[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-07: (with COMMENT)

2017-03-13 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-07: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-03-07 Thread Stephen Farrell
in the text. This is such a case - so thanks. > > I'll add this information, which is necessary to understand the > intent, and then republish. Ah good, that explains the disconnect. Cheers, S. > > -- Mike > > -Original Message- From: Stephen Farrell > [mailto:stephen.farr...@cs

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-03-06 Thread Stephen Farrell
s more finely than would be used > in practice actually hurts interop, rather than helping it, because > it would force all RPs to recognize that several or many different > values actually mean the same thing to them. > > > > -- Mike > > > > -Original Me

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-03-06 Thread Stephen Farrell
se type-names, but the point of RFCs is not to "bless" such things, but to achieve interop.) " Cheers, S. > > Thanks, -- Mike > > -Original Message- From: Mike Jones > [mailto:michael.jo...@microsoft.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 > 6:17 PM To: Stephen Far

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-jwsreq-12: (with COMMENT)

2017-02-15 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-jwsreq-12: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
could be wrong. If they do, then one runs into the problem of having to depend on magic numbers in the encodings or similar to distinguish which is really error prone and likely to lead to what our learned transport chums are calling ossification;-) Cheers, S. > > Best wishes, -- Mike >

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
ject: RE: > [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on > draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS) > > We have interoped between FIDO authenticators vendors and Windows > Hello > > -Original Message- From: Stephen Farrell > [mailto:stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie] Sent: W

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
epoint. If there's not, I don't see why adding a codepoint is useful. (Esp. if we're at the stage of testing "various iris devices" that I would guess do not get us interop.) Am I missing something? Cheers, S. > > -Original Message- From: Stephen Farrell > [m

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
fied, since the > reference will be to the new RFC. I think that aligns with the point > that Joel was making. > > Your thoughts? > > -- Mike > > -Original Message- From: OAuth > [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Farrell Sent: > Wednesday, Febr

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-02-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 01/02/17 14:58, joel jaeggli wrote: > On 1/31/17 8:26 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: Discuss >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: (with DISCUSS)

2017-01-31 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-amr-values-05: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Yes on charter-ietf-oauth-04-00: (with COMMENT)

2016-01-19 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-oauth-04-00: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-proof-of-possession-10: (with COMMENT)

2015-12-17 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-proof-of-possession-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-28: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-05-05 Thread Stephen Farrell
for your thoughtful review! — Justin On Apr 24, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote: On 24/04/15 22:27, Justin Richer wrote: Stephen, I’ve worked on this this afternoon and this is my proposed text: The response to such a situation is out

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-28: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-04-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 24/04/15 13:28, Justin Richer wrote: It can get as bad as the web, which is pretty bad, but I hope we don't have to point that out in great detail in every RFC that deals with the web. :) I think the drive-by-download malware example is a good one, and we could add another concrete one

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-28: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-04-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
So this is to follow up on my discuss point#2, which said: (2) If the response (defined in 3.2.1) includes metadata that the server has altered, but that the client doesn't like, then what does the client do? (It may be that that's ok, but I'm not following why that is the case.) I'm also not

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-28: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-04-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
, Stephen Farrell wrote: So this is to follow up on my discuss point#2, which said: (2) If the response (defined in 3.2.1) includes metadata that the server has altered, but that the client doesn't like, then what does the client do? (It may be that that's ok, but I'm not following why

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-28: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-04-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 24/04/15 13:30, Justin Richer wrote: OK, so are you asking for something like: If the server supports an update mechanism such as [Dyn-Reg-Management] and a discovery mechanism such as [OIDC-Discovery], then a smart client could use these components to renegotiate undesirable

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-dyn-reg-28: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-04-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
, Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote: On 24/04/15 13:30, Justin Richer wrote: OK, so are you asking for something like: If the server supports an update mechanism such as [Dyn-Reg-Management] and a discovery mechanism such as [OIDC-Discovery], then a smart client could use

[OAUTH-WG] Fwd: [Unbearable] one proposal for a charter - please dicsuss

2014-12-08 Thread Stephen Farrell
: Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie To: unbeara...@ietf.org Hi all, There's about 70+ people on the list now so let's kick off. Andrei sent Kathleen and I the charter proposal below a while ago. For myself I don't think its quite right yet but I'd rather hear what you all think. So please

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Fwd: [websec] unbearable - new mailing list to discuss better than bearer tokens...

2014-12-06 Thread Stephen Farrell
, 05 Dec 2014 16:43:19 + From: Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie Reply-To: Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie To: s...@ietf.org s...@ietf.org, websec web...@ietf.org, u...@ietf.org u...@ietf.org, ietf-http...@w3.org Group ietf-http...@w3.org, http-a...@ietf.org http

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [http-auth] unbearable - new mailing list to discuss better than bearer tokens...

2014-12-06 Thread Stephen Farrell
(again). I think the architectural/protocol issues around the use of load balancers have to be discussed as the current ALPN proposal may be unbearable for many. Phil @independentid www.independentid.com phil.h...@oracle.com On Dec 5, 2014, at 8:43 AM, Stephen Farrell

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-27: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2014-11-11 Thread Stephen Farrell
-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 8:33 PM To: 'Stephen Farrell'; The IESG Cc: oauth-cha...@tools.ietf.org; draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-to...@tools.ietf.org; oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-json-web

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-27: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2014-10-21 Thread Stephen Farrell
7:20 PM To: Stephen Farrell; The IESG Cc: oauth-cha...@tools.ietf.org; draft-ietf-oauth-json-web- to...@tools.ietf.org; oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-json- web-token-27: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Thanks for tracking all of this Stephen

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-assertions-18: (with COMMENT)

2014-10-21 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-assertions-18: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-saml2-bearer-21: (with COMMENT)

2014-10-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-saml2-bearer-21: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-assertions-17: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2014-10-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-assertions-17: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer

[OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-jwt-bearer-10: (with COMMENT)

2014-10-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-jwt-bearer-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-jwt-bearer-10: (with COMMENT)

2014-10-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
at 5:22 AM, Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote: Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-oauth-jwt-bearer-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-oauth-saml2-bearer-21: (with COMMENT)

2014-10-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, Mostly fine just a couple of notes. On 16/10/14 20:28, Brian Campbell wrote: Thanks for your review and feedback, Stephen. Replies are inline below... On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote: Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-assertions-17: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2014-10-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 16/10/14 21:06, Brian Campbell wrote: Thanks for your review and feedback on this one too, Stephen. Replies are inline below... On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote: Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-assertions-17: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2014-10-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 16/10/14 22:39, Brian Campbell wrote: Hiya in return and inline below... On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote: Hmm. So the SAML one only seems to have RSA-SHA1 as the MTI and the JOSE one has only H256 as required. Doesn't that seem like

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-27: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2014-10-06 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Mike, On 06/10/14 08:54, Mike Jones wrote: Thanks for your review, Stephen. I've added the working group to the thread so they're aware of your comments. -Original Message- From: Stephen Farrell [mailto:stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 5:03 AM

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-27: (with DISCUSS)

2014-10-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
Mike, I cannot tell which is your text and which not. Can you please use a better quoting style? These docs are going to be a total PITA to handle otherwise. Thanks, S. On 02/10/14 16:14, Mike Jones wrote: Responding to the DISCUSS below… -Original Message- From: Alissa

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-json-web-token-27: (with DISCUSS)

2014-10-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 02/10/14 17:25, Mike Jones wrote: OK - I'll start prefixing my text with Mike . Many thanks. S -Original Message- From: Stephen Farrell [mailto:stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 8:49 AM To: Mike Jones; Alissa Cooper; The IESG Cc: oauth-cha

[OAUTH-WG] Fwd: [kitten] [IANA #731918] SASL mechanism not listed

2014-03-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
See below. I think (not quite sure) that this is better discussed on the kitten list. Ta, S. Original Message Subject: [kitten] [IANA #731918] SASL mechanism not listed Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 19:33:06 + From: Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie To: kit...@ietf.org

[OAUTH-WG] TLS question from token revocation draft iesg evaluation

2013-06-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, This draft has a couple of minor changes needed as a result of IESG review (see [1]) but one question came up that I wanted to bring back to the WG to see what you think. Any good answer should be fine btw, this isn't a case of the insisting on stuff. The question is whether the WG think

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Use of Version Control Systems for Draft Editing

2013-05-13 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 05/13/2013 09:04 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: Hi all, the OpenID Connect had gained some experience with using version control systems for editing specifications (and the use of issue trackers), see http://openid.bitbucket.org/. Based on a recent discussion in the IETF (among

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of draft-ietf-oauth-revocation-06

2013-04-15 Thread Stephen Farrell
Lodderstedt wrote: Hi Stephen, I just posted a new revision of the draft (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-oauth-revocation-07). I tried to address all the issues you raised (see below). Am 09.04.2013 19:27, schrieb Stephen Farrell: Hi, I've done my AD review of this draft. I have two

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of draft-ietf-oauth-revocation-06

2013-04-12 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi, I'm surprised there've been no responses. I thought there was more interest in this one. Ta, S. On 04/09/2013 06:27 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: Hi, I've done my AD review of this draft. I have two quick questions I'd like to get answered before I start IETF LC. Depending

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of draft-ietf-oauth-revocation-06

2013-04-12 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 04/12/2013 10:03 PM, Justin Richer wrote: Hi Stephen, I didn't respond as I didn't have anything to add to your comments, but what little details I have are inline. Thanks:-) On 04/12/2013 04:53 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: Hi, I'm surprised there've been no responses. I

[OAUTH-WG] AD review of draft-ietf-oauth-revocation-06

2013-04-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi, I've done my AD review of this draft. I have two quick questions I'd like to get answered before I start IETF LC. Depending on the answers maybe we should re-spin or just fire ahead, let's see... (1) 2.1: upon the return of the request isn't right is it? I think you mean the response at

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Shepherd Writeup for draft-ietf-oauth-revocation-06

2013-04-07 Thread Stephen Farrell
been deployed by four companies, namely by Salesforce, Google, Deutsche Telekom, and MITRE. The working group reviewed and discussed the document extensively. Personnel: Hannes Tschofenig is the document shepherd. The responsible area director is Stephen Farrell. (3) Briefly describe

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC6749 (3500)

2013-03-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
This looks right to me (and I'm in a boring meeting processing errata:-) so I'm gonna mark it as verified. Please let me know if that's wrong. S On 02/26/2013 05:07 PM, RFC Errata System wrote: The following errata report has been submitted for RFC6749, The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Framework.

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory to implement

2013-02-19 Thread Stephen Farrell
is interoperability theatre if you are pretending it will make arbitrary OAuth deployments automatically work together. Regards John B. On 2013-02-19, at 4:22 AM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: Hi John, At 12:54 18-02-2013, John Bradley wrote: That is where we get into the area Stephen Farrell

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-18 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Barry, I agree with you generally, but just on one point... On 02/18/2013 05:38 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: That's why I say that as I see it, it's not an issue of MTI. I do think there is an issue related to MTI that's affecting the discussion. Clearing up that issue won't by itself solve

[OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-17 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi all, The OAuth assertion document has received DISCUSSes as you can see from the data tracker at [1]. I've been chatting with the chairs and the ADs with those DISCUSSes in the last few days. The main concern is that these documents do not sufficiently specify the functionality that is

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth assertions plan

2013-02-17 Thread Stephen Farrell
In some off-list mail between Mike and I, he said: Was TCP a bad idea because it didn't have MTI port numbers? Would it have improved TCP to add an MTI port or two? To which I responded: Ports are MTI for TCP. [1] They are 16 bit values with a well-defined test for equality and a little

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Assertion Draft: Text about Interoperability -- Today

2013-01-19 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Hannes, On 01/19/2013 04:19 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: Thanks for the feedback. I see that a couple of you have decided to go with option 2. Yep, looks like it. I've moved this back to Feb 7 so the discussion doesn't need to be rushed. S.

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Assertion Draft: Text about Interoperability -- Today

2013-01-18 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, So I'll take the lack of further discussion about this an meaning that the wg want this to shoot ahead. I'll put this in as an RFC editor note for the draft. Cheers, S. On 01/18/2013 12:04 PM, Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote: Hi all, As you have seen on the list (see

Re: [OAUTH-WG] draft-ietf-oauth-assertions-09

2013-01-11 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi, Since we thought we were done with it, I put this document on the IESG telechat agenda for Jan 24. Hannes' question however looks like its a real one that needs an answer. I'd appreciate it if the WG could figure out if there's any change needed and either make that change in the next week,

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC6749 (3446)

2013-01-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 01/09/2013 11:02 PM, Derek Atkins wrote: Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org writes: Corrected Text -- Resource owners cannot revoke access to an individual third party without revoking access to all third parties, and must do so by changing their password. Notes -

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Writeup for Assertion Framework for OAuth 2.0 draft-ietf-oauth-assertions-07

2012-12-10 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Hannes, all, Sorry to have been slow with the AD review here. I've only a few comments (below) that can be handled as IETF LC comments. Any changes as a result of the recent thread on the definition of Issuer can also be done then. Unless someone tells me to hold off for a new version, I'll

Re: [OAUTH-WG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-oauth-v2-threatmodel-07.txt

2012-08-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
Thanks, Since this is on the Aug 30 telechat let's not have any further changes without a chair/AD asking. Ta, S On 16 Aug 2012, at 18:19, Torsten Lodderstedt tors...@lodderstedt.net wrote: Hi all, the new revision covers token substitution, which has been added to the core spec

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of draft-ietf-oauth-threatmodel-05

2012-08-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
: Stephen One more threat has come up in the core spec that is being looked at. As Torsten is heading out on vacation I have agreed to augment if needed with any supplementary text to the threat model. Will keep you informed. Phil On 2012-06-27, at 17:17, Stephen Farrell stephen.farr

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth-bearer and rfc 2617/httpbis authentication framework

2012-07-23 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 07/23/2012 08:56 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: On 2012-07-23 00:33, Stephen Farrell wrote: Hi all, I'd like to check that some recent minor changes to this document [1] don't cause technical or process-grief. The version [2] of the oauth bearer draft that underwent IETF LC and IESG

[OAUTH-WG] oauth-bearer and rfc 2617/httpbis authentication framework

2012-07-22 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi all, I'd like to check that some recent minor changes to this document [1] don't cause technical or process-grief. The version [2] of the oauth bearer draft that underwent IETF LC and IESG evaluation had a normative dependency on the httpbis wg's authentication framework. [3] After

[OAUTH-WG] draft-ietf-oauth-urbn-sub-ns

2012-07-20 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi, This draft was approved on yesterday's IESG telechat. Before sending it off to the RFC editor would you take a look at the comments [1] and let me know if there are any changes worth making. If they're tiny but worth doing, (which they probably are) I can put them in as an RFC editor note,

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Gen-ART Telechat review of draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-22.txt

2012-07-17 Thread Stephen Farrell
Folks. Please don't develop any new revisions for these documents right now. I know you can't officially post 'em anyway, but I don't want us to get tempted to roll new versions handling unrelated comments. (Alexey's comments are not unrelated.) I'd like to handle any tweaks needed as RFC editor

Re: [OAUTH-WG] draft-ietf-oauth-v2-30 and draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-22

2012-07-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Hannes, That's great thanks. And thanks all for the good work. Since there've been a good few changes and a bit of time has elapsed I'll give the other IESG members who previously commented on these a few days to check if the changes are ok, and then I can shoot 'em along. Cheers, S. PS: A

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of draft-ietf-oauth-threatmodel-05

2012-06-27 Thread Stephen Farrell
comments. Please find answers to your comments below. Thank you again for your detailed review. You helped us to significantly improve the document's quality. best regards, Torsten. Am 28.05.2012 20:34, schrieb Stephen Farrell: Hi all, I've gotten the publication request for oauth

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of draft-ietf-oauth-urn-sub-ns-02

2012-06-20 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 06/20/2012 05:14 PM, Mike Jones wrote: Per your question (5) Stephen, possibly see the registrations in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-oauth-saml2-bearer-12#section-6. Authors, maybe using one of these as an example would help? Thanks Mike, that answers the question. I can't see

Re: [OAUTH-WG] FW: Pete Resnick's Discuss on draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2012-06-18 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Mike, As you noted this is under way. When I mailed tlr I asked for two weeks from the 13th, which co-incides with the end of the IETF LC caused by the IPR declaration, so it should be fine. Cheers, S. On 06/18/2012 07:08 PM, Mike Jones wrote: Hi Stephen, Pete is holding his DISCUSS on

[OAUTH-WG] 2nd IETF LC on oauth bearer document

2012-06-13 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi all, Just so's you know, I've requested the additional IETF LC on the oauth bearer draft. This is because a reviewer after the previous IETF LC and after the IESG telechat noticed some IPR and did the right thing. I think we're close enough to done that folks can make their evaluations of

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of draft-ietf-oauth-threatmodel-05

2012-06-03 Thread Stephen Farrell
long it will take (due to daytime job load). Sure. With 3 authors and most of the comments only needing trivial fixes, I'd hope that's not too long a job. (Or, if it is, maybe ask the chairs to try find more help.) Cheers, S. best regards, Torsten. Am 28.05.2012 20:34, schrieb Stephen

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Internal WG Review: Recharter of Web Authorization Protocol (oauth)

2012-05-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
: Hannes Tschofenig hannes.tschofe...@gmx.net Derek Atkins de...@ihtfp.com Security Area Directors: Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie Sean Turner turn...@ieca.com Security Area Advisor: Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie Technical Advisor: Peter Saint-Andre stpe

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Internal WG Review: Recharter of Web Authorization Protocol (oauth)

2012-05-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
to include JSON-based so I've left that out. Typo: Change a authorization to an authorization. Ta, S. -- Mike -Original Message- From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Farrell Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7

Re: [OAUTH-WG] [apps-discuss] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-20 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 04/20/2012 03:40 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: Why not MUST ASN.1 while you're at it? JSON has won in case you'all haven't noticed it. Well, I also remember when XML won over ASN.1, or was that some RPC thing? Seems like a new format wins about every five years or so, once the last winner

[OAUTH-WG] web sso study...

2012-04-17 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi all, A recent news article [1] was brought to my attention this week that's about a paper [2] which I've just read. While it mostly deals with implementation and integration flaws, I'm wondering if there's anything in there that could benefit any of the oauth drafts. Anyone had a look at that

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-13 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi All, So Hannes and Derek and I have been discussing this with the Apps ADs and Apps-area WG chairs. I've also read the docs now, and after all that we've decided that this topic (what to do with swd and webfinger) is best handled in the apps area and not in the oauth WG. The logic for that

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Web Finger vs. Simple Web Discovery (SWD)

2012-04-12 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 04/12/2012 12:00 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: Hi all, those who had attended the last IETF meeting may have noticed the ongoing activity in the 'Applications Area Working Group' regarding Web Finger. We had our discussion regarding Simple Web Discovery (SWD) as part of the

[OAUTH-WG] Fwd: Gen-ART Telechat review of draft-ietf-oauth-v2-25

2012-04-10 Thread Stephen Farrell
FYI in case some aren't on i...@ietf.org Having responses to these before Thursday would be good. Its often the case that some AD will turn some of these points into a DISCUSS so good to know what can be cleared up easily and what might need further discussion before the telechat. S

Re: [OAUTH-WG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-oauth-v2-24.txt

2012-03-08 Thread Stephen Farrell
Thanks Eran, A question... Is this text in 3.1.2.5 correct? If third-party scripts are included, the client MUST NOT ensure that its own scripts (used to extract and remove the credentials from the URI) will execute first. MUST NOT ensure is a really odd construct. Maybe s/NOT//?

[OAUTH-WG] progressing base and bearer

2012-03-08 Thread Stephen Farrell
First, thanks all, but especially editors and chairs, for your efforts on these. I'll be putting them on an IESG telechat agenda very shortly. That'll be for after the Paris meeting though, but only because we have a monster 700 pages of I-Ds to go through for next week's telechat due to

Re: [OAUTH-WG] ID Tracker State Update Notice: draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-17.txt

2012-03-08 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Mike, On 03/08/2012 03:31 PM, Mike Jones wrote: Hi Stephen, I wanted to verify that, despite this state change, that it's still OK for me to make the editorial change suggested by the WG to the Bearer spec to change the b64token example. Sure. Changes the WG want that don't conflict

Re: [OAUTH-WG] REVISED Last Call: draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-15.txt (The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Protocol: Bearer Tokens) to Proposed Standard

2012-01-24 Thread Stephen Farrell
Folks, The OAuth bearer and base last calls had to be re-done since I forgot to include some downref information. Other than adding a day to IETF LC, there should be no other difference. Sorry about that. S On 01/24/2012 03:00 PM, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the

Re: [OAUTH-WG] OAuth specs in IETF last call

2012-01-23 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 01/23/2012 05:11 PM, Mike Jones wrote: FYI, the OAuth Core and Bearer specifications have reached IETF last call status - the last step before becoming RFCs. See the following notes from the Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG). Not quite the last step. There may be directorate

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD Review of -22 (part III)

2012-01-21 Thread Stephen Farrell
As before, Thanks S On 21 Jan 2012, at 02:53, Eran Hammer e...@hueniverse.com wrote: -Original Message- From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Farrell Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:13 AM Original list of nits

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory to Implement Interoperability

2011-12-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hannes, I don't see any proposed text here, I see re-chartering suggestions. The latter is not going to happen if the current main documents are wedged. Please focus on the former now. You know that I disagree with you and a number of WG participants about this, so no need for me to repeat

Re: [OAUTH-WG] TLS version requirements in OAuth 2.0 base

2011-12-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
, December 01, 2011 12:59 PM To: Stephen Farrell Cc: Barry Leiba; oauth WG Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] TLS version requirements in OAuth 2.0 base On 12/1/11 1:57 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: On 12/01/2011 08:10 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 12/1/11 1:09 PM, Rob Richards wrote: On 11/28/11 10:39 PM

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-04 Thread Stephen Farrell
FWIW, if Barry's suggested text was amended to say MUST do bearer, MAY do mac I'd still be ok with that. Much as I'd like if the mac scheme were more popular, my comment on -22 was interop and not really security related. S On 12/04/2011 01:15 PM, Paul Madsen wrote: Commercial OAuth

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-04 Thread Stephen Farrell
be completely silent on MAC, as it is not ready for prime time. -Original Message- From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Farrell Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 6:20 AM To: Paul Madsen Cc: oauth@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-04 Thread Stephen Farrell
, and in that case, I guess there is (or was, seems quiet now) a re-chartering thread that seems appropriate for that topic. Cheers, S. EHL -Original Message- From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Farrell Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 6:44 AM

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Barry, On 12/02/2011 03:20 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: Maybe what would work best is some text that suggests what I say above: that toolkits intended for use in implementing OAuth services in general... implement [X and/or Y], and that code written for a specific environment implement what makes

Re: [OAUTH-WG] TLS version requirements in OAuth 2.0 base

2011-12-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 12/01/2011 08:10 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 12/1/11 1:09 PM, Rob Richards wrote: On 11/28/11 10:39 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: The OAuth base doc refers in two places to TLS versions (with the same text in both places: OLD The authorization server MUST support TLS 1.0 ([RFC2246]), SHOULD

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
Barry, all, First, apologies for being so slow responding, various travels got in the way. I hope we can quickly resolve this now. Bit of process first: at the meeting we discussed this and at the end of that discussion, there were quite a few more folks for the pick one position. People who

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 12/01/2011 11:37 PM, William Mills wrote: Re: So, pick one (my strong personal preference) or establish and document why you're not picking one seem to me to be the choices available. We don't have discovery done (enough) yet to lean on it in the core spec, but if we did I'd be in favor

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
to be a good way to go. We disagree about that I guess. To me it seems a peculiar way to go unless one assumes that coders write code that's specific to a specific service provider. S. Phil @independentid www.independentid.com phil.h...@oracle.com On 2011-12-01, at 1:25 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 12/02/2011 01:38 AM, Michael D Adams wrote: I echo Justin Richer's comments. On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Barry Leibabarryle...@computer.org wrote: 1. Should we specify some token type as mandatory to implement? Why or why not (*briefly*)? No. There's no mechanism in the

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
to be a good way to go. We disagree about that I guess. To me it seems a peculiar way to go unless one assumes that coders write code that's specific to a specific service provider. S. Phil @independentid www.independentid.com phil.h...@oracle.com On 2011-12-01, at 1:25 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Mandatory-to-implement token type

2011-12-01 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 12/02/2011 02:14 AM, Michael D Adams wrote: On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote: On 12/02/2011 01:38 AM, Michael D Adams wrote: So an MTI token type + no client preference is equivalent to there only existing one token type. Maybe

[OAUTH-WG] wg summaries

2011-11-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
Reminder: please send your wg summary messages to saag before the session at 1520! Nea and oauth: I know that's quite demanding Dane: you met Monday :-) Thanks, S. ___ OAuth mailing list OAuth@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth

Re: [OAUTH-WG] wg summaries

2011-11-16 Thread Stephen Farrell
oops - meant just for the chairs, apologies. S On 11/17/2011 02:44 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: Reminder: please send your wg summary messages to saag before the session at 1520! Nea and oauth: I know that's quite demanding Dane: you met Monday :-) Thanks, S

Re: [OAUTH-WG] draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-14

2011-11-05 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 11/05/2011 07:36 PM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: Hi all, after a discussion with Stephen we decided that it would be useful to have draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-14 submitted during the blackout period so that we have the most recent feedback incorporated already before the IETF meeting

[OAUTH-WG] AD review of draft-ietf-oauth-bearer-13

2011-11-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi, Good work - another one almost out the door! Thanks. However, I think this one needs a revised ID before we start IETF LC. Nothing hard to change I hope, but I think there are enough changes to make that its best done that way. I reckon items 3,5,7-11 and 13 below need fixing, but are I

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
that are MTI is clear. Incidentally, I don't believe any amount of +1 messages to your mail answer my point above. As Eran's mail asks: what is it that you're suggesting be MTI for whom? S. regards, Torsten. Am 13.10.2011 19:13, schrieb Stephen Farrell: Hi all, Sorry for having been quite

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
Agnostic sounds like a fine word. I'd need to have it demonstrated to me that it doesn't mean non-interoperable in this case. S. ___ OAuth mailing list OAuth@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth

Re: [OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-11-02 Thread Stephen Farrell
So perhaps this is the interesting point of difference. On 11/02/2011 08:37 PM, John Bradley wrote: It is up to the server to decide what formats it will support. With IETF protocols, its IETF consensus that decides this in almost all cases that affect interop and it is therefore not up to

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Publication requested for draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-12

2011-10-30 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Hannes, Just looking at this now. The tracker [1] WG state shows revised ID needed - was that prior to the publication request or as a result of the comments on the list since you sent me this? If the former, I'll do my AD review now, if the latter then I guess I should wait and review a

[OAUTH-WG] AD review of -22

2011-10-13 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi all, Sorry for having been quite slow with this, but I had a bunch of travel recently. Anyway, my AD comments on -22 are attached. I think that the first list has the ones that need some change before we push this out for IETF LC, there might or might not be something to change as a result

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