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sigh Selasa, 06/04/2010 09:20 WIB Bakrie Brothers Rugi Rp 1,627 Triliun Bakrie Brothers (BNBR) membukukan kerugian sebesar Rp 1,627 Triliun di 2009. Kerugian dipicu oleh kenaikan beban usaha sebesar 25,45% dan adanya beban bunga sebesar Rp 1,091 Triliun. Berita Terkait : * Laba 6 Emiten Bakrie Anjlok 81,29% * Laba BUMI Terpangkas 49%
[ob] Sekuritas CM dan Kasus Korupsi PT KA Berkas Kasus Dilimpahkan ke Kejari
http://bandung.detik.com/read/2010/03/15/162638/1318685/486/berkas-kasus-dilimpahkan-ke-kejari Senin, 15/03/2010 16:26 WIB Kasus Korupsi PT KA Berkas Kasus Dilimpahkan ke Kejari Andri Haryanto - detikBandung Bandung - Berkas kasus dugaan korupsi investas PT KA di PT Optima Karya Capital Management (OKCM) sebesar Rp 100 miliar resmi diserahkan ke Kejari Bandung, Senin (15/3/2010). Hal ini disampaikan Marolop Tua Sagala, kuasa hukum Direktur PT Optima Kharya Capital Management (OKCM) Antonius Torang P Siahaan yang merupakan salah satu dari tujuh tersangka. Marolop pun mengaku heran, mengapa berkasnya dilimpahkan ke Kejari. Polda Jabar pada siang tadi telah mendatangi Kejati Jabar untuk menyerahkan berkas. Setelah diterima, Kejati pun langsung menyerahkan berkas tersebut ke Kejari. Saya merasa aneh, kok dilimpahkan ke Kejari, ungkapnya saat ditemui di Kejari Bandung, Jalan Jakarta. Marolop menambahkan, kedatangannya adalah untuk mendampingi Antonius yang sudah berada di Kejari Bandung. Untuk dampingi saja, klien kami, ada di sini (Kejari-red), imbuhnya. Kasus dugaan korupsi di PT KA ini mulai diselidiki Polda Jabar pada 31 Agustus 2009. Pada tahun 2008, PT KA dan PT OKCM melakukan kerjasama untuk investasi. PT KA menyetorkan modal sebesar Rp 100 miliar, di mana dijanjikan akan mendapatkan keuntungan 11 persen setiap bulannya dari modal awal atau Rp 1,1 miliar. Setoran Rp 1,1 miliar dari PT OKCM kepada PT KA terhenti pada Agustus 2008. Sementara modal awal Rp 100 miliar yang harusnya dicairkan pada Desember 2008 pun belum diketahui juntrungannya. Polda Jabar telah menetapkan tujuh tersangka dalam kasus dugaan korupsi PT KA sebesar Rp 100 miliar. Empat dari PT KA yaitu Mantan Dirut PT KA Ronny Wahyudi, Direktur Keuangan non aktif PT KA Ahmad Kuntjoro, Staff PT KA Widiarsono dan Kabid Hukum Bambang. Tiga lagi dari PT OKCM yaitu Mantan Dirut PT OKCM Harjono Kesuma, Manajer Keuangan OKCM Haris Setiawan, dan Dirut PT OKCM Antonius Siahaan. (bbn/lom)
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[ob] JP Morgan: Out of Indonesia if...
If she and/or Boediono are ultimately forced out, foreign investors who regard them as leaders in the effort to modernize business practices and governance are liable to turn sour on the country. JP Morgan Asset Management's Hong Kong office has already been quoted by Reuters as saying that it could sell its Indonesian shares in the short term due to political tensions. “Indonesia is a long-term domestic growth story, but we may take profits in the short term as increasing political noises can potentially delay projects,” vice-president of investment services, Ms Grace Tam, was quoted as saying. http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=2316Itemid=377
[ob] Astro wins $324m award against Lippo
Prime News HOME PRIME NEWS STORY Feb 23, 2010 Astro wins $324m award against Lippo Malaysian firm wins dispute over failed pay-TV venture By Leslie Lopez, Senior Regional Correspondent The award is the latest twist in the crumbling alliance between Mr Ananda (above) and the Riady family which began in 2005 when both groups agreed to set up a joint venture to operate a pay-TV business in Indonesia. -- PHOTO: THE STAR/ ASIA NEWS NETWORK KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysian tycoon T. Ananda Krishnan's satellite television operator Astro has won a roughly US$230 million (S$324 million) award against the Lippo Group from the Singapore International Arbitration Centre (SIAC) over its failed joint-venture into a pay-TV business in Indonesia. The SIAC award, which was handed down last week, could have far-reaching implications on the Indonesia conglomerate which is controlled by the powerful Riady family. Lawyers and bankers familiar with the arbitration said the award allows Mr Ananda's publicly listed Astro All Asia Networks, which operates his satellite TV business, to file claims arising from the compensation from three Lippo-controlled entities including PT First Media Tbk, which is listed on Indonesia's Surabaya Stock Exchange. Astro announced the SIAC award to the Malaysian stock exchange yesterday, according to Bernama news agency. A senior Astro executive declined to discuss details of the SIAC award, which he said are confidential under the arbitration rules. Lippo executives were not immediately available for comment. The SIAC award is the latest twist in the crumbling alliance between Mr Ananda and the Riady family which began in 2005 when both groups agreed to set up a joint venture to operate a pay-TV business in Indonesia through PT Direct Vision (PTDV), which owned a multimedia licence awarded by the Indonesian government. The pay-TV tie-up led to other corporate ventures in a cellular operation in Indonesia and a property venture in Singapore with both groups acquiring Overseas Union Enterprise (OUE) from United Overseas Bank. While the Riadys no longer have any interest in the cellular business, the joint venture into OUE is riddled with problems between the two business groups over how to manage the property company, bankers and lawyers said. They said that the turmoil between Mr Ananda and the Riadys underscored the difficulties of forging inter-regional corporate alliances in South-east Asia. The Lippo group, which is headed by Mr Mochtar Riady and his son James, ranks as one of Indonesia's largest conglomerates with interests in finance, property and infrastructure. Mr Ananda, one of Malaysia's richest businessmen, presides over a multimedia empire, which over the past two decades has successfully melded telecommunications delivery systems and content. From its broadcast centre just outside Kuala Lumpur, Measat satellites beam programming for Astro to consumers in Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia. The satellite is also used by Maxis. Mr Ananda's corporate empire also features holdings in the regional power-generation sector, gaming, shipping and property such as the Maxis Tower, that line-up alongside the Petronas Twin Towers in Kuala Lumpur and the Four Seasons Hotel in Geneva. According to lawyers and bankers familiar with the latest arbitration award, Astro can stake claims for monies granted by the SIAC from PTDV, which is controlled by both PT First Media and another Lippo unit, PY Ayunda Prima Mitra. Several bankers closely tracking the fallout between Mr Ananda and his one-time Indonesian partners said that the Lippo Group would likely challenge the SIAC award in the Jakarta courts. But several corporate lawyers said that awards handed down by the SIAC are governed by what is commonly referred to as the New York Convention, which obliges countries to recognise and enforce arbitration awards made by other jurisdictions. Last year, SIAC handled disputes worth $1.5 billion in sectors such as construction and engineering, shipping and maritime, trade and insurance. It heard 160 cases last year, of which 114 involved foreign parties.
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Kalau boleh nambahain.. Bagi yang mau giving terutama utk anak jalanan, romo I.Sandyawan Sumardi yg sudah kita kenal baik bekerja sehari hari di Jakarta, untuk survivalnya anak anak jalanan tanpa memandang SARA nya. I SANDYAWAN SUMARDI Hp: 08128774044, telp: 021-8308255 silahkan hubungi bila mau ikut bekerja sukarela, atau bagi yg mau menyisihkan dana bisa dikirim melalui account beliau BCA : 3422380300 salam, semoga kita semua diberkatiNya. th From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 8:10:23 PM Subject: Re: [ob] E L T Y Sasha bukan hanya manis luarnya tapi dalemnya juga manis... Udah punya pacar belon ?. hehehe Dulu embah ngomongnya: Survival of the Fittest Sekarang: ALL will survive, PERCAYAlah karena Tuhan Maha Adil Dulu ngomongnya: The more you give, the LESS you will get Sekarang: The more you give, the MORE you will get Kemarin ada posting: SAHABAT ANAK dan diwebnya ada gambar gambar anak anak jalanan. Embah percaya anak anak itu akan bisa SURVIVE dan tumbuh menjadi besar. Alam, Lingkungan, Masyarakat dan Tuhan akan menjaga anak anak tsb. Coba anda liat photo photo anak itu: www.sahabatanak.com http://nutrisiuntuksahabatku.wordpress.com Dan buktikan 30 tahun lagi, anak anak itu akan survive, tumbuh menjadi kuat dibawah tempaan kehidupan yg keras. Embah percaya dengan filosofi: - ALL WILL SURVIVE - Yang lemah akan jadi Kuat - Yang Kuat dan lengah akan jadi lemah Karena alam sekitar dan Tuhan akan menjaga dan melindungi mereka termasuk anda --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, sasha winata sashawin...@... wrote: ikut rembuk dikit ya Mbah. perbuatan baik adalah KUNCI untk membesarkan HOKI,semakin banyak kita berbuat baik semakin banyak pula HOKI yg akan di beri kan NYA.(berbuat baik dng IKLAS lho ya). sikap ini bukan berarti kita ber BISNIS dengan NYA.jika kita merasa sudah berbuat baik tp hoki nya belum bertambah itu arti nya perbuatan baik kita masih kurang,dan mungkin juga itu adalah suatu KEBERHASILAN YANG TERTUNDA.(minimal kita already on track). kadang ada juga yg berpikir sering di berikan MASALAH walaupun sudah berbuat baik,tp harus nya kita ber TERIMA KASIH kepada NYA,sebab MASALAH yg di berikan NYA kepada kita JUSTRU akan membuat kita BERTAMBAH DEWASA.dan itu adalah BEKAL di waktu kita SUKSES nanti... Slm S NB:APA PUN BISA TERJADI,JIKA ITU ADALAH KEHENDAK NYA. --- Pada Kam, 28/1/10, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... menulis: Dari: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... Judul: RE: [ob] E L T Y Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Kamis, 28 Januari, 2010, 6:11 PM  Pak Rei,  Apakah Hokie bisa dipindahkan dari instruktur ke pengikut kursus ?.  Pak SB bilang Hokie itu domainnya YMK jadi tergantung kita dengan Tuhan.  Mungkin aja bisa dikasih tahu harus ngapain agar Hokie bisa jadi lebih banyak.  Mungkin dengan: Beribadah, Berbuat baik, Beramal, Dekat dengan Tuhan, Happy, Optimis, Terbuka, Tidak serakah, Tidak Egois, Tidak mau menang sendiri, Tidak merugikan/menyakiti orang lain dan lain lain, tapi engga tahulah Embah engga paham soal begini...  Kong, Gimana caranya ngedein Hokie ?.  From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- ban...@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Rei Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:57 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] E L T Y  Wakakakaka! Join forces aja kong sama pak JT. Kan pak JT bisa ada 1 section, hokie dalam trading hahaha... 2010/1/28 SbudianaYCS sbudi...@yahoo. com.sg  JT, Bukan cuma disitu aja, Engkong mah punya bertahap turun ampe di 200, semua uda TP, krn waktu masang buynya ga pake susah2 di hitung2, kalo harganya uda dibawah habitatnya mah, tiap malam Pasang aja order bererot sprti antrian mobil kalo lg macet, begitu turun digilas dah, trus pajang di warung ampe ada yg beli, ga ada cerita pake CL, btw kalo kt buka kursus model gini laku ga yah hehehe. Lumayan kaleee buat tambahan hihihi.jadi ngiler jg wuahahaha... GBUs Always, SB Sent from my BlackBerry ® Wireless Device From: JT™ jsxtra...@yahoo. com Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:11:49 + To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] E L T Y Wakakaka Bener kong.., kalo yg ngga siap CL entrynya emang kudu di 245-250 Itu level supportnya Guys..., tuh si engkong beli di Support kuat.., artinye die pake TA juga. Cuma udh hafal dikepalanya, ngga perlu liat chart lagi... Hehehe www.jsxtrader. com “ Trade By Rules, Not HOPE “ From: SbudianaYCS sbudi...@yahoo. com.sg Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:01:19 + To: Obrolan Bandarobrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] E L T Y
Re: [ob] Street smart.... Pak Budiyana
Saya pikir apa yg pak SB share adalah yg disebut street smart, dari pengalaman bertahun tahun dan diobservasi sendiri. Kayak contohnya : bandar kertas, dia udah ga pake timbangan lagi utk tau ini kertas berapa gram beratnya..diraba aja udah tau dia ini HVS atau apa, berapa gram dll. Atau tukang wine yg pake diputer puter itu wine digelas.. dicium cium wanginya.. saya mah boro boro wanginya, kaga kecium apa apa selain bau alkohol ama anggur doang.. Spt contoh ada teman yg juga mengatakan eh kalau saham X turun biasanya saham Y itu naik..gw udah berkali kali perhatiin.. Ga pake teori apa apa cuman krn observasi panjang.. Dan dia buktikan dng trading pake cara tsb. Ga dishare disini takut diketawain katanya. What ever, if it works for you then it suit your purposes. Thanks pak SB to remind me on that.. th
Re: [ob] Re: Sell IHSG , Buy BUMI.... Top mover B7
Pak SB, Barusan update Chartnexus.. liat top mover hari ini dari ranking 1 - 7 = B7.. wah wah.. Salam sejahtera th From: SbudianaYCS sbudi...@yahoo.com.sg To: Obrolan Bandar obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 11:34:59 PM Subject: Re: [ob] Re: Sell IHSG , Buy BUMI Pak Budiyana B7 hampir lengkap punya semua Mbah
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[ob] Rating Fitch utk Indonesia naik
http://johnroosa-dpm.blogspot.com/ Fitch upgrades Indonesia (Business Times (Malaysia)) The stock market jumped over 80 per cent and bonds posted equity-like returns last year as investors have been attracted by the tantalising prospect that relatively stable politics and healthy economic growth could catapult the country ... Action News Blast - http://www.actionnewsblast.com/
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Re: [ob] Temperatur OB pagi ini cukup tinggi..... hehehe....
Yaitu pihak BD dan Retail kejedut jika kasus Dubai membesar... Membesar keliatannya mbah... bursa yg buka ancur ancuran, Dow Fut minus 317.. Asian stocks tumble amid Dubai fears, dollar slump Asian stocks tumble after European rout amid Dubai debt fears; dollar slumps against yen * By Jeremiah Marquez, AP Business Writer * On 2:43 am EST, Friday November 27, 2009 * Buzz up! 0* Print HONG KONG (AP) -- Asian stock markets tumbled Friday, with Hong Kong and South Korea down about 5 percent, as fears mounted over the fallout from Dubai's massive debt problems and the dollar continued its slide against the Japanese yen. AP - A money trader work at a dealing room the U.S. dollar rate against Japanese yen on the Foreign ... It was the region's second day of losses and followed a rout in European markets. Oil, meanwhile, dived to near $74 a barrel. Investors cut back their riskier bets on equities and commodities after Dubai World, the emirate's main development engine, announced it was asking creditors to delay paying back its $60 billion debt. The news triggered fears of a massive default and a wave of heavy losses at banks and companies exposed to its debt that could cause more financial pain just as the global economy is starting to recover. Also dampening the mood was the slumping dollar, which weakened to a new 14-year low below 85 yen, dragging down shares of Japanese exporters like automaker Nissan and electronics maker Sharp. Investors were searching for shelter against the increased volatility and falls in risky assets, Dariusz Kowalczyk, chief investment strategist for SJS Markets in Hong Kong, said in a note. Many chose to opt for the Japanese yen. In Tokyo, the Nikkei 225 stock average fell 301.72 points, or 3.2 percent, to 9,081.52. Hong Kong's main index dived 1,111.28, or 5 percent, to 21,099.13. Elsewhere, South Korea's Kospi benchmark plummeted 4.7 percent to 1,524.50 and Australia's index dropped 2.9 percent. China's main Shanghai stock measure was off 2.4 percent. Certain banks got hit especially hard amid jitters about any losses they might suffer from their exposure to Dubai World. In Hong Kong trade, HSBC tanked 6.1 percent and Standard Chartered fell 5.8 percent; both British-based banks have substantial Middle East operations. Uncertainty over the ripple effects from Dubai World's financial woes sent European markets plummeting Thursday, with benchmarks in Britain, Germany and France all losing more than 3 percent. U.S. markets were closed Thursday for the Thanksgiving holiday. But Friday was likely to be a rough session on Wall Stree with futures pointing sharply lower. Dow futures were down 327, or 3.1 percent, to 10,115. Oil prices retreated in Asian trade, with benchmark crude for January delivery falling $3.87 to $74.06 a barrel. The dollar was lower at 86.05 yen from 86.54 yen after swooning as low as 84.81. The euro fell to $1.4850 from $1.5021.
Dubai World ELTY joint venture ~ Re: [ob] http://www.dubaiworld.ae/en/Index.html
Jointnya ama ELTY ya http://www.dubaiworldmedia.net/news/indonesia From: Anggodo bintang Lima wasi...@yahoo.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 27, 2009 8:20:04 PM Subject:[ob] http://www.dubaiworld.ae/en/Index.html Bakri nya Dubai kali yaaa Menambah banyak teman sangatlah mudah dan cepat. Undang teman dari Hotmail, Gmail ke Yahoo! Messenger sekarang!
Dubai ripple effects ~ Re: [ob] FUND and WAVE analysis
Dubai debt fears hit world markets hard Dubai debt fears, dollar slide hit world stock markets hard * By Pan Pylas, AP Business Writer * On 11:54 am EST, Thursday November 26, 2009 * Buzz up! 38 * Print LONDON (AP) -- World stock markets tumbled Thursday as investors fretted over the debt problems at Dubai World, a government investment company, and the continuing slide in the dollar, which earlier fell to a 14-year low against the yen. AP - A Tokyo money dealer looks at a memo as the U.S. dollar is traded at 86.64 yen on ... Markets are usually relatively quiet when Wall Street is closed for a holiday, as it is Thursday for Thanksgiving Day. Not so today, as the rest of the world digested the stunning news from Dubai that the government's flagship investment company was in financial trouble. European markets followed Asia lower with the FTSE 100 index of leading British shares closing down 170.68 points, or 3.2 percent, at 5,194.13, having been out of action earlier for over three hours because of technical problems. Germany's DAX fell 188.85 points, or 3.2 percent, to 5,614.17 while the CAC-40 in France was 129.93 points, or 3.4 percent, lower at 3,679.23. Sentiment in stocks was dented by the news that Dubai World, which is thought to have debts totaling around $60 billion, has asked creditors if it can postpone its forthcoming payments until May. That stoked fears of a potential default and contagion around the global financial system, particularly in banks and emerging markets. Fear of sovereign default in the Middle East rattled the markets, said Jane Foley, research director at Forex.com. Banks bore the brunt of the selling in Europe, amid fears of potential exposure to Dubai. In London, Royal Bank of Scotland PLC was down nearly 8 percent, making it the biggest faller on the FTSE. In Germany, Deutsche Bank was the biggest faller on the DAX, down around 6 percent. Investors were also keeping a close eye on associated developments in the currency markets after the dollar slid to a new 14-year low of 86.27 yen, while the euro pushed up to a fresh 15-month high of $1.5141. By late afternoon London time, the dollar had recouped some ground and was trading at 86.55 yen, down 0.9 percent on the day, while the euro was 1 percent lower at $1.4988. The continued appreciation in the value of the yen continued to dent Japanese stocks as investors worry that the rising currency will have a detrimental effect on the country's exports. Japan's Nikkei 225 stock average fell 58.40 points, or 0.6 percent, to 9,383.24. Kit Juckes, chief economist at ECU Group, said the developments in Dubai and in the currency markets are related as the fall in risk appetite has pushed money into government bonds and into safe haven currencies such as the Swiss franc and the yen. This, he said, is testing the tolerance of central banks to see their currencies cause further damage to their economies. Already there have been unconfirmed reports that the Swiss National Bank has intervened to buy dollars to prevent the export-sapping appreciation of the Swiss franc. Meanwhile, Japanese Finance Minister Hirohisa Fujii tried to assure the market he was closely monitoring the situation and would take appropriate steps if foreign exchange rates move abnormally. But that did little to ease investor worries. Across all markets, there is a growing awareness that investors may use the upcoming year-end to lock-in whatever profits have been made over the last 12 months. Gold has been one of the biggest high-flyers over the last few months, having gained over 10 percent in November alone. It continued to rise Thursday as investors bought it up as a safe haven. It hit a new record high earlier of $1,196.8 an ounce, before falling back modestly. By late afternoon London time, gold was down 0.4 percent at $1,182.50 an ounce. Oil also fell alongside stocks -- the two have traded alongside each other for much of this year. Benchmark crude for January delivery was down $1.85, or 2.4 percent, at $76.11 a barrel. On Wednesday, it rose $1.94. Earlier in Asia, the Shanghai index tanked 119.19 points, or 3.6 percent, to close at 3,170.98, its biggest one-day fall since August 31, while Hong Kong's Hang Seng shed 1.8 percent to 22,210.41. Elsewhere in Asia, markets in Australia, Singapore, Taiwan and Indonesia closed lower. AP Business Writer Jeremiah Marquez contributed to this report from Hong Kong.
[ob] Artikel bagus: Dibelakang rally dahsyat saham 2009
* BusinessWeek * Business Exchange * Wednesday November 4, 2009 New Business November 24, 2009, 7:34PM EST text size: TT Behind the Great Stock Rally of 2009 There may not be much to the rally beyond herd-like momentum, but that could keep the stock market going even into next year By Roben Farzad and Tara Kalwarski The U.S. economy is coping with alarmingly high double-digit unemployment, a widening commercial real estate bust, and over-indebted consumers. Few think the economic recovery now under way will be a spectacular one in 2010. So why has the stock market surprised skeptics by powering higher in recent weeks? One explanation being bandied about by equity strategists and portfolio managers is that the stock market may be in the midst of a momentum-driven trading phenomenon known as a melt up that has precious little to do with economic fundamentals. A melt up is a rapid and mass rush by investors into an asset class after a belated realization by market players that worthwhile gains are to be had there. Part herd mentality, part self-fulfilling prophecy, this trading behavior is amplified by the age-old tendency of fund managers and retail investors to chase returns in the hopes of making up for lost time and lagging performance. The U.S. stock market is enjoying an explosive rally that has humbled plenty of bears, who have been predicting a deep correction for several months now. Instead, the Standard Poor's 500-stock index has soared 63% since its Mar. 9 low and is up 22% for 2009. Where's the Support? That has left plenty of money pros rethinking their market outlook. We've spent a considerable time of late assessing the conditions for a melt up, admits Bernie Schaeffer, chief executive of Schaeffer's Investment Research. He says he is baffled at how the market's rally this year has essentially been devoid of improved investor sentiment and big inflows into domestic equity funds. While bond funds have taken in nearly $330 billion so far this year, U.S. stock funds have lost almost $28 billion. A handful of big institutional investors and hedge funds, rather than retail investors, have been responsible for the lion's share of buying this year. In fact, overall there is far greater investor enthusiasm for asset classes other than U.S. equities. Emerging markets, which have outperformed their American counterpart, are being deluged with fresh money. The red-hot junk bond market is also attracting heavy investor interest. Even gold coins are being hoarded as the yellow metal keeps breaking records. Mom-and-pop investors in U.S. stocks, meanwhile, are only slightly less bearish than they were in March, when the market hit a 12½-year low. Yet that could change, given the impressive performance this year in the SP 500 and Nasdaq Composite Index (NDAQ), up about 38% in 2009. If 2010 starts out strong as well, says Schaeffer, the fear of missing out on stock returns could prove irresistible. Not coincidentally, January happens to be high season for personal finance introspection—with outsized attention paid to the past year's performance column and the coming year's retirement account funding. A bigger and more pronounced money shift into stocks early next year could be also induced by diminishing returns in many segments of the bond market. There is every indication that investors are scraping the bottom of the fixed-income barrel. Three-month Treasury bills, that redoubt of ultraliquidity and safety, are yielding just 0.03%. A negative yield, where people actually pay the government to safeguard their money, could be in the offing. On the other end of the curve, the 10-year Treasury note yields 3.3%, a rate that skeptics argue does not begin to buffer holders from the real risk of inflation a few years out. The Federal Reserve doesn't just slash short-term interest rates to help banks; it does so to make sitting on cash painful enough to force investors back into the risk-reward economy. Which might not be that difficult an undertaking if there weren't so much idle cash out there—a remnant of last year's panic and subsequent spate of bank failures and bailouts, the likes of which made return of money outprioritize return on money. Pressure to Get into the Stock Market After nearly touching $4 trillion in January, money fund assets were last clocked at $3.339 trillion, according to the Investment Company Institute. Barring another crisis, the hunt for yield will prompt more drawdowns from this sizable balance and perhaps shift more funds into stocks. What I'm expecting is people being forced to get in, says Peter Grandich, a veteran investor newsletter editor. The vast majority of money is managed by professionals who are gauged and measured on performance, a lot of which is judged by the quarter, he adds. In 2008 people yelled at them for not getting them out; in 2009, people are getting yelled at for not
[ob] MSCI World Index of 23 developed markets slid 0.4 percent
Dow Fut dari - 30 (15:45) skrg plus 10 (18:00) http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/futures.html Stocks Fall on China Bank Capital Concern; Dollar, Yen Advance By David Merritt http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087sid=a96Cuh137CUIpos=2 Nov. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Stocks fell around the world, led by China, on concern banks will be forced to raise more capital. The dollar and the yen strengthened as investors sold higher- yielding assets. The MSCI World Index of 23 developed markets slid 0.4 percent at 10:17 a.m. in London, while the Shanghai Composite Index dropped 3.5 percent, the biggest decline since August. The Dollar Index rose 0.3 percent and the yen climbed against all 16 of the most traded currencies tracked by Bloomberg. Copper led a decline in industrial metals Bill Gross, who runs the world’s biggest bond fund at Pacific Investment Management Co.,increased his holdings of government-related debt to 63 percent, the highest proportion since July 2004. Gross boosted his $192.6 billion Total Return Fund’s investment in Treasuries, so-called agency debt and other U.S. government-linked bonds from 48 percent of assets in September while reducing his position in mortgages to the smallest since May 2004, according to data on Pimco’s Web site yesterday. To contact the reporter on this story: David Merritt in London atdmerri...@bloomberg.net.last Updated: November 24, 2009 05:38 EST
Re: [ob] Re: Buku Elliott Wave
Buku yg ditulis Prechter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Prechter#Books it]Books Among the books Prechter has authored, coauthored, or edited are: * Frost and Prechter, with a foreword by Charles J. Collins. (1978-2001). Elliott Wave Principle: Key to Market Behavior. John Wiley and Sons. ISBN 0-471-98849-9. * Ralph Nelson Elliott ; edited and foreworded by Robert R. Prechter, Jr. (1993-1997). R.N. Elliott's Market Letters. New Classics Library. ISBN 0-932750-20-6. * with a foreword by Robert R. Prechter ; and a biography by A.J. Frost (1994). Complete Elliott Wave Writings of A. Hamilton Bolton. New Classics Library. ISBN0-932750-22-2. * edited by Robert R. Prechter, Jr. (1997). The Elliott Wave Writings of A.J. Frost and Richard Russell. Bookworld Services. ISBN 0-932750-47-8. * Robert R. Prechter, Jr. (1997). At the Crest of the Tidal Wave. John Wiley and Sons. ISBN 0-471-97954-6. * Robert R. Prechter, Jr. (1999). The Wave Principle of Human Social Behavior and the New Science of Socionomics. New Classics Library. ISBN 0-932750-49-4. * edited by Robert R. Prechter. (2002). Market Analysis for the New Millennium. New Classics Library. ISBN 0-932750-52-4. * Robert R. Prechter, Jr. (2002). Conquer the Crash: You Can Survive and Prosper in a Deflationary Depression. John Wiley and Sons. ISBN 0-470-87090-7. * Robert R. Prechter, Jr. (2003). Beautiful Pictures. New Classics Library. ISBN 0-932750-60-5. * Robert R. Prechter, Jr. (2003). View from the Top of the Grand Supercycle. New Classics Library. ISBN 0-932750-55-9. * Robert R. Prechter, Jr. (2003). Pioneering Studies in Socionomics. New Classics Library. ISBN 0-932750-56-7. * Robert R. Prechter, Jr. ; edited by Peter Kendall. (1996). Prechter's Perspective. New Classics Library. ISBN 0932750400. * edited, foreworded, and with a biography by Robert R. Prechter, Jr. (2005). R.N. Elliott's Master Works. New Classics Library. ISBN 0-932750-76-1. * How to Forecast Gold and Silver Using the Wave Principle. New Classics Library. 2006. ISBN 0-932750-77-X. * Peter Kendall and Robert R. Prechter, Jr. (2009). The Mania Chronicles : A Real-Time Account of the Great Financial Bubble (1995-2008) . New Classics Library.ISBN 0932750591.
Re: [ob] Info: DJI Future +74
DJI Fut + 55 (15:40 WIB) From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 2:35:39 PM Subject: [ob] Info: DJI Future +74 Info: DJI Future +74 Jam 14:35 + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[ob] BNI dibeli Warren Buffet ~ beli saham
WB ini bervisi sangat panjang. Moda transportasi kereta api adalah bagian dari supply chain system yang efisien. Lihat reasoning analisisnya ini dan bandingkan dengan moda transportasi lainnya: moved on average a ton of goods 471 miles on one gallon of diesel and it releases far fewer pollutants into the atmosphere. Ilustrasi : Moda ini sangat disadari oleh RRC (Tiongkok), thn 49 mereka mewarisi 11.000 km jaringan KA, saat ini mereka memiliki jaringan 70.000 km jaringan (klo dari panjang rel riel sudah lebih dari 120.000 km krn ada track triple, dan double track). Kita punya thn 49 waktu Belanda meninggalkan Indonesia sejauh 7000 km dan saat ini jaringan rel kita sekitar 4000 km saja.. Belum rencana Trans Asia Railway yang begitu hebat di gagas Mahatir Muhammad thn 80an lalu.. Trans Asia Road.. Bila Ekonomi Indonesia ingin jadi no 5 didunia (mimpi kita), maka jaringan infrastructure, supply chain system harus bisa mendukung. Warren Buffet bervisi 30 ~ lebih ..makanya dia beli BNI.. Dia bukan beli perusahaan kereta api tapi perusahaan infrastructure, usaha transportasi, logistik, supply chain supplier.. itu visinya.. Myopia ini perusahaan kereta api itu yg dipegang oleh para usahawan KA di pertengahan abad lalu sehingga bangkrut krn datangnya angkutan udara, mobil.. Nanti kita lihat dia akan masuk juga ke efisiensi inter moda mungkin dengan membeli perusahaan terkait supply chain yg efisien (intermoda dng trucking, angkutan udara, laut, sungai, danau..), pembuat perangkat lunak, dll..dll... th On 11/4/09, anru.s...@gmail. com anru.s...@gmail. com wrote: Luar biasa ya... Bentuk lama transportasi yg malah dipilih. Perusahaan2 besar mikir 2x utk dikirim via ka. kecuali perusahaan tsb promosi besar2an utk harga. Too much cost n time.
[ob] DJ minus 2.51%
BNBR to go to Rp. 50? BUMI Rp. 1.100? Ellaine, no wonder she has gone fishing.. Ratu Sima on her spa .. Buffet will says: Buy..while others scare to death.. Dow Jones sliding crash Dow 9,712.73 -249.85 -2.51%
US 200 / barrel ~ Re: [ob] Oil may hit $100 per barrel 2009/2010
Peak oil:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil 4 reason why: 1. Depleted reserve (see the chart above) 2. Demand soaring 3. Exploration is less 4. Many oil producing well already under invested. Consensus among oil indsutrialist soon oil reach US$ 200.. Effect to us in Indonesia? See comment on Detik recently: with constant US$ 80/barrel our forex will be depleted, subsidy will reach new high.. Grim? Yes.. Oil may hit $100 per barrel 2009/2010 Goldman Sachs is calling for $85 oil by the end of 2009 T Boone Pickens is calling for $100 oil by Q4 2010 Morgan Stanley is calling for $105 oil by 2011 -MoneyBlog- Oil prices may surge to $100 a barrel sometime in the next two quarters as the U.S. dollar weakens against the euro, Deutsche Bank energy economist Adam Sieminski said Friday. ”We think the dollar could weaken further to $1.60 against the euro and it implies pushing oil prices to that threatening triple-digit level,” Sieminski told Reuters. A weaker dollar could mean “oil prices have even further to run,” but a rise to $100 a barrel may hurt an economic recovery, Deutsche Bank said in a research note. “We believe that $80 oil is not high enough to derail the global recovery, but our economics team would start looking for weaker overall consumption at $100 a barrel prices,” the note said. Oil prices rose to a one-year high of $82 earlier this week, after rallying 17 per cent since Oct. 10. That rise coincided with a rise in global stock indices and a weakener dollar, which plunged to a 14-month low above $1.50 per euro this week .Oil, priced in dollars, has been moving in an inverse price relation against the dollar. Global oil and product inventories remain well above average levels.”The ‘traditional fundamentals’ are improving, but only slowly,” he wrote.OPEC members could be put in a “difficult position” when they meet in December to consider whether to boost oil production and cool prices.” OPEC may want to calm the market with more crude, but it’s not clear that refiners have an appetite to take it,” Sieminski wrote. Deutsche Bank has kept its 2010 oil price outlook at an average $65 a barrel, below today’s price near $81. Sieminski said the lower price outlook was in part due to still high global inventories. Global oil demand plunged last year amid a financial crisis and after oil prices spiked to a record above $147 in July, before falling to nearly a five-year low near $32 in December I anticipate us being in triple digit territory for the benchmark crude---West Texas intermediate---by the end of the winter. And I anticipate gasoline prices by the Memorial Day weekend, which is usually the peak of the North American driving season, approaching $4 a gallon, or a buck-thirty, buck-forty a litre prices that we saw in Canada. Oil filled radiator heaters help users to successfully warm any room in their house. The heating units are handy which makes them very good in winter months. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: Bls: [ob] Hatta Menko EKUIN, BAD SIGN?
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/10/20/seen-not-heard-what-happened-kuntoro.html Maybe the statement here reflects paling pas: Dead on Arrival.. Dont try to understand the dagang sapi.. The market probably say it all: minus .. From: James Arifin james.ari...@gmail.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 1:14:38 PM Subject: Re: Bls: [ob] Hatta Menko EKUIN, BAD SIGN? Selain itu emang Pak Boediono nggak turut menangani ekonomi?
Happiness~ Re: [ob] Re: Mohon maaf lahir
Kebahagiaan itu perjalanannya, bukan tujuan... Ia butir butir yang kita sadari untuk menikmati sebagai kebahagiaan, day in day out. th Sambil nunggu jawaban dari Suhu Erwin, embah coba jawab: - Kebahagian itu selalu harus kita kejar dan jaga agar tidak hilang karena kebahagian bisa hilang dengan hilangnya jabatan, harta, orang yg disayangi, sakit dll. - Tapi True Happiness seharusnya adalah kebahagian yg sifatnya lebih kekal dan tidak tergantung dari materi atau orang lain - Tapi apakah bisa orang miskin atau sakit bahagia ?. - Kalo kata embah: Jawabannya BISA, embah yakin banyak orang yg 'tidak beruntung' didunia ini tapi mereka bahagia. Jadi kebahagian BIASA dikejar dengan mencari harta, jabatan, kesehatan dll tapi True Happiness harus dicapai dengan MENGENALI dan MENGUASAI pikiran, perasaan dan nafsu kita sendiri. Gimana pak Edwin, bener engga ? ... hehehe...
[ob] WSJ- 21 Sep 09 : A Bear Market Lurks as Dow Nears 10000
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125348077553125915.html A Bear Market Lurks as Dow Nears 1 Rarely has the stock market seen a six-month rally like the one it just turned in. The Dow Jones Industrial Average's 46% surge was one of just six of that magnitude in the last 100 years. And that is exactly what worries many analysts. All previous rallies of this magnitude took place in the 1930s and the 1970s, according to Ned Davis Research. Those were periods of turbulence for both the economy and the markets, and none of the gains was sustained. Many analysts believe that stocks are again in such a turbulent period, and that this rally could lead ...
Re: [ob] Index coal DJUSCL
http://app.quotemedia.com/quotetools/popups/quote.jsp?webmasterId=92543 Grafik coal global Mbah ini kalau blm tahu, kali bermanfaat, dari Stowe Global Coal Indexes : http://stowe.snetglobalindexes.com/index.php Utk industrial global info : http://www.worldcoal.org/ Kali bermanfaat utk informasi sekitar batu bara.. DJUSCL bertengger masih di 265 (9 Sep 09) naik 1.0*% ( From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 8:43:10 PM Subject: [ob] Index coal DJUSCL Index coal ^DJUSCL Saat ini DJUSCL 252, dan discount 50% sudah jadi 0% http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwldjuscl.htm - DJUSCL saat ini ada pada Previous High - Kita tunggu apakah index coal akan bikin New High ?.
Re: [ob] Index coal DJUSCL
Maaf link ini salah :http://app.quotemedia.com/quotetools/popups/quote.jsp?webmasterId=92543 Seharusnya: http://www.quotemedia.com/results.php?qm_page=33777qm_symbol=DJUSCL DJUSCL bertengger masih di 265 (9 Sep 09) naik 1.0*% (
[ob] Apa dampak penemuan BP di Teluk Meksiko?
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_37/b4146000578301.htm?link_position=link1
Re: [ob] MISTERI LEMBU SEKILAN (PART 2)
http://www.cnbc.com/id/31187744/ Boom, Bust and Blame .. misteri Biruang dan Mahisa
[ob] Turun ampir 2% ~ DJ Updates
Dow 9,310.60 -185.68 -1.96%
[ob] Nikkei REGIONAL
NIKKEI 225 (07:23 WIB) (Osaka: ^N225) Index Value:10,252.90 Trade Time:8:23PM ET Change: 277.16 (2.63%) Prev Close:10,530.06 Open:10,378.08 Day's Range:10,245.58 - 10,378.08
[ob] Done 2,280.20 Ane belanja
Udah tuh...tercapai.. 2170 hedge fund kabur semua ..
Re: [ob] Bls: SSEC in short field description
SSE menurut Guppy harus bisa nahan diatas 2400 atau ya ambless.. http://www.cnbc.com/id/32502746
Re: [ob] sabododeh
Index properti naik 4.1% (14:50) From: Lucky Trader soluckytra...@gmail.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:52:52 PM Subject: Re: [ob] sabododeh Jadi mo hajar apa nih bang, Property sptnya sudah masuk jarak tembak ya ? BSDE CTRS chartnya looks good any view ? -LT
[ob] Re:Range wajar BUMI
Dari beberapa analis, BUMI, sekitar range Rp. 2400 ~ 2700.- wajar.. utk saat sekarang sekarang ini. ASII blm dpt wangsit. (sorry ga bisa disclosed sources). From: artomoro9 artomo...@yahoo.co.id To: ob obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:00:37 PM Subject: [ob] amazing bagus putra perdana setelah baca ulasan2 kang bagus ini, bener bener bagus banget. sayangnya banyak sekali istilah yang ane kaga ngarti.. ane mau minta tolong berapa sih sebenarnya harga wajar saat ini untuk BUMI DAN ASII. gak perlu dijelasin pake metode apa. ane pusing ntar bacanya. langsung aja. harga wajar bumi sekian, asii sekian. dah gitu aja. trims ya. maklum kaga pinter ngitung. regards, A9
[ob] Roubini : Double dip ~ Most red ink
Bad news: Noriel Roubini aka Dr Doom not yet becoming a convert Dr Boom: He warns 12 hours ago: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/recession/6080523/Nouriel-Roubini-warns-threat-of-double-dip-recession-is-rising.html Nouriel Roubini warns threat of double-dip recession is rising The man credited as the prophet of the financial crisis has warned of the growing threat of a global, double-dip recession, where the economy briefly recovers before slipping back into contraction. ( klik linknya klo mo baca lengkap)
Re: [ob] Re: Mbah, B 7
Mbah, liat di hari ini saham B7 ini menurun, tapi turun dlm range yg pendek taktiktok.. saya coba pikir what tactical yg lagi di pakai.. turun kecil kecil saja bolak balik kaya strikaan.. Distribusi? Symbol Last Trade Change Volume Avg Vol (3m) Open Day's Range Bid Size - - - - - BNBR-W.JK 12:17am ET 54.00 1.00 1.82% 771,000 15,668,700 55 53.00 - 55.00 - - - - - - BNBR.JK 12:31am ET 125.00 2.00 1.57% 218,857,000 1,357,380,000 126 124.00 - 127.00 - - - - - - BTEL.JK 12:31am ET 141.00 1.00 0.70% 50,616,500 503,526,000 142 139.00 - 142.00 - - - - - - BUMI.JK 12:31am ET 3,025.00 50.00 1.63% 83,653,500 453,496,000 3,025 3,000.003,050.00 - - - - - - - DEWA-W.JK 12:31am ET 55.00 2.00 3.51% 7,526,500 87,082,100 55 55.00 - 56.00 - - - - - - DEWA.JK 12:31am ET 215.00 0.00 0.00% 7,046,500 382,520,000 215 215.00 - 220.00 - - - - - - ELTY-W.JK 12:29am ET 124.00 4.00 3.12% 10,427,000 14,456,000 125 120.00 - 126.00 - - - - - - ELTY.JK 12:31am ET 365.00 10.00 2.67% 62,091,000 328,000,000 365 360.00 - 370.00 - - - - - - ENRG.JK 12:30am ET 400.00 10.00 2.44% 36,916,500 292,526,000 405 395.00 - 405.00 - - - - - - UNSP-W.JK 12:22am ET 260.00 10.00 3.70% 1,208,500 1,265,810 265 255.00 - 265.00 - - - - - - UNSP.JK 12:31am ET 930.00 10.00 1.06% 46,384,500 118,557,000 920 910.00 - 940.00 - From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:06:26 PM Subject: [ob] Re: Mbah, where are you...? http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwihsg.png - Ada 2 wave yg lagi bekerja mempengaruhi IHSG, yaitu: wave biru dan wave merah. - Wave biru SANGAT dipengaruhi oleh DJI yg lagi naik (Fundamental/Sentimen Driven) - Wave merah dipengaruhi oleh Bakrie group yg lagi turun (Driven by Fund Movement) - Jadi perhatikan 2 faktor PENTING tsb karena pengaruhnya sangat SIGNIFICANT. a 2 wave yg lagi bekerja mempengaruhi IHSG, yaitu: wave biru dan wave merah. - Wave biru SANGAT dipengaruhi oleh DJI yg lagi naik (Fundamental/Sentimen Driven) - Wave merah dipengaruhi oleh Bakrie group yg lagi turun (Driven by Fund Movement) - Jadi perhatikan PERKEMBANGAN 2 faktor PENTING ini karena pengaruhnya sangat SIGNIFICANT. + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[ob] Indonesian palm oil producer First Resources issues $100 million CB
Equity News Indonesian palm oil producer First Resources issues $100 million CBBy Anette Jönsson, | 21 August 2009 Read this article online at: http://www.financeasia.com/article.aspx?CIID=153549 The convertible is well-received by both outright investors and hedge funds despite coming on the back of a near 300% gain in First Resources' share price since the March lows. Indonesian crude palm oil (CPO) producer First Resources last night raised $100 million from the sale of five-year convertible bonds to finance its organic growth, including the development and plantation of new land acquired in 2008. The deal was well-received by both outright investors, who like the company's low-cost production, better than average Ebitda margins and strong financial profile, and hedge funds, which welcomed the fact that the majority shareholder was making stock available for borrowing. This left the offering about 3.5 times covered and allowed the terms to be fixed inside the best end for investors. First Resources is the second Indonesia-based issuer to sell CBs this year following Bumi Resources' $375 million deal in late July and only the second Asian company to bring a public CB this month. Issuance has been quiet over the past couple of months as many companies are waiting to complete their first-half financials before going ahead and, at the moment, many investors are also on holiday which makes it more challenging to bring a large deal. First Resources released its first-half earnings last week, which were in line with expectations, and sources said the company saw an opportunity to come to market ahead of an anticipated pipeline of potential issues next month. There is always a risk that small issuers get overshadowed by larger deals at busy times and the level of demand received last night suggests that the company made the right decision on timing. The CB matures in September 2014, but can be put back to the company after two years. It was marketed with a coupon ranging from 5.375% to 5.875%, a yield between 6.25% and 6.75%, and a conversion premium between 20% and 25%. Some investors noted that the coupon was low compared with Bumi Resources' 9.25%, but sources said this was warranted since Bumi also had a higher conversion premium of 30% and allowed for a dividend yield of as much as 4.5% before the CB investors get any compensation. First Resources will compensate investors for dividend yields above 1.5%. Thanks to the strong demand, sole bookrunner Credit Suisse was able to push the yield and the premium towards the issuer-friendly end, while the coupon was fixed at the mid-point of the range at 5.625%. The yield ended up at 6.375% and the premium was set at 23.5% over yesterday's closing price of S$1.01, resulting in a conversion price of S$1.247. That price is well above the closing high for the past 12 months of S$1.07 (which it hit last week just before the release of the first-half earnings), but below the record high of S$1.84 from January 2008 -- one month after the company's initial public offering. The issuer can call the bonds after three years, subject to a 130% hurdle. Investors were said to have been okay with the tighter price partly because the allocation was skewed towards outright investors. The latter suggests that the share price will suffer less today as there will be less short-selling by hedge funds that want to hedge the CBs they have just bought. That allocation decision could have been driven by the fact that the stock borrow provided by controlling shareholder Eight Capital (an investment vehicle owned by the Fangiono family) may have been somewhat limited. There was no information on how many shares Eight Capital was prepared to lend, but some hedge funds at least saw their orders scaled back. The demand was said to have come roughly 50-50 from hedge funds and outright investors. In all, about 50 investors submitted orders. The bookrunner went out with a credit spread of 1,000bp over Libor, which was based on the current spread of an outstanding $141 million high-yield bond issued by First Resources' plantation subsidiary Ciliandra Perkasa. That bond, which is secured and matures in 2011, currently trades at about 800bp over Libor. Assuming a stock borrow cost of 100bp, the pricing terms led to a bond floor of 86% and an implied volatility of 28%, which compares with a 100-day historic vol of around 70%, according to Bloomberg data. First Resources reported a 31% drop in revenues to Rp996.8 billion ($100 million) and a 28% decline in net profit to Rp371.1 billion for the first six months of this year from the first half of 2008, as lower average selling prices offset an increase in both production and sales volumes. Average selling prices have been edging higher, but First Resources has not been able to benefit since it had committed to forward sales at lower prices for the first half. In a comment to the earnings, the company noted
[ob] Negeri negeri Asia hrs prihatin atas El Nino 2009
Dari Market Watch : http://www.marketwatch.com/story/impact-of-el-ni%C3%B1o-stokes-concerns-in-asia-2009-08-06 Dari NOAA : http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090709_elnino.html Dampak terhadap industri agro harus diperhitungkan. Kemungkinan El Nino memberi pengaruh thdp iklim diperkirakan sudah lebih dari 50% utk terjadi di Asia. Saham saham perkebunan harus diamati baik baik korelasinya dng iklim ini.
[ob] Re: Shanghai +4% (ancaman potensial)
** Recovery has been driven by investment, but perhaps as much as 30-40% of it went into real estate and stock speculations. There is a bubble that must be contained, if it bursts, the whole Asian and world recovery will burst along with it. But because of China's cumbersome bureaucracy, it is hard to hit the brakes smoothly. If the government hits them, it could come to a sudden dangerous halt. If it tries to move slowly, the bubble could grow even bigger. ** These snags were not important a decade ago, but now that China is a world leader, these are major problems for everybody. As such, the recovery is uncertain and weak. There might be new, bigger problems down the road, while the US and Europe are still deep in trouble. As Asia Times Online contributor David P Goldman said in his blog, The June personal income data were dreadful. I simply don't believe in the recovery story. This may be true not only for America, but also for the rest of the world. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/KH20Ad01.html
Re: [ob]Supir Medan ~ DEWA UDANG
Boss Berak, emang kau ada data supir Medan masuk jurang melulu? Jangan gitu lah.. yg damai damai aja.. Perang ama Bandar tuh
Free falll....Re: [ob] RE: IHSG : Masih mau ngotot untuk koreksi ?
Sadis banget free fall nya.. DFut minus, regional dive mode juga..
Re: [ob] Re: [Ask I Ching] Bgm BUMI hari Rabu ini? 19 Aug
LAgi diguyur di 3100 From: t_bumi t_b...@yahoo.co.id To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:09:19 AM Subject: [ob] Re: [Ask I Ching] Bgm BUMI hari Rabu ini? 19 Aug Sip : tbumi BUMI akan tembus Rp. 3250 sampai Rp. 3300 hari ini.
[ob] Re: TUYUL DATANG in Europe, Dow Fut
Now Europe is deep red FTSE 1004,611.02 -102.95-2.18%,DAX - 2.34%, CAC - 2.37%, Dow Fut: - 192, jeezz..
[ob] Nikkei 18 - 8 - 09
08:05 WIB TOKYO (Kyodo)-- Tokyo stocks opened lower Tuesday after Wall Street tumbled overnight on revived worries about the economy's recovery, but losses were partially offset as some investors hunted for bargains after the Japanese market's decline the previous day. Nikkei 225 Nikkei 225 Nikkei 08/18/09 - 10:05 10,279.06 +10.45 ( +0.10%)
[ob] Nikkei 17 - 8 - 09
Waduh waduh Nikkei ancur pagi ini, udah minus 2.32% (08:22 WIB) 9:15 WIB:Market Live Nikkei 225 08/17 - 11:00 10,360.25 -237.08 ( - 2.24%)
Re: [ob] Re: Mau Avg. Up DEWA gak ?
Ayoo.. DEWA masih the laggarder di B7 ya pak.. From: Tasrul tas...@overseas.co.id To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:23:28 PM Subject: RE: [ob] Re: Mau Avg. Up DEWA gak ? Tawaran saya cuma berlaku sekali lho…besok-besok jangan nanya ya hahahaha
Orkes moral ~ Re: [ob] Re: Analisa Yg Bisa Diandalkan
Aduhh ini pesan moral pas banget dng lagu Orkes Moral Pancaran Sinar Petromak dulu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV8WY-2351g Mbah saya ngaku ... ni die ai lah orangnya... terima kasih untuk insightnya ini.. dalam sekali.. From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:34:35 PM Subject: [ob] Re: Analisa Yg Bisa Diandalkan --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.sa...@... wrote: Jadi intinya jam terbang dan kenal betul pergerakan saham tersebut ya mbah? Ilmu apapun ditangan orang yg mahir akan berhasil Warren Buffett ngandelin FA tanpa liat monitor bisa jadi orang terkaya didunia. Tapi FA ditangan orang yg ngerti setengah setengah akan jadi konyol malah celaka. Contohya: Orang day trade pake data PER dan ROE. Sebaliknya Day trader yg mengerti sedikit FA bisa beruntung dari laporan keuangan yg baru dipublish. Orang yg tidak ngerti FA atau TA tapi sabar nunggu bertahun tahun menunggu barang murah (seperti crash 2008) bisa untung gede. Main saham itu suatu SENI dan membutuhkan PERILAKU/SIFAT yg mendukung yaitu: SABAR, COOL tapi BISA BERTINDAK CEPAT disaat diperlukan. Tapi umumnya manusia selalu MAU UNTUNG SABAN HARI DIBURSA. Tapi seperti sudah kita buktikan dengan Test Super Trader, SANGAT SUSAH untuk bisa mengalahkan market setiap hari. Petani saja menunggu musin tanam tiba dan baru bekerja keladang. Coba kurangi jumlah trading kita dan konsentrasi pada TIMING dan HIGH PROFIT trade disamping mempertajam VISI KEDEPAN untuk investor. Untuk orang tertentu mengurangi Trading itu gampang tapi untuk sebagian lagi SANGAT SUSAH !!!, ini kembali ke perilaku masing masing trader. Atau Insider Info kayak Jend Arto Sebelumya dari segi TA saya yakin banget dengan PVRA nya Prof JT yang telah terbukti secara live trading. Namun setelah postingan Pak Jhony Irawan which make sense that even volume can be manipulated, saya jadi berpikir bahwa emang SETAN GUNDUL can manipulate anything. Kalau FA, TA, BA ngak bisa diyakinin 100%, kombinasi apa dong yang minimal bisa betahan cuan? Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:28:09 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: Analisa Yg Bisa Diandalkan Percaya deh pak, engga ada yg namanya HOLY GRAIL teknik main saham. Semua ilmu itu bagus terutama ditangan orang yg mahir. Sangat susah untuk menguasai semua ilmu tsb sampai tingkat mahir. Karena itulah kita disini berkumpul dan saling melengkapi keahlian keahlian kita. Embah mencari pelengkap dari member yg lain untuk bidang yg embah tidak expert dan begitu juga sebaliknya. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.saham@ wrote: Selama ini saya perhatikan di OB selalu ada yang bear dan bull. Secara FA bagus tidak menjamin harga naik Secara TA, terlalu banyak variasinya sampai bingung mau pakai yg mana. Setelah diback test dengan TA juga tidak menjamin pasti bener. Secara Bandarmologi terlalu banyak liku² dan alternatifnya. Mungkinkah Robot Pak DE bisa meminimize diatas 400% Apkah robot lebih pandai drpfpd manusia??? Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[ob] Re: FREN, GZCO, TRUB
From: T Halim tedha...@yahoo.com To: dolgado-mi...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:52:19 PM Subject: Re: FREN, GZCO, TRUB Are you sure about FREN? From: Lenny Liembono lenny.liemb...@gmail.com To: dolgado-mi...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:27:28 AM Subject: FREN, GZCO, TRUB FREN Bisa average Up
[ob] Keputusan MK ttg Pemilihan Ulang (dibacakan jam 2 ~ 4)
Itu keputusan MK juga jadinya memberi sentimen wait and see ya.. Keputusan dibacakan perkiraan dari jam 2 sampai jam 4, soale ono 400 halaman Jadi blm tentu end result di kasih tahu di jam 2.. (apa emang mau nunggu ISX tutup dulu?).. From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:23:53 AM Subject: Re: [ob] Mungutin nya besok aja. Kalo pemilu ulang bisa hancur berapa % nih index?... 2009/8/12 ruzli...@gmail.com Tunggu Putusan MK Jam 14:00 Hari Ini
Re: [ob] FREN? VWAP?
BEtul pak DE, serem mainnya ini bandar di gasrukin dari 93 ke 74 barusan.. mudah mudahan ga ada yg kena di OB ini. From: Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:49:50 PM Subject: Re: [ob] Ask p Tasrul: FREN? VWAP? Ok pak, saya ngantri di 58 aja deh. Regards, DE Pada 11 Agustus 2009 14:45, Tasrultas...@overseas.co.id menulis: Berdasarkan data terlihat FREN sejak mulai bangkit rata-rata di 58.57 , jadi sementara ada trading range antara 58 s/d 85
[ob] Pasokan coal ~ POTENSI BUMI YG SANGAT DAHSYAT
Berita coal yg kurang bagus utk ke depan, Tiongkok masih pemakai terbesar batu bara..akan ada kelebihan pasok.. http://news.alibaba.com/article/detail/energy/100147931-1-china-may-face-excess-coal.html China may face excess coal supply in H2 -XinhuaPublished: 02 Aug 2009 20:09:00 PST SHANGHAI, Aug 3 - China's coal market is likely to face excess supply in the second half, due to growingoutput as small mines return to production, the official Xinhua News Agency reported, quoting industrysources. Coal demand may grow in the summer, when power demand surges with temperature, but the overall growth in this year's demand for the hydrocarbon is expected to be limited, Xinhua quoted sources who attended a conference organised by the China Coal Transportation and Distribution Association. Small mines, many of which were ordered to suspend production earlier in the year, are now returning to production at an increasing pace. In addition, the transportation market is in relatively comfortable conditions, increasing the possibility of supply outstripping demand in the second half of the year, the Xinhua report said. China's coal output growth accelerated to 16 percent in June, compared with the year-ago level, to a record high of 279 million tonnes, according to the National Bureau of Statistics. - Apakah BUMI akan naik secara DAHSYAT sangat tergantung dari harga Coal dimasa depan,
Re: [ob] BUMI technical ........POTENSI BUMI YG SANGAT DAHSYAT
Udah dikasih tadi boss petanya ama mbak.. From: d...@ob dhol...@gmail.com To: Milis OB obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 2:12:51 PM Subject: Re: [ob] BUMI technical POTENSI BUMI YG SANGAT DAHSYAT MBah Petanya please Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by INDOSAT
Re: [ob] inco indonesia update (reuters)
Malah ngacir udah di 5050 INCO.
Re: [ob] Re: Elaine malu sekali
I dont think one should be ashame if one is making a mistake.. and then we should not also ridicule one who had made a wrong assesment.. Who can predict the future? It is a bestimation,deduction..at certain point of time based on certain asumptions.. If one can predict than the world perhaps become a Biff Tanner world (Back To the Future II).. heheheh..he.. ES, you are a descent gentlewoman.. salute.. th
[ob] GDP Report next Mionday Re: EL, A9 :: Ini kode ya?
INDONESIA: Growth will appear to be slowing in next Monday’s 2Q09 GDP report, to 3.9% YoY. But sequential, seasonally adjusted growth is accelerating
[ob] China's Soaring Stocks Pose Risk to Global Markets
Consider this view to round the thinking..still a volatile now a days.. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1844547,00.html Monday, Aug. 03, 2009 China's Soaring Stocks Pose Risk to Global Markets By Cesar Bacani / Hong Kong For a while there, it looked like the doomsayers would be proved right. On July 29, the Shanghai Composite Index lost as much as 7.7% of its value before ending the day down 5% on record-breaking trading volume of $43.3 billion. The sell-off was the largest one-day decline in Chinese stocks in eight months, and set off panic purging in Hong Kong, where the Hang Seng Index lost 2.4%. Even the U.S. got dinged, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average ending the day off by 26 points. It was a false alarm. Rumors had swept the trading floor that China was going to tighten money supply. That night, the central bank reaffirmed its loose monetary policy that is meant to support economic growth and pledged to refrain from imposing loan quotas to control bank lending. The next day, the Chinese banks that were said to be cutting back on credit denied they would do so. On July 31, the Shanghai index rebounded 2.7%, the biggest rise in two months; China stocks in July rose 15%, the largest monthly gain since 2007. (See pictures of China's infrastructure boom.) .. end of quote... (click link to see complete article) From: Elaine Sui elainesu...@gmail.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 11:01:50 PM Subject: Re: [ob] skenario besok kamis 6 agustus..? FY09 = 2100-2300 at current IDR. Very conservative valuation. Elaine
Re: [ob] Beli INCO yuks..
Bloomberg pagi ini jam : 9:20 Nickel per mt: US$ 19750 (turun 750) dari high tadi pagi pagi From: Bettina Tan bettina@gmail.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; junior_tra...@yahoogroups.com; sa...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:11:32 AM Subject: [ob] Beli INCO yuks.. Di tengah gelombang koreksi ternyata masih ada peluang.. nickel naik ke 9 per pound.. mudah2an harganya bisa naik hari ini dan selanjutnya
Re: [ob] Beli INCO yuks..
Iya bu hanya pull back biasa saya rasa. Fundamental tetap stimulus plan Tiongkok dan lain lain akan narik logam dasar. Ini TA dari Sucden per 3 Ag Sucden Financial Limited Nickel Report : 04-Aug-09 Anchors: Technicals Market Data Technical Analysis Section === LME Nickel Chart === Download This Chart === LME Nickel Montlhly Chart === Download This Chart All charts developed using CQG for Windows. Open High Low Close +/- Volume +/- 18000 18900 18000 18830 880 33,045 4520 Information Total Stock 105,828 Overnight High Bid 9150 Overnight Low Offer 1850 From: Bettina Tan bettina@gmail.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:38:05 AM Subject: Re: [ob] Beli INCO yuks.. Saya fikir kalau turun lagi juga tidak sampai 6 per pound kan.. soalnya saya lihat inventory di LME juga menurun. 2009/8/6 T Halim tedha...@yahoo.com Bloomberg pagi ini jam : 9:20 Nickel per mt: US$ 19750 (turun 750) dari high tadi pagi pagi From: Bettina Tan bettina@gmail.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; junior_tra...@yahoogroups.com; sa...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:11:32 AM Subject: [ob] Beli INCO yuks.. Di tengah gelombang koreksi ternyata masih ada peluang.. nickel naik ke 9 per pound.. mudah2an harganya bisa naik hari ini dan selanjutnya
Re: [ob] Re: INCO cant confirm Force Majeure
http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2009/aug/force_majeure050809.aspx
Re: [ob] Re: INCO cant confirm Force Majeure
Betul pak T stok makin tipis, pembeli terpaksa cari barang di pasar genjing hehehe..he.. thanks for your view.. th
[ob] Re: BUMI dijagain bener
Benar kata pak JT, BUMI di pagerin bener di paling bawah cuman 2650.. Whats up?
Re: [ob] Mbah Surip meninggal.. index jadi turun
He has done his mark in this dunia fana, have we? Farewell Mbah Surip, you rockss...sire,well done. From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 12:52:18 PM Subject: Re: [ob] Mbah Surip meninggal.. index jadi turun --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Sanjaya mysanjaya...@... wrote: Turut berduka cita..selamat jalan Mbah Surip. Doain aja supaya mbah Surip masuk surga Embah bayangin mbah Surip jalan mendekati pintu gerbang surga sambil bawa gitar, lalu dia teriak ama malaikat malaikat yg menyambutnya dari kejauhan: I LOVE YOU FULL ... I AM COMING... Malaikat malaikat bersorak sorak minta lagu Tak Gendong sambil minta digendong .. Heboh dah... hehehe
[ob] Re: INDF - out
Thanks utk advisnya pak JT, udah out di 2475, just by a whisker.. cukup dulu.. From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Cc: jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 10:43:38 AM Subject: INDF - RE: [ob] SGRO - BREAK ! Waspadai INDF, ada perlemahan…., volume naiknya tidak bagus, ada gap up hari ini, perlu dicurigai sebagai exhausted gap…., tapi bisa juga continuation gap…, WE DO NOT KNOW at this moment…, pasang aja trailing stop !! tapi secara keseluruhan masih Strong Uptrend !! JT
[ob] PGAS keabisan gas?
Yang masuk PGAS beware.. seems gas nya abis tuh..
Re: [ob] SEJATI: Buy KIJA tp 175 ...
KIJA 132 perak From: artomoro9 artomo...@yahoo.co.id To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 12:04:25 PM Subject: Re: [ob] SEJATI: Buy KIJA tp 175 ...
[ob] BNBR - Get Ready
Naik angkot merah 107 (non AC) pulang pake angkot ijo 110(full AC) Thanks prof JT..
[ob] Re:60k lots - INCO -
13:36 - 60k lots hovering around 4625 - 4650.. let see pak JTL From: JT jsxtra...@yahoo.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 11:58:47 AM Subject: INCO - RE: [ob] BUMI cangcut Jangan sekarang, nanti aja tunggu 4650 jebol dan close diatas itu dgn volume 36 ribu lot JT
Re: [ob] BUMI - Pull Back
Bakri 7 semua merah ni hari.. From: JsxTrader jsxtra...@yahoo.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; jsxtra...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 3:09:39 PM Subject: [ob] BUMI - Pull Back Kemaren banyak yg merasa ketinggalan BUMI.., nah ini ada gejala pull back, emang ini yg diarepin kan?…, Kalo dikasi 2300-2350 pada berani beli ngga? Ntar malah kabur lagi…. Hehehe… JT
[ob] inco - nickel price this morning
Tambahan info dari Bloomberg TV on nickel : USD 19010 / mt - naik 750 (jam 8:00 BBIB)
[ob] LME Chart - nickel price this morning
Based on 3 months buyer - 4 Aug 2008 to 4 Aug 2009 From: Rei highwaysta...@gmail.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 8:05:00 AM Subject: Re: [ob] inco - nickel price this morning Nickel sdh rebound lebih dari 100% ya dari lowestnya...bisakah balik ke 45000? Saya rasa tidak kecuali growth gila2an atau campur tangan HF lagi :(Tambahan info dari Bloomberg TV on nickel : USD 19010 / mt - naik 750 (jam 8:00 BBIB)
[ob] Bucks stop here ~ Re: Focus On your own STOCK
Agree pak Cougar,focus is so important.. and the bucks stop here. Apapun keputusannya beli atau jual ada ditangan masing masing. No one can tell you to part from your money here. Saya tidak pernah percaya 100% begitu saja ke posting posting. Info dari OB tambahan buat saya dan arahan untuk memperkuat decision making process. Neither saya akan memperolok olok mereka yang berani menyatakan pendapat dalam bentuk analisis, apalagi ke individual. Kita tidak pernah akan tahu motive dari posting disini. Saya tidak bilang yang posting itu jahat atau baik. Neutral saja. Saya tetap amat berterima kasih ada yang mau mendonasikan waktu dan bersusah payah menuliskannya (apapun motivenya) krn saya yang pasti belajar banyak dari sana. Doesnt matter how crazy, provacative, funny, it was written. Bila ada yg posting tentang INCO, ANTM, TMPI ya saya coba pelajari dari TA, FA dan mengasah feeling. Tidak penting buat saya jitu atau tidak posting tsb. Kalau ada yang marah marah krn rugi, menurut saya karena tidak mau belajar, malas, mau instant profit.. tetap menurut saya the bucks stop here, it is your money it is your decision, ga ada posting disini yang ngancam awas loe kalau ga beli atau jual. Belajar dan belajar,never too old to learn, but never too young to be lazy and dumb. My two lots, th From: Cougar Boy boysngi...@gmail.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 3:49:51 AM Subject: Re-Alreat : Focus On your own STOCK Re: [ob] gak perlu club club kan kali ya.. Dah..balik aja ke saham masing-masing Tujuan saya posting kemarin cuman mau tolong orang aja. Lihat aja chart BEI kemarin..sekilas pasti banyak orang saran profit taking. Dan kalau urusan profit taking, retail cenderung jual saham yang profit dan hold saham yang rugi. (betul kan ?) Dengan banyaknya saham breakout kemarin kan sayang sekali kalau menjual saham baru breakout cuman gara-gara ilusi IHSG. Nah tujuan saya cuman itu...sama sekali tidak ada niat untuk sharing portofolio saya atau tulis I TOLD YOU Silahkan check milis ini.. hmin tidak pernah tulis I TOLD YOU, just not my personality. Soal petok..kebetulan aja ada member yang posing. Lagipula sama sekali tidak ada signal beli CPIN kemarin (at least dari daily chart, kalau pakai 15 minutes chart mungkin ada) Terlampir saya tunjukan chart CPIN. Pak JT/Hans/Tasrul pasti bisa comment.. breakout di 740 valid tidak ? Buat saya sih tidak..volume kurang. Rata-rata trader juga baru masuk di harga 800, kaum fundamentalis baru berani start beli di 900. So kalau ditulis di OB ...kapan dapat duitnya... bid-over cuman 3 digit...tulis di secara terbuka di OB bisa membuat pesta bubar. :D So...back to stock aja...ngapain bahas klub sejati di hari kerja, malah sahamnya gak ada yang bahas..cape dah, diskusi yang gak ada duitnya weekend aja.
Re: [ob] LME Chart - nickel price this morning
Wah sorry pak Rei dan semuanya, setting fonts nya berubah ga sengaja. th
[ob] TA Sucden - Chart - nickel price as 3 Aug 09
Sebagai tambahan dapat dari Sucden, TA nya nickel per 3 Aug 2009: Sucden Financial Limited Nickel Report : 03-Aug-09 Anchors: Technicals Market Data Technical Analysis Section === LME Nickel Chart === Download This Chart === LME Nickel Montlhly Chart === Download This Chart All charts developed using CQG for Windows. Open High Low Close +/- Volume +/- 17325 17950 17325 17950 750 28,525 6037 Information Total Stock 105,864 Overnight High Bid 8550 Overnight Low Offer 1800 NOTE The prices on the above charts are from CQG The 3-month price data above is from Reuters Open - First ask price after midnight High - Highest bid of the day Low - Lowest offer of the day Last Trade - Evening evaluation price set by the exchange set at around 5.30pm
Re: [ob] TA Sucden - Chart - nickel price as 3 Aug 09
GA bayar trial 30 hari hehehe..he.. Register dulu tapinya.. free reg. http://www.sucdenfinancial.co.uk/public/reports/nickel/charts/nid03-aug-09.gif http://www.sucdenfinancial.co.uk/ Plus please note data di chart tsb per 30 July 09, tapi ditulis on 3rd Aug 09.. jadi tambahkan saja kira kira dng kenaikan harga per pagi ini tadi utk arah kemana komoditas ini bergerak secara TA. Secara fundamental, saya sih melihat project stimulus dimana mana di focus ke infrastructure development, Tiongkok jelas jelas sangat sukses dng disbursement stimulusnya kalau baca di media keuangan, artinya kebutuhan logam dasar akan boleh dikata trend yang upward terlepas slow atau tidak, ada permainan spekulan atau tidak. salam,th From: VF ™ vnnfortuna...@rocketmail.com To: Obrolan bandar obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 8:50:37 AM Subject: Re: [ob] TA Sucden - Chart - nickel price as 3 Aug 09 Pa halim, mau tanya.. Utk dpt chart ky gini harus bayar ya ato ga usah.. Minta linknya dong.. Trims byk.. - VF -
[ob] TA Sucden - Chart - TImah per 31 Jul 09
Sucden Financial Limited Tin Report : 03-Aug-09 Anchors: Technicals Market Data Technical Analysis Section === LME Tin === Download This Chart === LME Tin Monthly === Download This Chart All charts developed using CQG for Windows. LME Tin 3 mth Open High Low Close +/- 14595 14725 13505 13500 -1000 Information +/- Market Volume 13,410 4449 Stocks 18,405 140 NOTE The prices on the above charts are from CQG The 3-month price data above is from Reuters Open - First ask price after midnight High - Highest bid of the day Low - Lowest offer of the day Last Trade - Evening evaluation price set by the exchange set at around 5.30pm
[ob] OOT- Voucher Air Asia
Teman saya dari Selandia Baru mendapat voucher Air Asia senilai Rp.500.000.- krn flight delay. Expiry 29 Sep 09. Krn dia ga bisa pakai (udah mulih ke NZ) mau dijual Rp.350.000.- Ada yg butuh? Bisa dinominasikan ke nama yg beli dan dipakai utk beli tiket Air Asia. Maaf kalau ini OOT, saya cuman mau bantuin dia. th
Re: [ob] koleksi e-book saham dan forex,jualan?
Saya tidak minta tapi dikirim japri puluhan Mb.. Dan di pengantar malah jadi jualan malah jadi jualan? Apa saya salah ngerti? Tlg jangan kirim ke saya lagi krn saya tidak memerlukannya .. th Saya juga rencana menjual seluruh koleksi e-book saya tersebut seharga 370rb utk semua judulnya (sudah termasuk ongkos kirim ke seluruh wilayah Indonesia). Daftar seluruh koleksi E-Book tersebut saya lampirkan bersama email ini. Jika bapak/ibu berminat hanya perlu transfer ke rekening bca saya dan menginformasikan alamat bapak/ibu, untuk kemudian saya akan kirimkan DVD berisi e-book tsb via ekspedisi mohon maaf saya belum bisa upload/kirim via email mengingat ada 3500 lebih judul buku dan total ukurannya 3.5 Gigabytes (ukuran yg cukup besar tersebut diakibatkan karena banyak e-book yang isinya chart dan grafik) account BCA atas nama : Susanto Gondo Wijaya no account: 0401547222
Re: [ob] Metal Mining sector H1/09: sector yg malang
Sddtional from TA side: From Base Metal : Technical Analysis - Nickel - Sets new highs but looking overbought FastMarkets Ltd - William Adams - Nickel's rebound has now pushed into new high ground for the year with a move up to $16,950. The stochastics are rolling along the .. Candlestick Chart as per Friday 30 Jul 09 attached for info. attachment: 2009Jul-INCO.png
Re: [ob] Re: TMAS
Saya ada pertanyaan tentang universenya retailer equity di Indonesia. Kalau lihat dari jumlah retailer yg di pasar modal, kalo ga salah terakhir angka yg pernah disebutkan oleh BEI sekitar 300.000 orang, berapa besar sebenarnya bandar mengharapkan dari kita kita. 300.000 itu juga banyak yg punya account dibeberapa brokerage. Berapa rata rata modal yg dipakai oleh retailer sehingga menarik utk bandar utk berkali kali memperdayakan? Riel jumlah dana yg dimasukkan retailer apakah ada signifikansi nya utk Bandar melakukan engineering harga? Adu lihay diatas panggung BEI ? Apakah bukan the real fight between para FM juga (ngeliat Russel Crowe di film A good Year ).. ? investor rudin From: Bandar Bola bandarr.b...@gmail.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 8:52:46 AM Subject: Re: [ob] Re: TMAS Pak Oentoeng, saya sama sekali tidak meragukan Om Jack untuk urusan perbandaran. Concern saya cuma urusan joining fee-nya yang kegedean untuk ukuran saya. Saya ingat betul, tahun lalu sebelum TINS ambruk, beliau udah pernah ngingatin member OB, dan beneran kejadian, dan seperti biasa setiap pendapat banyak pros dan cons-nya, sampai2 waktu itu beliau perlu keluarin Ferrari-nya dari garasi. Baik, saya coba jawab quiz sampiyan, biar tetap bisa dapet kursus gratis dari sampiyan. Yang Pertama: Menurut saya, bandar kalo masih akan terus distribusi, walaupun harga udah turun banyak, maka harga saham akan terus turun. Definisi masih akan terus distribusi adalah kalo bandar masih punya stok barang DAN retail masih mau nyerap stok bandar. Tapi kalo harga udah turun banyak, tiba2 mental balik ke atas dan naik terus, maka menurut saya, ini karena barang yang tadinya dibagi2 ke retail di harga atas udah berhasil diminta balik oleh bandar dari retail. Artinya, retail udah nyerah dan cut loss, stok balik lagi ke bandar plus cuan selisih jual atas beli bawah. Karena stok udah balik ke bandar, maka next action-nya, bandar akan mark-up lagi lebih tinggi lagi, untuk ngasih kesempatan retail lain yang mau jadi korban baru di harga yang lebih tinggi. Saya pikir cara kerja macam ini terjadi untuk semua counter, cuma bedanya, kalo 3rd liner urusan beginian dimensi waktu-nya bisa cuma hitungan jam2-an, sedangkan untuk counter yang market-cap-nya gede, dimensi waktu-nya bisa mingguan atau bulanan. Yang Kedua: Walaupun barang sudah terdistribusi banyak di harga yang cukup tinggi, tapi bisa saja bandar masih terus kerek harga naik, karena target jumlah stok yang mau dibagi2 belum tercapai. Yang Ketiga: Kalo distribusi dari bandar A dimakan oleh bandar lain, bandar B yang lebih kuat. Di monitor bandar A, stok-nya dipikir dimakan oleh retail, tapi ternyata yang makan adalah bandar B. Alhasil kalo bandar A keok, dan stok-nya berpindah ke bandar B, dan oleh bandar B harga akan dikerek naik lebih tinggi. Di harga yang lebih tinggi itu, bandar A akan buy-back at loss, atau retail yang nyerap stok dari bandar A itu. Mudah2-an masih diterima jadi murid sampiyan, ya pak. Regards, Bandar Bola 2009/8/2 Provokator Saham oentoeng...@yahoo.com P. BB Jangan khawatir masalah biaya workshop, always gratis... Semua member disini yg pernah kursus sama saya boleh mengklaim kalau saya bohong. Yg pasti kalau dikasih duit saya kagak pernah nolak yah, apalagi info yg ciamik kek dr Jend Arto yg serba instan mau bangettt Eh mie instant yah yg belon dikerjain? Canda yah Jend... Sekalian ngomentari dikit ttg P. JC, saat ini khan pembicaraannya dlm konteks gerombolan bandar. Beliau (and the gang) memang punya power di BEI, keraguan anda saya perkirakan karena kurang yakin saja. Maklum karena kagak pernah ketemu nkali yah? Beberapa member ada yg masih mempertanyakan reputasi beliau, dimana rekomendasinya yg tempo2 BENAR tempo2 juga HARUS DIBALIK. Saya anggap itu hanyalah.part of his strategy. Yang paling jagoan model gini adalah P TBumi, karena sebenarnya beliau itu TAHU BANYAK tapi dalam penyampaian MIRIP juga dg P. JC. Malah mungkin kita sering bingung banyak benernya atau banyak salahnya? Hahahaha Saya pribadi sadar sepenuhnya kalau beliau adalah senior. Malah kalau ada member yg mencibir beliau, bagi saya itu keliatan banget kalau kagak pernah ketemu bandar apalagi kenalan, kekekek Bicara counter2 saham yg dikerjain oleh GL (minjem istilah P. JC) ada bbrp kriteria: - MAYORITAS saham yg beredar di masyarakat sekitar 1 jt lot atau KURANG dari itu. - Seringkali saham2 tsb sedang diliput oleh mass media. - Benernya mereka sdh punya short list saham2 tertentu yg cukup aman utk dibandari Karena emiten-nya kurang peduli dg pergerakan saham mereka. Jadi relative aman utk dikerjain. Masih ada bbrp criteria lain tp kita lanjutkan di sesi berikutnya ajalah... Kursus gratisan model gini harus sabar yah pak... Bicara variasi pergerakan karena akhir2 ini mereka main MASING2 (sahamnya berbeda) dan ber-SAMA2 dalam waktu
[ob] The monster has not died ~ WHAT IF...
http://www.newsweek.com/id/208486 The Monster of Wall Street Lives Markets are recovering. But the systemic risk problem that nearly ate New York is still out there. By Michael Hirsh | Newsweek Web Exclusive Jul 24, 2009 Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase have reported huge profits, the Dow has made it past 9000, and Barack Obama has moved on to health care. The horror show seems to be over. But as in one of those clichéd Hollywood endings, the monster in this story isn't really dead, even if most people think he is. Lost amid all the premature self-congratulation is the fact that the deepest underlying problem that caused the financial disaster is not being solved. The problem: how to control and keep tabs on the market activities of giant firms that cause such a disruption to the system they can't be allowed to fail. Put simply, six months into the Obama administration there is as yet no coherent proposal for solving this issue, and serious differences remain between Tim Geithner's Treasury and Ben Bernanke's Fed. At hearings this week, Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) told Bernanke bluntly that he didn't think anyone was up to that immense and vastly complex job. As Corker told me afterward in an interview: Today there's a whole lot more questions about what systemic risk is and which powers a regulator should have than there are answers. And the last week has brought that to light. Indeed. On Friday, Geithner reiterated a position he first laid out in June: the administration, he said, wants to hand the job of systemic risk regulator to the Fed. We propose evolving the Federal Reserve's authority to create a single point of accountability for the consolidated supervision of all large, interconnected firms, he said in testimony. He said again that the administration seeks to create a new Financial Services Oversight Council to monitor systemic risk. But Geithner made clear the council will not have the responsibility for supervising the largest, most complex, interconnected institutions. Geithner said there's no way such a council would have the tremendous institutional capacity and organizational accountability needed for that task, or to respond in a financial emergency. You cannot convene a committee to put out a fire, Geithner summed things up piquantly in June. The Federal Reserve is in the best position to play that role. But Bernanke, in contending testimony this week, shied away from being cast as the über-regulator. Instead, as he saw it, the Fed ought to be restricted to being supervisor of bank holding companies--apparently the same 19 giant firms that went through stress tests last spring. We don't have the resources or the authority to take a holistic view of the whole system, he said, though, of course, in general terms we obviously are watching the economy, but not in that kind of detail. Bernanke also expressed a lot more enthusiasm than Geithner about the council, urging Congress to debate what powers it should have. He added: There may be situations where the council can have authority to harmonize different practices or to identify problems and to take action. When Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) pressed Bernanke on this point, he demurred again. Warner asked: Are you comfortable that the Fed is the de facto systemic-risk overseer at this point; is aggregating enough information upstream from all the day-to-day prudential regulators, not just on the banking side, but from securities, commodities and others--that this aggregation of information is taking place? Bernanke responded: Well, no, we're not being the super-regulator at all. Federal Reserve governor Dan Tarullo, an Obama appointee, emphasized the same point in testimony on Thursday. While a new financial regulatory framework would involve some expansion of Federal Reserve responsibilities, that expansion would be an incremental and natural extension of the Federal Reserve's existing supervisory and regulatory responsibilities, he said. Both Bernanke and Geithner argued that other planned measures will ameliorate systemic risk. Under the administration's proposals, big firms will have to bear the cost of their size through extra capital, liquidity and risk-management requirements, Bernanke said. In other words, there will be an additional cost to bigness that wasn't there before, making MA enthusiasts think twice. Second, a new resolution authority will be able to take over big firms the way the Federal Depository Insurance Corp. does to banks, raising the prospect that creditors could lose money if the company fails, Bernanke said. Both of those things would tend to make being big less attractive. The Fed chief added that under the new regime, supervisors would choose to tell firms that they needed to limit certain activities if they thought it was a danger to the broad system. All this helps. But it may be a triumph of hope over experience that Wall
Saran: [ob] koleksi e-book saham dan forex
Saran: upload saja di http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/files/ Fasilitas sudah tersedia disana. 10 Mb bisa diakomodasi dng mudah. Biar masing masing download spy milis bisa focus ke hal yg diutamakan. th From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 2:36:19 PM Subject: ADMIN: Re: [ob] koleksi e-book saham dan forex Permintaan pribadi mohon jangan dikirim ke milis, langsung ke ybs aja, biar engga MENGGANGGU traffic milis... -
Re: [ob] BUMI +12,3% vs IHSG 0,8%
Jumat, 31/07/2009 12:03 WIB Bakrie 7 Kuasai 60% Transaksi BEI, IHSG Tembus 2.300 Indro Bagus SU - detikFinance
Re: [ob] IHSG Update, udh dekat 2269 ~ 2270 nya
Pak, gemes bener tuh 2268 tadi udah dekat bener ya.. emang strong resist . Biar gak kejebak, saya kasih peta aja ya , intinya kalau IHSG mau lanjut minggu depan, harus bisa tembus 2,269.59 dalam minggu ini. Tasrul PT. Overseas Securities Research Analyst Plaza Bapindo Mandiri Tower Lt.16 tas...@overseas.co.id Jl. Jend.Sudirman Kav.54-55 Jakarta – 12190, Indonesia Phone 62.21.5277008
Wharton: Free fall over - Re: [ob] Property
The recovery is by no means here, but it may be near. Important indicators of economic performance such as industrial production and workweek hours are still in decline. On the other hand, the Institute for Supply Management (ISM) indexes have increased throughout 2009. The available indicators may best be described as mixed, but the free fall seems to be over. U.S. Economy: Is the Free Fall Finished?Published: July 15, 2009 in knowle...@w.p. Carey By Lee McPheters econ...@w. P. Carey Nobody would claim the U.S. economy is healthy right now. After all, we are in the worst contraction since the Great Depression, and poor numbers are being posted for almost every economic indicator. But analysts are watching several key components of the economy that have stopped the free fall and appear to be stabilizing and poised for rebound. Retail Sales Up Again An example is the latest (June) retail sales report, released July 14, showing retail outlays up for the second consecutive month. The increase was hardly stunning -- June sales were up 0.6 percent, coming after an even smaller gain of 0.5 percent in May. But before these increases, retail sales had declined for six consecutive months in the second half of 2008, and bobbed up and down in the first part of 2009 (see table at econ...@w. P. Carey). For the first half of 2009, retail sales were up in four out of six months. Personal consumption expenditures overall show a similar pattern. After dropping off a cliff in the second half of 2008, monthly personal consumption so far this year contracted only in March. Analysts will be watching for the June personal consumption data, set to be released August 4th. Although it appears that consumer spending has found a trough and may add to growth of Gross Domestic Product in the third quarter and beyond, the gains will be tepid at best. Consumers have taken advantage of their reduced withholding to add to savings rather than splurging. And with unemployment rising, portfolios weakened, and home values still in decline, consumers are shying away from big ticket items such as appliances, furniture, and autos. However, auto sales figures also appear to have stabilized at a low level, along with home sales and home permits. Analysts expect very modest gains in these categories in the second half of 2009. The recovery is by no means here, but it may be near. Important indicators of economic performance such as industrial production and workweek hours are still in decline. On the other hand, the Institute for Supply Management (ISM) indexes have increased throughout 2009. The available indicators may best be described as mixed, but the free fall seems to be over. W. P. Carey Round Number Forecast Improves Because several key indicators appear to have bottomed out, the W. P. Carey outlook for 2009 has improved somewhat this month. Although Gross Domestic Product is still projected to decline for 2009, the contraction will be -2.5 percent, instead of -3.0 percent as foreseen last month (see forecast table atecon...@w. P. Carey). Consumer spending will increase in the second half of 2009, but will be down for the year by 0.5 percent compared to 2008. The economy will grow in 2010, although unemployment may remain high. Real GDP will be up by 2.0 percent, boosted by a similar gain in consumer spending. Business spending on equipment and software will increase by 7 percent, but expenditures for nonresidential structures (including retail and office space) will decline. Exports will not be a source of growth, since the U.S. economy is expected to recover sooner than the rest of the world. State and local government spending will not add to GDP, and by the end of 2010 much of the federal stimulus spending will be over. Whether credit conditions will have improved enough by 2011 to allow private sector spending to propel the economy forward into a sustained recovery remains to be seen. On 7/29/09, Mira Lie mira...@gmail.com wrote: The economic outlook is not too good for 2H09 but not everything is bad. I've made an analysis and the result is: 1. Property and related sector (cement, construction) 2. Pharmacy and Health care These ones have been laggard but they will be shining soon and outperform other sectors. I suggest if you want to do short/med term investing, you focus on these. Forget commodity stocks. Please ask for JT or Tasrul assistance for entry/exit points. Most of the them have small caps, so they're quite volatile. Good for traders. Have a nice investing and good luck See, I can be nice to traders too. Elaine Cc Elaine, kalo masih ada sektor yang bagus apakah IHSG bisa melanjutkan rally atau nyungsep? Mengingat sektor komo dan banking masih menjadi tulang punggung IHSG Mira888
Re: [ob] BUMI +12,3% vs IHSG 0,8%
Mbah Nikkei (11:13) plus 1.78% HSI plus 2.31% From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:11:51 AM Subject: Re: [ob] BUMI +12,3% vs IHSG 0,8% IHSG +20 SERBU LAGI, tapi sore barang dijual yah...
[ob] Nouriel Roubini raises growth forecasts~ Defensive and..
Roubini, aka Dr Doom, seems getting more optimistic too.. this is his comment today about Asia: OUTLOOK ECONOMICS Nouriel Roubini raises growth forecasts for AsiaBy Sameera Anand | 29 July 2009 Read this article online at: http://www.financeasia.com/article.aspx?CIID=151394 China and India will lead growth in Asia, but the recovery in the region will be U-shaped, says Roubini's RGE Monitor. RGE Monitor, the firm founded by economist Nouriel Roubini, yesterday raised its growth forecasts for Asia, including China and India. The change is based on an improvement in global conditions in the second quarter of 2009, aggressive policy responses by governments and the fact that manufacturing activity in several countries has bottomed out. Inventory re-stocking, stimulus measures and global risk appetite will also temporarily boost Asia's growth, RGE said. However, RGE continues to believe global growth will contract until late 2009 or early 2010. Its forecast is that global growth will contract by 1.9% in 2009 and that economic growth in the United States, the European Union and Japan (the G-3) will be sluggish. RGE believes a complete recovery in Asia is dependent on the timing and pace of the G-3 recovery, hence Asia's growth will remain under pressure for the rest of this year. Deleveraging in the US and [the] EU and a slow revival of the global electronics cycle will lead to a U-shaped recovery in Asia, said RGE. The New York-based economic news and analysis firm added that structural reforms to boost domestic demand in Asia will need several years to take effect so a sustained recovery in Asia in the short term is dependent on the US recovery. However, better macro and financial fundamentals relative to other emerging markets will be a plus for Asian economies and asset markets during the recovery, added RGE. Asia ex-Japan will grow by 4.3% in 2009, led by China and India, and will revive further and grow by 6.2% in 2010, the firm said. RGE expects China to grow around 7.5% in 2009 with the fiscal stimulus being a key driver. However, RGE does not expect China's infrastructure spending to boost manufacturing in the rest of Asia. It cautioned that China will need to start tightening carefully in 2009 given overheating in equity and property markets and added that China also has limited ability to diversify from US assets. In India, domestic consumption will ensure growth of around 5.7%. But RGE highlighted that Indian companies will have difficulty accessing external capital which has been the main driver of investment in recent years and also suggested that investors into India are overly optimistic about government reforms. Further, slower exports and the dependence of both China and India on foreign capital will keep growth in these two economies below full potential, even in 2010. RGE predicted the four Asian Tigers namely Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan, as well as Malaysia and Thailand, will contract in 2009 with a sluggish recovery in 2010, on account of pressure on exports, and reduced domestic demand. Growth in the Philippines, Indonesia and Vietnam will also slow due to export contraction and commodity correction. Roubini is a professor at New York University's Stern Business School and a former adviser to the US Treasury and the International Monetary Fund. He was one of the few economists to correctly predict the scale of the recent financial crisis. © Haymarket Media Limited. All rights reserved. Sitemap | Subscribe | Privacy | Contact Us | Advertise Copyright 2009. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed in any form without prior authorisation. Your use of this website constitutes acceptance of Haymarket Media's Privacy Policy and Terms Conditions
Re: [ob] Fwd: (BN) Oil Will Reach $85 a Barrel, Decline Is Temporary,
Hedge fund.. http://www.peakoilprice.com/ But in the long, global oil prod had been on decline read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil From: artomoro9 artomo...@yahoo.co.id To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:01:14 AM Subject: Re: [ob] Fwd: (BN) Oil Will Reach $85 a Barrel, Decline Is Temporary, mungkin EL benar, GS juga bisa saja salah. tetapi kalo Oil kembali ke $35 rasanya juga buatan speculator sono, dan harga $35 ini juga pernah terjadi belum lama kok, tetapi itu ulah si pit hitam kata embah. menurut temen2 ane yang kerja di oil, oil company akan susah hidup kalo harga segitu, jadi pastinya harga oil akan terus di jaga di atas harga $35 itu. Cmiiw.
Re: [ob] Re: BUMI,
Top seller BUMI per jam 11:00 - 30 Jul: YS: 33.650 lot Buyer : CS: 100.407 lot
Re: [ob] Re: hati...hati...
REgional already in red zone ...
Re: [ob] BUMI
Gampang pak... jadi client Overseas pasti dapet hehehe..he.. Tul ga pak Tasrul.. Subject: Re: [ob] BUMI Pak Tasrul, saya mau lho di share rekomendasi internalnya. ..heehehehehe. ..
[ob] Sporing Balancing pake UNVR, ASII
Bahh... di garuk pake UNVR, ASII Index biar ga ketinggian?
[ob] CUM - Re: Haruskah Jualan Hari ini?
CIM lbh syerem lagee pak.. atos ah getek.. Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 5:42 AM sy aga geleuh sama kata-kata CUM itu.. kenapa yah.. Regards, DE
Re: [ob] Mengapa berfikir akan terjadi crash/rally down/big koreksi..
Rasanya fundamental nya blm cukup kuat utk membuat V shaped recovery.. as Noriel Roubini also said, we might be crawling for a while in the bottom of the pit before climbing out. Just be careful, prepare for the worst kata Billy.. And keep the best of hope too.
[ob] Bull restin~ Prediksi EL is being TESTED this week
Friday Look Ahead: Bull Could Take a Rest,Stocks could stumble Friday as investors reassess the market's rapid run.http://www.cnbc.com/id/32114588 --- On Fri, 7/24/09, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Subject: [ob] Prediksi EL is being TESTED this week To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 8:26 AM Apakah prediksi EL tentang datangnya PERIODE BEARISH akan menjadi kenyataan ?. Coba lihat grafik DJI ini: - http://www.obrolanbandar.com/pwldjiazz.png Biarkanlah market yg memutuskan siapa yg benar ? + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
[ob] BBC, CNN Marriot / Ritz Carlton bombing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8155084.stm 2 locations.
Re: [ob] Broker MU menyerang
Cuman turun dikit tuh, rebound lagi.. USD 1= Rp.10.115 (oanda.com)
