[ob] Buat Pak Gema
Buat Pak Gema tolong klarifikasinya apa benar selama ini anda trading dengan real money?. Kabarnya sebelum profit dari short GBP acc anda sudah mengalami margin negatif krn GBP bergerak naik bukan turun seperti prediksi anda sehingga margin anda menjadi negatif, tapi account anda tidak mengalami margin call. Anda bilang anda mendapatkan special account yang unlimited margin. Jika anda tidak berkeberatan, trading house mana yang bisa memberikan margin unlimited tersebut dan apa saja persyaratannya ? Salam Ferrari --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, lkm jkt lkm...@... wrote: Ada 2 jurus dari Pak kwee ceng yg sulit di tandingi. 1. Robot astronachi nya seharga 50.000 USD . 2. Beliau punya ACC di Forex yg acc nya Unlimited. sumber data dari beliau sendiri. Salam Lukman 2010/3/1 Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@... Kalau ga mau pusing, silahkan login... JLEBBB!! (Bunyi tombak nancep di pantat) ***pingsan On 3/1/10, kusu...@... kusu...@... wrote: Nanya serius ya, berapa banyak teory yg harus diterapkan supaya trader profit dan berapa banyak yang dibutuhkan supaya terlihat changgih ? duh...pusing... Sent with no Worries, Free with love -Original Message- From: Kwee Cheng kwee.ch...@... Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 21:44:54 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] RE: DISKUSI SEHAT DAN KLARIFIKASI - SELAMAT Bagi yang ikut Short GBP USD Dear Traders Sebelum memulai, marilah kita melandaskan persamaan konsep berpikir dasar tentang Trading sesuai dengan benchmark yang diberikan oleh VANTHARP institute. If you are serious about being a good trader, then you need to approach the practice of trading with the same level of rigor with which you would approach any high level endeavor. The market does not owe you or anyone great riches. The market does, however, occasionally tease a large number of people with seemingly easy gains (during bubbles and other manias) only to take them away again. Trading is a business. It's a profession. It's a skill to learn. Most businesses fail because they fail to plan. Business planning is the backbone to success. It shows you where you're coming from and helps you to organize your thoughts and your objectives, and come up with a plan to keep you trading successfully and in the markets for the long term. Therefore Van recommends that every trader or investor develops a thorough business plan to guide your trading. And even if you are trading well, he still recommends developing a planning tool. Those who are doing well will just have a little less work to do. Your business plan should cover all of the following areas: Your vision.Your purpose.Your objectives.A thorough self-assessment of your strengths and weakness based upon real trading logs that you collect (if you haven't done so already).A thorough assessment of the big picture and the fundamentals that might be behind any trend.A complete understanding of your beliefs about the market.Procedures for getting empowering beliefs and mental states behind you.A documentation of your research procedure for developing new systems and determining how to analyze their effectiveness.Your procedures for developing and maintaining discipline.Your budget and cash flow systems.Other necessary systems such as marketing, back office record keeping, etc.Your worst-case contingency plan.System 1which is compatible with the big picture.System 2which is also compatible with the big picture.System 3which might come into play should the big picture change.Lebih lengkapnya bisa dilihat di CLICK HERE Kesimpulan akhir dari Van Tharp : Trading itu adalah Bisnis yang harus dikerjakan dengan SERIUS, TANGGUNG JAWAB, dan DISIPLIN. Bagiamanakah jika sudah terlambat untuk Short Trade Di GBP? Apa yang harus dilakukan? Maka, Pastikan dulu SISA range penurunan GBP USD . Jika tidak lebih dari 100 pips, sebaiknya SABAR dan tunggu untuk Long Trade. Salam Kasih Gema www.stocksforliving.com --- Pada Sen, 1/3/10, JT jsxtra...@... menulis: Dari: JT jsxtra...@...
[ob] Tentang Prediksi billy
Bukan maksud saya untuk underestimate billy. Namun saya hanya melihat dari kacamata yang objective. Sebenarnya tidak ada yang istimewa dengan prediksinya billy, karena billy posting pagi hari jam 9.17. Malam sebelumnya kita tahu bahwa minyak turun signifikan 4% atau 2.5 dollar, dow juga turun hampir 3 % dan saham2 komoditas di Amerika juga turun dalam. Pagi hari pun kita tahu bursa asia saat itu masih bleeding juga. Dalam prediksinya , hampir semua saham yang disebut billy turun adalah saham2 komoditas: adro, ptba, indf, inco. Jadi tidak heran kalau saham komo di BEI juga akan terseret turun. Mengenai TLKM , tlkm telah breakout resist yang sangat kuat dengan volume yang signifikan. Kalau tidak salah sebelumnya billy predik tlkm akan turun. Namun pagi hari direvisi menjadi Up. Mungkin gara2 Di NYSE TLKM masih ditutup hijau. Melihat di NYSE tlkm close hijau Sangat Besar kemungkinan TLKM akan melanjutkan rallynya.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: PROYEK TRUBA DI PLN BERNILAI MILLIARD DOLLAR
Ada tuh yang dapat proyek miliaran dollar tapi harganya lebih murah dari trub. MYRX kalau tidak salah dapat proyek 27 T dari PLN untuk penyediaan batubaranya. Harganya sekarang cuman 1/3 nya trub 52 rupiah saja. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Bumi T [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TRUBA dapat proyek 10 ribu Megawatt dari PLN www.detikfinance.com/read/2008/09/27/124015/1013376/6/truba-nikmati-berkah-program-10-ribu-mw Kementerian ESDM menyatakan bahwa proyek 10 ribu Megawatt PLN bernilai Miliard Dollar www.djlpe.esdm.go.id/modules.php?_act=detailsub=news_medianews_id=2806 TRUBA memiliki pertambangan batubara dan suppy batubara ke PLN utk proyek 10 ribu megawatt www.detikfinance.com/read/2008/07/04/101553/966854/6/truba-negosiasi-kontrak-batubara-1juta-ton-ke-pln Dlm history, TRUB pernah tembus di Rp. 1500 dan emiten yg punya proyek Milliard dollar dimana harga sahamnya saat ini dimarket masih dibawah Rp. 200, tentu ini merupakan REZEKI didepan mata bila saham ini disimpan utk LT. - Dapatkan alamat Email baru Anda! Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan sebelum diambil orang lain!
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Buat Hari Senin (Buat TBUMI)
Cuan dari Hongkong, Giliran ANTM diatas 5000 an loe ngomporin beli terus,pake bilang beli untuk jangka panjang. Pas dikasih obral besar besaran komennya negatif terus, malah ngomporin orang jualan. Gimana mau untung kalau caranya begitu? Ngikut TBUMI kaga bangkrut aja udah sukur :D --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, t_bumi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dari cilacap makan ikan asin (dari pada makan TeMPe Ih.) SIP : TBUMI Tak bisa dapat ikan paus, tetap bersyukur bila bisa dapat ikan asin atau ikan teri. Yang penting masih bisa cuan. Semuanya bisa dapat kesempatan yg sama bila bursa lagi buka.
[obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
Kalau anda nasabah CP minta ngomong aja sama analisnya yang bilang fair value bumi itu 1000 lebih. Tanya dia gimana cara ngitungnya apa asumsi yang mendasarinya dan bagaimana bisa mencapai ke angka tersebut. Nilai suatu saham baru bisa dihitung apabila perusahaan sudah menerapkan Good Corporate Governance yang sangat tinggi. Menurut anda GCG nya bumi itu bagaimana ? (saya kira anda dapat menilai sendiri dengan jelas manajemen / owner bumi itu orang yang dapat dipercaya atau bukan). Di klubsaham.com dulu ada pakar yang membahas dengan detail maksud tipuan corporate actionnya bumi.Sayang saya tidak ketemu linknya. Tapi intinya si bandit itu mau mindahin utang usd200jt dgn bunga tinggi ke investor publik yg kasih duit ke owner tanpa bunga. Mungkin saja sih bumi bisa balik lagi tapi saya rasa tidak mungkin dalam waktu dekat. it is a very long long journey , setelah si bandit buyback kembali saham yang dilempar kepasar dengan harga murah. Mengenai option, di dunia investasi ini kaga ada yang high return tapi low risk. Kalau anda ingin return 10% per bulan ,harus siap juga untuk menerima resiko rugi yang besar pula. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Handika Wisnu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp 200/ saham. Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan ato tidak? Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi konservatif). Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2 luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta. Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor luar. Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 - Rp1200 Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham ini? Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ampe kelewat Terimakasih banyak Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury : Special Mention: BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on assets and Gordon growth methodology remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200 - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Re: Blow IHSG to the SKY HIGH tomorrow
Embah benar benar luar biasa, hampir semua trader yang saya kenal memang sudah sangat jiper dengan hantaman asing pada saham TLKM dan perbankan. Kemarin regional naik kencang tapi ihsg masih disembelih, Semua pikirnya si bugil lagi mau keluar barang. Bravo embah, tulisan embah timingnya pas sekali ibarat setetes air di padang pasir. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, up_trends up_trends@ wrote: hmmm ada sesuatu mbah? interest rate sesuai expectasi? TIDAK ada apa apa, cuman Conspiracy Theory as usual Hasil FOMC nanti malam akan dijadikan ALASAN buat NAEKIN index, kecuali hasil meetingnya JELEK BANGET... Para trader SUDAH pada CUT-LOSS digebukin selama seminggu terakhir... Jadi NAEKIN index ENTENG BANGET Coba check trader mana yang PUNYA BARANG kecuali para long term investor. Tapi long term investor ini ENGGA AKAN JUALAN meskipun besok index naek tinggi... Note: - Kita lihat REGIONAL besok pagi sebelon BERTEMPUR... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx- consultant@ wrote: Blow IHSG to the SKY HIGH tomorrow Cukup SUDAH market begerak SIDEWAYS.. Cukup SUDAH market DIKOCOK Cukup SUDAH market DIKERJAIN Tomorrow WE WILL BLOW the IHSG to the SKY HIGH !!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/zMEolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] RIGHT ISSUE.......PNBN Mungkinkah??
Saya setuju dengan bung Oentoeng. Saat ini PNBN hanya diperem supaya maling2 kecil pada cut loss. PBV dan PER PNBN saat ini adalah yang paling rendah dari saham2 Perbankan yang listed di BEJ. Berikut perbandingan PBV dan PER proyeksi tahun 2006 yang saya ambil dari risetnya Deutch Bank tanggal 8 mei. PBV Mandiri 1.81 BII 1.8 Lipo 1.8 Niaga 2.2 NISP 1.5 Danamon 2.8 PNBN 1.0 PER Mandiri 17.6 BII 11.5 Lipo 10.6 Niaga 15.6 NISP 15.7 Danamon 13.5 PNBN 7 Biasanya kalau PBV nya rendah PER nya sangat tinggi alias bank tersebut belum berfungsi sebagai intermediary. Tapi PNBN ini juga diproyeksikan punya PER juga yang sangat rendah. Yang artinya PNBN benar benar sangat undervalue. Rasio LDR pun cukup tinggi dan NPL masih terjaga. Turun lagi siapa takut, mau RI pun akan saya tebus :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, wijaya sonny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bung oentoeng jadi kira-2 PNBN ini mau kemana ya, maaf kalo pertanyaannya lugu ya --- oentoeng_q [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bicara RI dilihat dari PERGERAKAN SAHAMsangat MUDAH! Jadi kalau melihat HARGA saham yang naik kuenceng..hati- hati..KEMUNGKINAN BESAR mau RI. Apalagi kalau kelompok SAHAM MALING!? Kita bisa lihat PENGALAMAN RI EMITEN2 sebelumnya: 1. BNBR naik ke 300-an akhirnya RI 2. MLPL naik ke 300-an akhirnya RI juga. 3. ELTY naik ke 400-an sama juga endingnya. 4. Dll. Untuk mengenali apakah karena FUNDAMENTAL atau hanya untuk BUANG BARANGmudah diomong memang..tapi saya tahu ada GEMBONG BESAR masih bisa kena HAJAR di MLPL. Untungnya beliau dapet ganti dari PLACEMENT LPBN (karena collect sejak 600). Bagaimanapun MALING ama ORANG ALIM pasti beda! Kan lain kalau ASII ama UNTR setelah RI, harganya dengan sekarang bisa CUAN banyak Berdasarkan pengalaman: 1. Penurunan harga akibat RI sangat kejam rata2 bisa ANJLOK lebih dari separuh harga; seperti ELTY, MLPL dari 300 jadi 150-an; BNBR 300 jadi 100; 2. Tapi setelah RI prospek ke depan LUMAYAN...seperti BNBR 100 sekarang 200...CUAN 100%; lain dg MLPLNGENDOG..aja bisanya!? Tapi saya ingin mengajak BERBICARA PNBN kalau BENER2 mau RI dibandingkan dg BNGA (udah pglmn RI)! Dulu BNGA kan DIBAWA NAIK dulu sampai 550 kalau tdk salah, baru turun. Malah saya TAHU PERSIS waktu BNGA RI; ada GEMBONG yg berani NGESOT setiap hari! 500-1000 lot dari 500 sampek 550 akhirnya bisa BUY BACK di 500 ke bawah! Kebetulan saat itu market juga lagi CRASH! Barang2 orang-orang diganti sekalian pake nebus RIGHT...sekalian dapet WARRANT...jadilah beliau BANDAR BESAR BNGA-W!!! Kembali ke PNBN; saya punya beberapa alasan: 1. Kita lg NGOMONG saham PERBANKAN yg SULIT utk DIREKAYASA...dibandingkan dengan SEKTOR LAIN...karena masih ada BI! 2. Masak mau RI nggak pake buaNG BARANG dulu...terus BARANG SEGUDANG itu mau diapain??? 3. Misal HARGA diturunin sampe di bawah 500? Kita kan tahu PERBANDINGAN dg harga BNGA, BMRI...PNBN PBV-nya yg paling RENDAH! Apa mau dibuat LEBIH RENDAH LAGI? BD Goblok dari mana jualan PNBN dengan PBV kisaran dibawah 1,5... malah 0,.. nkali!? 3. Salah satu alasan saya GEMBAR-GEMBOR PNBN...beberapa saat ini adalah MENGGEDOR MENTAL BANDAR PANIN GROUPS yg terkenal PELIT!!! Sampai kapan MEREKA perem barang satu ini??? Sekarang ini banyak SRIGALA2 dg CASH in HANDAYO KUAT2-an BUNG! Hehehe. Masih banyak sebenarnya yg bisa saya ceritakan seputaran RI; karena saya juga punya SUHU kerjaannya SPESIALIS RIGHT ISSUE!!! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Deddy larimun@ wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, oentoeng_q oentoeng_q@ wrote: Ngomong RIGHT ISSUE...UNSP ama CTRA...ini yang bener... Nggak kayak PNBNmakanya saya buka di milis sini...biar kalau DITURUNINdisikat habis ama SRIGALA2 LAPAR maksudnya apaan? UNSP CTRA bener mau RI? PNBN gak ? ato kebalikannya? bikin bingoeeng ajeh org newbie __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com SPONSORED LINKS Business finance course Business to business finance Small business finance Business finance consultant Business finance magazine Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[obrolan-bandar] Bumi.
Ada artikel menarik dari seorang pengamat perbandaran di http://www.klubsaham.com/modules.php? op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=52mode=threadorder=0thold=0P OSTNUKESID=889cdc977cd77d2789e7b5bb9ef6a0c3 --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, A3K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blurr memang iya, tapi apa sih technology coal to liquid ?? Mupung hari minggu agak santai, please read the following artikel, karena semuanya is hunting to this new tech: Coal-to-liquid fuel offers answer to energy woes By David Dapice 19-07-04 Amid continuing violence in the Middle East, the issue of energy security is again on the front burner. With oil prices rising to a peak of $ 40 a barrel, countries have been looking at alternative energy with a greater urgency. This heightened sense of urgency, fortunately, has come at a time when there is evidence that a new approach using existing resources and technology can provide alternative energy to many countries. A glimmer of good news recently appeared: China signed an agreement with Sasol, a South African energy and chemicals firm, to build two coal-to-liquid fuel plants in China. These plants, costing $ 3 bn each, are reported to jointly produce 60 mm tons of liquid fuel (440 mm barrels) a year. Since China imported 100 mm tons of oil last year, these plants would give China much control over its domestic energy situation, though its demand is growing fast. The raw material and capital costs of a barrel of fuel would fall under $ 10 and other costs would not bring total costs over $ 15. Coal resources of 1 tn tons are widely distributed around the world. Many countries, including China, India, Russia, Ukraine, Germany, Poland, South Africa, the United States and Australia have extensive coal deposits that would last 100 years or more at current rates of exploitation. But coal is a highly polluting fuel when burned directly and also emits a lot of global-warming carbon dioxide. The Sasol technology, a third-generation Fischer-Tropsch process, was developed in Germany and used in World War II, and later in South Africa. (Steam and oxygen are passed over coke at high temperatures and pressures; hydrogen and carbon monoxide are produced and then reassembled into liquid fuels.) It has long been too expensive to compete with standard crude oil. On the plus side, sulphur and other pollutants such as ash and mercury are removed -- the sulphur can be sold as a by-product -- and carbon dioxide is segregated and can be injected underground. If hydrogen is needed for fuel cells, these plants can also provide it. In the near term, the petrol and diesel produced are high grade and clean, meeting even future 'lean diesel requirements of the United States. The real question is if these plants can be built and reliably produce fuels for less than $ 20 a barrel. Sasol already produces 150,000 bpd from coal. (Conversion from natural gas is cheaper and Sasol is in the process of switching its feedstock to gas in South Africa.) Each of the Chinese plants would be four times as large as the existing Sasol plant, and scaling up can involve difficulties. If Sasol can make these larger plants work at the publicised costs, this technology could be used by many other nations -- rich and poor -- who are willing to forego periods of very cheap oil for more security. (Indeed, even oil- producing Indonesia is looking into a coal-to-liquids plant as it now imports oil.) This technology also works in converting coal to natural gas at a cost of $ 3 to $ 3.50 per mm Btu. Since current natural-gas prices in the US are roughly double that, it would appear that coal-to-gas is also an economically viable technology. The coal-to-liquid technology would compete with the evolving tar- sands technology being expanded in Canada. This technology involves the production, either by mining or extracting with steam, of heavy oil trapped in sand. The heavy oil is then massaged into more valuable fuels. This source already accounts for a quarter of Canada's 3.2 mm bpd output. It requires natural gas to heat the tar and is energy intensive, but still has production costs of under $ 20 a barrel. Tar-sand reserves are estimated at over 250 bln barrels. These and similar technologies would allow much more plentiful isolated natural-gas reserves, coal and tar sand to be converted into liquid fuels. The long- predicted decline in petroleum production could be delayed for decades or more, and the geopolitics of energy would be rewritten at something close to or below current crude-oil costs. Is there a downside to rapidly adopting these technologies? Yes, from a global welfare perspective. Now, onshore oil-production costs are usually under $ 5 a barrel. If prices are higher, somebody (the country owning the oil or the company producing it) gets the difference between
[obrolan-bandar] MEDC
Sepertinya momentum penguatan medc untuk jangka pendek hampir habis. Berhati hatilah jika mulai ada koreksi krn saya perkirakan akan ada koreksi yang siginifikan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Try Online Currency Trading with GFT. Free 50K Demo. Trade 24 Hours. Commission-Free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/RvFikB/9M2KAA/U1CZAA/zMEolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[obrolan-bandar] Saatnya Borong INDF
Seteleh sekian lama berkonsolidasi,saya lihat sudah saatya INDF akan segera bergerak kembali. Borong pada kisaran 820-830 dengan target price 870. Good Luck. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Try Online Currency Trading with GFT. Free 50K Demo. Trade 24 Hours. Commission-Free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/RvFikB/9M2KAA/U1CZAA/zMEolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
