RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
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ngga lah..ok2 aja kok pak jt posting trs aja pak. justru cukup membantu dlm menambil keputusan beli/jual saham. kl ada yg ga mau..ya seperti biasa delete aja --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I’ll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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kalo gitu japri aja pak JT hehehehe becanda ah... On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:01 PM, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Pengamat Market *Sent:* 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
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Agree On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:01 PM, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Pengamat Market *Sent:* 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM -- Kindly Visit My Book Collections: http://www.tarasinta.com Tingkatkan Daya Manfaat Website Anda: http://www.tarasinta.com/shafo Newsletter Koleksi Buku Terbaru: Joint to My Group by sending email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sent blank email: no subject no Content)
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wah jgn gitu pak JT ini kami2 hanyalah perlu pencerahan, dimana anda yg mungkin lebih banyak informasi dan bisa lebih membaca pasar dari kami yg masih OB alias orang baru didunia saham. my poin is KEEP POSTING MR JT WE NEED YOUR HELP --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Kalaupun punya posisi, apakah menjadi tidak boleh untuk berpikir objektif dan membagikannya dengan yang masih awam ? Sepertinya anjuran elder sepemahaman saya adalah untuk tidak membicarakan posisi apa yang dimiliki bukan membicarakan status suatu saham dari sudut pandang TA ? Pak JT, teruskanlah postingannya pak, demi kemajuan OB... 2008/10/20 ryu valiant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wah jgn gitu pak JT ini kami2 hanyalah perlu pencerahan, dimana anda yg mungkin lebih banyak informasi dan bisa lebih membaca pasar dari kami yg masih OB alias orang baru didunia saham. my poin is KEEP POSTING MR JT WE NEED YOUR HELP --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED]jsxtrader%40yahoo.com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] jsxtrader%40yahoo.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Milis-AATI%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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no Pak dont keep private tp emang bener ada yg musti di keep private. soalnya salah mulu hehehhe tony hm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ngga lah..ok2 aja kok pak jt posting trs aja pak. justru cukup membantu dlm menambil keputusan beli/jual saham. kl ada yg ga mau..ya seperti biasa delete aja --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private , ok Ill stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I’ll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
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Berarti boleh dong sharing asal tetap objektif dan tidak mempublikasikan jumlah lot yang dimiliki, apakah begitu ? 2008/10/20 Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On *Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader *From:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] *On Behalf Of *Pengamat Market *Sent:* 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com *Subject:* [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
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ya pak JT, keep posting ajah, saya banyak belajar dari posting an bpk. Jgn dengerin orang lain, yg penting kan niatnya. - Original Message From: ryu valiant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:12:11 PM Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades wah jgn gitu pak JT ini kami2 hanyalah perlu pencerahan, dimana anda yg mungkin lebih banyak informasi dan bisa lebih membaca pasar dari kami yg masih OB alias orang baru didunia saham. my poin is KEEP POSTING MR JT WE NEED YOUR HELP --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
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setuju.., pak jt tetap posting posisi pak, bagi yg gak bs monitor seluruh saham scr menyeluruh, posting bapak sngt membantu meskipun keputusan ttp ditangan kita ( sy filter ke folder tersendiri gabung mbah).. --- On Tue, 21/10/08, tony hm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: tony hm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 1:25 PM ngga lah..ok2 aja kok pak jt posting trs aja pak. justru cukup membantu dlm menambil keputusan beli/jual saham. kl ada yg ga mau..ya seperti biasa delete aja --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I’ll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Buat saya, hal yg paling penting dari Om T, bukanlah dianya profit ato rugi. Tapi penjelasannya dari sisi technical. Grafik2nya sangat membantu mengerti apa yg dicoba dijelaskan. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 4:45 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/03.gif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private..., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
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Proses belajarnya pak yang penting.. Sharing view sih gk masalah pak... Sharing posisi jg gk dilarang... --- On Tue, 10/21/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:52 PM Buat saya, hal yg paling penting dari Om T, bukanlah dianya profit ato rugi. Tapi penjelasannya dari sisi technical. Grafik2nya sangat membantu mengerti apa yg dicoba dijelaskan. From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 4:45 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I’ll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
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Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. Dari: Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I’ll stop telling people about my trade.. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM Apakah demonstrasi turun ke jalan itu hal yang wajar? Temukan jawabannya di Yahoo Answers!
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Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. Dari: Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private..., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM Yahoo! sekarang memiliki alamat Email baru http://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/mail/domainchoice/mail/signature/*http:/mail. promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/ Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan di domain baru @ymail dan @rocketmail. br Cepat sebelum diambil orang lain!
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Setuju pak Richard dan dimilis ini juga perlu belajar juga saat kapan ambil posisi, pak JT salah satu panutan bagi kami di OB :D -NP- - Original Message From: Richard Ropongi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:25:09 PM Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. Dari: Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ yahoo.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I’ll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM Yahoo! sekarang memiliki alamat Email baru Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan di domain baru @ymail dan @rocketmail. br Cepat sebelum diambil orang lain!
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Saya kira Pak JT justru sangat membantu untuk menghidupkan lagi kegairahan dan keberanian orang untuk kembali ke market. Kalau mau jujur mungkin saya kira most of retail player, knowledge dan pengalamannya masih belum cukup confidence untuk masuk ke market dalam kondisi seperti ini. Lagipula apa yang perlu ditakutkan kalau memang tujuannya adalah untuk kebaikan dalam upaya menjaga index dan volume dipasar saham meningkat lagi, kecuali memang ada tujuan lain sehingga dengan adanya pengikut akan menambah beban berat untuk menjadikan pergerakan harga suatu saham sesuai dengan keinginan pihak tersebut. --- Pada Sel, 21/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] menulis: Dari: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Tanggal: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008, 2:29 PM Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik – buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. Dari: Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ yahoo.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I’ll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
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Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan..., jadi ngga konsen nih., sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan.hehehe.., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya., karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya., dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. _ Dari: Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM _ Yahoo! http://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/mail/domainchoice/mail/signature/*http:/mail.prom otions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/ sekarang memiliki alamat Email baru Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan di domain baru @ymail dan @rocketmail. br Cepat sebelum diambil orang lain! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
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he..he...he... gak ada yang sakit hati pak... sya cuman nulis apa yang saya baca dari buku...dan saya review sendiri dari pengalaman saya selama trading di beberapa market... Well saya sadar sepenuhnya posting ini pasti akan jadi kontroversi sama dengan di milis2 yang lain.. Sama dengan ketika penulis buku itu menulis juga. Tapi kalau kita mau melihat dari pengalaman kita masing2 pasti adaada hal-hal menarik yang bisa kita ambil.terkait dengan tulisan dari Mr Louise tersebut. Kita akan jadi belajar...kapan kita harus berbicara tentang suatu hal...dan kapan sebaiknya kita harus berdiam... Dalam kasus lain yang paling sederhana. Orang-orang sekaliber Soros juga tidak akan bercerita sembarangan tentang posisi dia di market. dan dia mo ngapain. Contoh yang paling kecil lagi Bakrie juga gk akan bilang ke kita si BUMI mo diapain lagi ama dia..dan ada permainan apa. Memang ada saatnya kita harus berdiam dan ada saatnya kita memang harus bercerita itu yang harus dipahami pak. Kalau kita cuman memahami tulisan itu dari sisi verbalnya saja...akan ada missing linknya pak. Sehingga seolah-olah dengan tulisan itu saya melarang tiap orang untuk ngobrol tentang posisi. Tapi sebenarnya yang ingin disampaikan adalah sederhana..Belajar kapan harus berbicara kapan harus diam...yang lebih jauh lagi adalah kita bisaterapkan when to enter...when to exit dan when to stop trading Konsep FAST Trader adalah konsep sederhana yang saya terapkan baik dalam trading maupun dalam kehidupan sehari2 http://www.trendtrader.co.cc/search/label/FAST%20Trader .. --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Richard Ropongi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Richard Ropongi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 2:25 PM Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. Dari: Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ yahoo.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I’ll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps..com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM Yahoo! sekarang memiliki alamat
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Pak JT, Postingan2 anda saya bilang 100% tidak ada yg negatif, malah membantu banyak newbie yg trading. Saya tidak tahu kenapa pak Pengamat Market keberatan atas postingan trading pribadi anda, say arasa sah2 saja...tanda alam? hehe Yah anggap lah postingan tersebut tidak ada, keep on posting as usual. Saya yakin 99% menyokong anda, yah normal lah kalo ada 1% yg tidak setuju. Namanya juga open forum... :-) Rei On 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan..., jadi ngga konsen nih., sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan.hehehe.., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya., karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya., dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. _ Dari: Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173
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Dear Pak Rei saya tidak keberatansaya posting juga tidak ditujukan untuk pak JT... silahkan baca posting sy sebelumnya deh...sblm post yang ini semoga bisa memahami --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:34 PM Pak JT, Postingan2 anda saya bilang 100% tidak ada yg negatif, malah membantu banyak newbie yg trading. Saya tidak tahu kenapa pak Pengamat Market keberatan atas postingan trading pribadi anda, say arasa sah2 saja...tanda alam? hehe Yah anggap lah postingan tersebut tidak ada, keep on posting as usual. Saya yakin 99% menyokong anda, yah normal lah kalo ada 1% yg tidak setuju. Namanya juga open forum... :-) Rei On 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan. .., jadi ngga konsen nih., sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan.hehehe. ., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya., karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya., dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. _ Dari: Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ yahoo.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness
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Pak JT Keep on posting. I learn a lot from you Regards On 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan..., jadi ngga konsen nih…, sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan…hehehe…., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya…, karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya…, dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik – buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Richard Ropongi *Sent:* Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. -- *Dari:* Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Kepada:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Terkirim:* Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 *Topik:* RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On *Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com* wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader *From:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] *On Behalf Of *Pengamat Market *Sent:* 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com *Subject:* [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader. co.cc _ _ _ _ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM -- Yahoo! sekarang memiliki alamat Email baru http://sg.rd.yahoo.com/id/mail/domainchoice/mail/signature/*http:/mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/id/ Dapatkan nama yang selalu Anda inginkan di
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Teori-teori yang disampaikan oleh Kalipatullah dari buku adalah ilmu, sharing.rasanya tidak ditujukan ke JsxTrader atau siapapun. Kebetulan, komentar-komentar muncul tentang JT, padahal bagi JT juga tak masalah, so silakan dukung JT dan tak perlu nyalahin Kalipatullah. On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: he..he...he... gak ada yang sakit hati pak... sya cuman nulis apa yang saya baca dari buku...dan saya review sendiri dari pengalaman saya selama trading di beberapa market... Well saya sadar sepenuhnya posting ini pasti akan jadi kontroversi sama dengan di milis2 yang lain.. Sama dengan ketika penulis buku itu menulis juga. Tapi kalau kita mau melihat dari pengalaman kita masing2 pasti adaada hal-hal menarik yang bisa kita ambil.terkait dengan tulisan dari Mr Louise tersebut. Kita akan jadi belajar...kapan kita harus berbicara tentang suatu hal...dan kapan sebaiknya kita harus berdiam... Dalam kasus lain yang paling sederhana. Orang-orang sekaliber Soros juga tidak akan bercerita sembarangan tentang posisi dia di market. dan dia mo ngapain. Contoh yang paling kecil lagi Bakrie juga gk akan bilang ke kita si BUMI mo diapain lagi ama dia..dan ada permainan apa. Memang ada saatnya kita harus berdiam dan ada saatnya kita memang harus bercerita itu yang harus dipahami pak. Kalau kita cuman memahami tulisan itu dari sisi verbalnya saja...akan ada missing linknya pak. Sehingga seolah-olah dengan tulisan itu saya melarang tiap orang untuk ngobrol tentang posisi. Tapi sebenarnya yang ingin disampaikan adalah sederhana..Belajar kapan harus berbicara kapan harus diam...yang lebih jauh lagi adalah kita bisaterapkan when to enter...when to exit dan when to stop trading Konsep FAST Trader adalah konsep sederhana yang saya terapkan baik dalam trading maupun dalam kehidupan sehari2 http://www.trendtrader.co.cc/search/label/FAST%20Trader . --- On *Tue, 10/21/08, Richard Ropongi [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: Richard Ropongi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 2:25 PM Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. -- *Dari:* Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ yahoo.com *Kepada:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com *Terkirim:* Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 *Topik:* RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On *Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com* wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private…, ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader *From:* obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] *On Behalf Of *Pengamat Market *Sent:* 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com *Subject:* [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58
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*Maksudnya apa ya, Pak PM ? Kalo mo polling, saya YAKIN : 99% mengharapkan Pak JT telling people about his trades ! karena postingan beliau sangat dinantikan oleh para Nyangkuters, Newbies,... dan mungkin juga para profesional. Dan saya YAKIN : 99% appreciate Pak JT for his generosity of sharing his skills in trading. so the results will be only 1% yang sakit hati ! So, Please don't discourage someone to do useful things to help others ! Keep on POSTED ! Pak JT, we are always on your side. Plus... what is the main purpose of OB anyway ? Gossiping ? Come on ! ... * On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Dear Everyone, Terima kasih banyak atas apresiasi yg diberikan terhadap posting-posting saya selama ini. Sungguh saya sangat senang jika apa yg saya share bisa berguna buat banyak orang. It is very clear bahwa Pak PM tidak specifically menujukan postingnya kepada saya (apalagi menyerang), tetapi lebih kepada seluruh TRADER secara UMUM. Hanya kebetulan saja saya sering share posisi saya secara terbuka (dan beberapa saat sebelumnya kebetulan saya juga baru sampaikan posisi saya di pgas), maka saya meresponsenya dan merasa berterima kasih karena telah diingatkan, karena saya pikir ada benernya juga. Dan perlu dipahami bahwa itu bukan statementnya Pak PM, dia hanya sekedar share dari ilmu yg beliau miliki., so I have no problem AT ALL thd posting Pak PM tadi ., after all saya juga fansnya ELDER (bukan Adler ya.!!haha., canda Bang) dan saya pikir Mr. Elder sebagai seorang Pakar punya alasan yg kuat ttg statementnya tsb. Jadi mohon dengan hormat untuk tidak melanjutkan perdebatan ini..., kalau mau dilanjutkan silahkan saja tapi mohon IN GENERAL.., misalnya; apakah sebaiknya seorang TRADER tidak mengatakan posisinya kepada orang lain BUKAN apakah sebaiknya JsxTrader tetap sharing atau tidak ttg trade positionnya. Again, Thank You All. Best Regards, JsxTrader
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Memang tidak specified nama Pak JT, tapi coba lihat aja responsnya Pak JT yang merasa *indirectly pointed to him*. Dan response dari Pak JT's followers? Semuanya kecewa kalau sampai Pak JT discontinued to tell us his trading. Karena posting dari Pak JT *SANGAT-SANGAT membantu kami yang membutuhkannya* ; begitu pula dengan posting dari *Mbah, Pak DE dan para Senior lainnya* yang tidak segan2nya dan sangat bermurah hati untuk *membagikan* *kepada yang membutuhkannya*. Masalah bisa salah atau tidak, tentunya sudah menjadi konsekuensi masing2. Tidak ada yang pernah menyalahkan bahkan tidak ada yang boleh menyalahkan. Disclaimer is always on. * Kalo semuanya takut disalahkan* mengenai analisisnya ato telling people of what he trades, milis ini eventually pasti ganti nama menjadi milis GB (Gossipan Bandar) !!! I don't think this is the main issue/subject of having this milis. Cugopan (cuman gosip2an) Thanks. Regards, FFY 2008/10/21 Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Pak Rei saya tidak keberatansaya posting juga tidak ditujukan untuk pak JT... silahkan baca posting sy sebelumnya deh...sblm post yang ini semoga bisa memahami --- On *Tue, 10/21/08, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:34 PM Pak JT, Postingan2 anda saya bilang 100% tidak ada yg negatif, malah membantu banyak newbie yg trading. Saya tidak tahu kenapa pak Pengamat Market keberatan atas postingan trading pribadi anda, say arasa sah2 saja...tanda alam? hehe Yah anggap lah postingan tersebut tidak ada, keep on posting as usual. Saya yakin 99% menyokong anda, yah normal lah kalo ada 1% yg tidak setuju. Namanya juga open forum... :-) Rei On 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com jsxtrader%40yahoo.com wrote: Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan. .., jadi ngga konsen nih., sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan.hehehe. ., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya., karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya., dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com[mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Iwan.Budi%40lglgold.com Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com[mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. _ Dari: Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ yahoo.comkalipatullah%40yahoo.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda
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Tetap Posting,terutama intradaynya,banyak sekali membantu, --- JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am Di, 21.10.2008: Von: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades An: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Datum: Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2008, 14:48 Dear Everyone, Terima kasih banyak atas apresiasi yg diberikan terhadap posting-posting saya selama ini. Sungguh saya sangat senang jika apa yg saya share bisa berguna buat banyak orang. It is very clear bahwa Pak PM tidak specifically menujukan postingnya kepada saya (apalagi menyerang), tetapi lebih kepada seluruh TRADER secara UMUM. Hanya kebetulan saja saya sering share posisi saya secara terbuka (dan beberapa saat sebelumnya kebetulan saya juga baru sampaikan posisi saya di pgas), maka saya meresponsenya dan merasa berterima kasih karena telah diingatkan, karena saya pikir ada benernya juga… Dan perlu dipahami bahwa itu bukan statementnya Pak PM, dia hanya sekedar share dari ilmu yg beliau miliki…, so I have no problem AT ALL thd posting Pak PM tadi …, after all saya juga fansnya ELDER (bukan Adler ya.!!haha…, canda Bang) dan saya pikir Mr. Elder sebagai seorang Pakar punya alasan yg kuat ttg statementnya tsb. Jadi mohon dengan hormat untuk tidak melanjutkan perdebatan ini..., kalau mau dilanjutkan silahkan saja tapi mohon IN GENERAL.., misalnya; “apakah sebaiknya seorang TRADER tidak mengatakan posisinya kepada orang lain” BUKAN “apakah sebaiknya JsxTrader tetap sharing atau tidak ttg trade positionnya”. Again, Thank You All… Best Regards, JsxTrader
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Iya pak, my bad...sorry ya :-) 2008/10/21 Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Pak Rei saya tidak keberatansaya posting juga tidak ditujukan untuk pak JT... silahkan baca posting sy sebelumnya deh...sblm post yang ini semoga bisa memahami --- On *Tue, 10/21/08, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:34 PM Pak JT, Postingan2 anda saya bilang 100% tidak ada yg negatif, malah membantu banyak newbie yg trading. Saya tidak tahu kenapa pak Pengamat Market keberatan atas postingan trading pribadi anda, say arasa sah2 saja...tanda alam? hehe Yah anggap lah postingan tersebut tidak ada, keep on posting as usual. Saya yakin 99% menyokong anda, yah normal lah kalo ada 1% yg tidak setuju. Namanya juga open forum... :-) Rei On 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com jsxtrader%40yahoo.com wrote: Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan. .., jadi ngga konsen nih., sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan.hehehe. ., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya., karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya., dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com[mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Iwan.Budi%40lglgold.com Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com[mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. _ Dari: Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ yahoo.comkalipatullah%40yahoo.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektif --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others
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Saya juga banyak belajar dari Pak JT, apalagi soal cara gimana cara mengatasi saham nyangkut, sangat memotivasi saya yg sedang nyangkuters berat. Pak JT jangan discontinued to tell us his trading. Kita sudah banyak kehilangan senior2x OB yg kritis, spt: EL, Pak De, dsb. Salam Cuan, Hendra Tanzil From: fifi young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:46 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Memang tidak specified nama Pak JT, tapi coba lihat aja responsnya Pak JT yang merasa indirectly pointed to him. Dan response dari Pak JT's followers? Semuanya kecewa kalau sampai Pak JT discontinued to tell us his trading. Karena posting dari Pak JT SANGAT-SANGAT membantu kami yang membutuhkannya; begitu pula dengan posting dari Mbah, Pak DE dan para Senior lainnya yang tidak segan2nya dan sangat bermurah hati untuk membagikan kepada yang membutuhkannya. Masalah bisa salah atau tidak, tentunya sudah menjadi konsekuensi masing2. Tidak ada yang pernah menyalahkan bahkan tidak ada yang boleh menyalahkan. Disclaimer is always on. Kalo semuanya takut disalahkan mengenai analisisnya ato telling people of what he trades, milis ini eventually pasti ganti nama menjadi milis GB (Gossipan Bandar) !!! I don't think this is the main issue/subject of having this milis. Cugopan (cuman gosip2an) Thanks. Regards, FFY 2008/10/21 Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Pak Rei saya tidak keberatansaya posting juga tidak ditujukan untuk pak JT... silahkan baca posting sy sebelumnya deh...sblm post yang ini semoga bisa memahami --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:34 PM Pak JT, Postingan2 anda saya bilang 100% tidak ada yg negatif, malah membantu banyak newbie yg trading. Saya tidak tahu kenapa pak Pengamat Market keberatan atas postingan trading pribadi anda, say arasa sah2 saja...tanda alam? hehe Yah anggap lah postingan tersebut tidak ada, keep on posting as usual. Saya yakin 99% menyokong anda, yah normal lah kalo ada 1% yg tidak setuju. Namanya juga open forum... :-) Rei On 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com mailto:jsxtrader%40yahoo.com wrote: Dear All, Sudah lah tidak usah diperdebatkan. .., jadi ngga konsen nih., sampe2 cover pgas jadi kecepetan.hehehe. ., let's back to business.. Saya akan tetap share meskipun akan saya batasi in term of trade position.., karena saya pikir memang dalam masa-masa bearish seperti ini sangat berbahaya., karena belum tentu level toleransi anda terhadap loss sama dengan saya., dan kalau anda rugi saya jadi kepikiran. Anyway, saya akan tetap share and help other dengan se-objective mungkin. Thanks utk apresiasinya thd posting-posting saya. Keep Hope A live !! Best Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:Iwan.Budi%40lglgold.com com Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 14:29 To: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Saya pikir, apa yg pak kalipatullah ungkapkan ada benarnya. Sebaiknya tdk diperdebatkan lagi. Takutnya jadi personal. Semuanya kembali ke Om JT. Bisa dipertimbangkan baik - buruknya. Yang jelas, banyak yg belajar dari postingan anda. Anda memberi semangat bagi newbie dan yg dah kejedut (kayak saya), bahwa masih ada celah utk gain saat pasar lagi bearish. From: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Richard Ropongi Sent: Tuesday, 21 October 2008 5:25 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups. com Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. _ Dari: Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ yahoo.com mailto:kalipatullah%40yahoo.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups. com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang
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supaya seimbang, inget juga advis dari om Warren, *Don't do what others say. Just listen to them, but do what makes you feel good.* On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:20 AM, Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc
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Setuju. Ini bukan ditujukan ke Mr. JT so no heart feeling. Both have been a great contributor, so keep on posting guys! From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M Alfatih Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 4:57 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Teori-teori yang disampaikan oleh Kalipatullah dari buku adalah ilmu, sharing. rasanya tidak ditujukan ke JsxTrader atau siapapun. Kebetulan, komentar-komentar muncul tentang JT, padahal bagi JT juga tak masalah, so silakan dukung JT dan tak perlu nyalahin Kalipatullah. On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Pengamat Market [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: he..he...he... gak ada yang sakit hati pak... sya cuman nulis apa yang saya baca dari buku...dan saya review sendiri dari pengalaman saya selama trading di beberapa market... Well saya sadar sepenuhnya posting ini pasti akan jadi kontroversi sama dengan di milis2 yang lain.. Sama dengan ketika penulis buku itu menulis juga. Tapi kalau kita mau melihat dari pengalaman kita masing2 pasti adaada hal-hal menarik yang bisa kita ambil.terkait dengan tulisan dari Mr Louise tersebut. Kita akan jadi belajar...kapan kita harus berbicara tentang suatu hal...dan kapan sebaiknya kita harus berdiam... Dalam kasus lain yang paling sederhana. Orang-orang sekaliber Soros juga tidak akan bercerita sembarangan tentang posisi dia di market. dan dia mo ngapain. Contoh yang paling kecil lagi Bakrie juga gk akan bilang ke kita si BUMI mo diapain lagi ama dia..dan ada permainan apa. Memang ada saatnya kita harus berdiam dan ada saatnya kita memang harus bercerita itu yang harus dipahami pak. Kalau kita cuman memahami tulisan itu dari sisi verbalnya saja...akan ada missing linknya pak. Sehingga seolah-olah dengan tulisan itu saya melarang tiap orang untuk ngobrol tentang posisi. Tapi sebenarnya yang ingin disampaikan adalah sederhana..Belajar kapan harus berbicara kapan harus diam...yang lebih jauh lagi adalah kita bisaterapkan when to enter...when to exit dan when to stop trading Konsep FAST Trader adalah konsep sederhana yang saya terapkan baik dalam trading maupun dalam kehidupan sehari2 http://www.trendtrader.co.cc/search/label/FAST%20Trader . --- On Tue, 10/21/08, Richard Ropongi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Richard Ropongi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bls: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 2:25 PM Mungkin Anda yang sakit hati pak.. Kalo kami yg newbie justru banyak belajar dari Mr. JT.. Saya perhatikan justru Mr. JT yg benar2 konsisten sbg trader dan saya yg paling salut beliau berbesar hati utk mengakui kesalahan waktu fail di INCO dan mau mereview.. Tidak seperti yg lain, kalo analisa nya salah, HILANG entah kemana, tapi kalo bener I TOLD YOU.. _ Dari: Pengamat Market kalipatullah@ yahoo.com Kepada: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Terkirim: Selasa, 21 Oktober, 2008 13:44:33 Topik: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Yang Disampaikan Mr Louise dalam tulisan diatas sangat sederhana. Bagi sebagian orang mungkin kurang penting tapi jika kita mau menelusuri lebih lanjut ada hal yang sangat krusial yang mungkin sering kita lupakan Dengan menceritakan hasil trading kita ke orang lain, mungkin kita telah menyakiti orang lain itu. Kenapa begitu?? Jika kita bercerita kita sedang profit kepada temen yang kebetulan sedang floating loss hal itu mungkin akan membuat mereka sakit hati. Atau mungkin sama-sama dalam kondisi profit tapi anda punya posisi 1000 lot sedang teman anda cuman 5 lot. Hal itu juga bisa menyakiti teman anda. Tapi hal yang paling penting sebenarnya adalah untuk menjaga agar penilaian kita ke market tetap objektifError! Filename not specified. --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: From: JsxTrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 1:01 PM Make sense..., better keep private., ok I'll stop telling people about my trade. Thanks for the reminding. Regards, JsxTrader From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Pengamat Market Sent: 21 Oktober 2008 12:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness
[obrolan-bandar] Stop Telling People About Your Trades
Stop telling people about your trades! Most people feel an overwhelming need to fill any silence with words. If you keep telling others about your open positions, you are encouraging them to respond. Dr. Alexander elder says, 'Don't talk your book'. While you have active trades in the market, it is far better to keep this private, and not discuss your successes or failures with another living soul. You do not need to hear another person's response regarding your effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a trader. The market will tell you soon enough. Your role is to introspectively work on yourself and your trading plan and not rely on others to sympathise or to congratulate. What other people thing about you is none of your business. From the book : Trading Secrets by Louise Bedford Page 58 This post originally posted at: www.trendtrader.co.cc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
