Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?

2006-09-27 Terurut Topik tjendrasa
Kok mkomentar komentar tentang bumi dari rekan milis yang nota bena ahli
pasar jadinya sangat subyektif sih?

Kalau langsir saya dari surat kabar,. yang saya dapat berita,... bukankah
EBITDA bumi masih sangat positif? Bukankah bank sekaliber Credit Suisse
masih berkenan jadi loan arranger nya?

Kalau kita melihat BUMI sebagai corporate TBK, maka, pembukuannya kan
sudah diaudit habis tiap tahun, jadi, bagaimana hubungannya dengan
Lapindo?
Bukannya LAPINDO itu dari EMP, juga perushaan TBK?

Kenapa anrgumentasi argumentasi jagoan market di millist ini tidak
melakukan analisa fundamental untuk menentukan nilai real BUMI sesuai
dengan data yang sudah di disclose, diaudit dan dipertanggung jawabkan
oleh independent consultant?

malah maling teriak maling urusan technical rebound?

Apakah tidka terlalu emosional tapi tanpa rasional?



 well ... mendingan battle di market daripada battle di milis ...
 gitu khan maksudnya ...

 that's why i don't concern in fundamental info 
 i just 100% concern in price ...

 bagi saya ... ngga ada saham bagus maupun saham jelek (busuk) ...
 yang ada hanya saham (yang harganya) naik dan saham (yang harganya)turun
 - kutipan dari darvas ...

 to mr.FS
 jgn dimasukkan ke hati pak, 
 masak gara-2 sedikit serempetan mobil di jalanan, trus kita jadi kapok
 nyetir mobil seumur-umur

 just a little incident ...



 Frederick Schubert wrote:


 sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who
 don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else
 opinion...
 i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like
 pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big
 investment.. .so.. my apology, then..
 this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer
 and ignore them...
 promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore...
 and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up
 a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money
 in the jungle world of the equity market
 peace and cheers to you all
 bye
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?

2006-09-26 Terurut Topik tjendrasa
Strategy bagus Bah, good goggle earth trick, hehehe



 Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?


 Embah sent KUTA picture seen from THE SKY..

 Berbaring dipantai sambil liat cewe ASING (bukan broker
 ASING lagi)... hehehe...

 NO MORE price chart, JUST FUN and RELAX...

 Coba dikeker, keliatan engga, embah lagi tiduran
 ama bule... JUST KIDDING

 ...

 embah


 
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: GAS habis lebih cepat dari yang diperkirakan !!!!

2006-08-09 Terurut Topik tjendrasa
Typical propaganda Perusahaan asing besar utk mendapat porsi lebih besar
dalam bagi hasil..hehehe

cadangan terbukti kita masih besar, hanya saja, belum dikembangkan...,
Laporan MIGAS menunjukkan di seantoro Nusantara masih ada 170an TCF gas
alam yang bisa dikembangkan, if the price is right...

memang cadangan gas di kalimantanm timur menipis, itu kan hukum lam yang
telah diantisipasi,...karena penemuan baru yang ekonomis tidak terjadi

Chevron sleama ini juga bukan gas player di Indonesia, kehadiran di KalTim
hanya karena akuisisi Unocal tahun 2005. Kontribusi Unocal di Kaltim juga
tidak sampai 30% dari total producers yang ada..

Soal harga, memang Indonesian domestic gas adalah over subsidied, dimana
harga dunia sekitar $7/MMBTU, market oriented dan domestik sekitar
$2-3.5/MMBTU flat long term contract.. Emang insentif investasi lokal
tidak begitu tinggi sih, kecuali cadangan yang sangat besar.

re.

 hmm supply limited, gas price might surge. but kalo gas abis,
 perusahaan yg berhubungan dgn gas bakalan apa yg mau di dagangin lagi??

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 Indonesia's LNG Supremacy Wanes as Chevron's Fields Run Short
 Aug. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Indonesia may lose its dominance of the world's
 liquefied natural gas market because fields operated by producers
 such as Chevron Corp. are running out of gas faster than expected.

 San Ramon, California-based Chevron, which supplies gas to the
 world's largest liquefaction plant on the Indonesian part of Borneo
 Island, told Indonesia's government on July 17 there isn't enough gas
 to meet commitments to customers in Japan, South Korea and Taiwan.
 Indonesia's LNG sales will fall 19 percent this year, according to
 government shipment plans.

 Indonesia, the world's top LNG supplier for three decades, is failing
 to find new supplies of gas just as prices and demand for the cleaner-
 burning fuel have surged to records. Buyers such as Osaka Gas Co. are
 seeking supplies from countries such as Qatar, cutting revenue for
 Southeast Asia's most populous nation and denting the government's
 efforts to curb a budget deficit.

 ``If we can't attract investment in the gas industry for new
 reserves, then there will be a decline as a major global supplier,''
 Anton Gunawan, an economist for Citibank in Jakarta, said by
 telephone Aug. 3. ``There will be a reduction in the foreign exchange
 reserves.''

 Indonesia started exporting LNG in 1977. It shipped 23 million tons
 in 2005, more than Malaysia's 20.8 million or Qatar's 19.8 million,
 according to figures from London-based BP Plc, the world's second-
 largest publicly traded oil company.

 Indonesia will probably fall to third place next year based on its
 plans to cut cargoes. LNG is natural gas that has been cooled to
 liquid form for transportation by ship to markets beyond the reach of
 pipelines. Import terminals return the LNG to gas form so that it can
 be sent through pipelines to customers such as factories, power
 stations and households.

 Russia, Australia

 Utilities in Japan, the world's second-largest economy, are turning
 to other markets for their future LNG needs.

 Tokyo Electric Power Co. and Tokyo Gas Co., Japan's largest power and
 gas suppliers, have signed up for LNG from Royal Dutch Shell Plc's
 Sakhalin project in Russia to diversify supplies. Osaka Gas, Japan's
 second-biggest gas distributor, is in talks with Tokyo-based oil and
 gas producer Inpex Corp. about joining a $6 billion liquefied natural
 gas project in Australia.

 Japan buys 40 percent of the world's LNG and depends on Indonesia for
 a quarter of its LNG imports, according to Japan's Ministry of
 Finance. The gas is part of a strategy to reduce the country's
 reliance on Middle East oil.

 Local Political Pressure

 ``The Japanese must be pretty worried about what's happening in
 Indonesia,'' Andy Flower, a former BP executive who now works as an
 independent LNG consultant, said in a July 20 phone interview from
 Surrey, England. ``There's no way they can renew the contracts and
 fill the pipe.''

 Calls from politicians including Vice President Jusuf Kalla to divert
 Borneo gas to other parts of Indonesia have fanned concern about the
 country's reliability as a supplier.

 A contract to supply 12 million metric tons a year to Japan may not
 be renewed when it expires in 2010 because gas production are being
 earmarked for delivery to Java by pipeline, Energy Minister Purnomo
 Yusgiantoro said in February.

 Buyers are ``already outraged by our failure to meet commitments,''
 Ari Soemarno, the head of the state oil company, PT Pertamina, which
 negotiates Indonesia's LNG sales contracts, said. ``We're still
 studying the impact of Chevron's statement.''

 While buyers are seeking alternatives, suppliers in Indonesia such as
 Chevron have become reluctant to invest in fields that may have to
 supply markets in Java at lower prices than Japan, Indonesian
 Petroleum