from:"Elaine Sui"

*Boyz, since you bring this sun tzu things up, can you please tell us why US
market rebounded last night, from your sun tzu perspective, and why IDX
should rebound as well.

Elaine**
*
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:09 PM, jacob oen oenja...@yahoo.com wrote:



 Kalau BOZZ sudah menerapkan Sun Tzu's the art of war strategy di Stock
 Market, apalagi Bozz selalu memiliki informasi penting, akurat dan pertama
 tentang apa pun yang berkaitan dan bisa dikaitkan dengan Pasar Modalakan
 menjadi sangat tidak mudah bagi para traders/investor kecil untuk mendapat
 keuntungan besar di Stock Market..

 Olehkarena itu...the only way for trader to defend themselves is to adopt
 the Survival methodIn a desperate situation, they fear nothing;
 when there is no way-out, they stand firm...as they think that Survivaland
 Fearlessness will drive Victory.

 hehehe

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 *From:* boyz® m457...@yahoo.com.sg
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Monday, September 28, 2009 9:29:57 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [ob] Kegocek lagi kah ?



 Itu lah bro Billy...

 Di pikir BOZZ itu culun kali ya, hehehe
 His tactic jauuuhhh lebih canggih, sumber daya manusia-nya jauh lebih
 smart, and perlengkapan perangnya jauh lebih lengkap dari average trader /
 investor. Begitu pula networking and sumber informasinya jauh lebih luas
 dari kita-2.

 ibarat kata, di art of war Sun Tzu aja ada 'trick'-nya:

 *All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must
 seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near,
 we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make
 him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder,
 and crush him.*


 *If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in
 superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to
 irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking
 his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If
 sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him
 where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.**
 *


 Salam,


 2009/9/28 billy_budiman92 billybudiman20@ yahoo.combillybudima...@yahoo.com
 

 Yang jelas kalau semua pada takut bearish, bozz mana maksimal
 distribusinya, coba tembusin ke 2,500 wuihhh dijamin barang boss laris
 manis, hahahahhahahaaa

Re: [ob] Kegocek lagi kah ?

*Perhaps you want to hear from me first? Fine [?]. Well, it might be because
market is seeing US companies have been trying everything to reduce their
overhead costs (thus maintaining their profitability) by doing layoffs and
mergers. (though reducing OHC is no way better than increasing Opr Rev, it
still a good thing, and will polish their ratios too)

And the rising of natural gas price brings good sentiment to gas producers
such as Energi and Medco. But I see so far the trading volumes are
relatively thin, so we may see a bit volatile market.

Now, give me your sun tzu.

Elaine


*
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:02 AM, boyz® m457...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:





 Duh nanya-nya jgn yg susah2 dong, hon... :P



 On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:



 *Boyz, since you bring this sun tzu things up, can you please tell us why
 US market rebounded last night, from your sun tzu perspective, and why IDX
 should rebound as well.

 Elaine*




 

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Re: [ob] Re: Short Selling, Today's trading Opportunity

*Embah tidak salah, cuma posting too early. I think you should've done it on
session 2.*

2009/9/29 Embah jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id



 Salah sih biasa, engga usah maap maapan

 Logika embah begini:
 - Kemarin Bozz salah posisi karena ternyata DJI rebound.

 Nah kalo Bozz udah salah posisi, biasanya dia mau mindahin kesalahannya
 ama market, jadi SCENARIO akan seperti begini BIASANYA:
 - Dia akan angkat IHSG secepat KILAT (3 menit IHSG +30) (ini sudah jadi
 FAKTA)
 - Trader terpaksa akan BELI HARGA ATAS karena index naik terlalu cepat (ini
 juga FAKTA)

 Sesudah itu baru trader DIKERJAIN (mindahin kesalahan kemarin ke market)
 (ini belon
 kejadian)

 Sesudah trader dikerjain, baru diangkat lagi kalo memang rencananya mau
 ngangkat.

 IHSG naik lagi +34, BUMI 3275 dicolek lagi minta DISHORT





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 obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *JT
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46 AM
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Cc:* jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* RE: [ob] Re: Short Selling, Today's trading Opportunity



  Waduhhh, jgn Mbah, lagi mental di support jangan di Short..., mungkin
 maksud Mbah untuk DAY TRADE ya ?..., kalau utk day trade sih OK.., tapi kalo
 swing atau trend trading saya pikir kurang wise utk short, too close to
 support level.., kalau supportnya JEBOL baru dah bisa kita short.., maap
 kalo salah Mbah..

 JT

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 obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant
 Sent: 29 September 2009 9:36
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [ob] Re: Short Selling, Today's trading Opportunity

 IHSG langsung naik +30 dalam 3 menit !!!

 Ideal banget buat ngeshort...

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 wrote:

 

  09:15

 

  Short Selling, Today's trading Opportunity

 

 

  - Dowjones rebound semalam dan biasanya IHSG akan ikut rebound.

  - IHSG akan rebound sekitar 20 sampe 30 point lalu turun lagi

 

  Gunakan momen ini sebagai:

  1. Short Selling Opportunity, short saat IHSG mencapai puncaknya pagi

 ini, short saham saham yg lagi reversal (UP Fractal) seperti BUMI

  2. Sell On strength opportunity

 

  http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwihsg.png

 

  Note:

  - Lebih mudah ngeshort dengan tenang pada puncak IHSG

dari pada panik ngejar2 harga yg naik pagi ini.

  - Kalo engga bisa short sell, nonton aja...

 

   

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Re: [ob] Re: Short Selling, Today's trading Opportunity

*I believe the majority of OB members aren't eligible for short selling.
Hee.. [?]*

2009/9/29 boyz® m457...@yahoo.com.sg



 Sesi 2? yakin ntar malem DJI turun dalem?

 Kalo yakin ntar sesi2 Dow fut merah and Eropa minus dalem, boleh-2 aja
 nyuruh/rekomen orang untuk nge-short.
 lha kalo ntar regional makin IJO, and eropa Plus banyak... apa pada ngga
 gosong yg nge-short.

 Salam,




 2009/9/29 Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com



 *Embah tidak salah, cuma posting too early. I think you should've done it
 on session 2.*

 2009/9/29 Embah jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id



 Salah sih biasa, engga usah maap maapan

 Logika embah begini:
 - Kemarin Bozz salah posisi karena ternyata DJI rebound.

 Nah kalo Bozz udah salah posisi, biasanya dia mau mindahin kesalahannya
 ama market, jadi SCENARIO akan seperti begini BIASANYA:
 - Dia akan angkat IHSG secepat KILAT (3 menit IHSG +30) (ini sudah jadi
 FAKTA)
 - Trader terpaksa akan BELI HARGA ATAS karena index naik terlalu cepat
 (ini juga FAKTA)

 Sesudah itu baru trader DIKERJAIN (mindahin kesalahan kemarin ke market)
 (ini belon
 kejadian)

 Sesudah trader dikerjain, baru diangkat lagi kalo memang rencananya mau
 ngangkat.

 IHSG naik lagi +34, BUMI 3275 dicolek lagi minta DISHORT





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 obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *JT
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:46 AM
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Cc:* jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* RE: [ob] Re: Short Selling, Today's trading Opportunity



  Waduhhh, jgn Mbah, lagi mental di support jangan di Short..., mungkin
 maksud Mbah untuk DAY TRADE ya ?..., kalau utk day trade sih OK.., tapi kalo
 swing atau trend trading saya pikir kurang wise utk short, too close to
 support level.., kalau supportnya JEBOL baru dah bisa kita short.., maap
 kalo salah Mbah..

 JT

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 obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant
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 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [ob] Re: Short Selling, Today's trading Opportunity

 IHSG langsung naik +30 dalam 3 menit !!!

 Ideal banget buat ngeshort...

  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant
 jsx-consult...@... wrote:

 

  09:15

 

  Short Selling, Today's trading Opportunity

 

 

  - Dowjones rebound semalam dan biasanya IHSG akan ikut rebound.

  - IHSG akan rebound sekitar 20 sampe 30 point lalu turun lagi

 

  Gunakan momen ini sebagai:

  1. Short Selling Opportunity, short saat IHSG mencapai puncaknya pagi

 ini, short saham saham yg lagi reversal (UP Fractal) seperti BUMI

  2. Sell On strength opportunity

 

  http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwihsg.png

 

  Note:

  - Lebih mudah ngeshort dengan tenang pada puncak IHSG

dari pada panik ngejar2 harga yg naik pagi ini.

  - Kalo engga bisa short sell, nonton aja...

 

   

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Re: [ob] Re: OOT: Baik dan Buruk (1)

*Whoa I never thought it'd be this hard to make money... I guess my way of
making money is very different. For me, those who get information first will
win. That is all.

One thing for sure, the capital market is the true form of capitalism and
it's made by the west. You just can't reject the fact that what we're in an
interconnected global market despite the economic power now is shifting to
the east.

(ps: I have a strong feeling that the 'guru' you mentioned above is a gold
trader, heee)

Capitalism also has downsides too, it tend to leverage everything to
maximize profit (albeit riskier), greed and fear also play major role in
capitalism so it moves like snowball effect (some call spiral effect) until
the bubble pops.

In math we call it Factorial Recursion. In TA you call it Fibonacci
Projection. In physics they call it nuclear fission.

So this 'Guru' is RIGHT. Whether we see it as a snowball, spiral, recursion,
fibonacci, fission, it only differs in our thought, but the LAW is always
the same.

(If you don't understand what I'm saying, it's okay. Nobody's perfect)

Elaine*

2009/9/27 EdwinKdr edwin...@yahoo.com

*--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jacob Oen oenja...@... wrote:
*
Sang Guru tentu tidak asing dengan apa yang terjadi di Dunia ini.

Suatu ketika dia diminta untuk menjelaskan pepatah kesukaannya: Tidak
ada baik atau buruk, melainkan *pikiran kitalah yang membuatnya begitu*.

Inilah yang ia katakan:

Tidakkah kamu lihat bahwa *apa yang dianggap sesak dalam kereta api
dianggap meriah dalam diskotik*?.

Disini mungkin kalo ditransformasikan ke saham adalah sbb :

*Trade what you see not what you think* [image: :)]

Ibarat kemampuan *mengerti tanpa THINK atau Berpikir*
Kalo Suhu Ian kemarin bilang di milis saham itu adalah BLINK.

atau *kemampuan berpikir tanpa berpikir.* [image: ;)]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saham/message/44193

atau sedikit mengambil pembahasan topik Ilham yg disampaikan Pak Abu
Sangkan - MetroTV saat bulan puasa kemarin

kira2 demikian

Lebah bisa membuat sarang dalam bentuk Hexagonal kemampuan apakah kira2
yg dimiliki lebah ?

Sebab lebah tdk bisa berpikir..iya tho ? [image: :)] pasti ada suatu
kemampuan khusus yg diwahyukan YMK untuk lebah tsb.dimana bisa membuat
sarang rapi berbentuk Hexagonal.

http://us1.harunyahya.com/Detail/T/EDCRFV/productId/4519/LEBAH_MADU:_SANG_ARSITEK_DAN_PENARI_ULUNG

Apalagi manusia. [image: :)]

Trailer Bee Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16SMpTXpuuY

Mungkin berikut sedikit artikel tentang fenomena budaya yg saat ini
muncul[image: :)]

http://suluk.blogsome.com/2008/10/20/nur-dari-timur/

*Fight, argue,* dan *complain,* itulah ciri-ciri manusia yang disebut
hidup di Barat. Tanpa perlawanan, tanpa adu argumentasi, orang dianggap
tidak hidup di Barat. Intinya, melawan itu kuat, diam itu lemah, melawan
itu cerdas, dan pasrah itu tolol.

Dengan latar belakang berbeda, pola hidup ala Barat ini menyebar cepat
melalui televisi, internet, radio, media, dan lainnya. Dengan bungkus seksi
demokrasi, hak asasi manusia, semua dibawa ke Timur sehingga dalam banyak
keadaan (angka bunuh diri naik di Jepang, Thailand mengalami guncangan
politik, Pakistan ditandai pembunuhan politik), banyak manusia di Timur
mengalami kebingungan roh Timur dengan baju Barat.

Perhatikan kehidupan desa sebagai barometer. Tanpa banyak berdebat siapa
yang akan menjadi presiden, ke mana arah masa depan, partai apa yang akan
menang. Di desa yang banyak burungnya, tetapi manusianya banyak menonton
televisi (sebagai catatan, realita di desa amat sederhana, tontonan di
televisi amat menggoda), tema hidup setiap pagi adalah burung menyanyi,
manusia mencaci.
*Notes *: Sehingga saat ini untuk SEE saja, kita perlu untuk diajari
lagi... [image: :p]

BLINK biasanya dicapai oleh trader yg sudah mencapai level pencerahan
keatas...[image: :)]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saham/message/53995

*Level 3 The EUREKA Moment*

*Pada akhir level 2, kamu akhirnya menyadari pokok permasalahan bukan
terletak di system. Kamu menyadari bahwa kamu bisa mendapat profit bahkan
jika hanya menggunakan system yang simpel seperti moving average saja tanpa
ada indicator lain, jika kamu bisa menggunakan kepala kamu dan money
management yang benar.*

Pertanyaan selanjutnya

*Apakah orang yg sudah mencapai Level Pencerahan keatas ? atau istilahnya
mulai mejadi pendekar tangan kosong tdk memerlukan lagi atau harus
meninggalkan BASIC SYSTEM ?*

*Jawabannya *: *tentu tdk...sebenarnya justru harusnya dia lebih ahli
menempatkan/memakai system2 yg dibutuhkan pada tempatnya.*

Misalnya Chart(candle stick), Pattern atau penggaris gocengnya embah...he
he

Level 3 ini menurut saya sangat penting, karena ini adalah *level titik
balik*.
Dimana sebenarnya antara level 1 dan 2 vs Level 4 dan 5 itu bisa jadi sama
pengetahuannya tapi beda pemahamannya.(Perbedaan pengalaman atau jam
terbang)

Teknik umum dalam

Re: [ob] FLU BABI

*What you mean is HIV...

HIV is not an airborne, water-borne or food-borne virus, and does not
survive for very long outside the human body. Therefore ordinary social
contact such as kissing, trading, shaking hands, coughing and sharing
cutlery does not result in the virus being passed from one trader to
another. (but you may still get swine flu after your ass was busted by a
bunch of condom-wearing boars [?]..sorry bad joke)

OB has virus on its own, isn't it.. the infamous 'I TOLD YOU' virus. It's
cheesy but damn it actually feels good sometimes. Even Tasrul and Embah do
this once in a while.

It's nothing about arrogance or self prophecies, it's just.. fun.

Elaine**
*
2009/9/27 CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) cumie...@gmail.com

 AIDS aja pada gak takut, kenapa ama pilek pada takut?

 AIDS dah jelas-jelas bahaya, tapi orang gak jalan-jalan pake kondom.
 Flu babi dah bikin orang-orang pake masker. Bwakakakak


 On 9/27/09, qasuari qasuar...@yahoo.com wrote:
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 wrote:
 
  1. Sepakat dengan Elaine bhw Swine Flu adalah penyakit buatan manusia.
  Swine Flu adalah proyek besar USA+WHO+Big farmacy companies.
  2. Kandungan vaksin Swine Flu sampai sekarang belum terbukti aman, halal
  dan tidak ada efek samping. Periksa tautan
  berikut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5oPEEo6ouE
  3. Sebenarnya tidak ada obat untuk semua jenis flu. Perawatan yang
  cespleng bagi semua jenis flu adalah istirahat, banyak minum air murni,
  banyak makan, usahakan badan tetap hangat termasuk jangan minum dan
 makan
  yang dingin2.
  4. Mari kita perangi bisnis jahat Swine Flu ini. Kenaikan saham2
  perusahaan farmasi hendaknya bukan karena isu Swine Flu.
 
 
  Sorry, SEND nya keduluan;
 
  Mo tau kapan Flu Burung (yang kemudian di'enhance' jadi Flu Babi ) di
  'Launching' ???
 
  Setelah ASIA meributkan penyakit KUKU dan MULUT ternak Sapi dari negeri
  Uncle Sam/ Kanada, yang mereka import. Check it out.
 
  Banyak hal memang yang 'menakjubkan' dari negeri sono yang sering
 terlambat
  kita menyadarinya.
 
 
 
  
 
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Re: [ob] OOT: Baik dan Buruk (1)

*Yea yea make fun of her as always. No wonder you wives are ugly..


*2009/9/27 boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg



 itu MIMPI kali, bro...
 hehehehe

 Salam,


 2009/9/27 JT™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com

 Kalo thd salah satu rekan kita, yg sepertinya Cantik, Pintar, Sexy dan
 sedikit galak (you know who..) Padahal belum pernah ada yg ketemu, itu
 sebenernya Persepsi apa Fantasi ya Boss??. Hehe... asalnanya.com

Re: [ob] OOT: Baik dan Buruk (1)

Oh shit.. I did it again.. I'M SORRYYY...

2009/9/27 Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com

 *Yea yea make fun of her as always. No wonder you wives are ugly..


 *2009/9/27 boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg



 itu MIMPI kali, bro...
 hehehehe

 Salam,


 2009/9/27 JT™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com

 Kalo thd salah satu rekan kita, yg sepertinya Cantik, Pintar, Sexy dan
 sedikit galak (you know who..) Padahal belum pernah ada yg ketemu, itu
 sebenernya Persepsi apa Fantasi ya Boss??. Hehe... asalnanya.com

Re: [ob] BUMI Technical

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*CIC, Glencore, Credit Suisse and Bumi Resources. What are they up to?
hmm... [?] Anyway, CIC main investment strategy is to invest worldwide
especially in 1. Natural Resources, 2. Technology, 3. Defense. These are
basically the sectors that remains laggard in China. (they are very strong
on financial, and manufacturing, CIC will NOT invest aggresively on these
sectors)

CIC inv. policy is to invest passively, it means they will not seek nor want
to control/takeover any companies policy. They just want hedge against
inflation by pouring liquidity all over the world.

(I guess they don't like to hold US money so much hee)

Elaine* *
*

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 1:13 PM, jsx_consultant 
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 - Gagal bermain diatas garis Coklat yaitu UPPER RESIST line dan
  turun lagi.
 - BUMI ada di Support penggaris Goceng --- HATI HATI 
 - Lebih baik hindari dulu BUMI sampai issue CIC didiscount
  oleh pasar

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Re: [ob] FLU BABI

2009-09-26 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*Percaya tidak swine flu, bird flu, they were all man-made disease..?

anyway virus are fragile against sunlight so when you're feeling to catch
cold, get outside and walk for a while, preferably between 6AM to 9AM. It
really helps to increase your body immune system.

But this Swine Flu is quite scary if we're not careful..

Elaine**
*
2009/9/27 Bumi T t_b...@yahoo.co.id




 Virus Flu Babi akan cepat menyebar pada musim dingin di negara Industri dan

 tentunya akan membuat permintaan vaksinasi Flu Babi meningkat.

 Investor boleh mencari tahu emiten mana di tanah air yang bisa memproduksi

 vaksinasi tsb.


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Re: [ob] Re: IHSG dan Oil 66

*Mau panic? I'm serious.

Elaine**
*
2009/9/25 JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com



  Agree Mbah.., meskipun global kurang mendukung, tapi IHSG keliatannya
 akan tetap di jaga ketat..., ini sdh terlihat sejak beberapa bulan lalu,
 kelihatannya ada target yg harus dicapai, ngga tau berapa..., level resiko
 sekitar 2350'an, kalau ada tekanan, mdh2an mantul disitu..., so far up trend
 belum terganggu.



 JT



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 -Original Message-
 From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
 obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant
 Sent: 25 September 2009 13:55
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [ob] Re: IHSG dan Oil 66



 Pak Edwin,



 Memprediksi IHSG itu memang ada seninya karena kita

 berhubungan dengan sistem yg complex dan disamping itu

 ada orang gede (OG) yg punya Tujuan atau Target.



 Say OG punya target IHSG ke 2550 tapi market tidak mendukung,

 maka gerakan marketnya SUSAH DIPREDIKSI.



 Misalnya saat ini IHSG -33 tapi jika OG mau IHSG ke 2550

 maka hari ini IHSG bisa rebound ke +0. OG biasanya berusaha

 mengusahakan targetnya meskipun harus melawan market yg

 engga condusive yaitu minyak lagi turun.






 
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Re: [ob] Re: IHSG dan Oil 66

*lolz what do you think I am, bandar? It rebounds by the way.. G20 pledges
for another stimulus (aka fund injection)...

Elaine**
*
2009/9/25 JT™ jsxtra...@yahoo.com



 can you do it? I am ok aja lah.., I don't know yg lain... :)

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 *From: * Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com
 *Date: *Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:36:59 +0700
 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [ob] Re: IHSG dan Oil 66

 *Mau panic? I'm serious.

 Elaine**
 *
 2009/9/25 JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com



  Agree Mbah.., meskipun global kurang mendukung, tapi IHSG keliatannya
 akan tetap di jaga ketat..., ini sdh terlihat sejak beberapa bulan lalu,
 kelihatannya ada target yg harus dicapai, ngga tau berapa..., level resiko
 sekitar 2350'an, kalau ada tekanan, mdh2an mantul disitu..., so far up trend
 belum terganggu.



 JT



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 -Original Message-
 From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
 obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant
 Sent: 25 September 2009 13:55
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [ob] Re: IHSG dan Oil 66



 Pak Edwin,



 Memprediksi IHSG itu memang ada seninya karena kita

 berhubungan dengan sistem yg complex dan disamping itu

 ada orang gede (OG) yg punya Tujuan atau Target.



 Say OG punya target IHSG ke 2550 tapi market tidak mendukung,

 maka gerakan marketnya SUSAH DIPREDIKSI.



 Misalnya saat ini IHSG -33 tapi jika OG mau IHSG ke 2550

 maka hari ini IHSG bisa rebound ke +0. OG biasanya berusaha

 mengusahakan targetnya meskipun harus melawan market yg

 engga condusive yaitu minyak lagi turun.









 

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Re: [ob] bumi?

*E.. did you say JUMP OUT? you're worried about the management
effectiveness, are you?

Elaine**
*
2009/9/25 Bagus Putra Perdana disclosure@gmail.com



 Harga Indikatif Eksekusi tuh yang di 4000 Bos, Bukan Dijaminkan Seharga
 Segitu, Yg Berarti Baru akan di execute sama CIC kalo harga market BUMI atau
 Intrinsic Value nya ke Unleash 12 % diatas 4000. selama harga BUMI gak
 keatas 4000 + 12 % ya CIC tetep santai karena beginipun udah dapet Coupon 12
 % plus sweetener.

 CIC ini institusi resmi pemerintah cina. wajar dia maen ekstra aman, One
 WaY Or another 19 % Minimum IRR udah dikunci ama dia.yg kena sial ya
 existing shareholder. Jujur, cek berapa Operating CF BUMI skrg, Cek Berapa
 EBT BUMI skrg, Visualisasikan angka itu ke-kick 250 Juta USD untuk tambahan
 beban bunga. berapa angka sisa buat shareholders?

 Nice Figure Eh? Not That Good, Unless TopLine bisa Tumbuh untuk compensate
 angka 250 Juta USD yg kebuang untuk Beban Bunga tadi (yg kalo pake acuan
 operating margin optimis di 35-33% aja minimal BUMI harus tambah revenue
 tahunan 650-700 juta USD ato setara 8-9 Juta Ton Produksi di harga ASP Coal
 $ 75/Ton, berapa Tambahan Produksi Tahun ini?, berarti tahun ini dan depan
 akan ada cash-burn yg non-produktif sebesar 250 Juta USD.)
  Skenario 19 Trilyun full dikonversi hanya mungkin kalo BUMI bener2 bisa
 unlock value nya secara nyata.

 Kebanyakan Institutional Player sudah Skeptis sama BUMI. siapa yg mau
 angkat dan beli diatas 4000 kalo Kinerja Operasi BUMI belun ada improvement
 signifikan?.

 BUMI harus Unlock Value nya dengan peningkatan kinerja operasional, bukan
 dengan akrobat akuisisi.


 Manajemen BUMI tau itu, dan seharusnya menunjukkan itikad ke arah situ. 1.9
 Bio USD, digunakan untuk keputusan yg benar, surely Rp 4000 is only a wink,
 but spend it for another sloppy moves, jump out the boat mate. they
 (management) were drilling up their own Hull...
  2009/9/25 albert naga albertnag...@yahoo.com



   diingat, bnbr dan bumi buy back saham bumi di harga 1700, dan sekarang
 dijaminkan ke cic seharga 4000, berarti bnbr dan bumi akan untung berapa?,
 untuk bnbr jelas akan menghapus kerugian yg 17 triliun itu, sedangkan untuk
 bumi sendiri, hutang2 nya akan lunas semua, akan menjadi perusahaan nett
 cash, setelah pinjaman dari cic di konversi menjadi saham, nah hitung aja
 sendiri mau dilepas apa hold?




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Re: [ob] bumi?

*I'm worried about CIC. They're just rich big fat sitting duck. You can
create a good looking proposal, walk to their office, tell them you have a
good investment opportunity, bring them to dinner at expensive restaurant.
Soon they will pour you with munnnyyy.

There's always be the magic words 'debt restruct' and that often happens on
Bakrie Group. I didn't say CIC is not smart, I'm just saying that Bumi mgt
is waay smarter (in a sarcastic way), and CIC is too big to watch over this
'naughty boy'..

I wonder, why did you pick BUMI?

Elaine
*
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:24 PM, kang_ocoy_maen_saham 
disclosure@gmail.com wrote:

 To The Extreme, Yes Missy, I am deeply worried, hence my deep concern
 (C'mon I Hold Some Pile Of BUMI too in My Portfolio, i dont like to cash-in
 at this level and unload it now but if the shareholder value is furtherly
 ruined by bad cash management, sure miss, i'll jump the boat and bundle the
 gain. safety first, that is what i was ordered to ensure...)

 Current CashFlow Figure Is Already Bleak Enough Even without extra 250Mn
 P/A Cash Coupon Payment. U know what i was talkin... All that worth for
 equity holders is freecashflow...

 Things would be Okay If the 1.9 Bio is properly directed.(Uhm Can U Whisper
 Their Ears to do so ^_^...)

 What do u say about BUMI's Management Effectiveness Missy?

 Care Sharing Us Your PERSONAL Tought of them?


 Greatly Appreciated... Thanks Before...



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  effectiveness, are you?
 
  Elaine**
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Re: [ob] bumi?

*Ehh, only one liner review for Bukit Asam? you know bukit asam is way below
their fair value.. hee [?] don't play hide and seek with me.

Elaine**
*
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Bagus Putra Perdana 
disclosure@gmail.com wrote:



 Having Declared They Got a 19 % IRR is not that bad El, Ultimately when 12
 % of it is already secured and Were Guaranteed by the rights to hold Account
 Receivables too.

 Why BUMI? Simple El.., The Price Level They Went Down Last Year, who didnt
 scoop them?!. i was avg down mine back then. that made my holding a bit
 bigger than it should be (damn i admit it, i didnt get out when it was 8000
 and i do have some initial position at 2800 ish before the lehman incident,
 so it would be quite clear i re-shape my position at some much bargain
 level)

 Why do i keep on flirt BUMI despite its Smart Management?

 another simple one Missy, we all know that well too..

 KPC! Indonesia Natives Gotta Have Some Chunks on that crownasset... Dang
 KPC is a really good one. a really good one...

 besides i dont just pick BUMI, I Have the chunk Of all Indonesia's Coal
 Proxy, with diffrent concentrated proportion of course...



 Its Not Easy To Double Production Level When Ure Producing At 50 Mn/Tonne
 Level.

 So Far Only BUMI and ADARO sitting at those level.

 Adaro Is An Exact Opposing Stories of BUMI, Come Up With Lousy Balance on
 IPO, They Gradually Improved the Lousy-Mezzanine-Build Balance sheet to a
 more and more healthy one. Proceeds Of IPO (Which Held at Fairly Good Price)
 was mainly used for Buying The Stake Of the Minority shares which were
 before punching their Earning After taxes (though they too bought it at
 exact expensive price as high as the IPO price). nonetheless no destruction
 on shareholders value. the remains Internal Cash was demonstrated to be used
 all for Coal-related decision. that provide some good marks for the
 management.

 negative thing is its likely already reflected on the price. Full Value
 Level has been reached. but the upside is there though, for longer-period
 player, given the assuring action of the shareholders. they dont do reckless
 non-coal acquisition. that made the difference, the whole difference...

 PTBA has Best Asset, They were A sure winner.

 Infinite Period Of Contract with Infinite Amount Resources. Not Yet
 Materialized. But Time Is Our Friend With This One

 Problem is their execution is naturally lame and slowed. well what can we
 say?, they were SOE. Time and commitment as a long-term holder is always on
 the mental note when we were entering this one.

 ITMG is very Good on Free CashFlow Wise. Its Balance were mostly On Hard
 Assets, problem is limited amount of current Reserves. 10-11 Year Span at
 best now.

 INDY? Not A Pure Play on Coal, I have to see more on KIDECO. but its quite
 prident with cash management. so its a neutral one. i didnt enter these one
 though. under review and Yet to be tuned later on.


 Thanks For Ur Toughts Missy... U always bring a good point of view...
 On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.comwrote:



 *I'm worried about CIC. They're just rich big fat sitting duck. You can
 create a good looking proposal, walk to their office, tell them you have a
 good investment opportunity, bring them to dinner at expensive restaurant.
 Soon they will pour you with munnnyyy.

 There's always be the magic words 'debt restruct' and that often happens
 on Bakrie Group. I didn't say CIC is not smart, I'm just saying that Bumi
 mgt is waay smarter (in a sarcastic way), and CIC is too big to watch over
 this 'naughty boy'..

 I wonder, why did you pick BUMI?

 Elaine
 *
  On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:24 PM, kang_ocoy_maen_saham 
 disclosure@gmail.com wrote:

 To The Extreme, Yes Missy, I am deeply worried, hence my deep concern
 (C'mon I Hold Some Pile Of BUMI too in My Portfolio, i dont like to cash-in
 at this level and unload it now but if the shareholder value is furtherly
 ruined by bad cash management, sure miss, i'll jump the boat and bundle the
 gain. safety first, that is what i was ordered to ensure...)

 Current CashFlow Figure Is Already Bleak Enough Even without extra 250Mn
 P/A Cash Coupon Payment. U know what i was talkin... All that worth for
 equity holders is freecashflow...

 Things would be Okay If the 1.9 Bio is properly directed.(Uhm Can U
 Whisper Their Ears to do so ^_^...)

 What do u say about BUMI's Management Effectiveness Missy?

 Care Sharing Us Your PERSONAL Tought of them?


 Greatly Appreciated... Thanks Before...



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 wrote:
 
  *E.. did you say JUMP OUT? you're worried about the management
  effectiveness, are you?
 
  Elaine**
  *




 

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Re: [ob] Re: Mohon maaf lahir dan bathin... Puasa dan Trading

2009-09-23 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*Ed, you're a wise man. Let me ask a question, what is true happiness?

Elaine**
*
2009/9/23 Edwin B edwin...@yahoo.com




 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@...
 wrote:
 
  Kemenangan yg terbesar bukanlah kemenangan melawan musuh
  tapisanggup menang melawan diri sendiri seperti:
  - Sanggup menang melawan Basic Need seperti rasa haus dan lapar.
  - Sanggup menang melawan Nafsu dasar seperti Nafsu Sex
  - Sanggup menang melawan Fikiran buruk: Curiga, Iri hati, dengki,
  cemburu, ingin memiliki yg bukan haknya.
  - Sanggup menang melawan Kebiasaan: Merokok, Minum2, Trading (
  pak JT lulus engga ?).
 
  Embah yakin orang orang yg berhasil menang saat puasa punya sifat yg
  LEBIH cocok untuk Trading saham, betoel engga pak JT ?.
 
  SELAMAT HARI RAYA IDUL FITRI 1430H
  MOHON MAAF LAHIR dan BATIN
 
  ...
  Embah
 

 Mohon maap agak terlambat beberapa hari... [image: :)]

 ...

 Dalam kerendahan hati ada ketinggian budi
 Dalam kemiskinan harta ada kekayaan jiwa
 Dalam kesempatan hidup ada keluasan ilmu

 *Hidup ini indah jika segala karena ALLAH SWT*

 Untuk warga OB yg merayakan turut Mengucapkan :

 * SELAMAT HARI RAYA IDUL FITRI 1430H
  MOHON MAAF LAHIR dan BATIN*


 .

  Kemenangan yg terbesar bukanlah kemenangan melawan musuh
  tapi sanggup menang melawan diri sendiri seperti:

  - Sanggup menang melawan Basic Need seperti rasa haus dan lapar.
  - Sanggup menang melawan Nafsu dasar seperti Nafsu Sex
  - Sanggup menang melawan Fikiran buruk: Curiga, Iri hati, dengki,
  cemburu, ingin memiliki yg bukan haknya.
  - Sanggup menang melawan Kebiasaan: Merokok, Minum2, Trading (
  pak JT lulus engga ?).


 ..
 *
 (Sekedar dongeng mumpung masih libur, by pass jika tdk perlu...) *[image:
 :)]

 Berikut sedikit menambahkan definisi napsu dan mengalahkan hawa napsu dalam
 dongeng Wayang :
 dengan lakon[image: :)]

 SASTRA JENDRA HAYUNINGRAT  [image: :D]

 *(Rangkuman)*

 Sumber :
 http://www.jiwantoro.com/index.php/Article/2-Jawa/44-Sastra%20Jendra%20Hayuningrat

 Uraian singkat tentang Sastra Jendra Hayuningrat Pangruwating Diyu ini
 berdasarkan Buku Tripama Watak Satrio dan Sastra Jendra karya Ir. Sri
 Mulyono.

 Secara harfiah *Sastra Jendra berasal dari kata sastra yang berarti tulis,
 ilmu atau kitab*. Sedangkan *jendra berarti milik raja atau 
 Gusti*.*Hayuningrat
 berarti keselamatan umat dan dunia semesta*.

 Sastra jendra dalam dunia pewayangan dikenal diajarkan oleh *begawan
 Wisrawa dan juga diajarkan oleh Bima dalam lakon Bima Suci atau Nawaruci*atau 
 Sena Rodra juga dikenal dengan lakon Bima Paksa.

 Konon syarat utama yang mutlak harus ditempuh bagi manusia yang ingin
 mencapai ilmu sastra jendra harus mampu menahan diri, atau mampu
 mengendalikan hawa nafsu, yaitu  *mampu menahan atau menyingkirkan nafsu
 angkata, nafsu perut, dan nafsu kelamin (cegah dahar lan guling) dengan
 jalan berpuasa.*

 *Nafsu angkara dalam pewayangan dilambangkan dengan Raksasa*, sedangkan*nafsu 
 guling dilambangkan dengan wanita.
 *

 Resi Wisrawa pada waktu itu baru berhasil menyingkirkan nafsu perut
 (aluamah) dan nafsu amarah yang dilambangkan bahwa Resi Wisrawa berhasil
 membunuh secara sadis dan memotong-motong badan Raksasa Jambumangil, yaitu
 saudara misan Dewi Sukesi.

 Karena tindakan Resi Wisrawa itu maka hukum karma menimpa anaknya
 Kumbakarna. Kematian Kumbakarna dalam keadaan mengenaskan/mengerikan dalam
 perang Kera dan Ceritera Ramayana. Kematiannya dimulai dari telinga putus,
 tangan putus, kaki satu-persatu putus dan akhirnya lehernya terpisah dari
 badannya (gembung).

 Ini hukum karma tetapi sekaligus melambangkan keberhasilan Resi Wisrawa
 dalam menumpas/membunuh nafsu angkaranya, biarpun akhirnya ia tergelincir
 dalam nafsu kelamin dan dalam lembah kenistaan (ia melahirkan Rahwana atau
 Dasamuka yang melambangkan sepuluh nafsu angkara berasal dari lima nafsu
 Wusrawa dan lima Sukesi, yaitu *amarah, mutmainah, supiah, aluaman dah
 mulhimah.*


 Sumber : http://bharatayudha.multiply.com/journal/item/74

 Untuk mendapatkan ilham atau wisik.Ada tahapan atau tingkat yang harus
 dilakukan yaitu :

 *Tapaning jasad*, yang berarti mengendalikan daya gerak tubuh atau
 kegiatannya.
 *Tapaning budi*, yang berarti menghindari perbuatan yang terhina dan
 segala hal yang bersifat tidak jujur.
 *Tapaning hawa nafsu*, yang berarti mengendalikan hawa nafsu atau sifat
 angkara murka dari diri pribadi.
 *Tapaning sukma*, yang berarti memenangkan jiwa.
 *Tapaning cahya*, yang berarti selalu awas(eling) dan waspada serta
 mempunyai daya visi sesuatu secara tepat.
 *Tapaning gesang*, yang berarti berusaha berjuang sebaik mungkin secara
 berhati-hati, kearah kesempurnaan hidup atau selalu taat kepada Tuhan Yang
 Maha Esa.


 Sumber :
 http://alangalangkumitir.wordpress.com/category/rahasia-sastra-jendra-hayuningrat/

 Dan berikut cerita selangkapnya [image: ;)]

 *RAHASIA

Re: BLS: Re: [ob] Re: Mohon maaf lahir dan bathin... Puasa dan Trading

2009-09-23 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*Sorry but there's no right or wrong in one's happiness as it's subjective.
Anyway how do you give (share?) your happiness to others? do you give them
money? do you share your sadness to others too or keep it to urself?

Boyz, Embah, JT, Rei, Fifi, Aimee, Art, what's your true happiness?*

2009/9/23 eliasefe...@yahoo.com

 Wrong...the happiness is...when u can give the other part of ur
 happinessn make them happy...

 Terkirim dari telepon Nokia saya
 -Pesan Asli-
 Dari: Matt Nowo
 Terkirim:  23/09/2009 13:30:41
 Subjek:  Re: [ob] Re: Mohon maaf lahir dan bathin... Puasa dan Trading

 True happiness is when you have nothing more in need. :-)

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 -Original Message-
 From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com
 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:27:32
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [ob] Re: Mohon maaf lahir dan bathin... Puasa dan Trading

 *Ed, you're a wise man. Let me ask a question, what is true happiness?

 Elaine**
 *
 2009/9/23 Edwin B edwin...@yahoo.com

 
 
 
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@
 ...
  wrote:
  
   Kemenangan yg terbesar bukanlah kemenangan melawan musuh
   tapisanggup menang melawan diri sendiri seperti:
   - Sanggup menang melawan Basic Need seperti rasa haus dan lapar.
   - Sanggup menang melawan Nafsu dasar seperti Nafsu Sex
   - Sanggup menang melawan Fikiran buruk: Curiga, Iri hati, dengki,
   cemburu, ingin memiliki yg bukan haknya.
   - Sanggup menang melawan Kebiasaan: Merokok, Minum2, Trading (
   pak JT lulus engga ?).
  
   Embah yakin orang orang yg berhasil menang saat puasa punya sifat yg
   LEBIH cocok untuk Trading saham, betoel engga pak JT ?.
  
   SELAMAT HARI RAYA IDUL FITRI 1430H
   MOHON MAAF LAHIR dan BATIN
  
   ...
   Embah
  
 
  Mohon maap agak terlambat beberapa hari... [image: :)]
 
  ...
 
  Dalam kerendahan hati ada ketinggian budi
  Dalam kemiskinan harta ada kekayaan jiwa
  Dalam kesempatan hidup ada keluasan ilmu
 
  *Hidup ini indah jika segala karena ALLAH SWT*
 
  Untuk warga OB yg merayakan turut Mengucapkan :
 
  * SELAMAT HARI RAYA IDUL FITRI 1430H
   MOHON MAAF LAHIR dan BATIN*
 
 
  .
 
   Kemenangan yg terbesar bukanlah kemenangan melawan musuh
   tapi sanggup menang melawan diri sendiri seperti:
 
   - Sanggup menang melawan Basic Need seperti rasa haus dan lapar.
   - Sanggup menang melawan Nafsu dasar seperti Nafsu Sex
   - Sanggup menang melawan Fikiran buruk: Curiga, Iri hati, dengki,
   cemburu, ingin memiliki yg bukan haknya.
   - Sanggup menang melawan Kebiasaan: Merokok, Minum2, Trading (
   pak JT lulus engga ?).
 
 
  ..
  *
  (Sekedar dongeng mumpung masih libur, by pass jika tdk perlu...) *[image:
  :)]
 
  Berikut sedikit menambahkan definisi napsu dan mengalahkan hawa napsu
 dalam
  dongeng Wayang :
  dengan lakon[image: :)]
 
  SASTRA JENDRA HAYUNINGRAT  [image: :D]
 
  *(Rangkuman)*
 
  Sumber :
 
 http://www.jiwantoro.com/index.php/Article/2-Jawa/44-Sastra%20Jendra%20Hayuningrat
 
  Uraian singkat tentang Sastra Jendra Hayuningrat Pangruwating Diyu ini
  berdasarkan Buku Tripama Watak Satrio dan Sastra Jendra karya Ir. Sri
  Mulyono.
 
  Secara harfiah *Sastra Jendra berasal dari kata sastra yang berarti
 tulis,
  ilmu atau kitab*. Sedangkan *jendra berarti milik raja atau
 Gusti*.*Hayuningrat
  berarti keselamatan umat dan dunia semesta*.
 
  Sastra jendra dalam dunia pewayangan dikenal diajarkan oleh *begawan
  Wisrawa dan juga diajarkan oleh Bima dalam lakon Bima Suci atau
 Nawaruci*atau Sena Rodra juga dikenal dengan lakon Bima Paksa.
 
  Konon syarat utama yang mutlak harus ditempuh bagi manusia yang ingin
  mencapai ilmu sastra jendra harus mampu menahan diri, atau mampu
  mengendalikan hawa nafsu, yaitu  *mampu menahan atau menyingkirkan nafsu
  angkata, nafsu perut, dan nafsu kelamin (cegah dahar lan guling) dengan
  jalan berpuasa.*
 
  *Nafsu angkara dalam pewayangan dilambangkan dengan Raksasa*,
 sedangkan*nafsu guling dilambangkan dengan wanita.
  *
 
  Resi Wisrawa pada waktu itu baru berhasil menyingkirkan nafsu perut
  (aluamah) dan nafsu amarah yang dilambangkan bahwa Resi Wisrawa berhasil
  membunuh secara sadis dan memotong-motong badan Raksasa Jambumangil,
 yaitu
  saudara misan Dewi Sukesi.
 
  Karena tindakan Resi Wisrawa itu maka hukum karma menimpa anaknya
  Kumbakarna. Kematian Kumbakarna dalam keadaan mengenaskan/mengerikan
 dalam
  perang Kera dan Ceritera Ramayana. Kematiannya dimulai dari telinga
 putus,
  tangan putus, kaki satu-persatu putus dan akhirnya lehernya terpisah dari
  badannya (gembung).
 
  Ini hukum karma tetapi sekaligus melambangkan keberhasilan Resi Wisrawa
  dalam menumpas/membunuh nafsu angkaranya, biarpun akhirnya ia tergelincir
  dalam nafsu kelamin dan dalam lembah kenistaan (ia melahirkan Rahwana
 atau
  Dasamuka yang melambangkan sepuluh nafsu

Re: [ob] Re: Mohon maaf lahir dan bathin... Puasa dan Trading

2009-09-23 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*I see.. your true happiness is one of a kind. It's called 'googling'..
lolz.. [?]

Elaine**
*
2009/9/23 Edwin saking Kediri edwin...@yahoo.com




 Apalah artinya mengerti makna tanpa tersampikan dalam Perbuatan [image:
 ;)]

 Arti Kebahagiaan menurut Pak MT aja ya : [image: :-B]

 Kebahagiaan adalah kegembiraan dalam kedamaian yang penuh kesyukuran. 

 http://salamsuper.com/mario-teguh-golden-ways

 How To Make...bla bla [image: :D]

 http://www.scribd.com/doc/9399954/Make-Ur-Life-Full-of-Happiness

 ...

 Tambahan Youtube [image: ;)]

 Djarum 76 mawar kembang desahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE9nvjLPgvs


 Jadi...Sebutkan satu permintaan ? monggo...(laksanaken.) [image: :))]


 http://www.scribd.com/doc/9399954/Make-Ur-Life-Full-of-HappinessYg
 penting.  [image: :p]



 Tks

 *Regards*


 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote:
 
  *Ed, you're a wise man. Let me ask a question, what is true happiness?
 
  Elaine**
  *
  2009/9/23 Edwin B edwin...@...

 
  
  
  
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant
 jsx-consultant@
   wrote:
   
Kemenangan yg terbesar bukanlah kemenangan melawan musuh
tapisanggup menang melawan diri sendiri seperti:
- Sanggup menang melawan Basic Need seperti rasa haus dan lapar.
- Sanggup menang melawan Nafsu dasar seperti Nafsu Sex
- Sanggup menang melawan Fikiran buruk: Curiga, Iri hati, dengki,
cemburu, ingin memiliki yg bukan haknya.
- Sanggup menang melawan Kebiasaan: Merokok, Minum2, Trading (
pak JT lulus engga ?).
   
Embah yakin orang orang yg berhasil menang saat puasa punya sifat yg
LEBIH cocok untuk Trading saham, betoel engga pak JT ?.
   
SELAMAT HARI RAYA IDUL FITRI 1430H
MOHON MAAF LAHIR dan BATIN
   
...
Embah
   
  
   Mohon maap agak terlambat beberapa hari... [image: :)]
  
   ...
  
   Dalam kerendahan hati ada ketinggian budi
   Dalam kemiskinan harta ada kekayaan jiwa
   Dalam kesempatan hidup ada keluasan ilmu
  
   *Hidup ini indah jika segala karena ALLAH SWT*
  
   Untuk warga OB yg merayakan turut Mengucapkan :
  
   * SELAMAT HARI RAYA IDUL FITRI 1430H
MOHON MAAF LAHIR dan BATIN*
  
  
   .
  
Kemenangan yg terbesar bukanlah kemenangan melawan musuh
tapi sanggup menang melawan diri sendiri seperti:
  
- Sanggup menang melawan Basic Need seperti rasa haus dan lapar.
- Sanggup menang melawan Nafsu dasar seperti Nafsu Sex
- Sanggup menang melawan Fikiran buruk: Curiga, Iri hati, dengki,
cemburu, ingin memiliki yg bukan haknya.
- Sanggup menang melawan Kebiasaan: Merokok, Minum2, Trading (
pak JT lulus engga ?).
  
  
   ..
   *
 


 

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Re: [ob] Kang Bagus - Apakah Indonesia meminta Inflow Hot Money untuk masuk Kontrak Berjangka Currency?

2009-09-22 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*eh.. is this guy angry with me?*

2009/9/22 Hoki Tralala hoki.tral...@gmail.com



 EL berisik ahh!!!
 Diam dunk EL.master mind-nya aja pada diem kok km pada teriak2..


 On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:



 *China doesn't use free float for the renminbi yet their stock markets
 are among the best. Note that pegged currency only works if you have huge
 reserve, so It really depends.

 China has $2 trillions of fgn (USD) reserve, Japan has $1 trillions.
 Indonesia has $0.05 trillions (lol), so Renminbi and Yen are fixed, IDR is
 free float. In 1997 IDR was pegged to the USD (at IDR 2000 something)  but
 then when something bad come up, and if ppl sees that you don't have
 enough reserve, they may SHORT your currency.

 Same thing happened to poundsterling in 1992 (Soros made fortune on this
 one by shorting $10 billions worth of poundsterling, hell that's 1/5 of your
 total fgn reserve, so 5 ppl like soros technically can bring Indonesia
 down..sorry)

 That's why your govt is selling treasury bonds so much, so everyone will
 'protect' the IDR from falling. ehhh, those ppl at the govt are smart, so
 does your vice prosident, you have to trust them and let them work.

 Elaine**
 *
 2009/9/18 mr_...@yahoo.com



 Devisa bebas bagus untuk stock market,

 Sejak thailand kontrol devisa stock market nya ngga menarik lagi.

 Karena risk premium susah keluar mesti di kalkulasi dalam harga ...

 Bursa kite kan paling wu ... Kalo dikontrol menurut hitungan kasar ya
 jebol 1000 lah bej

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 *Date: *Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:34:25 +
 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [ob] Kang Bagus - Apakah Indonesia meminta Inflow Hot
 Money untuk masuk Kontrak Berjangka Currency?

 Setauk saya yang telah menerapkan semacam Chilian tax di asean adalah
 malay n thailand. FDI/portfolio investment harus stay beberapa waktu.

 Indonesia, dalam UU no 24 thn 1999 menyatakan kita (memilih) menganut
 regime devisa bebas. Dalam kondisi aparatur negara yang belum tertib, maka
 agak riskan apabila menggunakan regime control devisa.

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 *Date: *Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:41:54 +1000
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 *Subject: *[ob] Kang Bagus - Apakah Indonesia meminta Inflow Hot Money
 untuk masuk Kontrak Berjangka Currency?



 Den Bagus... Tulung tanya,

 Saya dengar Negara-negara Asean laen menerapkan pembatasan fluktuasi mata
 uang.  Cara mereka, dengan meminta dana Hot Money yang tidak melakukan FDI
 untuk masuk kontrak berjangka currency (jadi kurs masuk keluarnya sudah
 tidak terlalu besar lagi).

 Apakah Indonesia ada rencana untuk menerapkan sistem ini? Maksudnya untuk
 mengurangi spekulasi mata uang yang merusak sendi-sendi ekonomi.

Re: Bls: [ob] Simbol USD Dollar index di Google finance ?

2009-09-22 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*Indonesia is well known to have bad public transportation (cmiw), so the
demand of private vehicle will be still high. If you have good, comfortable
and affordable MRT you won't need to buy a car. But don't worry about Astra
in the long run since they also play in infrastructure..**
*
*My 2 cents.*

2009/9/22 jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id

 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, w | i | d | h | i | e wid...@...
 wrote:
 
  Dollar uda di bawah 10rb, tp kenapa harga mobil ndak turun2 yah, (maaf
 mbah, OOT)

 Harga mobil ditentukan distributor/fabrikan untuk suatu periode,
 jadi berbeda misanya dengan harga computer yg importirnya banyak dan
 mereka bersaing harga.

 Jika importir 1 tidak mau nurunin harga maka akan ada distributor
 lain yg nurunin harga dan memaksa importir 1 nurunin harga.










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  Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:50:46
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: Bls: [ob] Simbol USD Dollar index di Google finance ?
 
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, kobayashi mitsukuni
 ueno_kobayashi@ wrote:
  
   MBAH...hehhe...yg saya klik ini dapatnya ...dollar dgn gambar Bumi..jd
 dollarv tetap menguasai permukaan bumi bgt ya,...Mbah..?
   bingung nich...arah nya yg mana ya...?hahaha..haaa...
  
 
  Teori moneter klasik bilang nilai uang tergantung pada
  jumlah cadangan emas yg dipunyai bank central, jadi kalo
  dollar dicetak terus tapi jumlah cadangan emasnya tidak
  ditambah maka nilai uangnya berkurang.
 
  Tapi coba kita pake logika:
  - Uang itu adalah kertas, tepatnya surat utang. Negara yg
mengeluarkan uang punya commitment untuk membayar dengan
emas pada orang yg mengembalikan uang tsb pada negara
ybs. Jadi logikanya maka cadangan emasnya harus cukup untuk
meng cover semua uang yg beredar.
  - Tapi sistem ini sudah berakhir, umumnya jumlah uang jauh
lebih banyak daripada cadangan emas suatu negara.
  - Obligasi mirip dengan uang dalam arti dua duanya adalah
utang. Apakah emiten yg mengeluarkan surat utang harus punya
emas ?. Jawabannya tidak kan, jadi jumlah cadangan emas
suatu negara bukan satu satunya penentu nilai suatu mata
uang.
 
  Jadi faktor apa lagi yg menentukan nilai suatu mata uang:
  - Suku bunga, bertambah tinggi suku bunga yg ditawarkan,
bertambah kuat mata uang tsb.
  - Inflasi, bertambah besar angka inflasi suatu negara
maka makin turun nilai mata uangnya, agar orang mau
pegang terpaksa negara menawarkan suku bunga yg tinggi
untuk menutupi inflasi.
  - Cadangan devisa, utang antar negara harus disettle dengan
menggunakan cadangan devisa, jika cadangan devisanya kecil
maka resiko tidak bisa bayar besar (bangkrut secara moneter).
  - Cadangan devisa ditentukan oleh selisih export dan import,
Foreign investment dan kebalikannya, pelarian modal dan
kebalikannya
  - Kemampuan bayar suatu negara tentunya tergantung pada
selisih penerimaan negara dikurangi pengeluaran negara,
kalo penerimaan negara besar tentunya uang dan obligasi
suatu negara diminati pasar.
  - Country Risk, kalo resiko politik suatu negara besar,
tentunya nilai mata uang nya lemah dan market meminta
rate yg premium.
  - Contry profile, kalo suatu negara atau pemerintahan suka
ngemplang, nunda bayar utang, sering minta rescheduling,
tentunya pasar meminta rate tambahan untuk mengcover
resiko dikemplang.
  - dll
 
  Jadi ada banyak faktor yg menentukan nilai mata uang, nah
  sekarang faktor apa yg membuat dollar masih dipegang orang
  meskipun orang bilang dollar mau ke goceng ?.
 
  Tanya satu lagi:
  - Kenapa kalo DJI naik, umumnya USD melemah terhadap mata
uang lainnya ?.
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
  
  
  
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   Ada yg tahu apa simbol USD Dollar index di Google finance ?
  
  
  
  
  
 
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[ob] ETF

2009-09-22 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*I'm thinking about ETF in IDX. What do you think about..
*

   - *All-Commodity ETF (GSCI benchmark)
   *
   - *MSCI-EMI ETF
   *
   - *Bakrie Seven ETF (hey, can't live without 'em..lolz)
   *
   - *All-Defensive ETF (consumers, telecomms, infrastructure)*
   - *Crude Oil ETF, USDIDR ETF, etc*

*Note that each ETF has its own SHORT version. (All commodity Short ETF,
Bakrie Seven Short ETF, etc). **Do you think these kind of products will
sell in IDX? Instead of buying individual stock, you can invest like a pro
by buying ETF. Please share your opinion..

Thanks.

Elaine*

Re: [ob] Mengapa Lehman Brothers di biarkan bangkrut ?

2009-09-21 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*Dear all, it's Citigroup, an all-around financial service company, not
(just) Citibank, which is the banking arm and subsidiary of Citigroup..lmao
but okay whatever leh..

Elaine**
*
2009/9/21 t_bumi t_b...@yahoo.co.id

 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Jacob Oen oenja...@... wrote:
 
  Itu berati yang 37% milik public, salah satu-nya t_bumi and the gang
 (baca group) apa betul pak t_bumi?
 
  Hehehe.
 
  Sip : tbumi

 Citibank harga sahamnya akan turun karena :

 1) Pemerintah mau jual kepemilikannya ke investor. Pada saat

   pemerintah memberi suntikan dana ke Citibank, nilai saham

   Citibank disaat itu sekitar $3.25/Lbr dan diharga tsb pemerintah

   masuk ke Citibank, jadi ada kemungkinan besar investor akan

   beli saham tsb sesuai dgn harga di $3.25 dan bukan seperti

   harga market di $4.25 saat ini.

 2) Citibank akan melakukan reverse Stock dlm waktu dekat ini.

   Biasanya saham tsb akan turun seperti yg terjadi dgn AIG

   beberapa waktu lalu 20:1

 Kenapa tak beli saham Casino yang terbesar didunia yaitu WYNN

 yg akan IPO di Hongkong. WYNN ada juga di Las vegas dan Macau.

 Biasanya saham IPO kan bolanya masih panas.









 

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Re: [ob] Kang Bagus - Apakah Indonesia meminta Inflow Hot Money untuk masuk Kontrak Berjangka Currency?

2009-09-21 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*China doesn't use free float for the renminbi yet their stock markets are
among the best. Note that pegged currency only works if you have huge
reserve, so It really depends.

China has $2 trillions of fgn (USD) reserve, Japan has $1 trillions.
Indonesia has $0.05 trillions (lol), so Renminbi and Yen are fixed, IDR is
free float. In 1997 IDR was pegged to the USD (at IDR 2000 something)  but
then when something bad come up, and if ppl sees that you don't have enough
reserve, they may SHORT your currency.

Same thing happened to poundsterling in 1992 (Soros made fortune on this one
by shorting $10 billions worth of poundsterling, hell that's 1/5 of your
total fgn reserve, so 5 ppl like soros technically can bring Indonesia
down..sorry)

That's why your govt is selling treasury bonds so much, so everyone will
'protect' the IDR from falling. ehhh, those ppl at the govt are smart, so
does your vice prosident, you have to trust them and let them work.

Elaine**
*
2009/9/18 mr_...@yahoo.com



 Devisa bebas bagus untuk stock market,

 Sejak thailand kontrol devisa stock market nya ngga menarik lagi.

 Karena risk premium susah keluar mesti di kalkulasi dalam harga ...

 Bursa kite kan paling wu ... Kalo dikontrol menurut hitungan kasar ya
 jebol 1000 lah bej

 Sent from my AXIS Worry Free BlackBerry® smartphone
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 *From: * Matt Nowo inf...@gmail.com
 *Date: *Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:34:25 +
 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [ob] Kang Bagus - Apakah Indonesia meminta Inflow Hot Money
 untuk masuk Kontrak Berjangka Currency?

 Setauk saya yang telah menerapkan semacam Chilian tax di asean adalah
 malay n thailand. FDI/portfolio investment harus stay beberapa waktu.

 Indonesia, dalam UU no 24 thn 1999 menyatakan kita (memilih) menganut
 regime devisa bebas. Dalam kondisi aparatur negara yang belum tertib, maka
 agak riskan apabila menggunakan regime control devisa.

 Sent from my BearBerry®
 powered by ISAT  TLKM
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 *From: * Wong Cilik gajahpelan...@gmail.com
 *Date: *Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:41:54 +1000
 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject: *[ob] Kang Bagus - Apakah Indonesia meminta Inflow Hot Money
 untuk masuk Kontrak Berjangka Currency?



 Den Bagus... Tulung tanya,

 Saya dengar Negara-negara Asean laen menerapkan pembatasan fluktuasi mata
 uang.  Cara mereka, dengan meminta dana Hot Money yang tidak melakukan FDI
 untuk masuk kontrak berjangka currency (jadi kurs masuk keluarnya sudah
 tidak terlalu besar lagi).

 Apakah Indonesia ada rencana untuk menerapkan sistem ini? Maksudnya untuk
 mengurangi spekulasi mata uang yang merusak sendi-sendi ekonomi.

Re: [ob] Kang Bagus - Apakah Indonesia meminta Inflow Hot Money untuk masuk Kontrak Berjangka Currency?

2009-09-21 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*I dunno how to say, it's complicated, but it works ^_^ If you buy IDR
bonds, you really don't want the currency to decline.

China has the most US treasury bonds, so USD won't fall as it will hurt
their export. But the Fed keeps printing money to bail out their banks, so
China got to buy more US debts. China wants to diversify their reserve to
gold, but US has the most gold in the world, any attempt to buy large sum of
gold will drive the price higher. It's really a war..

To make it simple, you should think that currency (and gold) reserve as
EQUITY, and total debt as DEBT, so you will know which country has the best
DEBT to EQUITY ratio (DER)

High DER means the country is aggresive with its monetary policy but the
risk of bankruptcy (either default or devaluation) is also high. (but please
take careful proportion such as trade deficit/surplus, the nature of GDP -
service/manufacture/natural resources oriented, etc). So it depends.

Fed money printing is like to RIGHT ISSUE, more paper, less value. Diluted.

Ahhh... so tired, I need to take a bath rite now.. will continue later
..sorry..  no peeking or I will cut your testicles.. [evil laugh][?]

Elaine*

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Bambang Irwanto bemben...@yahoo.comwrote:

  *
 **right now, Indonesia Govt. Bond Outstanding is RP
 974,297,524,463,886.00,*
 *I guest we'll stay at free float for some time with **$0.1 trillions outs
 bond and $0.05 trillions reserve.*
 *
 *
 *How could $0.1 trillions 'protect' the IDR from falling?
 *
 --- On *Mon, 9/21/09, Pak AA pakaa2...@gmail.com* wrote:


 From: Pak AA pakaa2...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [ob] Kang Bagus - Apakah Indonesia meminta Inflow Hot Money
 untuk masuk Kontrak Berjangka Currency?
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 6:58 PM




 As always you look smart lol ... you must be smart for real
 BTW, which vice president do you mean, the current VP or the next one
 who'll be in power in this October? Isn't it the finance minister's idea to
 sell treasury bond...

 On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ 
 gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=elainesu...@gmail.com
  wrote:



 *China doesn't use free float for the renminbi yet their stock markets
 are among the best. Note that pegged currency only works if you have huge
 reserve, so It really depends.

 China has $2 trillions of fgn (USD) reserve, Japan has $1 trillions.
 Indonesia has $0.05 trillions (lol), so Renminbi and Yen are fixed, IDR is
 free float. In 1997 IDR was pegged to the USD (at IDR 2000 something)  but
 then when something bad come up, and if ppl sees that you don't have
 enough reserve, they may SHORT your currency.

 Same thing happened to poundsterling in 1992 (Soros made fortune on this
 one by shorting $10 billions worth of poundsterling, hell that's 1/5 of your
 total fgn reserve, so 5 ppl like soros technically can bring Indonesia
 down..sorry)

 That's why your govt is selling treasury bonds so much, so everyone will
 'protect' the IDR from falling. ehhh, those ppl at the govt are smart, so
 does your vice prosident, you have to trust them and let them work.

 Elaine**
 *
 2009/9/18 mr_...@yahoo. com http://mc/compose?to=mr_...@yahoo.com



 Devisa bebas bagus untuk stock market,

 Sejak thailand kontrol devisa stock market nya ngga menarik lagi.

 Karena risk premium susah keluar mesti di kalkulasi dalam harga ...

 Bursa kite kan paling wu ... Kalo dikontrol menurut hitungan kasar ya
 jebol 1000 lah bej

 Sent from my AXIS Worry Free BlackBerry® smartphone
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 comhttp://mc/compose?to=inf...@gmail.com

 *Date: *Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:34:25 +
 *To: *obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. 
 comhttp://mc/compose?to=obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com
 
 *Subject: *Re: [ob] Kang Bagus - Apakah Indonesia meminta Inflow Hot
 Money untuk masuk Kontrak Berjangka Currency?

 Setauk saya yang telah menerapkan semacam Chilian tax di asean adalah
 malay n thailand. FDI/portfolio investment harus stay beberapa waktu.

 Indonesia, dalam UU no 24 thn 1999 menyatakan kita (memilih) menganut
 regime devisa bebas. Dalam kondisi aparatur negara yang belum tertib, maka
 agak riskan apabila menggunakan regime control devisa.

 Sent from my BearBerry®
 powered by ISAT  TLKM
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 *From: * Wong Cilik gajahpelanduk@ 
 gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=gajahpelan...@gmail.com

 *Date: *Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:41:54 +1000
 *To: *obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. 
 comhttp://mc/compose?to=obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com
 
 *Subject: *[ob] Kang Bagus - Apakah Indonesia meminta Inflow Hot Money
 untuk masuk Kontrak Berjangka Currency?



 Den Bagus... Tulung tanya,

 Saya dengar Negara-negara Asean laen menerapkan pembatasan fluktuasi mata
 uang.  Cara mereka, dengan meminta dana Hot Money yang tidak melakukan FDI
 untuk masuk kontrak berjangka currency (jadi kurs masuk keluarnya sudah
 tidak terlalu besar lagi).

 Apakah Indonesia ada

Re: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock

*Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm sorry I really can't disclose my pos
more than I'm allowed to.

Anyway, the US national reserve is 78% gold, while China is 0.9% and japan
2%, Indonesia only 3%. So even with the destruction of the dollar value (and
the rise of gold price), the US (not the dollar) will still be considered as
safe haven. Most european countries also have above 30%.

I have a crazy thinking, that whatever any country do, the westerns will
always outsmart everyone. If there's a war, though unlikely, all currencies
will fall (and all paper assets like stocks, bonds) and the Americans are
laughing to us while sitting a big pile of gold bullions.

They know that many countries are holding foreign currency (USD) as their
reserves, so the US WILL PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN, that will bring up
the inflation, devaluate the USD and pushing the GOLD price up. That way,
everyone is INDIRECTLY paying for US debts. Obviously, they are not stupid.*
***

The Chinese are trying to diversify their reserve by buying other
commodities inc. gold, but I don't think they can catch up and I don't think
the US want to sell their gold reserve to anyone as gold is considered as
the base of the economy. I also read that historically Islam teaching
(sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. **Is this
correct? *
*
I won't be so surprised if ppl will start talking about Keynesian Economy
and the Bancor anytime soon. lolz..

Embah sombong sekali tidak mau comment. [?][?]

Elaine**
*
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, iching_prediction 
iching_predict...@yahoo.com wrote:

 ob kurang cewenya nih..pada love you seemua
 ke el..he..he

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  Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy.
 
  Lop u full baby...
 
 
 
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  Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock
 
  *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I
  love you'. [?] Happy hari raya!
 
  Elaine**
  *
  On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote:
 
   *Dear all, would you like to share with me?
  
   **#1 About bonds:..
   I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my
 position
   where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will
 you
   take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock
 traders,
   but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the
   monetary condition.
  
   #2 About currency:...
   ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we
 all
   know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus



 

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*[?][?] Please kasih Elaine technical juga Elaine senang.. [?][?]

Have you tried to analyze intermarket bandarmology?

Elaine**
*
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM, jsx_consultant 
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 Elaine,

 Kalo soal macro economy, embah lebih baik dengerin Elaine dan
 expert ngomong, daripada menuh menuhin mailbox orang dengan posting engga
 bermutu. Embah pernah tahu soal Keynesian dll tapi sekarang
 sudah banyak yg lupa...

 Dari baca2 analisa macro tsb, embah gabungkan dengan analisa embah
 dengan pendekatan Technical dan bandarmologi dan hasilnya adalah
 Marketwise technical yg sering embah posting...


 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote:
 
  *Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm sorry I really can't disclose my pos
  more than I'm allowed to.
 
  Anyway, the US national reserve is 78% gold, while China is 0.9% and
 japan
  2%, Indonesia only 3%. So even with the destruction of the dollar value
 (and
  the rise of gold price), the US (not the dollar) will still be considered
 as
  safe haven. Most european countries also have above 30%.
 
  I have a crazy thinking, that whatever any country do, the westerns will
  always outsmart everyone. If there's a war, though unlikely, all
 currencies
  will fall (and all paper assets like stocks, bonds) and the Americans are
  laughing to us while sitting a big pile of gold bullions.
 
  They know that many countries are holding foreign currency (USD) as their
  reserves, so the US WILL PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN, that will bring
 up
  the inflation, devaluate the USD and pushing the GOLD price up. That way,
  everyone is INDIRECTLY paying for US debts. Obviously, they are not
 stupid.*
  ***
 
  The Chinese are trying to diversify their reserve by buying other
  commodities inc. gold, but I don't think they can catch up and I don't
 think
  the US want to sell their gold reserve to anyone as gold is considered as
  the base of the economy. I also read that historically Islam teaching
  (sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. **Is
 this
  correct? *
  *
  I won't be so surprised if ppl will start talking about Keynesian Economy
  and the Bancor anytime soon. lolz..
 
  Embah sombong sekali tidak mau comment. [?][?]
 
  Elaine**
  *
  On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, iching_prediction 
  iching_predict...@... wrote:
 
   ob kurang cewenya nih..pada love you seemua
   ke el..he..he
  
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.saham@ wrote:
   
   
Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy.
   
Lop u full baby...
   
   
   
Sent from my BlackBerry®
powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT
   
-Original Message-
From: Elaine Sui elainesui83@
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock
   
*If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say
 'Elaine, I
love you'. [?] Happy hari raya!
   
Elaine**
*
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesui83@ wrote:
   
 *Dear all, would you like to share with me?

 **#1 About bonds:..
 I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my
   position
 where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets,
 will
   you
 take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock
   traders,
 but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of
 the
 monetary condition.

 #2 About currency:...
 ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as
 we
   all
 know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade
 surplus
  
  
  
   
  
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*Elaine suka memaksa ya? [?] thank's Embah. -500 is fine to me. Elaine bantu
ya.. Artomoro juga.. together we will have our super-discount!!! (no
actually I'll just wait until the market correct itself, I dunno how and I
dunno when [?])

Elaine**
*
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:41 PM, jsx_consultant 
jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote:

 Prediksi kedepan itu lebih banyak salahnya dari pada benernya.

 Tapi kalo anda insist, ini bayangan embah tentang IHSG kedepan.
 Dan prediksi inipun masih berubah setiap ada perkembangan macro
 economy yg BARU !!!

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 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote:
 
  *[?][?] Please kasih Elaine technical juga Elaine senang.. [?][?]
 
  Have you tried to analyze intermarket bandarmology?
 
  Elaine**
  *
  On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:25 PM, jsx_consultant 
  jsx-consult...@... wrote:
 
   Elaine,
  
   Kalo soal macro economy, embah lebih baik dengerin Elaine dan
   expert ngomong, daripada menuh menuhin mailbox orang dengan posting
 engga
   bermutu. Embah pernah tahu soal Keynesian dll tapi sekarang
   sudah banyak yg lupa...
  
   Dari baca2 analisa macro tsb, embah gabungkan dengan analisa embah
   dengan pendekatan Technical dan bandarmologi dan hasilnya adalah
   Marketwise technical yg sering embah posting...
  
  
   --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesui83@
 wrote:
   
*Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm sorry I really can't disclose my
 pos
more than I'm allowed to.
   
Anyway, the US national reserve is 78% gold, while China is 0.9% and
   japan
2%, Indonesia only 3%. So even with the destruction of the dollar
 value
   (and
the rise of gold price), the US (not the dollar) will still be
 considered
   as
safe haven. Most european countries also have above 30%.
   
I have a crazy thinking, that whatever any country do, the westerns
 will
always outsmart everyone. If there's a war, though unlikely, all
   currencies
will fall (and all paper assets like stocks, bonds) and the Americans
 are
laughing to us while sitting a big pile of gold bullions.
   
They know that many countries are holding foreign currency (USD) as
 their
reserves, so the US WILL PRINT AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN, that will
 bring
   up
the inflation, devaluate the USD and pushing the GOLD price up. That
 way,
everyone is INDIRECTLY paying for US debts. Obviously, they are not
   stupid.*
***
   
The Chinese are trying to diversify their reserve by buying other
commodities inc. gold, but I don't think they can catch up and I
 don't
   think
the US want to sell their gold reserve to anyone as gold is
 considered as
the base of the economy. I also read that historically Islam teaching
(sharia) considers gold as the true investment, which amazes me. **Is
   this
correct? *
*
I won't be so surprised if ppl will start talking about Keynesian
 Economy
and the Bancor anytime soon. lolz..
   
Embah sombong sekali tidak mau comment. [?][?]
   
Elaine**
*
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, iching_prediction 
iching_prediction@ wrote:
   
 ob kurang cewenya nih..pada love you seemua
 ke el..he..he

 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.saham@
 wrote:
 
 
  Yup, it's heavy, but I hope ur slim and not heavy.
 
  Lop u full baby...
 
 
 
  Sent from my BlackBerry®
  powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Elaine Sui elainesui83@
  Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:08:12
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock
 
  *If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say
   'Elaine, I
  love you'. [?] Happy hari raya!
 
  Elaine**
  *
  On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesui83@
 wrote:
 
   *Dear all, would you like to share with me?
  
   **#1 About bonds:..
   I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on
 my
 position
   where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your
 assets,
   will
 you
   take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are
 stock
 traders,
   but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view
 of
   the
   monetary condition.
  
   #2 About currency:...
   ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency
 as
   we
 all
   know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade
   surplus



 

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[ob] $10000000000000000000 question (and $0 answer)

*My answer is:
YES! The EXACT time is SOON AFTER it break 3450. HAHAHAHAHAHA!! SORRY I
CANNT STOP LAGGHING..*
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[ob] Re: $10000000000000000000 question (and $0 answer)

oohh hell what did I just do.. omg sorry.. sorry.. ifeelsobad.com

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:



 *My answer is:
 YES! The EXACT time is SOON AFTER it break 3450. HAHAHAHAHAHA!! SORRY I
 CANNT STOP LAGGHING..*

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Re: [ob] $10000000000000000000 question (and $0 answer)

*Oh come on, lots of ppl has insulted me many times, do you ever feel bad
about it, no? Course not. Don't be so sensitive bout everything unless
you're a girl.. lolz..

I found his question was rather funny that's all,.. I mean, he asked about
another 1000 rally, don't you think it's a bit too much for now? But I know
I shouldn't do that, so I'm sorry. Haryanto, I apologize for what I've done
to you. Please,..

By the way, you're insulting the US president. [?] Even if you're feeling
untalented, you shouldn't do that.

Elaine**
*
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Berrack Obama berrack_ob...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Dear Ms Elaine Sui,

 U must feel so blessed with such a briliant mind and beautifull
 appeareance, yet please realise that not every human being are given such
 talents as u are.

 Please note that intteligent and beauty are not the most important things
 in this world.  There are more important things e.g.. attitude and the way u
 treat others.  Words spoken out from one's mouth express what lies inside
 the soul.

 So please reconsider and be wiser before u insult someone, remember, treat
 others the way u wanna be treated.

 Good Night, Have a nice holidays, and

 SELAMAT LEBARAN BUAT REKAN2 YANG MERAYAKAN, MINAL AIDIN WALFAIDZIN, MOHON
 MAAF KALAU SELAMA INI ADA POSTINGAN SAYA YANG MENYINGGUNG DAN TIDAK BERKENAN
 BAGI REKAN2 SEKALIAN, SEMOGA DAPAT DIMAAFKAN.

 --- On *Fri, 9/18/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com* wrote:


 From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com
 Subject: [ob] $1000 question (and $0 answer)
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 1:08 PM





 *My answer is:
 YES! The EXACT time is SOON AFTER it break 3450. HAHAHAHAHAHA! ! SORRY I
 CANNT STOP LAGGHING..*



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Re: [ob] $10000000000000000000 question (and $0 answer)

*I don't consider myself as a smart person, but it happens that I have
slightly more developed brain, better at creating wealth and dominate all
males in OB. That's all. [?] The outcome? Last year I was verbally raped by
them...

(omg im just joking, come on... you're having a loong holiday, relax a bit
will ya..)
*

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 6:25 AM, iching_prediction 
iching_predict...@yahoo.com wrote:

 wah rame bener pas libur..pake berantem lagi..he..he..ane rasa ini mungkin
 disebabkan ego laki2. banyak yg nga ngerasa nga nyaman cewe lebih smart en
 powerfull. kalo ane sih biasa2 aja, cuma emang dunia ini tidak pernah adil,
 jadi untuk menyiasatinya cewe yg bener2 smart tidak akan terlalu menonjolkan
 diri agar terhindar dari hal2 negatif spt pelecehan,  nga dapet jodoh,
 dll...peace..


 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote:
 
  *Oh come on, lots of ppl has insulted me many times, do you ever feel bad
  about it, no? Course not. Don't be so sensitive bout everything unless
  you're a girl.. lolz..
 
  I found his question was rather funny that's all,.. I mean, he asked
 about
  another 1000 rally, don't you think it's a bit too much for now? But I
 know
  I shouldn't do that, so I'm sorry. Haryanto, I apologize for what I've
 done
  to you. Please,..
 
  By the way, you're insulting the US president. [?] Even if you're feeling
  untalented, you shouldn't do that.
 
  Elaine**
  *
  On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Berrack Obama berrack_ob...@...wrote:
 
   Dear Ms Elaine Sui,
  
   U must feel so blessed with such a briliant mind and beautifull
   appeareance, yet please realise that not every human being are given
 such
   talents as u are.
  
   Please note that intteligent and beauty are not the most important
 things
   in this world.  There are more important things e.g.. attitude and the
 way u
   treat others.  Words spoken out from one's mouth express what lies
 inside
   the soul.
  
   So please reconsider and be wiser before u insult someone, remember,
 treat
   others the way u wanna be treated.
  
   Good Night, Have a nice holidays, and
  




 

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Re: [ob] BUMI maen lagi

2009-09-17 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*Yestday ajak Elaine join, elaine tanya join apa, sedikit bantuan tidak
masalah. [?]

Elaine**
*
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:46 PM, boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:



 Wah, jangan nuduh gitu dong, darling.
 kamu lempar batu sembunyi tangan, nih... buang badan ke gw.
 Let's watch Elaine's action...
 :)




 On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.comwrote:



 *Depends on boyz really. Let's see how good he is! Elaine tahu biasa boyz
 pintar goreng saham, coba bisa kasih gain for me or not.. ^_^  You better
 watch how he's doing today to learn how a real bandar works.

 Thanks.

 Elaine
 *

 On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) 
 cumie...@gmail.com wrote:



 Adaronya Elaine tuh masih belum kejorok

 ===
 BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL!



 On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Hans Kwee hanskwe...@gmail.comwrote:



 Komo di jorokin mbah...
 IHSG nya di kunci

 sabar2... orang sabar di sayang Tuhan...
 Cari THR susah2 gampang ya

 thx
 Hans




 On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:17 AM, David Lau dj_davi...@yahoo.comwrote:



 Tenkiu abiss mbah... utk komandonya yg jelas  terarah.

 Mudah²an hr ini giliran saya utk dr THR dr BUMI.

 BUMIII Ready Or Not, I'm Comin...!



 Regards,...
  DvD™

 In Te Domine, Speravi Non Confundar In Aeternum
 --


 --
 *From:* jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:09:25 AM
 *Subject:* [ob] BUMI maen lagi



 BUMI maen lagi

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[ob] [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock

2009-09-17 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*Dear all, would you like to share with me?

**#1 About bonds:..
I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position
where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you
take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders,
but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the
monetary condition.

#2 About currency:...
ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all
know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus have
been shrinking vs China (it means your import from China is much bigger than
your export). If this continues, you may get trade deficits, and deficits
may weaken your currency. (and may in return force me to sell bonds)*

#3 About stock:...
India has just having INFLATION on soft commodity sector (food), its ripple
effect may pick up the palm oil demand. (Please elaborate from
fundamental/technical pov). I think it should bring positive sentiment to
the plantation sector (palm oil, corn, soybean)

Embah, what do you think?

Elaine*

** No choice. It depends on your govt action.*

[ob] Re: [Night discussion] bonds, currency, and stock

2009-09-17 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*If you think these topics are too heavy, just be cool and say 'Elaine, I
love you'. [?] Happy hari raya!

Elaine**
*
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:

 *Dear all, would you like to share with me?

 **#1 About bonds:..
 I took big bets on IDR bonds in the past months. If you were on my position
 where your main task is to PROTECT (instead of GROW) your assets, will you
 take the same strategy? If so, why? I know most of you are stock traders,
 but please share your opinion, at least from your point of view of the
 monetary condition.

 #2 About currency:...
 ID govt must be very careful with intervention to the currency as we all
 know that since they signed up with ACFTA, Indonesia's trade surplus have
 been shrinking vs China (it means your import from China is much bigger than
 your export). If this continues, you may get trade deficits, and deficits
 may weaken your currency. (and may in return force me to sell bonds)*

 #3 About stock:...
 India has just having INFLATION on soft commodity sector (food), its ripple
 effect may pick up the palm oil demand. (Please elaborate from
 fundamental/technical pov). I think it should bring positive sentiment to
 the plantation sector (palm oil, corn, soybean)

 Embah, what do you think?

 Elaine*

 ** No choice. It depends on your govt action.*

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[ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :)

*Damn, I'm good. [?]

Elaine**
*
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:

 *
 http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/8826366.html
 *
 Anyway, good job everyone, have a nice weekend. Welcome idr...@5000, 1H10. If
 you plan to buy cars, electronics or any import stuff, *please *wait until
 2010 or late 2009, you may get a 50%-70% discount. Why? cuz factories dump
 everything they have from their warehouses.

 Try finding articles about* 'cheap money'* if you don't understand about
 what I'm talking about.
  *
 Elaine*

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Re: [ob] OOT: Mohon bantuan doa

*If my calculation is right, you and your wife 'made' this baby nine months
ago, where BUMI was below 400. You were down, you wife came to you, then
[hohoho]. So you should name her after Bakrie.  ^_^

Anyway, congrats, man. Send my regards to your wife also.

Elaine**
*
2009/9/16 Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@yahoo.com

 OBers...

 Thomas frederick, mohon bantu doa ya, hari ini menantikan my 1st child.
 Deg2an nihh gw. Hehehe lebih deg2an daripada saat bumi di AR-in kiri 10%
 tiap hari

 dokter bilangnya cewe,

 Meski sy kurang berkontribusi di ob, saya mohon doa ya..

 Semoga ibu dan bayinya selamat.

 Skrg udah bukaan 2, kontraksi 4 menitan.

 Yang tidak mengenal saya, maaf kalo saya memenuhi inbox anda.

 Semoga teman2 mau mengikhlaskan doa supaya anak saya lahir sehat jasmani
 dan rohaninya dan istri juga selamat. It would be a perfect gift.

 Kalo ada bandar yg mau ngasih kado stockpick jg boleh, lmyn utk nutup biaya
 RS. Heheehe Joking :p


 Utk mbah.. Thx utk milisnya di OOT-in




 

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Re: [ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :)

*Of course we can expect intervention from the Fed, but I have no idea
how... Any idea? Coz if the Americans want to boost their export, they can't
keep the 'strong dollar policy', right? Please do some research on this
policy, you may see that this one is merely a lip service just to keep their
bond holders (The ones that fund US = China and Japan) from selling their US
Tbonds.

Elaine**
*
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Joe Grunk joe_gr...@yahoo.com wrote:

 9.400-9.500 dulu deh.

 --- Pada *Rab, 16/9/09, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com* menulis:


 Dari: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com
 Judul: Re: [ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :)
 Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Tanggal: Rabu, 16 September, 2009, 3:39 AM



 5000 will be chaotic maybe for Indonesian exporters...gov't wants a stable
 rate.

 On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:25 PM, 
 ruzli...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=ruzli...@gmail.com
  wrote:



 Sorry EL, Not Gonna Go to 5.000, for short term, akan dijaga
 9500-10.000.

 Mohon Maaf Lahir dan Batin
 --
 *From: * Elaine Sui 
 elainesu...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=elainesu...@gmail.com

 *Date: *Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:09:11 +0700
 *To: 
 *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comhttp://mc/compose?to=obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com
 
 *Subject: *[ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :)



 *Damn, I'm good.

 Elaine**
 *
 On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Elaine Sui 
 elainesu...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=elainesu...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 *
 http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/8826366.html
 *
 Anyway, good job everyone, have a nice weekend. Welcome idr...@5000,
 1H10. If you plan to buy cars, electronics or any import stuff, *please
 *wait until 2010 or late 2009, you may get a 50%-70% discount. Why? cuz
 factories dump everything they have from their warehouses.

 Try finding articles about* 'cheap money'* if you don't understand about
 what I'm talking about.
  *
 Elaine*






 --
 Coba Yahoo! Mail baru yang LEBIH CEPAT. Rasakan bedanya sekarang!
 http://id.mail.yahoo.com

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Re: Bls: [ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :)

*u serious, Joe? gee thanks.

Oh yeah anyway like I said before I only keep bonds at this time, you may
not believe me but I made a sweet 2x% forex gain times some hundreds
billions then you get the picture of my position, thanks to the fall of the
USD. Please don't be angry with me. I just do what I have to do for my
clients. When IDR is strong enough, I will sell them, I promise [?]

Elaine**
*
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Joe Grunk joe_gr...@yahoo.com wrote:

 yes, u'r good.




 --- Pada *Rab, 16/9/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com* menulis:


 Dari: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com
 Judul: [ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :)
 Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Tanggal: Rabu, 16 September, 2009, 3:09 AM



 *Damn, I'm good.

 Elaine**
 *
 On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Elaine Sui 
 elainesu...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=elainesu...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 *
 http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/8826366.html
 *
 Anyway, good job everyone, have a nice weekend. Welcome idr...@5000,
 1H10. If you plan to buy cars, electronics or any import stuff, *please *wait
 until 2010 or late 2009, you may get a 50%-70% discount. Why? cuz
 factories dump everything they have from their warehouses.

 Try finding articles about* 'cheap money'* if you don't understand about
 what I'm talking about.
  *
 Elaine*





 --
  Apakah demonstrasi  turun ke jalan itu hal yang wajar?
 http://id.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ArVePPHO1ZycmPLF76FARzLJRAx.;_ylv=3?qid=20080413223411AAeeuR2
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Re: Bls: [ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :)

*Umm, sorry my bad, I missed your posts. Well it's obvious that weak dollar
should push any commodities higher. Simple math, and everyone already knows
that. But FOR ME I'm more focused on the demand of the commodities themself
(inventories, etc), not just the price. So at this time I prefer to invest
in the debt market, I feel it'd be safer there.

You know initially my target for IDX this year was 'only' 2100 but then
Artomoro9 came and he broke my target.. lolz.. amazing. You don't have to
follow me though, cutey. What I did was common among investment planners.

What if IDX rallies to new all time high? Well, I'll be happy for you
traders. I do.

Elaine**
*


On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:04 PM, boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:



 hehehe...
 sekarang mah udah gini elaine baru deh ngomong forex...
 dulu ditanyain US dollar index kaga jawab :P



 http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/msg159004.html
 http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/msg159842.html

 Salam,



 On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Bagus Putra Perdana 
 disclosure@gmail.com wrote:



 Err.., Do U Collecting the Back-End or the Mid-End of our FR Missy?

 foreigners concentration pick of our sovereign on their portfolio curve do
 tell their strategies..

 u can give me some clue of offshore perspectives to this lovely country..

 mind tellin me?

 our curve is a bit steepening too fast here.. u foreigners must be quite
 religiously bullish on our economy..

 well just dont cash out too soon okay ^_^.. have mercy...u dont do carry
 trade rite?.. ha

 On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.comwrote:



 *u serious, Joe? gee thanks.

 Oh yeah anyway like I said before I only keep bonds at this time, you may
 not believe me but I made a sweet 2x% forex gain times some hundreds
 billions then you get the picture of my position, thanks to the fall of the
 USD. Please don't be angry with me. I just do what I have to do for my
 clients. When IDR is strong enough, I will sell them, I promise [?]

 Elaine*
 *
 *
 On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Joe Grunk joe_gr...@yahoo.com wrote:

  yes, u'r good.




 --- Pada *Rab, 16/9/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com* menulis:


 Dari: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com
 Judul: [ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :)
 Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Tanggal: Rabu, 16 September, 2009, 3:09 AM



 *Damn, I'm good.

 Elaine**
 *
 On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Elaine Sui 
 elainesu...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=elainesu...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 *
 http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/8826366.html
 *
 Anyway, good job everyone, have a nice weekend. Welcome idr...@5000,
 1H10. If you plan to buy cars, electronics or any import stuff, *please
 *wait until 2010 or late 2009, you may get a 50%-70% discount. Why?
 cuz factories dump everything they have from their warehouses.

 Try finding articles about* 'cheap money'* if you don't understand
 about what I'm talking about.
  *
 Elaine*





 --
  Apakah demonstrasi  turun ke jalan itu hal yang wajar?
 http://id.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ArVePPHO1ZycmPLF76FARzLJRAx.;_ylv=3?qid=20080413223411AAeeuR2
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Re: Bls: [ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :)

*Well I did tell you guys that I'm switching to triple A bonds, though I
missed on the gold price. China is desperately need diversification and they
can't buy too much gold without pushing up the price too far.

Interestingly enough, the US has the MOST gold in the world. It's been a
tricky business out there.

Elaine**
*
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:

*Umm, sorry my bad, I missed your posts. Well it's obvious that weak
dollar should push any commodities higher. Simple math, and everyone already
knows that. But FOR ME I'm more focused on the demand of the commodities
themself (inventories, etc), not just the price. So at this time I prefer to
invest in the debt market, I feel it'd be safer there.

You know initially my target for IDX this year was 'only' 2100 but then
Artomoro9 came and he broke my target.. lolz.. amazing. You don't have to
follow me though, cutey. What I did was common among investment planners.

What if IDX rallies to new all time high? Well, I'll be happy for you
traders. I do.

Elaine*
*
*

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:04 PM, boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:

hehehe...
sekarang mah udah gini elaine baru deh ngomong forex...
dulu ditanyain US dollar index kaga jawab :P

http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/msg159004.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/msg159842.html

Salam,

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Bagus Putra Perdana
disclosure@gmail.com wrote:

Err.., Do U Collecting the Back-End or the Mid-End of our FR Missy?

foreigners concentration pick of our sovereign on their portfolio curve
do tell their strategies..

u can give me some clue of offshore perspectives to this lovely country..

mind tellin me?

our curve is a bit steepening too fast here.. u foreigners must be quite
religiously bullish on our economy..

well just dont cash out too soon okay ^_^.. have mercy...u dont do carry
trade rite?.. ha

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.comwrote:

*u serious, Joe? gee thanks.

Oh yeah anyway like I said before I only keep bonds at this time, you
may not believe me but I made a sweet 2x% forex gain times some hundreds
billions then you get the picture of my position, thanks to the fall of the
USD. Please don't be angry with me. I just do what I have to do for my
clients. When IDR is strong enough, I will sell them, I promise [?]

Elaine*
*
*
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Joe Grunk joe_gr...@yahoo.com wrote:

yes, u'r good.

--- Pada *Rab, 16/9/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com* menulis:

Dari: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com
Judul: [ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :)
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Rabu, 16 September, 2009, 3:09 AM

*Damn, I'm good.

Elaine**
*
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Elaine Sui
elainesu...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=elainesu...@gmail.com
wrote:

*
http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/8826366.html
*
Anyway, good job everyone, have a nice weekend. Welcome idr...@5000,
1H10. If you plan to buy cars, electronics or any import stuff, *please
*wait until 2010 or late 2009, you may get a 50%-70% discount. Why?
cuz factories dump everything they have from their warehouses.

Try finding articles about* 'cheap money'* if you don't understand
about what I'm talking about.
*
Elaine*

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Re: Bls: [ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :)

*Bandars IDX jahat sekali. Elaine tidak mau. I prefer not to join the herds,
no pun intended. [?] But thanks for asking, I will join later.*

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:35 PM, boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:



 No problemo, sweety...
 You always ignore me. Hehe...

 I think, there must be more investment planners that have higher target
 more than 2100 :)
 All time high still way to go, 15% upside. Do you really dont want to join?
 Come on, darling...

 Salam,



 On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.comwrote:



 *Umm, sorry my bad, I missed your posts. Well it's obvious that weak
 dollar should push any commodities higher. Simple math, and everyone already
 knows that. But FOR ME I'm more focused on the demand of the commodities
 themself (inventories, etc), not just the price. So at this time I prefer to
 invest in the debt market, I feel it'd be safer there.

 You know initially my target for IDX this year was 'only' 2100 but then
 Artomoro9 came and he broke my target.. lolz.. amazing. You don't have to
 follow me though, cutey. What I did was common among investment planners.

 What if IDX rallies to new all time high? Well, I'll be happy for you
 traders. I do.

 Elaine*
 *
 *


 On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:04 PM, boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:



 hehehe...
 sekarang mah udah gini elaine baru deh ngomong forex...
 dulu ditanyain US dollar index kaga jawab :P



 http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/msg159004.html
 http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/msg159842.html

 Salam,



 On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Bagus Putra Perdana 
 disclosure@gmail.com wrote:



 Err.., Do U Collecting the Back-End or the Mid-End of our FR Missy?

 foreigners concentration pick of our sovereign on their portfolio curve
 do tell their strategies..

 u can give me some clue of offshore perspectives to this lovely
 country..

 mind tellin me?

 our curve is a bit steepening too fast here.. u foreigners must be quite
 religiously bullish on our economy..

 well just dont cash out too soon okay ^_^.. have mercy...u dont do carry
 trade rite?.. ha

 On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.comwrote:



 *u serious, Joe? gee thanks.

 Oh yeah anyway like I said before I only keep bonds at this time, you
 may not believe me but I made a sweet 2x% forex gain times some hundreds
 billions then you get the picture of my position, thanks to the fall of 
 the
 USD. Please don't be angry with me. I just do what I have to do for my
 clients. When IDR is strong enough, I will sell them, I promise [?]

 Elaine*
 *
 *
 On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Joe Grunk joe_gr...@yahoo.comwrote:

  yes, u'r good.




 --- Pada *Rab, 16/9/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com* menulis:


 Dari: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com
 Judul: [ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :)
 Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Tanggal: Rabu, 16 September, 2009, 3:09 AM



 *Damn, I'm good.

 Elaine**
 *
 On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Elaine Sui 
 elainesu...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=elainesu...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 *
 http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/8826366.html
 *
 Anyway, good job everyone, have a nice weekend. Welcome idr...@5000,
 1H10. If you plan to buy cars, electronics or any import stuff, *please
 *wait until 2010 or late 2009, you may get a 50%-70% discount. Why?
 cuz factories dump everything they have from their warehouses.

 Try finding articles about* 'cheap money'* if you don't understand
 about what I'm talking about.
  *
 Elaine*





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Re: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,so????prof jt om tasrul

*Dear boyz, please don't disturb Mrs. Consultant...

mwaahahaha... sorry all..  [?]

Elaine**
*


2009/9/16 boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg



 ehemmm
 that's why you admire him so much? or there's more reason?
 Hehehe...

 Salam,



 2009/9/16 fifi young fifiyoun...@gmail.com



 Mbah mang gitu...menghanyutkan...wkwkwk...


 2009/9/16 boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg



 Hehehe abiz-nya gemezzz lihat respon mBah.



 :P



 2009/9/16 fifi young fifiyoun...@gmail.com



 Aha...
 Boyz semangat betul seh...? hihi...

 2009/9/16 boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg



 Come on, mBah ...
 Dont miss a golden opportunity :)
 It may once in a life time opportunity.
 Hehehe

 komporin-terus.com



 2009/9/16 fifi young fifiyoun...@gmail.com



 Mbah ngeliatin YouTube terus sampe lupa saham...
 hahaha...

 2009/9/16 jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id



 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com,
 fifi young fifiyoun...@... wrote:

 
  Wah...Mbah mau dateng kalo uda dihadiahin
  SL-350 katanya...hihi...[?][?]
 

 Embah maunya mobil yg selain bisa dinaikin tapi harus
 bisa goyang seperti ini:

 Note:
 - Yg lagi puasa jangan liat, ada gambar perempuan sexy !!!
 Kalo sampe batal, engga tanggung jawab yah...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5kTxplKAxQ

  2009/9/15 Elaine Sui elainesu...@...
 
  
  
   *And the award goes to ... Mr. Reichi Rich...*
  
  
   2009/9/15 jku...@...
  
  
  
   Wah tahun depan PTBA bisa 4, dan bukan ngupi2 lagi. Cakeepp.
  
   Salam,
  
   Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry®
   --
   *From: * Rei highwaysta...@...
   *Date: *Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:54:35 +0700
   *To: 
   *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com
 
   *Subject: *Re: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with
 volume,soprof jt om
   tasrul
  
  
  
   Wah boleh aja sih cuma tunggu konfirmasi dari pak JT dulu...kalo
 daftar
   skrg, tapi ketemuannya Sept TAHUN DEPAN gimana? hahaha
  
   2009/9/15 jku...@...
  
  
  
   Kalo gitu pak Rei ane daftar duluan, keburu quota nya penuh.
 Hehehe
  
   Salam,
  
   Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry®
   --
   *From: * Rei highwaysta...@...
   *Date: *Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:33:53 +0700
   *To: 
   *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com
 
   *Subject: *Re: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with
 volume,soprof jt
   om tasrul
  
  
  
   Pak Boyz ikutan ya? Wah tapi kalo banyak warga OB yg ikut, ane
 kabur dah
   hahahah
   Kalo 5-6 org masih oke, lah kalo 50 org? huehehe :-))
  
   2009/9/15 boyz m457...@...
  
  
  
   Oke deh, abis lebaran kita tunggu traktiran kopi dari om Rei
 :p
  
   Salam,
  
  
   2009/9/15 JsxTrader jsxtra...@...
  
   ok.., nanti abis lebaran kite ngupi2 lagi ya boss, janji
 lo
   traktir..., hahaha..., canda...canda...
  
   BTW, sorry sir sms anda kemarin baru ane baca, soalnya
 kecampur sms2
   promosi yg bener2 menyebalkan, jadi saya jrng baca sms...,
 hehe
  
  
   JT
  
  
   --
   *From:* Rei highwaysta...@...
   *To:* 
   obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com
   *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:26:25 PM
   *Subject:* Re: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with
 volume,soprof jt
   om tasrul
  
  
  
   Boleh boss...call me dong.
   Masih lanjut nih ptba.
  
   On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:40 PM, JT jsxtra...@... wrote:
  
  
  
   Kereennn, PTBA best performer for today lah ! Mantap
  
  
  
   Ane juga mau minta traktir Pak Rei Nih…, hehehe
  
  
  
   JT
  
  
  
   [image: ptba.png]
  
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: m457...@... [mailto:m457...@...]
   Sent: 15 September 2009 16:26
   To: JT
   Subject: RE: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with
 volume,soprof jt
   om tasrul
  
  
  
   Udah closing nih prof. Cakep ga?
  
   Udah confirm boleh masuk, blom? hehe..
  
  
  
   Asik dah, ane ditraktir ngopi nih sama pak Rei :p
  
  
  
   salam,
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 















 

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Re: [ob] CoratCoretInfo.... Wajah MEDC

*Medco should benefit from the rise of nat. gas price. Don't forget recently
Medco made an agreement to supply a total of two million tonnes a year of
LNG to Chubu Electric Power and Kansai Electric for 15 years (cmiw)

Fiveteen years!

Elaine**
*
2009/9/16 ari alex ari arialex...@yahoo.com.sg



 Dear


- Sejak tgl 10/09/2009...proses akumulasi...
- Penutupan 16/09/2009...menunjukkan harga dalam trend naik.. menuju
3.100 (Konfirmasi TA)
- Indikator TA..trend turun... kondisi seperti ini...harga cenderung
mengikuti  indikator TAharga cenderung turun
- Kondisi di atas dapat berlawanan ... jika kekuatan beli cukup besar
di atas  akumulasi rata-rata volume transaksi 1 minggu terakhir...
kecenderungan harga dapat kembali kisaran 3.200 (awal agustus 09) ...
- Kinerja keuangan dalam 2 periode terakhir meningkat..


 Disclamer..

 Salam

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 http://sg.rd.yahoo.com/sg/mail/domainchoice/mail/signature/*http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/sg/
 Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail.
 Hurry before someone else does!

Re: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,so????prof jt om tasrul

*Anyway, the coal miners are being insanely bullish recently in US. Should
bring good sentiment (well I think it's just an adjustment of the underlying
currency though)

But who cares about fundamental?

Elaine*

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:16 PM, jacob oen oenja...@yahoo.com wrote:

 pppss a bit correction, Mrs. Consultant meant ibu Fifi?

 If yesEmbah is a Man

 He is a great man

 hehehe

  --
 *From:* jacob oen oenja...@yahoo.com
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:08:34 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,soprof jt om
 tasrul


 *Mrs. Consultant.. .???*

 **

 I thought Embah is a Man, not woman! Is it true?



 It's OK, whatever she/he was.it does not really matter, what matter
 most..she/he has contributed much to the growth OB members.

 Great job!..

  --
 *From:* boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:52:55 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,soprof jt om
 tasrul



 Hahaha
 Oke hon No more :p

 Salam,


 2009/9/16 Elaine Sui elainesui83@ gmail.com elainesu...@gmail.com



 *Dear boyz, please don't disturb Mrs. Consultant.. .

 mwaahahaha.. . sorry all..

 Elaine*
 *
 *





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Re: Bls: [ob] Re: USDIDR 5000, I love you guys :)

*Tomolo Elaine join sedikit saja, for fun. Adaro can?

Elaine**
*
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:21 PM, boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:



 On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:50 PM, boyz m457...@gmail.com wrote:

 Come on, honey... you know lah, they are not that bad if you know what i
 mean.
 If you can't fight them, join them. :) hehe...

 Salam,



 Umm... bukan niat ngajarin sih,
 But i think u should read and practise Sun Tzu's Art of War, hon.

 Salam,

Re: [ob] BUMI maen lagi

*Depends on boyz really. Let's see how good he is! Elaine tahu biasa boyz
pintar goreng saham, coba bisa kasih gain for me or not.. ^_^  You better
watch how he's doing today to learn how a real bandar works.

Thanks.

Elaine
*
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:11 AM, CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) cumie...@gmail.com
 wrote:



 Adaronya Elaine tuh masih belum kejorok

 ===
 BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL!



 On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Hans Kwee hanskwe...@gmail.com wrote:



 Komo di jorokin mbah...
 IHSG nya di kunci

 sabar2... orang sabar di sayang Tuhan...
 Cari THR susah2 gampang ya

 thx
 Hans




 On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:17 AM, David Lau dj_davi...@yahoo.com wrote:



 Tenkiu abiss mbah... utk komandonya yg jelas  terarah.

 Mudah²an hr ini giliran saya utk dr THR dr BUMI.

 BUMIII Ready Or Not, I'm Comin...!



 Regards,...
  DvD™

 In Te Domine, Speravi Non Confundar In Aeternum
 --


 --
 *From:* jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:09:25 AM
 *Subject:* [ob] BUMI maen lagi



 BUMI maen lagi

 http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwbumi.png

Re: [ob] Elaine buy ASII ???

*I didn't do anything to Asia,.. umm no I mean Astra and Bukit Asam. I'm
just sitting here, eating snacks while messing with my FB page. Why Rei
doesn't like me to be happy?.. I thought OB is all about sharing happiness
and joy.

Elaine**
*
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM, idx chivalry idx.chiva...@gmail.comwrote:




 Elaine, re u push ASII ???



 Ogden Nash http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html - 
 The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat.

Re: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,so????prof jt om tasrul

*And the award goes to ... Mr. Reichi Rich...*

2009/9/15 jku...@yahoo.com



 Wah tahun depan PTBA bisa 4, dan bukan ngupi2 lagi. Cakeepp.

 Salam,

 Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry®
 --
 *From: * Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com
 *Date: *Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:54:35 +0700
 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,soprof jt om
 tasrul



 Wah boleh aja sih cuma tunggu konfirmasi dari pak JT dulu...kalo daftar
 skrg, tapi ketemuannya Sept TAHUN DEPAN gimana? hahaha

 2009/9/15 jku...@yahoo.com



 Kalo gitu pak Rei ane daftar duluan, keburu quota nya penuh. Hehehe

 Salam,

 Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry®
 --
 *From: * Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com
 *Date: *Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:33:53 +0700
 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,soprof jt om
 tasrul



 Pak Boyz ikutan ya? Wah tapi kalo banyak warga OB yg ikut, ane kabur dah
 hahahah
 Kalo 5-6 org masih oke, lah kalo 50 org? huehehe :-))

 2009/9/15 boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg



 Oke deh, abis lebaran kita tunggu traktiran kopi dari om Rei :p

 Salam,


 2009/9/15 JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com

 ok.., nanti abis lebaran kite ngupi2 lagi ya boss, janji lo
 traktir..., hahaha..., canda...canda...

 BTW, sorry sir sms anda kemarin baru ane baca, soalnya kecampur sms2
 promosi yg bener2 menyebalkan,  jadi saya jrng baca sms..., hehe


 JT


 --
 *From:* Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:26:25 PM
 *Subject:* Re: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,soprof jt
 om tasrul



 Boleh boss...call me dong.
 Masih lanjut nih ptba.

 On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:40 PM, JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:



  Kereennn, PTBA best performer for today lah ! Mantap



 Ane juga mau minta traktir Pak Rei Nih…, hehehe



 JT



 [image: ptba.png]



 -Original Message-
 From: m457...@yahoo.com.sg [mailto:m457...@yahoo.com.sg]
 Sent: 15 September 2009 16:26
 To: JT
 Subject: RE: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,soprof jt om
 tasrul



 Udah closing nih prof. Cakep ga?

 Udah confirm boleh masuk, blom? hehe..



 Asik dah, ane ditraktir ngopi nih sama pak Rei :p



 salam,













 

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Re: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,so????prof jt om tasrul

*I saw her vid and I must say she's very talented girl, you must be very
proud of her. *

2009/9/15 fifi young fifiyoun...@gmail.com



 Kalo pake SLK 500 takut kecepetan,
 'ga bisa ngeceng cewe2 yang lewat...hahaha...

 2009/9/15 boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg



 Glek.. sesajen-nya mahal juga yah buat bikin mBah nongol. Hehehe...
 Kalo mBah jiwa muda sih, minta-nya SLK 500 Kompressor. :)

 Salam,


 2009/9/15 fifi young fifiyoun...@gmail.com



 Wah...Mbah mau dateng kalo uda dihadiahin
 SL-350 katanya...hihi...[?][?]

 2009/9/15 Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com



 *And the award goes to ... Mr. Reichi Rich...*


 2009/9/15 jku...@yahoo.com



 Wah tahun depan PTBA bisa 4, dan bukan ngupi2 lagi. Cakeepp.

 Salam,

 Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry®
 --
 *From: * Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com
 *Date: *Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:54:35 +0700
 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,soprof jt
 om tasrul



 Wah boleh aja sih cuma tunggu konfirmasi dari pak JT dulu...kalo daftar
 skrg, tapi ketemuannya Sept TAHUN DEPAN gimana? hahaha

 2009/9/15 jku...@yahoo.com



 Kalo gitu pak Rei ane daftar duluan, keburu quota nya penuh. Hehehe

 Salam,

 Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry®
 --
 *From: * Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com
 *Date: *Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:33:53 +0700
 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,soprof
 jt om tasrul



 Pak Boyz ikutan ya? Wah tapi kalo banyak warga OB yg ikut, ane kabur
 dah hahahah
 Kalo 5-6 org masih oke, lah kalo 50 org? huehehe :-))

 2009/9/15 boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg



 Oke deh, abis lebaran kita tunggu traktiran kopi dari om Rei :p

 Salam,


 2009/9/15 JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com

 ok.., nanti abis lebaran kite ngupi2 lagi ya boss, janji lo
 traktir..., hahaha..., canda...canda...

 BTW, sorry sir sms anda kemarin baru ane baca, soalnya kecampur sms2
 promosi yg bener2 menyebalkan,  jadi saya jrng baca sms..., hehe


 JT


 --
 *From:* Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:26:25 PM
 *Subject:* Re: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,soprof
 jt om tasrul



 Boleh boss...call me dong.
 Masih lanjut nih ptba.

 On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:40 PM, JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:



  Kereennn, PTBA best performer for today lah ! Mantap



 Ane juga mau minta traktir Pak Rei Nih…, hehehe



 JT



 [image: ptba.png]



 -Original Message-
 From: m457...@yahoo.com.sg [mailto:m457...@yahoo.com.sg]
 Sent: 15 September 2009 16:26
 To: JT
 Subject: RE: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,soprof
 jt om tasrul



 Udah closing nih prof. Cakep ga?

 Udah confirm boleh masuk, blom? hehe..



 Asik dah, ane ditraktir ngopi nih sama pak Rei :p



 salam,





















 

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Re: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,so????prof jt om tasrul

*I feel like I'm putting my neck on the line for Embah.* [?]

2009/9/15 tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com



 Hasil BNBR yg dikumpulin buat embah desember nanti cukup ga yah buat beli
 sesajen?? Klo cukup, bu fifi bertanggung jawab niih hadirkan embah. Hehe..

 Sent from my BlackBerry®
 powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT
 --
 *From: * boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg
 *Date: *Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:31:38 +0700
 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,soprof jt om
 tasrul



 Glek.. sesajen-nya mahal juga yah buat bikin mBah nongol. Hehehe...
 Kalo mBah jiwa muda sih, minta-nya SLK 500 Kompressor. :)

 Salam,


 2009/9/15 fifi young fifiyoun...@gmail.com



 Wah...Mbah mau dateng kalo uda dihadiahin
 SL-350 katanya...hihi...[?][?]

 2009/9/15 Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com



 *And the award goes to ... Mr. Reichi Rich...*


 2009/9/15 jku...@yahoo.com



 Wah tahun depan PTBA bisa 4, dan bukan ngupi2 lagi. Cakeepp.

 Salam,

 Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry®
 --
 *From: * Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com
 *Date: *Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:54:35 +0700
 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,soprof jt
 om tasrul



 Wah boleh aja sih cuma tunggu konfirmasi dari pak JT dulu...kalo daftar
 skrg, tapi ketemuannya Sept TAHUN DEPAN gimana? hahaha

 2009/9/15 jku...@yahoo.com



 Kalo gitu pak Rei ane daftar duluan, keburu quota nya penuh. Hehehe

 Salam,

 Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry®
 --
 *From: * Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com
 *Date: *Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:33:53 +0700
 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,soprof jt
 om tasrul



 Pak Boyz ikutan ya? Wah tapi kalo banyak warga OB yg ikut, ane kabur
 dah hahahah
 Kalo 5-6 org masih oke, lah kalo 50 org? huehehe :-))

 2009/9/15 boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg



 Oke deh, abis lebaran kita tunggu traktiran kopi dari om Rei :p

 Salam,


 2009/9/15 JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com

 ok.., nanti abis lebaran kite ngupi2 lagi ya boss, janji lo
 traktir..., hahaha..., canda...canda...

 BTW, sorry sir sms anda kemarin baru ane baca, soalnya kecampur sms2
 promosi yg bener2 menyebalkan,  jadi saya jrng baca sms..., hehe


 JT


 --
 *From:* Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:26:25 PM
 *Subject:* Re: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,soprof
 jt om tasrul



 Boleh boss...call me dong.
 Masih lanjut nih ptba.

 On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:40 PM, JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com wrote:



  Kereennn, PTBA best performer for today lah ! Mantap



 Ane juga mau minta traktir Pak Rei Nih…, hehehe



 JT



 [image: ptba.png]



 -Original Message-
 From: m457...@yahoo.com.sg [mailto:m457...@yahoo.com.sg]
 Sent: 15 September 2009 16:26
 To: JT
 Subject: RE: RE: [ob] Ptba break 14150 and with volume,soprof jt
 om tasrul



 Udah closing nih prof. Cakep ga?

 Udah confirm boleh masuk, blom? hehe..



 Asik dah, ane ditraktir ngopi nih sama pak Rei :p



 salam,




















 

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Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation

*.. and Malaysia.
*
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Lucky Trader soluckytra...@gmail.comwrote:



 *By creating a WAR ?...*
 US intends to keep hot issue with Iran  N Korea, just in case they need
 it.




 On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Tony Prasetya tonyton...@yahoo.comwrote:

  Dear Elaine,

 From the EHM american dollar will be strong. If not they will find way to
 make it strong. How do they pay for oil, for example.


  --
 *From:* Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 11:20:27 AM

 *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and
 others on US Inflation



 *You got mixed up between value and price. (Like weight vs mass,
 potential vs kinetic, astronomers vs astronauts). lolz I think I confuse you
 even more ya..

 Elaine**
 *
 On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail. 
 comtv.k...@gmail.com
  wrote:



  mmm…. I think I see what you mean…

 CMIIW, my understanding is that, all other currencies appreciate on USD,
 therefore it shows little or no value of appreciating?

 Darn… this currency thingy is so hard to comprehend…=(







 *From:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. 
 comobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com[mailto:obrolan-bandar@
 yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CUMI.JK
 (Buy, TP 5000)
 *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 11:05 AM

 *To:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and
 others on US Inflation





 I think it should be the same, if your currency appreciate also to USD.
 USD is only a medium of exchange, intermediary agent for the exchange of
 commodities to your own currency. Leave USD out of equation, and it should
 be simpler.

 Sell tins and CPO in Rupiah, Buy crude oil in Riyal, buy gold and diamond
 in Rand, buy heavy machine in Yen, buy durian monthong in Baht, import
 Shahrukh Khan in Rupee. It will be more interesting, eh?

 ===
 BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL!

  On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:55 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail. 
 comtv.k...@gmail.com
 wrote:



 Agree… but, isn’t that if you are holding USD?

 If however in other currencies (presumably will appreciate on USD), the
 value of commodities are cheaper??

 Sorry…. I am not good at this economy thingy…



 s|nnerman







 *From:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. 
 comobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com[mailto:obrolan-bandar@
 yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CUMI.JK
 (Buy, TP 5000)
 *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20 AM


 *To:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and
 others on US Inflation





 Let's say that the value of commodities and energy are constant for now,
 but its prices are increasing because the currency is devaluating. The value
 of money is diminishing.

 ===
 BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL!

 On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail. 
 comtv.k...@gmail.com
 wrote:



 Thank you for your inputs sir,…

 I am sure you are just being humble..

 Currently China’s main problem is the devaluating USD.

 There’s no country in the world that would just sit quietly and see their
 money (treasury/reserve) diminishing.



 We have agreed that US is facing serious inflationary issue. And based on
 my discussion with Miss Elaine is that , do we see India, China and
 Indonesian markets able to push the commodity prices up?

 I am convinced that the energy and non-ferrous metal prices are
 overvalued.

 However, with the devaluating in USD, I see the possibilities that China
 will diverse her reserve in various forms, including precious metals,
 non-ferrous metals, and energy. If that happens, will China able to push the
 prices north?!





 Regards

 s|n







 *From:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. 
 comobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com[mailto:obrolan-bandar@
 yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *YUTA
 *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:07 PM


 *To:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and
 others on US Inflation





 Hi



 I am not expert on fundamental things but just a guy who keen to learn
 something on what happen to the economic. Since you put my name, I am
 trying to share some of view.

 Uhm so difficult questions. Perhaps we need to agree on future, is
 this inflationary is happening in US or contrary their currency is
 devaluating? I guess, both is ongoing. Inflation is the future threat
 of what US peoples is most worrying about. While it is ongoing where
 US dollar is devaluating to other currencies. There should be a trade
 off which we don't know what's gonna happen.

 Look at China, they have also problems with over capacity which will
 lead to deflation

Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation

*That was quick. lolz..

Elaine**
*
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Henri Purnawan henri.jc...@gmail.comwrote:



 Iran Gains U.S. Military Technology Through Malaysia Middlemen

 Source:

 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=aK4daf8MD.Bw




 On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:48 PM, anrusing data anru.s...@gmail.comwrote:




 ya, kaget juga si pembuat iklannya... ternyata ada divisi pembuat iklan di
 sana ya?



 On 14/09/2009, rangga_the_demon rangga_the_de...@yahoo.com wrote:




 ..what a good view jeng elaine.u also think that indonesia VS
 Malaysia is one of well planned n created thing ...???...setujuh...!

 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com,
 Wong Cilik gajahpelan...@... wrote:
 
  Hot Issue With Malaysia? What hot issue?
 
  Considering America
  - already have war in Afghan
  - and still tidying up in Iraq,
  - as well as conducting diplomacy with Iran
  - and North Korea,
  - plus a huge budget deficit from those wars/conflicts,
 
  I am rather sure they will not want to have another war anymore. They
 will
  focus to their own problem. Healthcare, banking regulation, etc...
 
  So what is with Malaysia?
 
 
  On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote:
 
  
  
   *.. and Malaysia.
   *
  
   On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Lucky Trader soluckytrader@
 ...wrote:
  
  
  
   *By creating a WAR ?...*
   US intends to keep hot issue with Iran  N Korea, just in case they
 need
   it.

Re: [ob] Harga Gas Naik +18%

*Actually natural gas price jumped almost 45% from bottom since early
september. Some big players in nymex think it's too cheap.

Elaine**
*
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:22 AM, ruzli...@gmail.com wrote:



 Yg Pasti Bukan 18%.
 Ada ada aja deh ..

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 Based)
 --
 *From: * CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) cumie...@gmail.com
 *Date: *Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:20:03 +0700
 *To: *obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject: *Re: [ob] Harga Gas Naik +18%



 18 persen? 18 sen kaleee...

 ===
 BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL!


 On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:04 AM, paramanand...@yahoo.com wrote:


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Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Liburan Milis OB -- TAL: SABETAN THR

*Kiss you so much, Embah [?]*[?]

2009/9/15 Meiliany Halim phz...@gmail.com



 Mbah, memang jagonya :). Thanks

 2009/9/15 Yuni enj...@yahoo.com



 Mantap mbah ... :))



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 *Judul:* [ob] Re: Liburan Milis OB -- TAL: SABETAN THR

 9:20

 Kalo OB rame banget artinya Tanda Alam mau jatoh...

 Sebaliknya kalo OB sepi banget artinya mau naek...

 Are You Ready for SABETAN THR ?.



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Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Liburan Milis OB -- TAL: SABETAN THR

*Near closing bell lots of ppl will get angry with me. Let's see

Elaine**
*
2009/9/15 Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com



 EL sdh gak ada stock, koq ikut senang? hehehehe...

 2009/9/15 Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com



 *Kiss you so much, Embah [?]*[?]

 2009/9/15 Meiliany Halim phz...@gmail.com



 Mbah, memang jagonya :). Thanks

 2009/9/15 Yuni enj...@yahoo.com



 Mantap mbah ... :))



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 *Judul:* [ob] Re: Liburan Milis OB -- TAL: SABETAN THR

 9:20

 Kalo OB rame banget artinya Tanda Alam mau jatoh...

 Sebaliknya kalo OB sepi banget artinya mau naek...

 Are You Ready for SABETAN THR ?.



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Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Liburan Milis OB -- TAL: SABETAN THR

*You're the first one who got angry.

Elaine**
*
2009/9/15 Joe Grunk joe_gr...@yahoo.com

Gimana kalau jatuh jg cuma koreksi wajar?

Alias tidak seperti yg didengung2kan, IHSG 1600 atau bahkan 800?

Yg FM gede mana bisa jualan.

--- Pada *Sen, 14/9/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com* menulis:

Dari: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com
Judul: Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Liburan Milis OB -- TAL: SABETAN THR
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Senin, 14 September, 2009, 8:12 PM

*Near closing bell lots of ppl will get angry with me. Let's see

Elaine**
*
2009/9/15 Rei
highwaysta...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=highwaysta...@gmail.com

EL sdh gak ada stock, koq ikut senang? hehehehe...

2009/9/15 Elaine Sui
elainesu...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=elainesu...@gmail.com

*Kiss you so much, Embah *

2009/9/15 Meiliany Halim
phz...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=phz...@gmail.com

Mbah, memang jagonya :). Thanks

2009/9/15 Yuni enj...@yahoo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=enj...@yahoo.com

Mantap mbah ... :))

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*Judul:* [ob] Re: Liburan Milis OB -- TAL: SABETAN THR

9:20

Kalo OB rame banget artinya Tanda Alam mau jatoh...

Sebaliknya kalo OB sepi banget artinya mau naek...

Are You Ready for SABETAN THR ?.

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Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Liburan Milis OB -- TAL: SABETAN THR

*I never asked anyone to be angry with me..ddoohh... [?] What did I do
anyway.. [?]*

2009/9/15 Lucky Trader soluckytra...@gmail.com

EL, gak baik di bulan yg baik ini bikin angry banyak orang...
mending nunggu abis Lebaran aja

Pls be consider,

-LT

2009/9/15 Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com

*You're the first one who got angry.

Elaine**
*
2009/9/15 Joe Grunk joe_gr...@yahoo.com

Gimana kalau jatuh jg cuma koreksi wajar?

Alias tidak seperti yg didengung2kan, IHSG 1600 atau bahkan 800?

Yg FM gede mana bisa jualan.

--- Pada *Sen, 14/9/09, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com* menulis:

Dari: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com
Judul: Re: Bls: [ob] Re: Liburan Milis OB -- TAL: SABETAN THR
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Senin, 14 September, 2009, 8:12 PM

*Near closing bell lots of ppl will get angry with me. Let's see

Elaine**
*
2009/9/15 Rei
highwaysta...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=highwaysta...@gmail.com

EL sdh gak ada stock, koq ikut senang? hehehehe...

2009/9/15 Elaine Sui
elainesu...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=elainesu...@gmail.com

*Kiss you so much, Embah *

2009/9/15 Meiliany Halim
phz...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=phz...@gmail.com

Mbah, memang jagonya :). Thanks

2009/9/15 Yuni enj...@yahoo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=enj...@yahoo.com

Mantap mbah ... :))

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*Terkirim:* Selasa, 15 September, 2009 09:23:38
*Judul:* [ob] Re: Liburan Milis OB -- TAL: SABETAN THR

9:20

Kalo OB rame banget artinya Tanda Alam mau jatoh...

Sebaliknya kalo OB sepi banget artinya mau naek...

Are You Ready for SABETAN THR ?.

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Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation

2009-09-13 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*US inflation means deflation for the rest of the world. US inflation means
the USD loses its value thus will affect consumer spending and since the US
is the biggest consumer in the world, it will have impact on foreign exports
to US. Lower export to US means less product to make that turns into massive
unemployment. Did you know, one third of Chinese new graduates are currently
jobless this year.

1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our country's (RI) economy and
stock exchange?
It supposedly will affect any country's USD denominated foreign reserves.
Most treasurers sell their USD and switch to gold (like China has been doing
all this time) or other instruments such as bonds.

Indonesia foreign debt is around IDR 1600 trillions. This means foreigners
sold/short USD, buy IDR (let's say @ IDR 10k/USD) to buy govt bonds at
premium. IF the dollar falls, let's say to 7k/USD, foreign investors will
see this as a capital gain and may sell them even at discount. Not good (for
you ^_^). Strong IDR is unfavorable though it has some positive effect on
the imported things like drugs, heavy machinery and oil consumption.

2. Will it drive the value of oil south? If so, could you please elaborate?!
I think oil will go nowhere for sometime and so do other commodities.

3. Many believe that if the US inflation do really happen, gold price shall
soars. Will the non-ferrous metal prices climb as well?
No. Gold is precious metal and used as hedge to inflation, nickel, copper
and tin are non ferrous (industrial).

4. Are there any stock that will rise along with inflation? If so, what
sector(s) would it be?
Embah has said this, company with USD debt  IDR revenue will benefit from
USD decline.

Best stock picks? I dunno, currently I only own bonds. lolz.. damn I'm good.
(Of course I will sell them when the price is good leh). I'm not trying to
scare anyone but we're at war (against economic turmoil), let's face it.

http://www.mail-archive.com/obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com/msg152335.html

I'll tell you a trick: go contrarian on ANY STATEMENT from the officials. If
they''re pessimistic, BUY. If they''re optimistic and confident, SELL. Now
the fed has just said that the recession is easing, so... you know what to
do. Based on the damage of the financial system in the US, I think they need
at least ten years for recovery.

Buy on US weakness (which can be easily monitored by the strength of its
currency index. Chartists! Take note.)

Elaine**
*

2009/9/13 tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com

 Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine  and
 other macro economic experts.

 Please allow newbie to ask a few questions related to macro economic issue.

 Recently I read some news regarding the threat of the US inflation. Below
 is some copy and paste from the articles.

 Buffett is sounding the warning that America's enormous and mushrooming
 public debt presents an enormous inflation risk. He points out that private
 savings and foreign loans won't adequately cover our huge borrowing.

 All that spending originates as borrowing, and there's no way it'll ever
 be repaid. It'll be inflated away by the Federal Reserve's monopoly on money
 creation. That will erode the value of the money in your pocket, in your
 bank account, and, yes, in your stock portfolio, too.


 My questions are:
 1. How severe will the US inflation impact on our country's (RI) economy
 and stock exchange?
 2. Will it drive the value of oil south? If so, could you please
 elaborate?!
 3. Many believe that if the US inflation do really happen, gold price shall
 soars. Will the non-ferrous metal prices climb as well?
 4. Are there any stock that will rise along with inflation? If so, what
 sector(s) would it be?

 Thanking you very much in advance for your time to answer.

 s|n

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Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and others on US Inflation

2009-09-13 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*You got mixed up between value and price. (Like weight vs mass, potential
vs kinetic, astronomers vs astronauts). lolz I think I confuse you even more
ya.. [?]

Elaine**
*
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote:



  mmm…. I think I see what you mean…

 CMIIW, my understanding is that, all other currencies appreciate on USD,
 therefore it shows little or no value of appreciating?

 Darn… this currency thingy is so hard to comprehend…=(







 *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
 obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000)
 *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 11:05 AM

 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and
 others on US Inflation





 I think it should be the same, if your currency appreciate also to USD.
 USD is only a medium of exchange, intermediary agent for the exchange of
 commodities to your own currency. Leave USD out of equation, and it should
 be simpler.

 Sell tins and CPO in Rupiah, Buy crude oil in Riyal, buy gold and diamond
 in Rand, buy heavy machine in Yen, buy durian monthong in Baht, import
 Shahrukh Khan in Rupee. It will be more interesting, eh?

 ===
 BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL!

  On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:55 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote:



 Agree… but, isn’t that if you are holding USD?

 If however in other currencies (presumably will appreciate on USD), the
 value of commodities are cheaper??

 Sorry…. I am not good at this economy thingy…



 s|nnerman







 *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
 obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000)
 *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 10:20 AM


 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and
 others on US Inflation





 Let's say that the value of commodities and energy are constant for now,
 but its prices are increasing because the currency is devaluating. The value
 of money is diminishing.

 ===
 BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL!

 On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:28 AM, s|nnerman tv.k...@gmail.com wrote:



 Thank you for your inputs sir,…

 I am sure you are just being humble..

 Currently China’s main problem is the devaluating USD.

 There’s no country in the world that would just sit quietly and see their
 money (treasury/reserve) diminishing.



 We have agreed that US is facing serious inflationary issue. And based on
 my discussion with Miss Elaine is that , do we see India, China and
 Indonesian markets able to push the commodity prices up?

 I am convinced that the energy and non-ferrous metal prices are overvalued.


 However, with the devaluating in USD, I see the possibilities that China
 will diverse her reserve in various forms, including precious metals,
 non-ferrous metals, and energy. If that happens, will China able to push the
 prices north?!





 Regards

 s|n







 *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
 obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *YUTA
 *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:07 PM


 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [ob] To: Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pengamat Market and
 others on US Inflation





 Hi



 I am not expert on fundamental things but just a guy who keen to learn
 something on what happen to the economic. Since you put my name, I am
 trying to share some of view.

 Uhm so difficult questions. Perhaps we need to agree on future, is
 this inflationary is happening in US or contrary their currency is
 devaluating? I guess, both is ongoing. Inflation is the future threat
 of what US peoples is most worrying about. While it is ongoing where
 US dollar is devaluating to other currencies. There should be a trade
 off which we don't know what's gonna happen.

 Look at China, they have also problems with over capacity which will
 lead to deflation but in the other hand they are very sensitive on
 commodities fluctuation which will trigger to inflation. Confuse,
 right? Then it does make sense where China is also curbing both
 (Commodities inflation and US dollar deflation) by diversing their
 reserve, at least for my perspective of thinking.

 I believe what peoples wiat is how US government will end the stimulus
 and their method take out the liquidity from the market. Once they
 increase the interest rate, stock and market will negatively react.
 And once it happen, as you aware, the US dollar will increase their
 value which other currency should follow (to increase interest rate)
 as well. You can imagine if accross the universe is raising their
 interest rate from one to another place .

 That's the comment from newbie too...Doesn't answer your question. Fool
 me...

 To Seniors, please correct if something wrong...

 2009/9/13 tV.kun0 tv.k...@gmail.com tv.kun0%40gmail.com:
  Dear Pak Hendra Bujang, Embah, Pak Pengamat Market, Pak Yuta, Elaine  and
 other macro economic experts.

Re: [ob] BNBR 300......

*(somehow Embah is smiling on this news [?]) Can somebody please give me the
list of participant. I just want to know how many ppl have joined this
charity program **[?]Anyway, thank you everyone. Well I have no idea on how
this will end but keep the spirit high.**
*
*Elaine**
*
2009/9/10 kobayashi mitsukuni ueno_kobaya...@yahoo.co.id



 Peroleh Laba, Saham BNBR Menuju Rp 300

Ekonomi

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 Wahid Ma'ruf

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 *INILAH.COM, Jakarta - Saham Bakrie  Brothers Tbk (BNBR) dalam jangka
 menengah akan terus bergerak menuju Rp 300 dengan kinerja keuangan perseroan
 yang saat ini sudah membukukan laba sekitar Rp 22 miliar di semester I 2009.
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 Hal itu dikatakan pengamat pasar modal, Willy Sanjaya kepada *INILAH.COM*,
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 dengan kinerja saat ini yang sudah mulai mendapat laba sekitar Rp 22 miliar,
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 transaksi. Dalam jangka menengah saham BNBR akan menuju Rp 200 bahkan dapat
 ke level Rp 300. BNBR merupakan perusahaan holding yang kuat, dia invetasi
 ke banyak sektor dan dapat membalikan dari rugi menjadi untung dalam waktu
 yang relatif cepat, katanya.

 Apalagi sentimen pasar terhadap pemilihan ketua umum sangat terbuka bagi
 Aburizal Bakrie akan dapat mendongkrak saham-saham Bakrie Seven. Dengan
 demikian BNBR sebagai holding akan ikut terdongkrak naik. Dorongan terbesar
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 membaik dengan beban utang yang sudah mulai berkurang. [hid]




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Re: [ob] DJIA MACD Optimized

*
**“ Maaf Lahir Bathin” juga dari Elaine and to everyone else. GBU.**
*
*Elaine*

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Tasrul tas...@overseas.co.id wrote:



  Sama-sama Pak dan juga buat Obers yang lain “ Maaf Lahir Bathin”


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 *Sent:* Thursday, September 10, 2009 11:26 AM

 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [ob] DJIA MACD Optimized





 Pak Tasrul,

 Selamat Lebaran ya.

 On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Tasrul tas...@overseas.co.id wrote:



 Semoga deh... ane mudik dulu besok, jadi maaf kalau postingnya mungkin akan
 jarang sampai tgl 3 Okt

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 Subject: Re: [ob] DJIA MACD Optimized

 Cakep p Tasrul...

 MACD DOW mental di support up trend line...
 Kasih GC lagi

 lanjutkan deh...

 thx
 Hans

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Re: [ob] BNBR 300......

*I see no one has replied but you. Damn..
*
2009/9/10 Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com

Don't worry. I still keep for Mbah...

2009/9/10 Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com

*(somehow Embah is smiling on this news [?]) Can somebody please give me
the list of participant. I just want to know how many ppl have joined this
charity program **[?]Anyway, thank you everyone. Well I have no idea on
how this will end but keep the spirit high.*
*
*
*Elaine**
*
2009/9/10 kobayashi mitsukuni ueno_kobaya...@yahoo.co.id

Peroleh Laba, Saham BNBR Menuju Rp 300

Ekonomi

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Wahid Ma'ruf

(*inilah.com /Dokumen*)

*INILAH.COM, Jakarta - Saham Bakrie Brothers Tbk (BNBR) dalam jangka
menengah akan terus bergerak menuju Rp 300 dengan kinerja keuangan perseroan
yang saat ini sudah membukukan laba sekitar Rp 22 miliar di semester I 2009.
*

Hal itu dikatakan pengamat pasar modal, Willy Sanjaya kepada *INILAH.COM
*, Jakarta Kamis (10/9). Ke depan prospek saham BNBR akan terus
terangkat dengan kinerja saat ini yang sudah mulai mendapat laba sekitar Rp
22 miliar, padahal tahun lalu masih rugi sekian triliun, katanya.

Pada perdagangan sesi I hari ini, saham BNBR naik Rp 2 ke Rp 134 dengan
volume 719,773 unit saham senilai Rp 47,87 miliar sebanyak 956 kali
transaksi. Dalam jangka menengah saham BNBR akan menuju Rp 200 bahkan dapat
ke level Rp 300. BNBR merupakan perusahaan holding yang kuat, dia invetasi
ke banyak sektor dan dapat membalikan dari rugi menjadi untung dalam waktu
yang relatif cepat, katanya.

Apalagi sentimen pasar terhadap pemilihan ketua umum sangat terbuka bagi
Aburizal Bakrie akan dapat mendongkrak saham-saham Bakrie Seven. Dengan
demikian BNBR sebagai holding akan ikut terdongkrak naik. Dorongan terbesar
datang dari anak usahanya yaitu BUMI yang saat ini kinerja keuangannya
membaik dengan beban utang yang sudah mulai berkurang. [hid]

http://inilah.com/berita/ekonomi/2009/09/10/154105/peroleh-laba-saham-bnbr-menuju-rp-300/

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Re: [ob] Harvard study: Businesses not ready for H1N1 flu

*Oh my God! how could I miss this one... why now ppl start talking about
this scary stuffs.. unemployment, deflation, now H1N1.. but the markets are
still on the uptrend. Why...why... [?][?]

Crazy frickin market.. lolz [?]
* *
*
*Elaine*

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:27 AM, dunia ini indah pusatdu...@yahoo.comwrote:

Harvard study: Businesses not ready for H1N1 flu

Published: Wednesday September 9, 2009

Harvard study: Businesses, including food industry, unprepared for possible
swine flu outbreak

BOSTON -- Many American businesses are unprepared to deal with widespread
employee absenteeism in the event of an outbreak of swine flu, according to
a Harvard School of Public Health study released Wednesday.

The survey found that two-thirds of the more than 1,000 businesses
questioned nationwide said they could not maintain normal operations if half
their workers were out for two weeks. Four out of every five businesses
expect severe problems if half their workers are out for a month.

What we found is that a minority of businesses have started some sort of
emergency planning, said Robert Blendon, a professor of health policy and
leader of the project sponsored by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention. Most, I don't think, have thought through the implications of
something so widespread.

Companies designated by the Department of Homeland Security as critical
to the security and economic vitality of the nation, including those in the
food supply chain, energy and finance, were no more likely to have a plan
than non-essential businesses, Blendon said.

Companies may have been fooled into complacency by the relative mild nature
of the first wave of swine flu that swept the U.S. last spring, and are too
concerned about the overall economic situation to worry about future
problems, he said.

The survey found that about three-quarters of businesses offer paid sick
leave for some employees, but only 35 percent offer paid leave for workers
who need to stay home to take care of sick family members or children forced
to stay home if schools are closed.

Those policies should be loosened during an outbreak, Blendon said. If
this hits, there is really need for some flexibility.

The survey also found that nearly half of all companies required a doctor's
note before granting someone sick leave, and about 70 percent required a
note before someone can return to work, yet few had considered getting rid
of that policy during a medical emergency.

The CDC is suggesting that companies waive that rule during a flu pandemic
to relieve strain on overworked doctor's offices, said agency spokesman Glen
Nowak.

Associated Industries of Massachusetts, which includes 6,500 companies in
the state from the small to the Fortune 500, is urging its members to
prepare.

Companies have to prepare now because the flu spreads so quickly there
won't be enough time to make these business-critical decisions when it
hits, said Karen Choi, the organization's senior vice president of
management and human resources services.

Companies need to train workers to handle the jobs of absent colleagues and
need to determine which jobs can be handled remotely from home, she said.

The telephone survey, conducted between July 16 and August 12, included
interviews with human resources officers at 1,057 randomly selected
businesses across the U.S. It included samples of small businesses with 20
to 99 employees; medium companies with 100 to 500 employees; and large
businesses with more than 500 workers. It had a margin of error of plus or
minus 4.2 percentage points.

The information from the survey is already being used by the CDC to advise
businesses, said agency spokesman Nowak.

This is another burden employers are going to have to face in an already
difficult year, Choi said.

On the Web:

Harvard School of Public Health,
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2009-releases/businesses-problems-maintaining-operations-significant-h1n1-flu-outbreak.html

Department of Health and Human Services swine flu business guidance,
http://www.flu.gov/professional/business/guidance.html

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Re: [ob] THR nya diambil lg yak.. :(

*Reason? how about Astratel? [?]

Elaine**
*
2009/9/10 boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg



 2009/9/10 cipto_jh cipto...@yahoo.com

 Wah.. yg lebih berwenang aka sip buat nebak td di ASII itu GL biasanya
 atau GL perlente mungkin cuman pak Oen tu pak Boyz.. ane mah nyoba blajar
 'mbaca' tadi dari chart menitan.. bener gtu kan pak.. hehehe



 wah sama2 belajar kita pak :)
 Kalau dari chart 5 menitan, kelihatannya lagi membentuk CupHandle tuw.


 Salam,



 
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Re: [ob] Harvard study: Businesses not ready for H1N1 flu

*Well at least I'm not lying, mate. Bad things usually come unexpectedly.
Not really about stock market, but more on the general economy.

Rei, you are an investor, right? Tell me, are you confident with the
recovery? Or should I ask, with the crippling of USD value, soaring gold (as
hedge of US hyperinflation + China demands for diversification), high
unemployment rate and weak consumer demand, is it really a recovery after
all?

I need an opinion from a true investor like you.

Elaine**
*
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com wrote:

I told you virus is sensed here...lol
I read this article this morning...

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com wrote:

*Oh my God! how could I miss this one... why now ppl start talking about
this scary stuffs.. unemployment, deflation, now H1N1.. but the markets are
still on the uptrend. Why...why... [?][?]

Crazy frickin market.. lolz [?]
*
*
*
*Elaine*

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:27 AM, dunia ini indah
pusatdu...@yahoo.comwrote:

Harvard study: Businesses not ready for H1N1 flu

Published: Wednesday September 9, 2009

Harvard study: Businesses, including food industry, unprepared for
possible swine flu outbreak

Companies may have been fooled into complacency by the relative mild
nature of the first wave of swine flu that swept the U.S. last spring, and
are too concerned about the overall economic situation to worry about future
problems, he said.

Those policies should be loosened during an outbreak, Blendon said. If
this hits, there is really need for some flexibility.

The survey also found that nearly half of all companies required a
doctor's note before granting someone sick leave, and about 70 percent
required a note before someone can return to work, yet few had considered
getting rid of that policy during a medical emergency.

The CDC is suggesting that companies waive that rule during a flu
pandemic to relieve strain on overworked doctor's offices, said agency
spokesman Glen Nowak.

Associated Industries of Massachusetts, which includes 6,500 companies in
the state from the small to the Fortune 500, is urging its members to
prepare.

Companies need to train workers to handle the jobs of absent colleagues
and need to determine which jobs can be handled remotely from home, she
said.

The information from the survey is already being used by the CDC to
advise businesses, said agency spokesman Nowak.

This is another burden employers are going to have to face in an already
difficult year, Choi said.

On the Web:

Harvard School of Public Health,
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2009-releases/businesses-problems-maintaining-operations-significant-h1n1-flu-outbreak.html

Department of Health and Human Services swine flu business guidance,
http://www.flu.gov/professional/business/guidance.html

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Re: [ob] THR nya diambil lg yak.. :(

*Means? come on, smarty..*

2009/9/10 boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg



 Dont ask me the reason, dear... :)It is said Astratel now own 62% PT.
 Marga Mandala Sakti.

 Salam,



 2009/9/10 Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com



 *Reason? how about Astratel? [?]

 Elaine**
 *
 2009/9/10 boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg



 2009/9/10 cipto_jh cipto...@yahoo.com

 Wah.. yg lebih berwenang aka sip buat nebak td di ASII itu GL biasanya
 atau GL perlente mungkin cuman pak Oen tu pak Boyz.. ane mah nyoba blajar
 'mbaca' tadi dari chart menitan.. bener gtu kan pak.. hehehe



 wah sama2 belajar kita pak :)
 Kalau dari chart 5 menitan, kelihatannya lagi membentuk CupHandle tuw.


 Salam,









 

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Re: [ob] Re: Maff, tapi bersiaplah untuk melihat IHSG ke 2,500 (Papah Lauren Creation)

2009-09-08 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*JT's out, **Art's out. **Dean's out. These great men are like disease to us
(that's a compliment!). [?]

Elaine**
*
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Prasetyo, Hani hani.prase...@sc.com wrote:



  Pak JT minta chartnya BUMI  plat merah ya pak (ANTM, PGAS, TINS)..


  --

 *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
 obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Cougar Boy
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:26 PM
 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [ob] Re: Maff, tapi bersiaplah untuk melihat IHSG ke 2,500
 (Papah Lauren Creation)





 Mn...gak terlalu meyakinkan sih indexnya



 cuman beberapa saham menunjukan strong reversal.



 saya yakin pak JT hari ini pasti bolak-balik lihat volume.. am I right ??



 2009/9/8 boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg



 Semalem ane udah nonton joged India, om HMin...

 Debit Inflow cukup deras gak nih? padat merayap?



 Salam,





 2009/9/8 Cougar Boy boysngi...@gmail.com





 yang sudah kosong..kalau BEI close 2370 gimana ??



 perlahan tapi pasti...total value dah 3.2T

 per 15:40
 2365





 2009/9/8 jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id





 Pak DE,

 Ini papah Lauren mau mgasih THR INSTAN dalam 2 minggu ini.

 Mohon opini terakhirnya sebelum meninggalkan OB ?.

 Engga jadi sekolah deh... hehehe...



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 Embah jsx-consult...@... wrote:
 
  Maff, tapi bersiaplah untuk melihat IHSG ke 2,500 (Papah Lauren Creation)
 
 
  Note:
  - Mohon reviewnya apakah prediksi ini cukup Valid ???
 










 

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Re: Bls: [ob] Woiii BOZZZZZ Mana nih THR Nya BOZZZ.... ?

2009-09-07 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*Told'ja. [?]

Elaine**
*
2009/9/7 ueno_kobayashi ueno_kobaya...@yahoo.co.id



 **

 *Iya nich BOSSsaya juga sh Paceklik nich...*

 *hehhehehe..kemarau panjang..*

 *wkwkwkwk...*

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  THR nya lusa kali, THR = Tunjangan Hari Rabu
 
  Sent from my BuyBakrie®
  Power by DEWA
 
  -Original Message-
  From: AB asepbuh...@...
  Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 15:17:44
  To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Bls: [ob] Woiii BOZ Mana nih THR Nya BOZZZ ?
 
  sudah tidur aja
 
  kagak ada THR...bang...
  he2x...
 
  AB
 
 
 
  
  Dari: troyanese troyan...@...
  Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
  Terkirim: Senin, 7 September, 2009 13:55:03
  Judul: [ob] Woiii BOZ Mana nih THR Nya BOZZZ ?
 
 
  Capek nih nungguin. wkwkwkwkwk
 
 
 
 
 
  Buat sendiri desain eksklusif Messenger Pingbox Anda sekarang! Membuat
 tempat chat pribadi di blog Anda sekarang sangatlah mudah.
 http://id.messenger.yahoo.com/pingbox/
 


 

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Re: [ob] 090909.....

2009-09-07 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*When you reverse the numbers, it would spell 606060 or triple 6, Vicarius
Filii Dei, the number of the Beast. But what I do know that Beasts usually
refer to strong, big, horned creatures.. like bulls! [?]

Elaine**
*
2009/9/7 ueno_kobayashi ueno_kobaya...@yahoo.co.id

 wah sebentar lagi hari RABU tgl o9 bulan 09..tahun buntut 09..

 wah...kok sama dgn nick Jendral Arto...JENDRAL A9...?

 apa yg akan terjadi dihari tersebut ya..?

 apa Jendral akan bagi2 THR yaa...?

 atau Iching bisa tolong prediksikan..

 apa kira2 yg bisa terjadi dihari tersebut..

 keberuntungan utk untuk kita2 pemain saham...?

 hahahhahhaa...

 ngarep.com

 kobayashi.



 

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Re: [ob] Re: Iching buat prediksi saham

2009-09-06 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*What do you think about me? which level am I? Just curious. Thanks, Ed.

Elaine*

2009/9/6 edwinkdr edwin...@yahoo.com




  Buat saya yg paling penting, usaha agar portofolio ijo, dengan modal
 dasar
  tidak punya kemampuan sbg. peramal atau paranormal.

 Wah sebenarnya kalo membaca pernyataan dari Bapak Win ini, sptnya Bapak
 sudah menapaki level Trader 3, bahkan mungkin lebih [image: B-)]

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saham/message/53995

 ...

 *Level 3 The EUREKA Moment*   [image: :]

 Pada akhir level 2, kamu akhirnya menyadari pokok permasalahan bukan
 terletak di system. *Kamu menyadari bahwa kamu bisa mendapat profit bahkan
 jika hanya menggunakan system yang simpel seperti moving average saja tanpa
 ada indicator lain, jika kamu bisa menggunakan kepala kamu dan money
 management yang benar.*

 ...

 Level pencerahan ini membuat otak kamu menyadari satu hal yang penting, di
 dunia ini tidak ada seorang pun yang mampu memprediksi secara akurat apa
 yang akan terjadi pada market 30 detik kemudian.
 ..


 *Notes :*
 Sebenarnya inti dari pernyataan kalo dibahasakan mungkin spt ini -- CMIIW
 [image: :-s]

 Apakah penting bagi kita untuk tahu sebelum kejadian (Weruh Saderenge
 Winarah). jika hal tersebut ternyata tidak cukup membawa manfaat bagi kita
 secara lahir dan bathin.  [image: :-B]

 Boleh jadi apa yg kita ketahui  dan kita ungkapkan sebelum kejadian itu
 benar. akan tetapi pertanyaan sebenarnya...sudah siapkah kita menghadapi
 hal tersebut  saat benar2 datang dan seberapa besarkah manfaat yg dibawanya
 untuk kita dan lingkungan kita dimana kita ada?[image: :-/]

 Lebih bermanfaat yg mana
 Misal sajadia tahu akan terjadi bencana(dengan tanda2 alam) dan cerita
 kemana2 sebagai hal yg mistis.dan tdk tahu apa yg harus dilakukan sehingga
 saat bencana benar2 terjadi akhirnya mati juga. atau mereka yg sama sekali
 tdk tahu akan terjadi bencana tapi secara alami merasakan adanya gejala2
 tersebut dan bersiap2. dan saat memang bencana itu benar2 datang, dia
 selamat dan menyelamatkan banyak orang tanpa terlalu banyak cerita kemana2 
 [image:
 :D] (responsif)

 Percaya atau tdk[image: B-)]

 Tuhan pasti telah memperhitungkan semuanya, jika kita meyakiniNya karena
 semua akan indah pada waktuNya...[image: ;)]
 Lebih penting Paham pesan Tuhan tentang apa yg harus kita lakukan daripada
 sekedar tahu apa yg akan terjadi yg belom tentu hal tersebut bermanfaat
 ataupun ada sebagai tanggung jawab yg Tuhan kehendaki untuk dilakukan. [image:
 :D]

 Dimana untuk memahami pesan tsb kita perlu untuk mengendalikan hawa napsu
 (donya cilik) sebelum mengendalikan alam sekitar kita(ndonya gedhe)...Ojo
 rumangsa bisa tapi bisa'a rumangsa -- jangan merasa bisa, tapi biasakanlah
 untuk bisa merasakan, sehingga kita tahu apa yg harus dilakukan... [image:
 ;)]


 * Biasanya yg semakin ga logis itu yg paling hebat.*  [image: :))]

 Dan berikut ini tambahan artikel yg mungkin agak aneh [image: :D]
 Lontar yg dibaca Raden Paku (Sunan Giri)  peninggalan dari ayah beliau Syeh
 Wali Lanang. tentang macam ilmu manusia [image: :-B]

 Mumpung Weekend dan lagi bengong berikut saya resume Artikel-nya : [image:
 :p]

 *Ilmu manusia*

 *Mengetahui arti bahasa adalah kuncinya. Kesungguhan yg pasti, adalah yg
 perlu benar2 dimengerti. Jangan takut biaya. Bukan emas, bukan dirham, dan
 bukan pula harta benda. Karena sebenarnya hanya niat ikhlas yg diperlukan.
 * [image: :)]

 *Ilmu manusia Pertama *adalah ilmu kamanungsan yg lahir dari jalan indrawi
 dan melalui laku kamanungsan.

 *Ilmu manusia kedua* adalah ilmu kasampurnaan yg lahir melalui
 pembelajaran langsung dari Sang Khalik.

 Untuk yg kedua ini, ia terjadi melalui 2 cara, yaitu dari luar dan dari
 dalam.

 Yang dari luar, dilalui dg cara belajar. Sedangkan yg dari dalam, dilalui
 dg jalan bertapa ( bertafakur ).

 Adapun bertafakur secara batin sepadan dg belajar secara lahir. Belajar
 memiliki arti pengambilan manfaat oleh seorang murid dari laku seorang guru.


 Sedangkan tafakur memiliki makna batin, yaitu *suksma seorang murid yg
 mengambil manfaat dari suksma sejati*, ialah *jiwa sejati*.

 *Suksma sejati dalam olah ngelmu memilki pengaruh yg lebih kuat
 dibandingkan berbagai nasehat dari ahli ilmu dan ahli nalar*. Ilmu2
 seperti itu tersimpan kuat pada pangkal suksma, bagaikan benih yg tertanam
 dalam tanah, atau mutiara di dasar laut.
 *
 ilmu merupakan kekuatan seperti benih atau tepatnya seperti 
 tumbuh2an.*Apabila suksma sang murid sudah matang, ia akan menjadi seperti 
 pohon yg
 berbuah, atau seperti mutiara yg sudah dikeluarkan dari dasar laut.

 *Jika kekuatan badaniah mengalahkan jiwa, berarti murid masih harus terus
 menjalani laku prihatin dalam olah ngelmu dg menyelami kesulitan demi
 kesulitan dan kepenatan demi kepenatan, dalam rangka menggapai manfaat.*

 *Jika Cahaya Rasa mengalahkan macam2 indra, berarti murid lebih
 membutuhkan sedikit tafakur daripada

Re: [ob] Re: Iching buat prediksi saham

2009-09-06 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*Thanks, Ed. [?]

Elaine**
*
2009/9/6 edwinkdr edwin...@yahoo.com





 Level 5 dech buat El [image: :)]

 1. Trading/Invest-nya Banyakan Untung (stabil)
 2. jadi bintang di OB
 3. suka memberi saran
 4. dan menjadi superstar ya kemarin...[image: :))]

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saham/message/53995

 Trader Level 5
 *Level 5 Unconscious Competence*

 Inilah level puncak dari seorang trader, inilah level utopia, kamu telah
 menguasai emosi kamu dan kini kamu* trading dengan account yang terus
 membesar* tiap harinya dari kumulatif profit yang kamu peroleh.

 *Kamu akan jadi bintang di trading chat room*, dan orang-orang akan
 mendengarkan apa yang kamu katakan, kamu kenal dengan pertanyaan mereka,
 karena kamu ada diposisi mereka 2 tahun yang lalu.
 *Kamu akan memberikan saran bagi mereka*, namun kamu tahu bahwa kebanyakan
 dari mereka tidak akan mendengarkannya karena mereka masih trader level 1.

 *Kamu tidak akan mempunyai masalah financial lagi*, kamu mampu membeli
 semua benda yang tersedia untuk dijual, kamu bisa membeli pulau dan trading
 disana asalkan ada jaringan internet, kamu bisa pindah ke hotel bintang 5,
 dan menjadi penghuni tetap disana.

 *Kamu mempunyai penghasilan seperti seorang superstar,* kamu bisa membuat
 buku sendiri, kamu bisa trading dengan margin yang tanpa batas, dan account
 kamu akan berlipat-lipat dari account awal.


 (waktunya kaburrr [image: B-)] tuing 2x)

 Regards


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  *What do you think about me? which level am I? Just curious. Thanks, Ed.
 
  Elaine*
 
  2009/9/6 edwinkdr edwin...@...

 
  
  
  
Buat saya yg paling penting, usaha agar portofolio ijo, dengan modal
   dasar
tidak punya kemampuan sbg. peramal atau paranormal.
  
   Wah sebenarnya kalo membaca pernyataan dari Bapak Win ini, sptnya Bapak
   sudah menapaki level Trader 3, bahkan mungkin lebih [image: B-)]
  
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saham/message/53995
  
   ...
  
   *Level 3 The EUREKA Moment* [image: :]
  
   Pada akhir level 2, kamu akhirnya menyadari pokok permasalahan bukan
   terletak di system. *Kamu menyadari bahwa kamu bisa mendapat profit
 bahkan
   jika hanya menggunakan system yang simpel seperti moving average saja
 tanpa
   ada indicator lain, jika kamu bisa menggunakan kepala kamu dan money
   management yang benar.*
  
   ...
  
   Level pencerahan ini membuat otak kamu menyadari satu hal yang penting,
 di
   dunia ini tidak ada seorang pun yang mampu memprediksi secara akurat
 apa
   yang akan terjadi pada market 30 detik kemudian.
   ..
  
  
   *Notes :*
   Sebenarnya inti dari pernyataan kalo dibahasakan mungkin spt ini --
 CMIIW
   [image: :-s]
  
   Apakah penting bagi kita untuk tahu sebelum kejadian (Weruh Saderenge
   Winarah). jika hal tersebut ternyata tidak cukup membawa manfaat bagi
 kita
   secara lahir dan bathin. [image: :-B]
  
   Boleh jadi apa yg kita ketahui dan kita ungkapkan sebelum kejadian itu
   benar. akan tetapi pertanyaan sebenarnya...sudah siapkah kita
 menghadapi
   hal tersebut saat benar2 datang dan seberapa besarkah manfaat yg
 dibawanya
   untuk kita dan lingkungan kita dimana kita ada?  [image: :-/]
  
   Lebih bermanfaat yg mana
   Misal sajadia tahu akan terjadi bencana(dengan tanda2 alam) dan
 cerita
   kemana2 sebagai hal yg mistis.dan tdk tahu apa yg harus dilakukan
 sehingga
   saat bencana benar2 terjadi akhirnya mati juga. atau mereka yg sama
 sekali
   tdk tahu akan terjadi bencana tapi secara alami merasakan adanya
 gejala2
   tersebut dan bersiap2. dan saat memang bencana itu benar2 datang, dia
   selamat dan menyelamatkan banyak orang tanpa terlalu banyak cerita
 kemana2 [image:
   :D] (responsif)
  
   Percaya atau tdk[image: B-)]
  
   Tuhan pasti telah memperhitungkan semuanya, jika kita meyakiniNya
 karena
   semua akan indah pada waktuNya...[image: ;)]
   Lebih penting Paham pesan Tuhan tentang apa yg harus kita lakukan
 daripada
   sekedar tahu apa yg akan terjadi yg belom tentu hal tersebut bermanfaat
   ataupun ada sebagai tanggung jawab yg Tuhan kehendaki untuk dilakukan.
 [image:
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   Dimana untuk memahami pesan tsb kita perlu untuk mengendalikan hawa
 napsu
   (donya cilik) sebelum mengendalikan alam sekitar kita(ndonya
 gedhe)...Ojo
   rumangsa bisa tapi bisa'a rumangsa -- jangan merasa bisa, tapi
 biasakanlah
   untuk bisa merasakan, sehingga kita tahu apa yg harus dilakukan...
 [image:
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   * Biasanya yg semakin ga logis itu yg paling hebat.* [image: :))]
  
   Dan berikut ini tambahan artikel yg mungkin agak aneh [image: :D]
   Lontar yg dibaca Raden Paku (Sunan Giri) peninggalan dari ayah beliau
 Syeh
   Wali Lanang. tentang macam ilmu manusia [image: :-B]
  
   Mumpung Weekend dan lagi bengong berikut saya resume Artikel-nya :
 [image:
   :p]
  
   *Ilmu manusia*
  
   *Mengetahui arti bahasa adalah kuncinya

Re: [ob] Re: So lazy market...

2009-09-04 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*I'm smart so.. ane juga bisa tahu betawi lah. Easy. [?]

Elaine* *
*
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:07 PM, qasuaribo qasuar...@yahoo.com wrote:

 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote:
 
  *Well I never control or manipulate anything, if market goes up after I
  leave then what exactly the problem? I'm with the good guys ^_^ But I see
  that the market goes nowhere, it's locked. By who? I dunno, perhaps by
 your
  bozz. Or Embah. Or Artororo.  [?] I plan to come back sometimes in late
  Oct/early Nov, you make sure I get my discount leh..lolz [?]
 
  All I know right now the market makers are on guard stance, means they
 short
  what you long, and they long what you short. Double kill, while waiting
 for
  more influx of funds, so I expect to see a very tight trading range (if
 you
  insist to waste your worthless time watching lazy market), or have no
  trading at all.
 
  Of course you can still make money if you're good, esp from lowcaps.
 
  Elaine**

 OK dah kalo ntu Ane setuju banget, AGREE gitu loh !!!. BOZZ kite juga tau
 ade orang SONO yang juga minta DISCOUNT lagi, i.e. kemaren FORTIS minta -8%
 2 bulan kedepan, mengkenye IDX dibikin gini dah... ENTE JUAL ANE BELI, ENTE
 BELI ANE JUAL ya kan ??? qeqeqeqeqeqqq...

 Jadi EL mendingan gabung lagi dah ma kita-kita ... hahahahaa...
 BTW heran gue ..ENGLISH ama BETAWI koq bisa 'nyambung' yaa???





 

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[ob] So lazy market...

2009-09-03 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*Very dry, cannot go up or down and it will just stay there. So much since I
left lolz.. [?] I'm sorry...

Elaine*
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Re: [ob] Re: So lazy market...

2009-09-03 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*Well I never control or manipulate anything, if market goes up after I
leave then what exactly the problem? I'm with the good guys ^_^ But I see
that the market goes nowhere, it's locked. By who? I dunno, perhaps by your
bozz. Or Embah. Or Artororo.  [?] I plan to come back sometimes in late
Oct/early Nov, you make sure I get my discount leh..lolz [?]

All I know right now the market makers are on guard stance, means they short
what you long, and they long what you short. Double kill, while waiting for
more influx of funds, so I expect to see a very tight trading range (if you
insist to waste your worthless time watching lazy market), or have no
trading at all.

Of course you can still make money if you're good, esp from lowcaps.

Elaine**
*
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 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Sui elainesu...@... wrote:
 
  *Very dry, cannot go up or down and it will just stay there. So much
 since I
  left lolz.. [?] I'm sorry...
 
  Elaine*
 

 Nice try.hehehehe. Lha koq kemaren baru bilang kagum ama IDX yang gak
 nyungsep kayak SSX. Abis ditinggal malah mabur keatas . qeqeqeqeqqq...
 piye to qie...???



 

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Re: [ob] Re: ADES - gerombolan kah ? atau ada data baru

2009-09-02 Terurut Topik Elaine Sui

*Well Oentoeng was successfully disarmed a terrorist fund. Good job!

Elaine**
*
2009/9/2 phoenix.siver phoenix.si...@yahoo.com

 Pak Oen n teman2..

 Saya mau share dikit neh ttg korban GL. Bbrp hari lalu saya tunggu teman di
 MC Cafe sarinah lalu dihampiri 1 org pria spt org Malay gitu. Bicara in
 english.

 Habis bla2 dikit trus dia tanya agama saya lalu curhat kalo dia minta di
 doakan saham dia. Dia tulis di tissue yaitu L***I. . Wadu. Dia
 blg dia sudah lost banyak di saham itu.

 Pak Oent...mudah2 an ga bertambah banyak korban seperti org itu ya.

 BTW org itu hrsnya ketemu Pak Oent, minta duitnya dibalikkin at least utk
 ongkos plg ke KL aja.. (hihihihi)

 Saya ga tau motif dia apa tak lama saya lsg pergi saja...tatuttt don't like
 to talk 2 stranger.
 Gals hati2 ma pria asing ya...

 Semoga semua mahluk bernahagia..

 Rgds,
 Vera


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 wrote:
 
  --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, tjetjun asiastar@ wrote:
  
   ada yang punya idea, lihat cara mainnya yah gerombolan.
  
 
  Sebelumnya perhatikan saham2 3 liners dimana terjadi peningkatan vol
 maupun frek...
 
  Tips singkat yg akurasinya di atas 80%...
  1. Beli sore jual besok paginya
  2. Jangan beli saat harga saham tsb sdh kelap kelip.
 Artinya running trade sdh dipenuhi random order.
  3. Kalau toh harga tdk pake random order lihatlah chart anda.
 Jangan beli harga di ketinggian.
 
 
  Note: Kalau tidak bisa mengamalkan 3 tips di atas, pesen saya jangan
 coba2 trading di saham2 3 liners (baca kurang likuid), karena 80% anda
 berpeluang BERTEMU dg GL.
 
  Oentoeng
 
  Pawang GL
 




 

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Re: [ob] oot: ti ati kalo nyopet.

*Are you bearish now dear? Good.

Elaine**
*
2009/9/2 artomoro9 artomo...@yahoo.co.id




 ti ati kalo nyopet.

 bulan puasa kalo nyopet biasanya SIAL.

 bisa bonyok di gebukin massa.

 kecuali anda sekelas raja copet spt prof JT.

 lagian kalo ada yang ngajak copet, tanyain dengan jelas: nyopet apa?  di
 harga berapa?
 biar kagak bonyok sendirian di tinggal kabur. hehehe..



 regards,
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Re: [ob] oot: ti ati kalo nyopet.

*Only if he can nuke -1000pts like last year leh [?] Art should be able to do
it easily right?

Elaine**
*
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 EL, not good! You will have to submit your nude pic [?][?]

 2009/9/2 Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com



 *Are you bearish now dear? Good.

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 *
 2009/9/2 artomoro9 artomo...@yahoo.co.id




 ti ati kalo nyopet.

 bulan puasa kalo nyopet biasanya SIAL.

 bisa bonyok di gebukin massa.

 kecuali anda sekelas raja copet spt prof JT.

 lagian kalo ada yang ngajak copet, tanyain dengan jelas: nyopet apa?  di
 harga berapa?
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Re: Bls: [ob] BUMI (TP Rp3,800) - Citigroup: Upgrade to Buy: Leveraged Play on Better Thermal Coal Outlook

*You look pissed, you also mocked other ppl here. What's wrong, dear?

Elaine**
*
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:32 AM, artomoro9 artomo...@yahoo.co.id wrote:

ane tanya kang BAGUS dulu yee..

regards,
A9
disclaimerontheway

--- Pada *Rab, 2/9/09, CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) cumie...@gmail.com*menulis:

Dari: CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) cumie...@gmail.com
Judul: [ob] BUMI (TP Rp3,800) - Citigroup: Upgrade to Buy: Leveraged Play
on Better Thermal Coal Outlook
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Rabu, 2 September, 2009, 11:20 AM

Kali aja pingin ngelawan Jendral Art,
atau jendral Art mo beli di 2225, jual di 3800?

===
BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL!

-- Forwarded message --

*Bumi Resources (BUMI.JK)*

*Upgrade to Buy: Leveraged Play on Better Thermal Coal Outlook*

*Upgrade to Buy/High Risk; Raising target price to Rp3,800 *— Robust
earnings

growth outlook and high FCF yield lead us to upgrade our rating to Buy/High

Risk from Sell/Speculative. The market is pricing in benchmark coal price
of c.

US$76/ton; meaning upside risks to our US$80-90/ton forecasts for 2010-11.

*Supportive coal price outlook *— Citi’s commodities team recently raised
its

thermal coal price forecasts for 2010-11 to US$80-90/ton from US$70, citing

structural improvement. Prospects of China becoming a sustained net
importer

of coal provides upside risks to medium and long-term coal price forecasts.

*Sanity check *— Our IDR3,800 target price imputes an EV/reserve of

USD5.4/ton (6.8% of 2010E Japan benchmark price of US$80/ton). This

compares favorably with the implied EV/reserve from Tata’s acquisition at

US$4/ton (7.3% of 2007 benchmark price of US$55/ton). Our ‘floor valuation’

estimate is Rp2,700/share based on DCF and Tata’s implied EV/reserve

valuation.

*Convertible Bond – Double-Edged Sword *— With coupon rate of 9.25%,
Bumi’s

latest US$375m convertible bond is not cheap. Bumi’s capped call option

reduces the potential dilution risk while its equity swap position
(essentially a

leveraged long position in Bumi’s stock) is an unequivocal signal to us
that

management is bullish on Bumi’s medium and long-term outlook.

*Transfer of Coverage *— We are transferring coverage of BUMI.JK to Kim
Kwie

Sjamsudin from Margarett Go.

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Re: Bls: [ob] BUMI (TP Rp3,800) - Citigroup: Upgrade to Buy: Leveraged Play on Better Thermal Coal Outlook

*Both of you are just kids! [?]

Elaine**
*
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:14 PM, artomoro9 artomo...@yahoo.co.id wrote:




 Ure the Man!


 regards,
 A9


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 Dari: Bagus Putra Perdana disclosure@gmail.com
 Judul: Re: Bls: [ob] BUMI (TP Rp3,800) - Citigroup: Upgrade to Buy:
 Leveraged Play on Better Thermal Coal Outlook
 Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Tanggal: Rabu, 2 September, 2009, 12:03 PM


 DUMP lg sedikit Jendral., angka Citi terlalu fokus sama 2010-2011.
 Less cushion for the downside. Hit it. 2600 and lower. Baru enak liat
 FCF yieldnya. Ure the Man!

 On 9/2/09, artomoro9 
 artomo...@yahoo.co.idhttp://mc/compose?to=artomo...@yahoo.co.id
 wrote:
 
  ane tanya kang BAGUS dulu yee..
 
  regards,
 
  A9
 
  disclaimerontheway
 
  --- Pada Rab, 2/9/09, CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) 
  cumie...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=cumie...@gmail.com
 menulis:
 
  Dari: CUMI.JK (Buy, TP 5000) 
  cumie...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=cumie...@gmail.com
 
  Judul: [ob] BUMI (TP Rp3,800) - Citigroup: Upgrade to Buy: Leveraged Play
 on
   Better Thermal Coal Outlook
  Kepada: 
  obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comhttp://mc/compose?to=obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com
  Tanggal: Rabu, 2 September, 2009, 11:20 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Kali aja pingin ngelawan Jendral Art,
  atau jendral Art mo beli di 2225, jual di 3800?
 
  ===
  BUY, BUY, BUY! KEEP BUYING AND NEVER SELL!
 
 
 
  -- Forwarded message --
  Bumi Resources (BUMI.JK)
 
 
  Upgrade to Buy: Leveraged Play on Better Thermal Coal Outlook
 
  Upgrade to Buy/High Risk; Raising target price to Rp3,800 — Robust
  earnings
 
  growth outlook and high FCF yield lead us to upgrade our rating to
  Buy/High
 
  Risk from Sell/Speculative.. The market is pricing in benchmark
  coal price of c.
 
  US$76/ton; meaning upside risks to our US$80-90/ton forecasts for
  2010-11.
 
   Supportive coal price outlook — Citi’s commodities team
  recently raised its
 
  thermal coal price forecasts for 2010-11 to US$80-90/ton from
  US$70, citing
 
  structural improvement. Prospects of China becoming a sustained
  net importer
 
  of coal provides upside risks to medium and long-term coal price
  forecasts.
 
   Sanity check — Our IDR3,800 target price imputes an
  EV/reserve of
 
  USD5.4/ton (6..8% of 2010E Japan benchmark price of US$80/ton).
  This
 
  compares favorably with the implied EV/reserve from Tata’s
  acquisition at
 
  US$4/ton (7.3% of 2007 benchmark price of US$55/ton). Our ‘floor
  valuation’
 
  estimate is Rp2,700/share based on DCF and Tata’s implied
  EV/reserve
 
  valuation.
 
   Convertible Bond – Double-Edged Sword — With
  coupon rate of 9.25%, Bumi’s
 
  latest US$375m convertible bond is not cheap. Bumi’s capped call
  option
 
  reduces the potential dilution risk while its equity swap position
  (essentially a
 
  leveraged long position in Bumi’s stock) is an unequivocal signal
  to us that
 
  management is bullish on Bumi’s medium and long-term outlook.
 
  Transfer of Coverage — We are transferring coverage of
  BUMI.JK to Kim Kwie
 
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Re: [ob] Shanghai -4%

*Seems like my decision to get out of the market in late July is not that
bad, as late July/early august happened to be the year highest of Shanghai
Index. I'm a bit surprised with IDX though, very tough market.

Give me 50% discount. Hmmm...

Elaine**
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 Mantabb ...

 Ayo kite sorong kiri komo dikit lagi yuk ...

 Sent from my AXIS Worry Free BlackBerry® smartphone

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 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Shanghai -4%
 skrng sudah -6,4%

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 Subject: Re: [ob] Shanghai -4%
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Monday, 31 August, 2009, 1:27 PM

 santai aja..., kalo dji nanti malem ijo tebel besok kita panen

 Ferry wrote:
 
  Hayoo loe..
 



 

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Re: [ob] amazing bagus putra perdana

*Ah, so nice of you.

Elaine**
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2009/8/31 artomoro9 artomo...@yahoo.co.id

gak papa mas BOYZ.

SSE makin merah kok.

ntar sekalian kita jeblosin ke 2250 kalo gitu.

regards,
A9
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Dari: boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg
Judul: Re: [ob] amazing bagus putra perdana
Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Senin, 31 Agustus, 2009, 1:51 PM

ja..ja..jadi ???
range-nya brp kang ocoy ?
jendral arto udah terlanjur jualan banyak tuh... :p
ehehe..

Salam,

2009/8/31 Bagus Putra Perdana disclosure.inc@
gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=disclosure@gmail.com

Book Asset adjustment Pak, semacam shortcut cari asset adjustment. ini
tools iseng sayah yang sebenernya gak reliable tapi buat ngitung ekstra
kilat sih lumayan. basisnya adalah premis bahwa aset ekuitas minimal harus
kasih ROE diatas 15-16% untuk justifikasi boleh dihargai 1X BV.

jadi ROE premium diatas 16% itu berhak mendapat rating lebih, dan rating
BV Premim sekian X nya itu adalah ROE / ROE pasar dipangkat 1.5 karena
asumsinya kelebihan excess dari ROE dapat direinvestment sehingga book value
(aset bagi pemegang ekuitas) bisa compound lebih cepat. aset yang punya ROE
25% secara logis bisa Compound lebih cepat nilai asetnya dari aset yg
generate ROE 15% sehingga nilai BV secara economicnya layak dihargai lebih
tinggi. pangkat 1.5 asumsi holding period 5 tahun pak dan kalo asumsi
holding period diatas 10 tahun dan earningnya terlihat sustain dan visible
saya juga suka kasih angka pangkat 2. ini itungan iseng aja sih. biasa buat
itungan kasar sebelun saya masuk lebih dalem buat bottom up.

wah iya salah hitung sodara2... tengkyu pak irwan, mohon dipersori ini
salah itung soalnya sambil sahur rada ngantuk2 ngitungnya.

emang saya rada kurang enak pake Texas BA enakan pake kalkulator casio
dah.

sori-sori salah itung yang bener angka pak irwan.. nah range nya
berubah lagi dah tuh kan..

(ROE 40.87% karena saya perhitungkan level ini hanya akan sustain untuk
jangka waktu 5 tahun jadi pangkatnya 1.5. di depan itu ROE 40.87% bisa
reinvested constant agak terlalu demanding)

Tools cepet aja Pak, Aproximasi awal. in the end decision mesti tetep cek
balance en sustainable earning masa depan sih. ini tools kalo lagi rada
males bikin input model pro forma sih pak...

2009/8/31 Irwan Napitupulu irwannapitupulu@
gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=irwannapitup...@gmail.com

Ulasan Pak Bagus sangat menarik.

Ada sedikit pertanyaan dari saya tentang hitungan terkait valuasi
khususnya yg saya kutipkan di bawah.

Bisa dijelaskan kenapa memakai angka pangkat 1.5?

Alasan memakai ROE BUMI / ROE Market dan kemudian dikalikan dengan
angka BV nya BUMI kira2 hasilnya menunjukkan angka apa ya?

Oh ya, dari angka2 yg dikasih di bawah, kalkulator saya menghasilkan
angka
bukan 4,136bio USD tapi 7,128bio USD. Bisa tolong dicek lagi, takutnya
saya yang salah hitung.

Kalau memang 7,128bio USD, saya dapat angka harga sahamnya malah Rp3765.

Terima kasih ya sebelumnya.

IAN

2009/8/31 Bagus Putra Perdana disclosure.inc@
gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=disclosure.inc%40gmail.com
:
.
Valuasi

Tapi BUMI masih dalam kondisi operasi yang baik jadi gak mungkin di
likuidasi. So we take another approach to value its asset. Ini rumus
sederhana singkat aja. (ROE BUMI / ROE Market) ^ 1.5 dikali BV (pangkat
1.5
untuk mengakomodasi Re-investment rate 5 tahun dan kali ini memakai
full BV
karena mengasumsikan Intangible berperan juga untuk menggenerate
revenue)

= ((40.87 % / 16 %) ^ 1.5 ) * 1,746 Bio USD = 2.37 * 1,746 = 4,136 Bio
USD

= 4,136 Bio USD / Shares Outstand = Rp 2200

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Re: [ob] Shanghai -4%

*Why ask? I thought you don't believe me.

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 How about BNBR???

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 obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Elaine Sui
 *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2009 3:09 PM

 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [ob] Shanghai -4%





 *Seems like my decision to get out of the market in late July is not that
 bad, as late July/early august happened to be the year highest of Shanghai
 Index. I'm a bit surprised with IDX though, very tough market.

 Give me 50% discount. Hmmm...

 Elaine*

 On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:42 PM, mr_...@yahoo.com wrote:



 Mantabb ...

 Ayo kite sorong kiri komo dikit lagi yuk ...

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 *From*: noto prawiro
 *Date*: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:29:05 -0700 (PDT)


 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject*: Re: [ob] Shanghai -4%

 skrng sudah -6,4%

 --- On *Mon, 31/8/09, Aria Santoso ariasant...@gmail.com* wrote:


 From: Aria Santoso ariasant...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [ob] Shanghai -4%
 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Monday, 31 August, 2009, 1:27 PM

 santai aja..., kalo dji nanti malem ijo tebel besok kita panen

 Ferry wrote:
 
  Hayoo loe..
 



 

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