Jan 19, 2021, at 1:36 PM, ArieGilbert 
 wrote:A problem not unique to this area is birders 
blocking or impeding traffic, trespassing onto property like a farm field, 
irrespective of signage ( if in doubt, *don't* ) blocking driveways,  and being 
less than nice to the residents when they inquire about your presence or 
intentions. If you interact with locals be polite and share your 
excitement.There are farmers who are working and blocking their way is 
understandably irritating to them.  If you see vehicles coming your way,  move 
*before* they have to slow down or wait. If a problem is avoided, future 
visitors will be welcome.OTOH, a jerk will ruin it for all who arrive later.  
And you will be told the roads are private or closed off. In the recent past 
people were running across farm fields to get photos.  If only telephoto lenses 
existed...In western states, trespassing would get you shot first.  An 
effective deterrent. So let's all enjoy the birds AND behave like civilized 
adults. Arie Gilbert. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original 
message From: Trachlar  Date: 1/19/21  12:53 PM  
(GMT-05:00) To: Isaac Weiss  Cc: Adrian Burke 
, "Groups.io" 
, NYSBIRDS-L 
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk 
Orange co. I realize at least from what I have read (e.g. with a homeowner on 
the road w the “Camel Farm” (Rte 62) and Mission Land Road) that there have 
been issues between property owners in the black dirt region and birders. 
Obviously owners have a right in this Country to keep folks off their property 
(the means used is another issue). Cedar Swamp Road seems to run about 2.7 
miles, may I ask what makes the road itself a “private” road?  L. Trachtenberg 
Ossining“The white man made us many promises, more than I can remember, but 
they only kept but one, they promised to take our land, and they took it.”Red 
CloudOglala LakotaSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 19, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Isaac Weiss 
 wrote:Thank Adrian for the constant updates.I just met 
one of the owners of the properties around here and he asked not to drive on 
cedar swamp Rd. He said it is a private road.Celery is a public Rd.Thank you 
allAri On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 11:49 AM Adrian Burke  
wrote:FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and 
Maloney LnEl El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke 
 escribió:Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if 
it’s just a Red-tailed) but I have a seemingly good candidate for the 
Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from 
here (41.3635432, -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  
limited white on scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible 
digiscope shots. Will keep updated. Adrian BurkeNYC



--

NYSbirds-L List Info:

Welcome and Basics 

Rules and Information 

Subscribe, Configuration and Leave

Archives:

The Mail Archive

Surfbirds

ABA

Please submit your observations to eBird!

--


--

NYSbirds-L List Info:

Welcome and Basics 

Rules and Information 

Subscribe, Con

Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[sophiesaid]

I just spoke to the Orange County Highway Dept.I asked how would “sightseers” 
know what roads are public and what roads are private.He said: blue street 
signs are private, green street signs are public. i then asked him if 
“sightseers” could drive on private roads to see the scenery. His answer was 
“no”.So, if you see a blue street sign it is private. If you see a dirt road, 
it is private. The next question is: how do we know which private streets are 
accessible? If it is on ebird (as a hotspot) and doesn’t say “private” then it 
is probably ok. Keep in mind: even though local birders were given permission 
for some spots- that may not be a “blanket” permission for “the masses”. Do not 
be discouraged- it seems that this hawk is still being seen on accessible 
roads.Linda
Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS


On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 1:59 PM, lindsey duval  
wrote:

A similar thing occurred yesterday with Celery, which I am pretty sure that 
long, birdy road is public. While I was on it I saw nobody behind disrespectful 
such as blocking the road or stopping in front of the few houses, yet I drove 
by a homeowner down the road away from his property screaming at a woman birder 
to keep moving. She was way down the road in front of a field. He ended up 
calling the cops, who I came across and were understandable that we were just 
trying to enjoy the birds and seemed annoyed at the homeowner, who apparently 
had told him that "everybody" was stopping right in front of his house, which 
wasn't even interesting bird-wise. 
There needs to be a medium or you'll find yourselves with nowhere to bird in 
that region if so many homeowners are trying to get multiple roads closed to 
birders in just a few days by claiming they are private or bothered, simply 
because they never want to see a vehicle anywhere, and birders are supposed to 
just accept homeowners not understanding how public/private property laws work. 
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 1:47 PM Dawn Hannay  wrote:

According to GPS maps, the road everyone was on is Cedar Swamp Road. Nobody was 
running into farm fields, blocking farm vehicles or the like. Everyone was 
respectful and polite. The landowner in question indicated that the entire road 
is private and asked everyone to leave, which we did.  I think the question is 
whether Cedar Swamp Road itself is a public or private road. There is no 
signage indicating it is private, so if it is, birders need to know. Dawn Hannay

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2021, at 1:36 PM, ArieGilbert  wrote:



A problem not unique to this area is birders blocking or impeding traffic, 
trespassing onto property like a farm field, irrespective of signage ( if in 
doubt, *don't* ) blocking driveways,  and being less than nice to the residents 
when they inquire about your presence or intentions. If you interact with 
locals be polite and share your excitement.
There are farmers who are working and blocking their way is understandably 
irritating to them.  If you see vehicles coming your way,  move *before* they 
have to slow down or wait. 
If a problem is avoided, future visitors will be welcome.
OTOH, a jerk will ruin it for all who arrive later.  And you will be told the 
roads are private or closed off. In the recent past people were running across 
farm fields to get photos.  If only telephoto lenses existed...
In western states, trespassing would get you shot first.  An effective 
deterrent. 
So let's all enjoy the birds AND behave like civilized adults. 
Arie Gilbert. 





Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message From: Trachlar  Date: 
1/19/21 12:53 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Isaac Weiss  Cc: Adrian 
Burke , "Groups.io" 
, NYSBIRDS-L 
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk 
Orange co. 
I realize at least from what I have read (e.g. with a homeowner on the road w 
the “Camel Farm” (Rte 62) and Mission Land Road) that there have been issues 
between property owners in the black dirt region and birders. Obviously owners 
have a right in this Country to keep folks off their property (the means used 
is another issue). Cedar Swamp Road seems to run about 2.7 miles, may I ask 
what makes the road itself a “private” road?  
L. Trachtenberg Ossining
“The white man made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they only 
kept but one, they promised to take our land, and they took it.”
Red CloudOglala Lakota

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Isaac Weiss  wrote:



Thank Adrian for the constant updates.I just met one of the owners of the 
properties around here and he asked not to drive on cedar swamp Rd. He said it 
is a private road.Celery is a public Rd.
Thank you allAri 
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 11:49 AM Adrian Burke  wrote:

FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and Maloney Ln
El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke  
escribió:

Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red

Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[sophiesaid]

I just spoke to the Orange County Highway Dept.I asked how would “sightseers” 
know what roads are public and what roads are private.He said: blue street 
signs are private, green street signs are public. i then asked him if 
“sightseers” could drive on private roads to see the scenery. His answer was 
“no”.So, if you see a blue street sign it is private. If you see a dirt road, 
it is private. The next question is: how do we know which private streets are 
accessible? If it is on ebird (as a hotspot) and doesn’t say “private” then it 
is probably ok. Keep in mind: even though local birders were given permission 
for some spots- that may not be a “blanket” permission for “the masses”. Do not 
be discouraged- it seems that this hawk is still being seen on accessible 
roads.Linda
Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS


On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 1:59 PM, lindsey duval  
wrote:

A similar thing occurred yesterday with Celery, which I am pretty sure that 
long, birdy road is public. While I was on it I saw nobody behind disrespectful 
such as blocking the road or stopping in front of the few houses, yet I drove 
by a homeowner down the road away from his property screaming at a woman birder 
to keep moving. She was way down the road in front of a field. He ended up 
calling the cops, who I came across and were understandable that we were just 
trying to enjoy the birds and seemed annoyed at the homeowner, who apparently 
had told him that "everybody" was stopping right in front of his house, which 
wasn't even interesting bird-wise. 
There needs to be a medium or you'll find yourselves with nowhere to bird in 
that region if so many homeowners are trying to get multiple roads closed to 
birders in just a few days by claiming they are private or bothered, simply 
because they never want to see a vehicle anywhere, and birders are supposed to 
just accept homeowners not understanding how public/private property laws work. 
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 1:47 PM Dawn Hannay  wrote:

According to GPS maps, the road everyone was on is Cedar Swamp Road. Nobody was 
running into farm fields, blocking farm vehicles or the like. Everyone was 
respectful and polite. The landowner in question indicated that the entire road 
is private and asked everyone to leave, which we did.  I think the question is 
whether Cedar Swamp Road itself is a public or private road. There is no 
signage indicating it is private, so if it is, birders need to know. Dawn Hannay

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2021, at 1:36 PM, ArieGilbert  wrote:



A problem not unique to this area is birders blocking or impeding traffic, 
trespassing onto property like a farm field, irrespective of signage ( if in 
doubt, *don't* ) blocking driveways,  and being less than nice to the residents 
when they inquire about your presence or intentions. If you interact with 
locals be polite and share your excitement.
There are farmers who are working and blocking their way is understandably 
irritating to them.  If you see vehicles coming your way,  move *before* they 
have to slow down or wait. 
If a problem is avoided, future visitors will be welcome.
OTOH, a jerk will ruin it for all who arrive later.  And you will be told the 
roads are private or closed off. In the recent past people were running across 
farm fields to get photos.  If only telephoto lenses existed...
In western states, trespassing would get you shot first.  An effective 
deterrent. 
So let's all enjoy the birds AND behave like civilized adults. 
Arie Gilbert. 





Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message From: Trachlar  Date: 
1/19/21 12:53 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Isaac Weiss  Cc: Adrian 
Burke , "Groups.io" 
, NYSBIRDS-L 
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk 
Orange co. 
I realize at least from what I have read (e.g. with a homeowner on the road w 
the “Camel Farm” (Rte 62) and Mission Land Road) that there have been issues 
between property owners in the black dirt region and birders. Obviously owners 
have a right in this Country to keep folks off their property (the means used 
is another issue). Cedar Swamp Road seems to run about 2.7 miles, may I ask 
what makes the road itself a “private” road?  
L. Trachtenberg Ossining
“The white man made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they only 
kept but one, they promised to take our land, and they took it.”
Red CloudOglala Lakota

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Isaac Weiss  wrote:



Thank Adrian for the constant updates.I just met one of the owners of the 
properties around here and he asked not to drive on cedar swamp Rd. He said it 
is a private road.Celery is a public Rd.
Thank you allAri 
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 11:49 AM Adrian Burke  wrote:

FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and Maloney Ln
El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke  
escribió:

Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red

Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Gerald Smith]

>From a strictly legal standpoint someone might contact the town  highway 
>superintendent and/or town clerk. Even if one is behaving appropriately and is 
>within legal rights politeness is still required. Since some local folks and 
>some birders can both be unreasonable at times it’s always good to have 
>clarity regarding the legal situation before anything untoward develops Gerry 
>Smith 

Birds rise above it all

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 13:59, lindsey duval  wrote:
> 
> 
> A similar thing occurred yesterday with Celery, which I am pretty sure that 
> long, birdy road is public. While I was on it I saw nobody behind 
> disrespectful such as blocking the road or stopping in front of the few 
> houses, yet I drove by a homeowner down the road away from his property 
> screaming at a woman birder to keep moving. She was way down the road in 
> front of a field. He ended up calling the cops, who I came across and were 
> understandable that we were just trying to enjoy the birds and seemed annoyed 
> at the homeowner, who apparently had told him that "everybody" was stopping 
> right in front of his house, which wasn't even interesting bird-wise. 
> 
> There needs to be a medium or you'll find yourselves with nowhere to bird in 
> that region if so many homeowners are trying to get multiple roads closed to 
> birders in just a few days by claiming they are private or bothered, simply 
> because they never want to see a vehicle anywhere, and birders are supposed 
> to just accept homeowners not understanding how public/private property laws 
> work. 
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 1:47 PM Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>> According to GPS maps, the road everyone was on is Cedar Swamp Road. Nobody 
>> was running into farm fields, blocking farm vehicles or the like. Everyone 
>> was respectful and polite. The landowner in question indicated that the 
>> entire road is private and asked everyone to leave, which we did.  I think 
>> the question is whether Cedar Swamp Road itself is a public or private road. 
>> There is no signage indicating it is private, so if it is, birders need to 
>> know. 
>> Dawn Hannay
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 1:36 PM, ArieGilbert  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> A problem not unique to this area is birders blocking or impeding traffic, 
>>> trespassing onto property like a farm field, irrespective of signage ( if 
>>> in doubt, *don't* ) blocking driveways,  and being less than nice to the 
>>> residents when they inquire about your presence or intentions. If you 
>>> interact with locals be polite and share your excitement.
>>> 
>>> There are farmers who are working and blocking their way is understandably 
>>> irritating to them.  If you see vehicles coming your way,  move *before* 
>>> they have to slow down or wait. 
>>> 
>>> If a problem is avoided, future visitors will be welcome.
>>> 
>>> OTOH, a jerk will ruin it for all who arrive later.  And you will be told 
>>> the roads are private or closed off. In the recent past people were running 
>>> across farm fields to get photos.  If only telephoto lenses existed...
>>> 
>>> In western states, trespassing would get you shot first.  An effective 
>>> deterrent. 
>>> 
>>> So let's all enjoy the birds AND behave like civilized adults. 
>>> 
>>> Arie Gilbert. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Trachlar 
>>> Date: 1/19/21 12:53 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>> To: Isaac Weiss 
>>> Cc: Adrian Burke , "Groups.io" 
>>> , 
>>> NYSBIRDS-L 
>>> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.
>>> 
>>> I realize at least from what I have read (e.g. with a homeowner on the road 
>>> w the “Camel Farm” (Rte 62) and Mission Land Road) that there have been 
>>> issues between property owners in the black dirt region and birders. 
>>> Obviously owners have a right in this Country to keep folks off their 
>>> property (the means used is another issue). Cedar Swamp Road seems to run 
>>> about 2.7 miles, may I ask what makes the road itself a “private” road?  
>>> 
>>> L. Trachtenberg 
>>> Ossining
>>> 
>>> “The white man made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they 
>>> only kept but one, they promised to take our land, and they took it.”
>>> 
>>> Red

Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Gerald Smith]

>From a strictly legal standpoint someone might contact the town  highway 
>superintendent and/or town clerk. Even if one is behaving appropriately and is 
>within legal rights politeness is still required. Since some local folks and 
>some birders can both be unreasonable at times it’s always good to have 
>clarity regarding the legal situation before anything untoward develops Gerry 
>Smith 

Birds rise above it all

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 13:59, lindsey duval  wrote:
> 
> 
> A similar thing occurred yesterday with Celery, which I am pretty sure that 
> long, birdy road is public. While I was on it I saw nobody behind 
> disrespectful such as blocking the road or stopping in front of the few 
> houses, yet I drove by a homeowner down the road away from his property 
> screaming at a woman birder to keep moving. She was way down the road in 
> front of a field. He ended up calling the cops, who I came across and were 
> understandable that we were just trying to enjoy the birds and seemed annoyed 
> at the homeowner, who apparently had told him that "everybody" was stopping 
> right in front of his house, which wasn't even interesting bird-wise. 
> 
> There needs to be a medium or you'll find yourselves with nowhere to bird in 
> that region if so many homeowners are trying to get multiple roads closed to 
> birders in just a few days by claiming they are private or bothered, simply 
> because they never want to see a vehicle anywhere, and birders are supposed 
> to just accept homeowners not understanding how public/private property laws 
> work. 
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 1:47 PM Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>> According to GPS maps, the road everyone was on is Cedar Swamp Road. Nobody 
>> was running into farm fields, blocking farm vehicles or the like. Everyone 
>> was respectful and polite. The landowner in question indicated that the 
>> entire road is private and asked everyone to leave, which we did.  I think 
>> the question is whether Cedar Swamp Road itself is a public or private road. 
>> There is no signage indicating it is private, so if it is, birders need to 
>> know. 
>> Dawn Hannay
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 1:36 PM, ArieGilbert  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> A problem not unique to this area is birders blocking or impeding traffic, 
>>> trespassing onto property like a farm field, irrespective of signage ( if 
>>> in doubt, *don't* ) blocking driveways,  and being less than nice to the 
>>> residents when they inquire about your presence or intentions. If you 
>>> interact with locals be polite and share your excitement.
>>> 
>>> There are farmers who are working and blocking their way is understandably 
>>> irritating to them.  If you see vehicles coming your way,  move *before* 
>>> they have to slow down or wait. 
>>> 
>>> If a problem is avoided, future visitors will be welcome.
>>> 
>>> OTOH, a jerk will ruin it for all who arrive later.  And you will be told 
>>> the roads are private or closed off. In the recent past people were running 
>>> across farm fields to get photos.  If only telephoto lenses existed...
>>> 
>>> In western states, trespassing would get you shot first.  An effective 
>>> deterrent. 
>>> 
>>> So let's all enjoy the birds AND behave like civilized adults. 
>>> 
>>> Arie Gilbert. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Trachlar 
>>> Date: 1/19/21 12:53 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>> To: Isaac Weiss 
>>> Cc: Adrian Burke , "Groups.io" 
>>> , 
>>> NYSBIRDS-L 
>>> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.
>>> 
>>> I realize at least from what I have read (e.g. with a homeowner on the road 
>>> w the “Camel Farm” (Rte 62) and Mission Land Road) that there have been 
>>> issues between property owners in the black dirt region and birders. 
>>> Obviously owners have a right in this Country to keep folks off their 
>>> property (the means used is another issue). Cedar Swamp Road seems to run 
>>> about 2.7 miles, may I ask what makes the road itself a “private” road?  
>>> 
>>> L. Trachtenberg 
>>> Ossining
>>> 
>>> “The white man made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they 
>>> only kept but one, they promised to take our land, and they took it.”
>>> 
>>> Red

Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[lindsey duval]

A similar thing occurred yesterday with Celery, which I am pretty sure that
long, birdy road is public. While I was on it I saw nobody behind
disrespectful such as blocking the road or stopping in front of the few
houses, yet I drove by a homeowner down the road away from his property
screaming at a woman birder to keep moving. She was way down the road in
front of a field. He ended up calling the cops, who I came across and were
understandable that we were just trying to enjoy the birds and seemed
annoyed at the homeowner, who apparently had told him that "everybody" was
stopping right in front of his house, which wasn't even interesting
bird-wise.

There needs to be a medium or you'll find yourselves with nowhere to bird
in that region if so many homeowners are trying to get multiple roads
closed to birders in just a few days by claiming they are private or
bothered, simply because they never want to see a vehicle anywhere, and
birders are supposed to just accept homeowners not understanding how
public/private property laws work.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 1:47 PM Dawn Hannay  wrote:

> According to GPS maps, the road everyone was on is Cedar Swamp Road.
> Nobody was running into farm fields, blocking farm vehicles or the like.
> Everyone was respectful and polite. The landowner in question indicated
> that the entire road is private and asked everyone to leave, which we did.
> I think the question is whether Cedar Swamp Road itself is a public or
> private road. There is no signage indicating it is private, so if it is,
> birders need to know.
> Dawn Hannay
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 19, 2021, at 1:36 PM, ArieGilbert 
> wrote:
>
> 
> A problem not unique to this area is birders blocking or impeding traffic,
> trespassing onto property like a farm field, irrespective of signage ( if
> in doubt, *don't* ) blocking driveways,  and being less than nice to the
> residents when they inquire about your presence or intentions. If you
> interact with locals be polite and share your excitement.
>
> There are farmers who are working and blocking their way is understandably
> irritating to them.  If you see vehicles coming your way,  move *before*
> they have to slow down or wait.
>
> If a problem is avoided, future visitors will be welcome.
>
> OTOH, a jerk will ruin it for all who arrive later.  And you will be told
> the roads are private or closed off. In the recent past people were running
> across farm fields to get photos.  If only telephoto lenses existed...
>
> In western states, trespassing would get you shot first.  An effective
> deterrent.
>
> So let's all enjoy the birds AND behave like civilized adults.
>
> Arie Gilbert.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Trachlar 
> Date: 1/19/21 12:53 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Isaac Weiss 
> Cc: Adrian Burke , "Groups.io" <
> mearnsbirdclub+subscribe+2610529275472644968+3754...@groups.io>,
> NYSBIRDS-L 
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.
>
> I realize at least from what I have read (e.g. with a homeowner on the
> road w the “Camel Farm” (Rte 62) and Mission Land Road) that there have
> been issues between property owners in the black dirt region and birders.
> Obviously owners have a right in this Country to keep folks off their
> property (the means used is another issue). Cedar Swamp Road seems to run
> about 2.7 miles, may I ask what makes the road itself a “private” road?
>
> L. Trachtenberg
> Ossining
>
> “The white man made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they
> only kept but one, they promised to take our land, and they took it.”
>
> Red Cloud
> Oglala Lakota
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Isaac Weiss  wrote:
>
> 
> Thank Adrian for the constant updates.
> I just met one of the owners of the properties around here and he asked
> not to drive on cedar swamp Rd. He said it is a private road.
> Celery is a public Rd.
>
> Thank you all
> Ari
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 11:49 AM Adrian Burke  wrote:
>
>> FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and
>> Maloney Ln
>>
>> El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke <
>> aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:
>>
>>> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed)
>>> but I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a
>>> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432,
>>> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on
>>> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope

Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[lindsey duval]

A similar thing occurred yesterday with Celery, which I am pretty sure that
long, birdy road is public. While I was on it I saw nobody behind
disrespectful such as blocking the road or stopping in front of the few
houses, yet I drove by a homeowner down the road away from his property
screaming at a woman birder to keep moving. She was way down the road in
front of a field. He ended up calling the cops, who I came across and were
understandable that we were just trying to enjoy the birds and seemed
annoyed at the homeowner, who apparently had told him that "everybody" was
stopping right in front of his house, which wasn't even interesting
bird-wise.

There needs to be a medium or you'll find yourselves with nowhere to bird
in that region if so many homeowners are trying to get multiple roads
closed to birders in just a few days by claiming they are private or
bothered, simply because they never want to see a vehicle anywhere, and
birders are supposed to just accept homeowners not understanding how
public/private property laws work.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 1:47 PM Dawn Hannay  wrote:

> According to GPS maps, the road everyone was on is Cedar Swamp Road.
> Nobody was running into farm fields, blocking farm vehicles or the like.
> Everyone was respectful and polite. The landowner in question indicated
> that the entire road is private and asked everyone to leave, which we did.
> I think the question is whether Cedar Swamp Road itself is a public or
> private road. There is no signage indicating it is private, so if it is,
> birders need to know.
> Dawn Hannay
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 19, 2021, at 1:36 PM, ArieGilbert 
> wrote:
>
> 
> A problem not unique to this area is birders blocking or impeding traffic,
> trespassing onto property like a farm field, irrespective of signage ( if
> in doubt, *don't* ) blocking driveways,  and being less than nice to the
> residents when they inquire about your presence or intentions. If you
> interact with locals be polite and share your excitement.
>
> There are farmers who are working and blocking their way is understandably
> irritating to them.  If you see vehicles coming your way,  move *before*
> they have to slow down or wait.
>
> If a problem is avoided, future visitors will be welcome.
>
> OTOH, a jerk will ruin it for all who arrive later.  And you will be told
> the roads are private or closed off. In the recent past people were running
> across farm fields to get photos.  If only telephoto lenses existed...
>
> In western states, trespassing would get you shot first.  An effective
> deterrent.
>
> So let's all enjoy the birds AND behave like civilized adults.
>
> Arie Gilbert.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Trachlar 
> Date: 1/19/21 12:53 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Isaac Weiss 
> Cc: Adrian Burke , "Groups.io" <
> mearnsbirdclub+subscribe+2610529275472644968+3754...@groups.io>,
> NYSBIRDS-L 
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.
>
> I realize at least from what I have read (e.g. with a homeowner on the
> road w the “Camel Farm” (Rte 62) and Mission Land Road) that there have
> been issues between property owners in the black dirt region and birders.
> Obviously owners have a right in this Country to keep folks off their
> property (the means used is another issue). Cedar Swamp Road seems to run
> about 2.7 miles, may I ask what makes the road itself a “private” road?
>
> L. Trachtenberg
> Ossining
>
> “The white man made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they
> only kept but one, they promised to take our land, and they took it.”
>
> Red Cloud
> Oglala Lakota
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Isaac Weiss  wrote:
>
> 
> Thank Adrian for the constant updates.
> I just met one of the owners of the properties around here and he asked
> not to drive on cedar swamp Rd. He said it is a private road.
> Celery is a public Rd.
>
> Thank you all
> Ari
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 11:49 AM Adrian Burke  wrote:
>
>> FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and
>> Maloney Ln
>>
>> El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke <
>> aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:
>>
>>> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed)
>>> but I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a
>>> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432,
>>> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on
>>> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope

Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Dawn Hannay]

According to GPS maps, the road everyone was on is Cedar Swamp Road. Nobody was 
running into farm fields, blocking farm vehicles or the like. Everyone was 
respectful and polite. The landowner in question indicated that the entire road 
is private and asked everyone to leave, which we did.  I think the question is 
whether Cedar Swamp Road itself is a public or private road. There is no 
signage indicating it is private, so if it is, birders need to know. 
Dawn Hannay

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 1:36 PM, ArieGilbert  wrote:
> 
> 
> A problem not unique to this area is birders blocking or impeding traffic, 
> trespassing onto property like a farm field, irrespective of signage ( if in 
> doubt, *don't* ) blocking driveways,  and being less than nice to the 
> residents when they inquire about your presence or intentions. If you 
> interact with locals be polite and share your excitement.
> 
> There are farmers who are working and blocking their way is understandably 
> irritating to them.  If you see vehicles coming your way,  move *before* they 
> have to slow down or wait. 
> 
> If a problem is avoided, future visitors will be welcome.
> 
> OTOH, a jerk will ruin it for all who arrive later.  And you will be told the 
> roads are private or closed off. In the recent past people were running 
> across farm fields to get photos.  If only telephoto lenses existed...
> 
> In western states, trespassing would get you shot first.  An effective 
> deterrent. 
> 
> So let's all enjoy the birds AND behave like civilized adults. 
> 
> Arie Gilbert. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Trachlar 
> Date: 1/19/21 12:53 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Isaac Weiss 
> Cc: Adrian Burke , "Groups.io" 
> , NYSBIRDS-L 
> 
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.
> 
> I realize at least from what I have read (e.g. with a homeowner on the road w 
> the “Camel Farm” (Rte 62) and Mission Land Road) that there have been issues 
> between property owners in the black dirt region and birders. Obviously 
> owners have a right in this Country to keep folks off their property (the 
> means used is another issue). Cedar Swamp Road seems to run about 2.7 miles, 
> may I ask what makes the road itself a “private” road?  
> 
> L. Trachtenberg 
> Ossining
> 
> “The white man made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they only 
> kept but one, they promised to take our land, and they took it.”
> 
> Red Cloud
> Oglala Lakota
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Isaac Weiss  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thank Adrian for the constant updates.
>> I just met one of the owners of the properties around here and he asked not 
>> to drive on cedar swamp Rd. He said it is a private road.
>> Celery is a public Rd.
>> 
>> Thank you all
>> Ari 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 11:49 AM Adrian Burke  wrote:
>>> FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and Maloney 
>>> Ln
>>> 
>>> El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke 
>>>  escribió:
>>>> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed) but 
>>>> I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a 
>>>> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432, 
>>>> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on 
>>>> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope 
>>>> shots. 
>>>> 
>>>> Will keep updated. 
>>>> 
>>>> Adrian Burke
>>>> NYC
>>> 
>>> --
>>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> Welcome and Basics
>>> Rules and Information
>>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
>>> Archives:
>>> The Mail Archive
>>> Surfbirds
>>> ABA
>>> Please submit your observations to eBird!
>>> --
>> 
>> --
>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>> Welcome and Basics
>> Rules and Information
>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
>> Archives:
>> The Mail Archive
>> Surfbirds
>> ABA
>> Please submit your observations to eBird!
>> --
> 
> --
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> Welcome and Basics
> Rules and Information
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
> Archives:
> The Mail Archive
> Surfbirds
> ABA
> Please submit your observations to eBird!
> --
> --
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> Welcome and Basics
> Rules and Information
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
> Archives:
> The Mail Archive
> Surfbirds
> ABA
> Please submit your observations to eBird!
> --

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Dawn Hannay]

According to GPS maps, the road everyone was on is Cedar Swamp Road. Nobody was 
running into farm fields, blocking farm vehicles or the like. Everyone was 
respectful and polite. The landowner in question indicated that the entire road 
is private and asked everyone to leave, which we did.  I think the question is 
whether Cedar Swamp Road itself is a public or private road. There is no 
signage indicating it is private, so if it is, birders need to know. 
Dawn Hannay

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 1:36 PM, ArieGilbert  wrote:
> 
> 
> A problem not unique to this area is birders blocking or impeding traffic, 
> trespassing onto property like a farm field, irrespective of signage ( if in 
> doubt, *don't* ) blocking driveways,  and being less than nice to the 
> residents when they inquire about your presence or intentions. If you 
> interact with locals be polite and share your excitement.
> 
> There are farmers who are working and blocking their way is understandably 
> irritating to them.  If you see vehicles coming your way,  move *before* they 
> have to slow down or wait. 
> 
> If a problem is avoided, future visitors will be welcome.
> 
> OTOH, a jerk will ruin it for all who arrive later.  And you will be told the 
> roads are private or closed off. In the recent past people were running 
> across farm fields to get photos.  If only telephoto lenses existed...
> 
> In western states, trespassing would get you shot first.  An effective 
> deterrent. 
> 
> So let's all enjoy the birds AND behave like civilized adults. 
> 
> Arie Gilbert. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Trachlar 
> Date: 1/19/21 12:53 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Isaac Weiss 
> Cc: Adrian Burke , "Groups.io" 
> , NYSBIRDS-L 
> 
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.
> 
> I realize at least from what I have read (e.g. with a homeowner on the road w 
> the “Camel Farm” (Rte 62) and Mission Land Road) that there have been issues 
> between property owners in the black dirt region and birders. Obviously 
> owners have a right in this Country to keep folks off their property (the 
> means used is another issue). Cedar Swamp Road seems to run about 2.7 miles, 
> may I ask what makes the road itself a “private” road?  
> 
> L. Trachtenberg 
> Ossining
> 
> “The white man made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they only 
> kept but one, they promised to take our land, and they took it.”
> 
> Red Cloud
> Oglala Lakota
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Isaac Weiss  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thank Adrian for the constant updates.
>> I just met one of the owners of the properties around here and he asked not 
>> to drive on cedar swamp Rd. He said it is a private road.
>> Celery is a public Rd.
>> 
>> Thank you all
>> Ari 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 11:49 AM Adrian Burke  wrote:
>>> FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and Maloney 
>>> Ln
>>> 
>>> El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke 
>>>  escribió:
>>>> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed) but 
>>>> I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a 
>>>> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432, 
>>>> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on 
>>>> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope 
>>>> shots. 
>>>> 
>>>> Will keep updated. 
>>>> 
>>>> Adrian Burke
>>>> NYC
>>> 
>>> --
>>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> Welcome and Basics
>>> Rules and Information
>>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
>>> Archives:
>>> The Mail Archive
>>> Surfbirds
>>> ABA
>>> Please submit your observations to eBird!
>>> --
>> 
>> --
>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>> Welcome and Basics
>> Rules and Information
>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
>> Archives:
>> The Mail Archive
>> Surfbirds
>> ABA
>> Please submit your observations to eBird!
>> --
> 
> --
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> Welcome and Basics
> Rules and Information
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
> Archives:
> The Mail Archive
> Surfbirds
> ABA
> Please submit your observations to eBird!
> --
> --
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> Welcome and Basics
> Rules and Information
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
> Archives:
> The Mail Archive
> Surfbirds
> ABA
> Please submit your observations to eBird!
> --

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[ArieGilbert]

A problem not unique to this area is birders blocking or impeding traffic, 
trespassing onto property like a farm field, irrespective of signage ( if in 
doubt, *don't* ) blocking driveways,  and being less than nice to the residents 
when they inquire about your presence or intentions. If you interact with 
locals be polite and share your excitement.There are farmers who are working 
and blocking their way is understandably irritating to them.  If you see 
vehicles coming your way,  move *before* they have to slow down or wait. If a 
problem is avoided, future visitors will be welcome.OTOH, a jerk will ruin it 
for all who arrive later.  And you will be told the roads are private or closed 
off. In the recent past people were running across farm fields to get photos.  
If only telephoto lenses existed...In western states, trespassing would get you 
shot first.  An effective deterrent. So let's all enjoy the birds AND behave 
like civilized adults. Arie Gilbert. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: Trachlar  Date: 
1/19/21  12:53 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Isaac Weiss  Cc: Adrian 
Burke , "Groups.io" 
, NYSBIRDS-L 
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk 
Orange co. I realize at least from what I have read (e.g. with a homeowner on 
the road w the “Camel Farm” (Rte 62) and Mission Land Road) that there have 
been issues between property owners in the black dirt region and birders. 
Obviously owners have a right in this Country to keep folks off their property 
(the means used is another issue). Cedar Swamp Road seems to run about 2.7 
miles, may I ask what makes the road itself a “private” road?  L. Trachtenberg 
Ossining“The white man made us many promises, more than I can remember, but 
they only kept but one, they promised to take our land, and they took it.”Red 
CloudOglala LakotaSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 19, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Isaac Weiss 
 wrote:Thank Adrian for the constant updates.I just met 
one of the owners of the properties around here and he asked not to drive on 
cedar swamp Rd. He said it is a private road.Celery is a public Rd.Thank you 
allAri On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 11:49 AM Adrian Burke  
wrote:FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and 
Maloney LnEl El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke 
 escribió:Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if 
it’s just a Red-tailed) but I have a seemingly good candidate for the 
Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from 
here (41.3635432, -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  
limited white on scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible 
digiscope shots. Will keep updated. Adrian BurkeNYC



--

NYSbirds-L List Info:

Welcome and Basics 

Rules and Information 

Subscribe, Configuration and Leave

Archives:

The Mail Archive

Surfbirds

ABA

Please submit your observations to eBird!

--


--

NYSbirds-L List Info:

Welcome and Basics 

Rules and Information 

Subscribe, Configuration and Leave

Archives:

The Mail Archive

Surfbirds

ABA

Please submit your observations to eBird!

--

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:

Welcome and Basics 

Rules and Information 

Subscribe, Configuration and Leave

Archives:

The Mail Archive

Surfbirds

ABA

Please submit your observations to eBird!

--

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/mai

Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[ArieGilbert]

A problem not unique to this area is birders blocking or impeding traffic, 
trespassing onto property like a farm field, irrespective of signage ( if in 
doubt, *don't* ) blocking driveways,  and being less than nice to the residents 
when they inquire about your presence or intentions. If you interact with 
locals be polite and share your excitement.There are farmers who are working 
and blocking their way is understandably irritating to them.  If you see 
vehicles coming your way,  move *before* they have to slow down or wait. If a 
problem is avoided, future visitors will be welcome.OTOH, a jerk will ruin it 
for all who arrive later.  And you will be told the roads are private or closed 
off. In the recent past people were running across farm fields to get photos.  
If only telephoto lenses existed...In western states, trespassing would get you 
shot first.  An effective deterrent. So let's all enjoy the birds AND behave 
like civilized adults. Arie Gilbert. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
 Original message From: Trachlar  Date: 
1/19/21  12:53 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Isaac Weiss  Cc: Adrian 
Burke , "Groups.io" 
, NYSBIRDS-L 
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk 
Orange co. I realize at least from what I have read (e.g. with a homeowner on 
the road w the “Camel Farm” (Rte 62) and Mission Land Road) that there have 
been issues between property owners in the black dirt region and birders. 
Obviously owners have a right in this Country to keep folks off their property 
(the means used is another issue). Cedar Swamp Road seems to run about 2.7 
miles, may I ask what makes the road itself a “private” road?  L. Trachtenberg 
Ossining“The white man made us many promises, more than I can remember, but 
they only kept but one, they promised to take our land, and they took it.”Red 
CloudOglala LakotaSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 19, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Isaac Weiss 
 wrote:Thank Adrian for the constant updates.I just met 
one of the owners of the properties around here and he asked not to drive on 
cedar swamp Rd. He said it is a private road.Celery is a public Rd.Thank you 
allAri On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 11:49 AM Adrian Burke  
wrote:FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and 
Maloney LnEl El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke 
 escribió:Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if 
it’s just a Red-tailed) but I have a seemingly good candidate for the 
Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from 
here (41.3635432, -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  
limited white on scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible 
digiscope shots. Will keep updated. Adrian BurkeNYC



--

NYSbirds-L List Info:

Welcome and Basics 

Rules and Information 

Subscribe, Configuration and Leave

Archives:

The Mail Archive

Surfbirds

ABA

Please submit your observations to eBird!

--


--

NYSbirds-L List Info:

Welcome and Basics 

Rules and Information 

Subscribe, Configuration and Leave

Archives:

The Mail Archive

Surfbirds

ABA

Please submit your observations to eBird!

--

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:

Welcome and Basics 

Rules and Information 

Subscribe, Configuration and Leave

Archives:

The Mail Archive

Surfbirds

ABA

Please submit your observations to eBird!

--

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/mai

Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Trachlar]

I realize at least from what I have read (e.g. with a homeowner on the road w 
the “Camel Farm” (Rte 62) and Mission Land Road) that there have been issues 
between property owners in the black dirt region and birders. Obviously owners 
have a right in this Country to keep folks off their property (the means used 
is another issue). Cedar Swamp Road seems to run about 2.7 miles, may I ask 
what makes the road itself a “private” road?  

L. Trachtenberg 
Ossining

“The white man made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they only 
kept but one, they promised to take our land, and they took it.”

Red Cloud
Oglala Lakota

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Isaac Weiss  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank Adrian for the constant updates.
> I just met one of the owners of the properties around here and he asked not 
> to drive on cedar swamp Rd. He said it is a private road.
> Celery is a public Rd.
> 
> Thank you all
> Ari 
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 11:49 AM Adrian Burke  wrote:
>> FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and Maloney 
>> Ln
>> 
>> El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke 
>>  escribió:
>>> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed) but 
>>> I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a 
>>> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432, 
>>> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on 
>>> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope 
>>> shots. 
>>> 
>>> Will keep updated. 
>>> 
>>> Adrian Burke
>>> NYC
>> 
>> --
>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>> Welcome and Basics
>> Rules and Information
>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
>> Archives:
>> The Mail Archive
>> Surfbirds
>> ABA
>> Please submit your observations to eBird!
>> --
> 
> --
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> Welcome and Basics
> Rules and Information
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
> Archives:
> The Mail Archive
> Surfbirds
> ABA
> Please submit your observations to eBird!
> --

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Trachlar]

I realize at least from what I have read (e.g. with a homeowner on the road w 
the “Camel Farm” (Rte 62) and Mission Land Road) that there have been issues 
between property owners in the black dirt region and birders. Obviously owners 
have a right in this Country to keep folks off their property (the means used 
is another issue). Cedar Swamp Road seems to run about 2.7 miles, may I ask 
what makes the road itself a “private” road?  

L. Trachtenberg 
Ossining

“The white man made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they only 
kept but one, they promised to take our land, and they took it.”

Red Cloud
Oglala Lakota

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Isaac Weiss  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank Adrian for the constant updates.
> I just met one of the owners of the properties around here and he asked not 
> to drive on cedar swamp Rd. He said it is a private road.
> Celery is a public Rd.
> 
> Thank you all
> Ari 
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 11:49 AM Adrian Burke  wrote:
>> FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and Maloney 
>> Ln
>> 
>> El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke 
>>  escribió:
>>> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed) but 
>>> I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a 
>>> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432, 
>>> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on 
>>> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope 
>>> shots. 
>>> 
>>> Will keep updated. 
>>> 
>>> Adrian Burke
>>> NYC
>> 
>> --
>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>> Welcome and Basics
>> Rules and Information
>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
>> Archives:
>> The Mail Archive
>> Surfbirds
>> ABA
>> Please submit your observations to eBird!
>> --
> 
> --
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> Welcome and Basics
> Rules and Information
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
> Archives:
> The Mail Archive
> Surfbirds
> ABA
> Please submit your observations to eBird!
> --

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re:[nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Adrian Burke]

Now back to field here (41.3594553, -74.3949254) seen from Celery Swamp Rd.
Leaving now since it is private, thanks Ari for the update on that.

Adrian

El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 11:48 a. m., Adrian Burke <
aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:

> FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and
> Maloney Ln
>
> El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke <
> aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed)
>> but I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a
>> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432,
>> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on
>> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope
>> shots.
>>
>> Will keep updated.
>>
>> Adrian Burke
>> NYC
>>
>

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re:[nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Adrian Burke]

Now back to field here (41.3594553, -74.3949254) seen from Celery Swamp Rd.
Leaving now since it is private, thanks Ari for the update on that.

Adrian

El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 11:48 a. m., Adrian Burke <
aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:

> FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and
> Maloney Ln
>
> El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke <
> aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed)
>> but I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a
>> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432,
>> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on
>> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope
>> shots.
>>
>> Will keep updated.
>>
>> Adrian Burke
>> NYC
>>
>

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Isaac Weiss]

Thank Adrian for the constant updates.
I just met one of the owners of the properties around here and he asked not
to drive on cedar swamp Rd. He said it is a private road.
Celery is a public Rd.

Thank you all
Ari

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 11:49 AM Adrian Burke  wrote:

> FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and
> Maloney Ln
>
> El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke <
> aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed)
>> but I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a
>> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432,
>> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on
>> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope
>> shots.
>>
>> Will keep updated.
>>
>> Adrian Burke
>> NYC
>>
> --
> *NYSbirds-L List Info:*
> Welcome and Basics 
> Rules and Information 
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
> 
> *Archives:*
> The Mail Archive
> 
> Surfbirds 
> ABA 
> *Please submit your observations to **eBird*
> *!*
> --
>

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re: [nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Isaac Weiss]

Thank Adrian for the constant updates.
I just met one of the owners of the properties around here and he asked not
to drive on cedar swamp Rd. He said it is a private road.
Celery is a public Rd.

Thank you all
Ari

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 11:49 AM Adrian Burke  wrote:

> FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and
> Maloney Ln
>
> El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke <
> aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed)
>> but I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a
>> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432,
>> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on
>> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope
>> shots.
>>
>> Will keep updated.
>>
>> Adrian Burke
>> NYC
>>
> --
> *NYSbirds-L List Info:*
> Welcome and Basics 
> Rules and Information 
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
> 
> *Archives:*
> The Mail Archive
> 
> Surfbirds 
> ABA 
> *Please submit your observations to **eBird*
> *!*
> --
>

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re:[nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Adrian Burke]

FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and Maloney
Ln

El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke <
aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:

> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed) but
> I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a
> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432,
> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on
> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope
> shots.
>
> Will keep updated.
>
> Adrian Burke
> NYC
>

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re:[nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Adrian Burke]

FEHA has flown to tree alongside Pulaski Hwy btwn Pumpkin Swamp and Maloney
Ln

El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke <
aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:

> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed) but
> I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a
> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432,
> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on
> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope
> shots.
>
> Will keep updated.
>
> Adrian Burke
> NYC
>

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re:[nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Adrian Burke]

Sorry, phone died earlier. Ferruginous Hawk still in view sitting in field
at previous coordinates. Turn onto Cedar Swamp Road from Maple Ave then
take the left fork (dirt road) along the field towards the end.

Adrian Burke
NYC

El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:47 a. m., Adrian Burke <
aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:

> from Maple turn onto Cedar Swamp rd and make a left on dirt rd down to its
> end
>
> El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:27 a. m., Adrian Burke <
> aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Make that definite. Just flew a couple feet showing pale tail base and
>> pale wing panels.
>>
>> El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke <
>> aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:
>>
>>> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed)
>>> but I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a
>>> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432,
>>> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on
>>> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope
>>> shots.
>>>
>>> Will keep updated.
>>>
>>> Adrian Burke
>>> NYC
>>>
>>

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re:[nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Adrian Burke]

Sorry, phone died earlier. Ferruginous Hawk still in view sitting in field
at previous coordinates. Turn onto Cedar Swamp Road from Maple Ave then
take the left fork (dirt road) along the field towards the end.

Adrian Burke
NYC

El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:47 a. m., Adrian Burke <
aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:

> from Maple turn onto Cedar Swamp rd and make a left on dirt rd down to its
> end
>
> El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:27 a. m., Adrian Burke <
> aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Make that definite. Just flew a couple feet showing pale tail base and
>> pale wing panels.
>>
>> El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke <
>> aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:
>>
>>> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed)
>>> but I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a
>>> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432,
>>> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on
>>> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope
>>> shots.
>>>
>>> Will keep updated.
>>>
>>> Adrian Burke
>>> NYC
>>>
>>

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re:[nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Adrian Burke]

from Maple turn onto Cedar Swamp rd and make a left on dirt rd down to its
end

El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:27 a. m., Adrian Burke <
aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:

> Make that definite. Just flew a couple feet showing pale tail base and
> pale wing panels.
>
> El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke <
> aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed)
>> but I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a
>> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432,
>> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on
>> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope
>> shots.
>>
>> Will keep updated.
>>
>> Adrian Burke
>> NYC
>>
>

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re:[nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Adrian Burke]

from Maple turn onto Cedar Swamp rd and make a left on dirt rd down to its
end

El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:27 a. m., Adrian Burke <
aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:

> Make that definite. Just flew a couple feet showing pale tail base and
> pale wing panels.
>
> El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke <
> aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed)
>> but I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a
>> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432,
>> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on
>> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope
>> shots.
>>
>> Will keep updated.
>>
>> Adrian Burke
>> NYC
>>
>

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re:[nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Adrian Burke]

Make that definite. Just flew a couple feet showing pale tail base and pale
wing panels.

El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke <
aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:

> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed) but
> I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a
> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432,
> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on
> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope
> shots.
>
> Will keep updated.
>
> Adrian Burke
> NYC
>

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re:[nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Adrian Burke]

Make that definite. Just flew a couple feet showing pale tail base and pale
wing panels.

El El mar, ene. 19, 2021 a la(s) 9:25 a. m., Adrian Burke <
aburke...@gmail.com> escribió:

> Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed) but
> I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a
> field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432,
> -74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on
> scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope
> shots.
>
> Will keep updated.
>
> Adrian Burke
> NYC
>

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

[nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Adrian Burke]

Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed) but
I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a
field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432,
-74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on
scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope
shots.

Will keep updated.

Adrian Burke
NYC

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

[nysbirds-l] Possible Ferruginous Hawk Orange co.

[Adrian Burke]

Not sure as the bird is distant (forgive me if it’s just a Red-tailed) but
I have a seemingly good candidate for the Ferruginous Hawk sitting in a
field here (41.3627576, -74.3899335) seen from here (41.3635432,
-74.3887804). Face and base of tail seem rather pale,  limited white on
scapulars. Can’t see gape, tarsi, or belly. Have some terrible digiscope
shots.

Will keep updated.

Adrian Burke
NYC

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--