RE: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Kumlien's/Thayer's Gull on CP Resevoir Sunday - NO Tuesday

[Anders Peltomaa]

Hi all,
I looked for Anya's Kumlien/Thayer's gull today around noon, but it was not
to be found. The snow we received yesterday has received the loafing area
for gulls and numbers were down. All the birds present on the reservoir
were hanging around a small patch of open water around the fountain.

The only surprise was a Great Blue Heron that visited for a few minutes.

good winter birding,

Anders Peltomaa
Manhattan

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On Feb 4, 2014 12:30 PM, "Steve Walter"  wrote:

> I just did a quick, but pertinent update to my current running feature on
> adult Iceland Gull variation, to add a link to a page I posted a year ago.
> The first three pictures on that page are of an unusually dark immature
> Iceland type gull at Jones Beach – possibly what the Central Park bird
> would look like with better photos.
>
>
>
> http://www.stevewalternature.com/ , link at bottom of Iceland Gull
> article.
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve Walter
>
>
>
> *From:* bounce-112410102-8873...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
> bounce-112410102-8873...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Joe Hauser
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 04, 2014 8:57 AM
> *To:* NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Kumlien's/Thayer's Gull on
> CP Resevoir Sunday
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>   As there seems to be some questions on this birds id I posted it to
> a website I belong to called whatbird.com.  While I am not qualified to
> make any kind of call on this Gull the members there enjoy these kinds of
> discussions and maybe it will help with the id.  The discussion thread can
> be found at.
> http://www.whatbird.com/forum/index.php?/topic/113547-gull-id-from-ny-listserv/
> .
>
> Joe Hauser
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Andrew Baksh 
> wrote:
>
> One of the problems I have had with this bird is the uniform instead of
> two tone contrast look with the outer primaries expected on a Thayer's.  On
> the sleeping photo, although it looks like a bleached looking individual, I
> would have a hard time not calling this bird a Thayer's type
>
>
>
> In flight it gives a different perspective and the primaries seen in
> flight does not show as dark.  However, the photos are over exposed and
> could be causing some issues here with that so I am not sure.
>
>
>
> Kumlien's range makes this a tough one to call based on these photos alone
> even if the plumage and tail band seems odd.  In addition, the variation in
> plumage of Kumlien's makes this even more intriguing and I have seen some
> photos from birds upstate this year that look very much like this one.
>
>
>
> Photos can lie so more documentation is needed on this bird and definitely
> worth tracking down. I hope it is refound and better photos presented for
> discussion.  Good luck CP birders.  Report these birds!!!  Even if it is an
> Iceland Gull, it is post worthy.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2014, at 11:31 PM, Phil Jeffrey  wrote:
>
> Real shame that didn't get reported earlier, given the ambiguous photos,
> since if that is an Iceland Gull it would be one of the darker ones I've
> seen and at first blush it has some pro-Thayer's features.  Would be worth
> tracking that one down again.
>
>
>
> (To see what I mean: Hampton's Thayeri/Kumlieni/Glaucoides scale:
> http://www.tertial.us/gulls/tkg.htm )
>
>
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Andrew Baksh 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> FYI...
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* AA Fawkes 
> *Date:* February 3, 2014 at 10:38:58 PM EST
> *To:* 
> *Subject:* *[nysbirds-l] Kumlien's/Thayer's Gull on CP Resevoir Sunday*
> *Reply-To:* AA Fawkes 
>
> Apologies for posting late. An immature white-winged gull, possibly a
> Thayer's, was on the reservoir Sunday, along with several hundred other
> gulls and a definite Kumlien's. There has been quite a bit of debate on
> various facebook groups, and I would welcome more opinions. I'm going to
> try to re-find the bird tomorrow to get better pictures, as the ones I've
> got are distant and overexposed.
>
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/elwingflight/sets/72157640157804394/
>
>
>
> Anya Auerbach
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RE: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Kumlien's/Thayer's Gull on CP Resevoir Sunday

[Steve Walter]

I just did a quick, but pertinent update to my current running feature on
adult Iceland Gull variation, to add a link to a page I posted a year ago.
The first three pictures on that page are of an unusually dark immature
Iceland type gull at Jones Beach - possibly what the Central Park bird would
look like with better photos.   

 

http://www.stevewalternature.com/ , link at bottom of Iceland Gull article.

 

 

Steve Walter

 

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[mailto:bounce-112410102-8873...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Hauser
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 8:57 AM
To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Kumlien's/Thayer's Gull on CP
Resevoir Sunday

 

Hello,

  As there seems to be some questions on this birds id I posted it to a
website I belong to called whatbird.com.  While I am not qualified to make
any kind of call on this Gull the members there enjoy these kinds of
discussions and maybe it will help with the id.  The discussion thread can
be found at.
http://www.whatbird.com/forum/index.php?/topic/113547-gull-id-from-ny-listse
rv/.

Joe Hauser

 

On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:

One of the problems I have had with this bird is the uniform instead of two
tone contrast look with the outer primaries expected on a Thayer's.  On the
sleeping photo, although it looks like a bleached looking individual, I
would have a hard time not calling this bird a Thayer's type

 

In flight it gives a different perspective and the primaries seen in flight
does not show as dark.  However, the photos are over exposed and could be
causing some issues here with that so I am not sure.

 

Kumlien's range makes this a tough one to call based on these photos alone
even if the plumage and tail band seems odd.  In addition, the variation in
plumage of Kumlien's makes this even more intriguing and I have seen some
photos from birds upstate this year that look very much like this one.

 

Photos can lie so more documentation is needed on this bird and definitely
worth tracking down. I hope it is refound and better photos presented for
discussion.  Good luck CP birders.  Report these birds!!!  Even if it is an
Iceland Gull, it is post worthy.

Cheers!

 

 


On Feb 3, 2014, at 11:31 PM, Phil Jeffrey  wrote:

Real shame that didn't get reported earlier, given the ambiguous photos,
since if that is an Iceland Gull it would be one of the darker ones I've
seen and at first blush it has some pro-Thayer's features.  Would be worth
tracking that one down again.

 

(To see what I mean: Hampton's Thayeri/Kumlieni/Glaucoides scale:
http://www.tertial.us/gulls/tkg.htm )

 

Phil

 

 

On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:

  

FYI...


Begin forwarded message:

From: AA Fawkes 
Date: February 3, 2014 at 10:38:58 PM EST
To: 
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Kumlien's/Thayer's Gull on CP Resevoir Sunday
Reply-To: AA Fawkes 

Apologies for posting late. An immature white-winged gull, possibly a
Thayer's, was on the reservoir Sunday, along with several hundred other
gulls and a definite Kumlien's. There has been quite a bit of debate on
various facebook groups, and I would welcome more opinions. I'm going to try
to re-find the bird tomorrow to get better pictures, as the ones I've got
are distant and overexposed.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/elwingflight/sets/72157640157804394/

 

Anya Auerbach

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Re: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Kumlien's/Thayer's Gull on CP Resevoir Sunday

[Joe Hauser]

Hello,
  As there seems to be some questions on this birds id I posted it to a
website I belong to called whatbird.com.  While I am not qualified to make
any kind of call on this Gull the members there enjoy these kinds of
discussions and maybe it will help with the id.  The discussion thread can
be found at.
http://www.whatbird.com/forum/index.php?/topic/113547-gull-id-from-ny-listserv/
.

Joe Hauser


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:

> One of the problems I have had with this bird is the uniform instead of
> two tone contrast look with the outer primaries expected on a Thayer's.  On
> the sleeping photo, although it looks like a bleached looking individual, I
> would have a hard time not calling this bird a Thayer's type
>
> In flight it gives a different perspective and the primaries seen in
> flight does not show as dark.  However, the photos are over exposed and
> could be causing some issues here with that so I am not sure.
>
> Kumlien's range makes this a tough one to call based on these photos alone
> even if the plumage and tail band seems odd.  In addition, the variation in
> plumage of Kumlien's makes this even more intriguing and I have seen some
> photos from birds upstate this year that look very much like this one.
>
> Photos can lie so more documentation is needed on this bird and definitely
> worth tracking down. I hope it is refound and better photos presented for
> discussion.  Good luck CP birders.  Report these birds!!!  Even if it is an
> Iceland Gull, it is post worthy.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2014, at 11:31 PM, Phil Jeffrey  wrote:
>
> Real shame that didn't get reported earlier, given the ambiguous photos,
> since if that is an Iceland Gull it would be one of the darker ones I've
> seen and at first blush it has some pro-Thayer's features.  Would be worth
> tracking that one down again.
>
> (To see what I mean: Hampton's Thayeri/Kumlieni/Glaucoides scale:
> http://www.tertial.us/gulls/tkg.htm )
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Andrew Baksh wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> FYI...
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* AA Fawkes 
>> *Date:* February 3, 2014 at 10:38:58 PM EST
>> *To:* 
>> *Subject:* *[nysbirds-l] Kumlien's/Thayer's Gull on CP Resevoir Sunday*
>> *Reply-To:* AA Fawkes 
>>
>> Apologies for posting late. An immature white-winged gull, possibly a
>> Thayer's, was on the reservoir Sunday, along with several hundred other
>> gulls and a definite Kumlien's. There has been quite a bit of debate on
>> various facebook groups, and I would welcome more opinions. I'm going to
>> try to re-find the bird tomorrow to get better pictures, as the ones I've
>> got are distant and overexposed.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/elwingflight/sets/72157640157804394/
>>
>> Anya Auerbach
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Re: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Kumlien's/Thayer's Gull on CP Resevoir Sunday

[Andrew Baksh]

One of the problems I have had with this bird is the uniform instead of two 
tone contrast look with the outer primaries expected on a Thayer's.  On the 
sleeping photo, although it looks like a bleached looking individual, I would 
have a hard time not calling this bird a Thayer's type

In flight it gives a different perspective and the primaries seen in flight 
does not show as dark.  However, the photos are over exposed and could be 
causing some issues here with that so I am not sure.

Kumlien's range makes this a tough one to call based on these photos alone even 
if the plumage and tail band seems odd.  In addition, the variation in plumage 
of Kumlien's makes this even more intriguing and I have seen some photos from 
birds upstate this year that look very much like this one.

Photos can lie so more documentation is needed on this bird and definitely 
worth tracking down. I hope it is refound and better photos presented for 
discussion.  Good luck CP birders.  Report these birds!!!  Even if it is an 
Iceland Gull, it is post worthy.

Cheers!



> On Feb 3, 2014, at 11:31 PM, Phil Jeffrey  wrote:
> 
> Real shame that didn't get reported earlier, given the ambiguous photos, 
> since if that is an Iceland Gull it would be one of the darker ones I've seen 
> and at first blush it has some pro-Thayer's features.  Would be worth 
> tracking that one down again.
> 
> (To see what I mean: Hampton's Thayeri/Kumlieni/Glaucoides scale: 
> http://www.tertial.us/gulls/tkg.htm )
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Andrew Baksh  wrote:
>>  
>> FYI...
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: AA Fawkes 
>>> Date: February 3, 2014 at 10:38:58 PM EST
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Kumlien's/Thayer's Gull on CP Resevoir Sunday
>>> Reply-To: AA Fawkes 
>>> 
>>> Apologies for posting late. An immature white-winged gull, possibly a 
>>> Thayer's, was on the reservoir Sunday, along with several hundred other 
>>> gulls and a definite Kumlien's. There has been quite a bit of debate on 
>>> various facebook groups, and I would welcome more opinions. I'm going to 
>>> try to re-find the bird tomorrow to get better pictures, as the ones I've 
>>> got are distant and overexposed.
>>> 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/elwingflight/sets/72157640157804394/
>>> 
>>> Anya Auerbach
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Kumlien's/Thayer's Gull on CP Resevoir Sunday

[Hugh McGuinness]

Anya,

I agree that this is a good candidate for Thayer's b/c of the strong
crescents on the primary tips, the strong tail band and the overall color.
I would love to be able to see the bill, head shape and size in comparison
to Herring Gull to be sure.

Hugh


On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 10:38 PM, AA Fawkes  wrote:

> Apologies for posting late. An immature white-winged gull, possibly a
> Thayer's, was on the reservoir Sunday, along with several hundred other
> gulls and a definite Kumlien's. There has been quite a bit of debate on
> various facebook groups, and I would welcome more opinions. I'm going to
> try to re-find the bird tomorrow to get better pictures, as the ones I've
> got are distant and overexposed.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/elwingflight/sets/72157640157804394/
>
> Anya Auerbach
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Re: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Kumlien's/Thayer's Gull on CP Resevoir Sunday

[Andrew Baksh]

One of the problems I have had with this bird is the uniform instead of two 
tone contrast look with the outer primaries expected on a Thayer's.  On the 
sleeping photo, although it looks like a bleached looking individual, I would 
have a hard time not calling this bird a Thayer's type

In flight it gives a different perspective and the primaries seen in flight 
does not show as dark.  However, the photos are over exposed and could be 
causing some issues here with that so I am not sure.

Kumlien's range makes this a tough one to call based on these photos alone even 
if the plumage and tail band seems odd.  In addition, the variation in plumage 
of Kumlien's makes this even more intriguing and I have seen some photos from 
birds upstate this year that look very much like this one.

Photos can lie so more documentation is needed on this bird and definitely 
worth tracking down. I hope it is refound and better photos presented for 
discussion.  Good luck CP birders.  Report these birds!!!  Even if it is an 
Iceland Gull, it is post worthy.

Cheers!



 On Feb 3, 2014, at 11:31 PM, Phil Jeffrey phil.jeff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Real shame that didn't get reported earlier, given the ambiguous photos, 
 since if that is an Iceland Gull it would be one of the darker ones I've seen 
 and at first blush it has some pro-Thayer's features.  Would be worth 
 tracking that one down again.
 
 (To see what I mean: Hampton's Thayeri/Kumlieni/Glaucoides scale: 
 http://www.tertial.us/gulls/tkg.htm )
 
 Phil
 
 
 
 On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com wrote:
  
 FYI...
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: AA Fawkes aafaw...@gmail.com
 Date: February 3, 2014 at 10:38:58 PM EST
 To: NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu
 Subject: [nysbirds-l] Kumlien's/Thayer's Gull on CP Resevoir Sunday
 Reply-To: AA Fawkes aafaw...@gmail.com
 
 Apologies for posting late. An immature white-winged gull, possibly a 
 Thayer's, was on the reservoir Sunday, along with several hundred other 
 gulls and a definite Kumlien's. There has been quite a bit of debate on 
 various facebook groups, and I would welcome more opinions. I'm going to 
 try to re-find the bird tomorrow to get better pictures, as the ones I've 
 got are distant and overexposed.
 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/elwingflight/sets/72157640157804394/
 
 Anya Auerbach
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[nysbirds-l] Kumlien's/Thayer's Gull on CP Resevoir Sunday

[AA Fawkes]

Apologies for posting late. An immature white-winged gull, possibly a
Thayer's, was on the reservoir Sunday, along with several hundred other
gulls and a definite Kumlien's. There has been quite a bit of debate on
various facebook groups, and I would welcome more opinions. I'm going to
try to re-find the bird tomorrow to get better pictures, as the ones I've
got are distant and overexposed.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/elwingflight/sets/72157640157804394/

Anya Auerbach

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[nysbirds-l] Kumlien's/Thayer's Gull on CP Resevoir Sunday

[AA Fawkes]

Apologies for posting late. An immature white-winged gull, possibly a
Thayer's, was on the reservoir Sunday, along with several hundred other
gulls and a definite Kumlien's. There has been quite a bit of debate on
various facebook groups, and I would welcome more opinions. I'm going to
try to re-find the bird tomorrow to get better pictures, as the ones I've
got are distant and overexposed.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/elwingflight/sets/72157640157804394/

Anya Auerbach

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