Re: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically
Hi friend, maybe we'd answer WHAT, WHO, WHY, HOW ; but WHEN ? I think this is not the good time. This is bear's time, we all know it. www.sayasendiribingung.com henri --- On Sat, 6/28/08, hidayat.ardiansyah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: hidayat.ardiansyah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 1:17 PM Kenapa disaat bearish selalu banyak posting yang pesimistik, worried, stress and any other suck think market mau bullish atau bearish itu adalah siklus, dan setiap siklus menurut saya selalu ada opportunity didalamnya.. . sangat rugi sekali jika kita cuma main disaat bullish saja, dan take a rest saat bearish... ingat apa yang pernah disampaikan master DE tentang siklus market. dimana selalu ada sektor yang show up di setiap session nya.. baik itu bullish atau bearish, jadi apapun kodisi market saat ini, tidak menghalangi kita to get profit. strategi penting diterapkan every session market, as a trader harus selective buy ambil barang yang masih show in di saat bearish saat ini, jangan ambil pisau jatuh….bisa berdarah darah, gada yang garansi…. Jadi investor, like El said, it's discount price any stock yang sudah lama di down grade… posisi 60-80% from peak, I think it's good time to entry, portion of risk and reward still good enough dimana risk sudah terbatas jika terjadi penurunan dan reward yang mungkin bisa didapat sangat bagus, maybe we can get 100% in gain. But still remember that as an investor time frame itu penting, 1 year atau lebih, jangan ngomong investor klo Cuma main buat 2-3 bulan, apalagi main Cuma 1 minggu… dijamin pasti stress Oya sekedar mengingatkan aja, untuk market US dengan market IDX mungkin kontrarian…. Ingat petuah dari Boss Oen, IDX punya saham saham 'mahal' yang liquid, Boss bisa saja tahan index hanya dengan mengerek bebepa saham index mover tsb jadi tergantung Boss mau dibawa kemana marketnya, so ga usah terlalu berharap banyak jika market US jebol market IDX bakal jebol. Sebaiknya perhatikan ke stock masing masing. kecuali klo kita main index bukan main saham. So don't be afraid, still optimist, focus for your plant and get Cuan!! Regards, -HA- On 6/28/08, Elaine Sui you.can.call. me.elaine@ gmail.com wrote: So, sell your stocks to me as cheap as possible. Elaine sudah lama tanya mau crash atau tidak, but I see many ppl want that too, so I guess i think it's not gonna happen (crash) but it will decline persistently little by little. Until when? Until Bernanke raises the fed rate. Now CNBC said that also (bear market) lol. For traders maybe it'd be the best to stay out for a while, but for ME it's just another entry point. Stressed they say? Well, it depends on where you put your money at and -of course- your investment timeframe. I believe (and I think others too) that bull and bear season is not forever.. Yeah, I know the economy is still weak, stocks decline and inflation rate soars. But think of this, if you read the news, there are so many strategic action by investors (either by acquisition or even a hostile takeover) happen out there. If the economy is THAT bad, it'd be no action like that, but it happens. Forgive me for being a contrarian, I see this is a good opportunity. . to invest. I believe Indonesia has a good future, way better than Singapore or Malaysia. 3-4 years from now I believe you're all waay richer than today. Why fret with the daily volatility?. Stop acting like you're a psychic. Stop speculating. Invest as it was meant to be. And the time is now. Like I always said before, I get everything at 50% discount (from their peak), maybe it will decline to 60% or even 70%, well I don't care. My investors don't care. There are always risk, but we can bear that cuz we believe in fundametals. Thank you, for everything. Sincerely yours, Elaine
Re: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically + film bokepnya mbah...
Sorry el, my push e mail already sent to all my friends, clients, etc.. last week..hmmph..soo boreeed... this week there some big news to come, yup inflation..and, some news bout PGAS UNTR, hehehe... bidikan gw ke dua saham itu sih, klo yg film2 yg disaranin mbah itu wealaaah, susah bner ngangkatnya, di TBLA bandar besarnya sontoloyo, baru nyampe 770 guyuuurr,, di HEXA theres some issue bakal ada sekuritas kecil yg ikut2an minggu kemaren bakal dikerjain tuh.. di JPRS, hmmm..sy belum tau bandar yg pegang barang banyaknya (disini ada gak ya?) kmaren mau coba2 angkat beuuh, kagak ada yg mau ngikut..mudah2an sesudah dipromosiin mbah besok JPRS bs maju.. point is, dont wory be happy... (ngutip riset OD ttg UNTR) hehehe.. PS, inget ya..Satu komando..serbuu... disclaimer nyala ya .. oia mbah, kok film goyangan multi orgasme KIJA kapan mbah? Sudi Mampir - Original Message From: Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:05:39 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically No need to rush, just exploit the general market weakness. Let's say if a stock has a highest price of 1000, you can try to pick them at 500. If its highest is at 12000 then 6000-7000 is a good buy. If it was 5000 then 2500-3000 is what I call oversold. If it was 34000 then my final buy point will be 16000. Most big cap stocks tend to go flat after they decline more than -40% (or even rebound very fast like Bumi Resources and Indotambang. . my wildcards). I agree now is still bear market, but I'd like to quote Mr. Buffett buy stocks that you feel comfortable when the market shuts down for ten years or so. (i forgot the exact phrase, but you get the idea) but somehow I feel most of you are gamblers, not true investors lol... Now help me spread the fear so my target will come sooner... ^_^ Mungkin ada tanya apa Elaine yangkut? Elaine jawab pasti ada kalau IDX went below 2100 (I hope it wont go that far), tetapi Elaine consistent 1-2 years from now I will get like 100% gain to say the least. Elaine tahu banyak member kesal dengan posting Elaine sounds arrogant and misleading. I did that on purpose. What purpose? lol you don't have to know that. The funny thing is, when I post something something ugly here (I mean REAL fucking ugly both in content or wording), the market shows some volatility increase (intraday), is OB really that big? Not just me, when Embah says something bold enough, it also shows immediate impact to market volatility. I guess OB indeed represents the market itself. Fascinating. .. Elaine On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:24 PM, sudi.mampir@ yahoo.com sudi.mampir@ yahoo.com wrote: Auw..auw..auw. .mantep bgt nih postingan el, ok sayah senen keluarin ember nya, klo perlu bak mandi nya sy keluarkan jg ye, hehe.. Pasukan bull, satu komando, serbuuu! Elaine Sui wrote: So, sell your stocks to me as cheap as possible. Elaine sudah lama tanya mau crash atau tidak, but I see many ppl want that too, so I guess i think it's not gonna happen (crash) but it will decline persistently little by little. Until when? Until Bernanke raises the fed rate. Now CNBC said that also (bear market) lol. For traders maybe it'd be the best to stay out for a while, but for ME it's just another entry point. Stressed they say? Well, it depends on where you put your money at and -of course- your investment timeframe. I believe (and I think others too) that bull and bear season is not forever. Yeah, I know the economy is still weak, stocks decline and inflation rate soars. But think of this, if you read the news, there are so many strategic action by investors (either by acquisition or even a hostile takeover) happen out there. If the economy is THAT bad, it'd be no action like that, but it happens. Forgive me for being a contrarian, I see this is a good opportunity. . to invest. I believe Indonesia has a good future, way better than Singapore or Malaysia. 3-4 years from now I believe you're all waay richer than today. Why fret with the daily volatility?. Stop acting like you're a psychic. Stop speculating. Invest as it was meant to be. And the time is now. Like I always said before, I get everything at 50% discount (from their peak), maybe it will decline to 60% or even 70%, well I don't care. My investors don't care. There are always risk, but we can bear that cuz we believe in fundametals. Thank you, for everything. Sincerely yours, Elaine
Re: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically
nyangkut banyak yah... he he he. On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *So, sell your stocks to me as cheap as possible. Elaine sudah lama tanya mau crash atau tidak, but I see many ppl want that too, so I guess i think it's not gonna happen (crash) but it will decline persistently little by little. Until when? Until Bernanke raises the fed rate. Now CNBC said that also (bear market) lol. For traders maybe it'd be the best to stay out for a while, but for ME it's just another entry point. Stressed they say? Well, it depends on where you put your money at and -of course- your investment timeframe. I believe (and I think others too) that bull and bear season is not forever. Yeah, I know the economy is still weak, stocks decline and inflation rate soars. But think of this, if you read the news, there are so many strategic action by investors (either by acquisition or even a hostile takeover) happen out there. If the economy is THAT bad, it'd be no action like that, but it happens. Forgive me for being a contrarian, I see this is a good opportunity.. to invest. I believe Indonesia has a good future, way better than Singapore or Malaysia. 3-4 years from now I believe you're all waay richer than today. Why fret with the daily volatility?. Stop acting like you're a psychic. Stop speculating. Invest as it was meant to be. And the time is now. Like I always said before, I get everything at 50% discount (from their peak), maybe it will decline to 60% or even 70%, well I don't care. My investors don't care. There are always risk, but we can bear that cuz we believe in fundametals. Thank you, for everything. Sincerely yours, Elaine*
RE: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically
Auw..auw..auw..mantep bgt nih postingan el, ok sayah senen keluarin ember nya, klo perlu bak mandi nya sy keluarkan jg ye, hehe.. Pasukan bull, satu komando, serbuuu! Elaine Sui wrote: So, sell your stocks to me as cheap as possible. Elaine sudah lama tanya mau crash atau tidak, but I see many ppl want that too, so I guess i think it's not gonna happen (crash) but it will decline persistently little by little. Until when? Until Bernanke raises the fed rate. Now CNBC said that also (bear market) lol. For traders maybe it'd be the best to stay out for a while, but for ME it's just another entry point. Stressed they say? Well, it depends on where you put your money at and -of course- your investment timeframe. I believe (and I think others too) that bull and bear season is not forever. Yeah, I know the economy is still weak, stocks decline and inflation rate soars. But think of this, if you read the news, there are so many strategic action by investors (either by acquisition or even a hostile takeover) happen out there. If the economy is THAT bad, it'd be no action like that, but it happens. Forgive me for being a contrarian, I see this is a good opportunity. . to invest. I believe Indonesia has a good future, way better than Singapore or Malaysia. 3-4 years from now I believe you're all waay richer than today. Why fret with the daily volatility?. Stop acting like you're a psychic. Stop speculating. Invest as it was meant to be. And the time is now. Like I always said before, I get everything at 50% discount (from their peak), maybe it will decline to 60% or even 70%, well I don't care. My investors don't care. There are always risk, but we can bear that cuz we believe in fundametals. Thank you, for everything. Sincerely yours, Elaine
Re: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically
Look at the picture... Mr. Bear Lagi baca Koran di pagi hari dengan segelas kopi ^^ you know what i mean lah BEI STILL BEARISH SINCE LAST YEAR any bull sign or fact until now is jusdt a SPIKA SPIKE SPIKUK With Love - Original Message From: Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 1:47:41 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically So, sell your stocks to me as cheap as possible. Elaine sudah lama tanya mau crash atau tidak, but I see many ppl want that too, so I guess i think it's not gonna happen (crash) but it will decline persistently little by little. Until when? Until Bernanke raises the fed rate. Now CNBC said that also (bear market) lol. For traders maybe it'd be the best to stay out for a while, but for ME it's just another entry point. Stressed they say? Well, it depends on where you put your money at and -of course- your investment timeframe. I believe (and I think others too) that bull and bear season is not forever. Yeah, I know the economy is still weak, stocks decline and inflation rate soars. But think of this, if you read the news, there are so many strategic action by investors (either by acquisition or even a hostile takeover) happen out there. If the economy is THAT bad, it'd be no action like that, but it happens. Forgive me for being a contrarian, I see this is a good opportunity. . to invest. I believe Indonesia has a good future, way better than Singapore or Malaysia. 3-4 years from now I believe you're all waay richer than today. Why fret with the daily volatility?. Stop acting like you're a psychic. Stop speculating. Invest as it was meant to be. And the time is now. Like I always said before, I get everything at 50% discount (from their peak), maybe it will decline to 60% or even 70%, well I don't care. My investors don't care. There are always risk, but we can bear that cuz we believe in fundametals. Thank you, for everything. Sincerely yours, Elaine attachment: bearrr.gif
RE: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically
Para pemula (khususnya saya), do NOT take it for granted... always DO our own homework or we are gonna be SLASHED... long-termers CAN still wait... PS. Neng, ieu teh no offense pisan loh! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:47:41 +0700Subject: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically So, sell your stocks to me as cheap as possible. Elaine sudah lama tanya mau crash atau tidak, but I see many ppl want that too, so I guess i think it's not gonna happen (crash) but it will decline persistently little by little. Until when? Until Bernanke raises the fed rate.Now CNBC said that also (bear market) lol. For traders maybe it'd be the best to stay out for a while, but for ME it's just another entry point. Stressed they say? Well, it depends on where you put your money at and -of course- your investment timeframe.I believe (and I think others too) that bull and bear season is not forever. Yeah, I know the economy is still weak, stocks decline and inflation rate soars.But think of this, if you read the news, there are so many strategic action by investors (either by acquisition or even a hostile takeover) happen out there. If the economy is THAT bad, it'd be no action like that, but it happens.Forgive me for being a contrarian, I see this is a good opportunity.. to invest. I believe Indonesia has a good future, way better than Singapore or Malaysia. 3-4 years from now I believe you're all waay richer than today. Why fret with the daily volatility?. Stop acting like you're a psychic. Stop speculating. Invest as it was meant to be.And the time is now. Like I always said before, I get everything at 50% discount (from their peak), maybe it will decline to 60% or even 70%, well I don't care. My investors don't care. There are always risk, but we can bear that cuz we believe in fundametals.Thank you, for everything.Sincerely yours,Elaine _ Manage multiple email accounts with Windows Live Mail effortlessly. http://www.get.live.com/wl/all
Re: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically
kasian yg kerja di broker ama jadi mi dong pusing 7 keliling cari makan tapi kalo pinternya kyk el dan om oen yg bisa cuan 500% lebih dlm 1 thn pasti tenang hehehhehe Hendrik Limbono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at the picture... Mr. Bear Lagi baca Koran di pagi hari dengan segelas kopi ^^ you know what i mean lah BEI STILL BEARISH SINCE LAST YEAR any bull sign or fact until now is jusdt a SPIKA SPIKE SPIKUK With Love - Original Message From: Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 1:47:41 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically So, sell your stocks to me as cheap as possible. Elaine sudah lama tanya mau crash atau tidak, but I see many ppl want that too, so I guess i think it's not gonna happen (crash) but it will decline persistently little by little. Until when? Until Bernanke raises the fed rate. Now CNBC said that also (bear market) lol. For traders maybe it'd be the best to stay out for a while, but for ME it's just another entry point. Stressed they say? Well, it depends on where you put your money at and -of course- your investment timeframe. I believe (and I think others too) that bull and bear season is not forever. Yeah, I know the economy is still weak, stocks decline and inflation rate soars. But think of this, if you read the news, there are so many strategic action by investors (either by acquisition or even a hostile takeover) happen out there. If the economy is THAT bad, it'd be no action like that, but it happens. Forgive me for being a contrarian, I see this is a good opportunity. . to invest. I believe Indonesia has a good future, way better than Singapore or Malaysia. 3-4 years from now I believe you're all waay richer than today. Why fret with the daily volatility?. Stop acting like you're a psychic. Stop speculating. Invest as it was meant to be. And the time is now. Like I always said before, I get everything at 50% discount (from their peak), maybe it will decline to 60% or even 70%, well I don't care. My investors don't care. There are always risk, but we can bear that cuz we believe in fundametals. Thank you, for everything. Sincerely yours, Elaine
Re: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically
*No need to rush, just exploit the general market weakness. Let's say if a stock has a highest price of 1000, you can try to pick them at 500. If its highest is at 12000 then 6000-7000 is a good buy. If it was 5000 then 2500-3000 is what I call oversold. If it was 34000 then my final buy point will be 16000. Most big cap stocks tend to go flat after they decline more than -40% (or even rebound very fast like Bumi Resources and Indotambang.. my wildcards). I agree now is still bear market, but I'd like to quote Mr. Buffett buy stocks that you feel comfortable when the market shuts down for ten years or so. (i forgot the exact phrase, but you get the idea) but somehow I feel most of you are gamblers, not true investors lol... Now help me spread the fear so my target will come sooner... ^_^ Mungkin ada tanya apa Elaine yangkut? Elaine jawab pasti ada kalau IDX went below 2100 (I hope it wont go that far), tetapi Elaine consistent 1-2 years from now I will get like 100% gain to say the least. Elaine tahu banyak member kesal dengan posting Elaine sounds arrogant and misleading. I did that on purpose. What purpose? lol you don't have to know that. The funny thing is, when I post something something ugly here (I mean REAL fucking ugly both in content or wording), the market shows some volatility increase (intraday), is OB really that big? Not just me, when Embah says something bold enough, it also shows immediate impact to market volatility. I guess OB indeed represents the market itself. Fascinating... Elaine** * On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Auw..auw..auw..mantep bgt nih postingan el, ok sayah senen keluarin ember nya, klo perlu bak mandi nya sy keluarkan jg ye, hehe.. Pasukan bull, satu komando, serbuuu! Elaine Sui wrote: So, sell your stocks to me as cheap as possible. Elaine sudah lama tanya mau crash atau tidak, but I see many ppl want that too, so I guess i think it's not gonna happen (crash) but it will decline persistently little by little. Until when? Until Bernanke raises the fed rate. Now CNBC said that also (bear market) lol. For traders maybe it'd be the best to stay out for a while, but for ME it's just another entry point. Stressed they say? Well, it depends on where you put your money at and -of course- your investment timeframe. I believe (and I think others too) that bull and bear season is not forever. Yeah, I know the economy is still weak, stocks decline and inflation rate soars. But think of this, if you read the news, there are so many strategic action by investors (either by acquisition or even a hostile takeover) happen out there. If the economy is THAT bad, it'd be no action like that, but it happens. Forgive me for being a contrarian, I see this is a good opportunity. . to invest. I believe Indonesia has a good future, way better than Singapore or Malaysia. 3-4 years from now I believe you're all waay richer than today. Why fret with the daily volatility?. Stop acting like you're a psychic. Stop speculating. Invest as it was meant to be. And the time is now. Like I always said before, I get everything at 50% discount (from their peak), maybe it will decline to 60% or even 70%, well I don't care. My investors don't care. There are always risk, but we can bear that cuz we believe in fundametals. Thank you, for everything. Sincerely yours, Elaine
Re: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically
*Hehe…. Great!!* =) *Market just represent their psychology, who can control it, they are the winner.* -HA- On 6/28/08, hidayat. ardiansyah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenapa disaat bearish selalu banyak posting yang pesimistik, worried, stress and any other suck think market mau bullish atau bearish itu adalah siklus, dan setiap siklus menurut saya selalu ada opportunity didalamnya... sangat rugi sekali jika kita cuma main disaat bullish saja, dan take a rest saat bearish... ingat apa yang pernah disampaikan master DE tentang siklus market. dimana selalu ada sektor yang show up di setiap session nya.. baik itu bullish atau bearish, jadi apapun kodisi market saat ini, tidak menghalangi kita to get profit. strategi penting diterapkan every session market, as a trader harus selective buy ambil barang yang masih show in di saat bearish saat ini, jangan ambil pisau jatuh….bisa berdarah darah, gada yang garansi…. Jadi investor, like El said, it's discount price any stock yang sudah lama di down grade… posisi 60-80% from peak, I think it's good time to entry, portion of risk and reward still good enough dimana risk sudah terbatas jika terjadi penurunan dan reward yang mungkin bisa didapat sangat bagus, maybe we can get 100% in gain. But still remember that as an investor time frame itu penting, 1 year atau lebih, jangan ngomong investor klo Cuma main buat 2-3 bulan, apalagi main Cuma 1 minggu… dijamin pasti stress Oya sekedar mengingatkan aja, untuk market US dengan market IDX mungkin kontrarian…. Ingat petuah dari Boss Oen, IDX punya saham saham 'mahal' yang liquid, Boss bisa saja tahan index hanya dengan mengerek bebepa saham index mover tsb jadi tergantung Boss mau dibawa kemana marketnya, so ga usah terlalu berharap banyak jika market US jebol market IDX bakal jebol. Sebaiknya perhatikan ke stock masing masing. kecuali klo kita main index bukan main saham. So don't be afraid, still optimist, focus for your plant and get Cuan!! Regards, -HA- On 6/28/08, Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *So, sell your stocks to me as cheap as possible. Elaine sudah lama tanya mau crash atau tidak, but I see many ppl want that too, so I guess i think it's not gonna happen (crash) but it will decline persistently little by little. Until when? Until Bernanke raises the fed rate. Now CNBC said that also (bear market) lol. For traders maybe it'd be the best to stay out for a while, but for ME it's just another entry point. Stressed they say? Well, it depends on where you put your money at and -of course- your investment timeframe. I believe (and I think others too) that bull and bear season is not forever. Yeah, I know the economy is still weak, stocks decline and inflation rate soars. But think of this, if you read the news, there are so many strategic action by investors (either by acquisition or even a hostile takeover) happen out there. If the economy is THAT bad, it'd be no action like that, but it happens. Forgive me for being a contrarian, I see this is a good opportunity.. to invest. I believe Indonesia has a good future, way better than Singapore or Malaysia. 3-4 years from now I believe you're all waay richer than today. Why fret with the daily volatility?. Stop acting like you're a psychic. Stop speculating. Invest as it was meant to be. And the time is now. Like I always said before, I get everything at 50% discount (from their peak), maybe it will decline to 60% or even 70%, well I don't care. My investors don't care. There are always risk, but we can bear that cuz we believe in fundametals. Thank you, for everything. Sincerely yours, Elaine*
Re: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically
Kenapa disaat bearish selalu banyak posting yang pesimistik, worried, stress and any other suck think market mau bullish atau bearish itu adalah siklus, dan setiap siklus menurut saya selalu ada opportunity didalamnya... sangat rugi sekali jika kita cuma main disaat bullish saja, dan take a rest saat bearish... ingat apa yang pernah disampaikan master DE tentang siklus market. dimana selalu ada sektor yang show up di setiap session nya.. baik itu bullish atau bearish, jadi apapun kodisi market saat ini, tidak menghalangi kita to get profit. strategi penting diterapkan every session market, as a trader harus selective buy ambil barang yang masih show in di saat bearish saat ini, jangan ambil pisau jatuh….bisa berdarah darah, gada yang garansi…. Jadi investor, like El said, it's discount price any stock yang sudah lama di down grade… posisi 60-80% from peak, I think it's good time to entry, portion of risk and reward still good enough dimana risk sudah terbatas jika terjadi penurunan dan reward yang mungkin bisa didapat sangat bagus, maybe we can get 100% in gain. But still remember that as an investor time frame itu penting, 1 year atau lebih, jangan ngomong investor klo Cuma main buat 2-3 bulan, apalagi main Cuma 1 minggu… dijamin pasti stress Oya sekedar mengingatkan aja, untuk market US dengan market IDX mungkin kontrarian…. Ingat petuah dari Boss Oen, IDX punya saham saham 'mahal' yang liquid, Boss bisa saja tahan index hanya dengan mengerek bebepa saham index mover tsb jadi tergantung Boss mau dibawa kemana marketnya, so ga usah terlalu berharap banyak jika market US jebol market IDX bakal jebol. Sebaiknya perhatikan ke stock masing masing. kecuali klo kita main index bukan main saham. So don't be afraid, still optimist, focus for your plant and get Cuan!! Regards, -HA- On 6/28/08, Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *So, sell your stocks to me as cheap as possible. Elaine sudah lama tanya mau crash atau tidak, but I see many ppl want that too, so I guess i think it's not gonna happen (crash) but it will decline persistently little by little. Until when? Until Bernanke raises the fed rate. Now CNBC said that also (bear market) lol. For traders maybe it'd be the best to stay out for a while, but for ME it's just another entry point. Stressed they say? Well, it depends on where you put your money at and -of course- your investment timeframe. I believe (and I think others too) that bull and bear season is not forever. Yeah, I know the economy is still weak, stocks decline and inflation rate soars. But think of this, if you read the news, there are so many strategic action by investors (either by acquisition or even a hostile takeover) happen out there. If the economy is THAT bad, it'd be no action like that, but it happens. Forgive me for being a contrarian, I see this is a good opportunity.. to invest. I believe Indonesia has a good future, way better than Singapore or Malaysia. 3-4 years from now I believe you're all waay richer than today. Why fret with the daily volatility?. Stop acting like you're a psychic. Stop speculating. Invest as it was meant to be. And the time is now. Like I always said before, I get everything at 50% discount (from their peak), maybe it will decline to 60% or even 70%, well I don't care. My investors don't care. There are always risk, but we can bear that cuz we believe in fundametals. Thank you, for everything. Sincerely yours, Elaine*
Re: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically
So BUY INCO, ANTM, ISAT, TLKM, UNTR, PGAS ?? - Original Message - From: Elaine Sui To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically So, sell your stocks to me as cheap as possible. Elaine sudah lama tanya mau crash atau tidak, but I see many ppl want that too, so I guess i think it's not gonna happen (crash) but it will decline persistently little by little. Until when? Until Bernanke raises the fed rate. Now CNBC said that also (bear market) lol. For traders maybe it'd be the best to stay out for a while, but for ME it's just another entry point. Stressed they say? Well, it depends on where you put your money at and -of course- your investment timeframe. I believe (and I think others too) that bull and bear season is not forever. Yeah, I know the economy is still weak, stocks decline and inflation rate soars. But think of this, if you read the news, there are so many strategic action by investors (either by acquisition or even a hostile takeover) happen out there. If the economy is THAT bad, it'd be no action like that, but it happens. Forgive me for being a contrarian, I see this is a good opportunity.. to invest. I believe Indonesia has a good future, way better than Singapore or Malaysia. 3-4 years from now I believe you're all waay richer than today. Why fret with the daily volatility?. Stop acting like you're a psychic. Stop speculating. Invest as it was meant to be. And the time is now. Like I always said before, I get everything at 50% discount (from their peak), maybe it will decline to 60% or even 70%, well I don't care. My investors don't care. There are always risk, but we can bear that cuz we believe in fundametals. Thank you, for everything. Sincerely yours, Elaine
Re: [obrolan-bandar] My view on Indonesia and IDX specifically
kalo bisa collect saham yg fundamental bagus dan yg masi ada ceritanya kedepan jangan masuk yg fundamental sontoloyo krn kalo now dikasi disc 40% bisa aja nanti dikasi 80% ato apesnya yah delisting /suspend luammmaaa bgt. Elaine Sui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No need to rush, just exploit the general market weakness. Let's say if a stock has a highest price of 1000, you can try to pick them at 500. If its highest is at 12000 then 6000-7000 is a good buy. If it was 5000 then 2500-3000 is what I call oversold. If it was 34000 then my final buy point will be 16000. Most big cap stocks tend to go flat after they decline more than -40% (or even rebound very fast like Bumi Resources and Indotambang.. my wildcards). I agree now is still bear market, but I'd like to quote Mr. Buffett buy stocks that you feel comfortable when the market shuts down for ten years or so. (i forgot the exact phrase, but you get the idea) but somehow I feel most of you are gamblers, not true investors lol... Now help me spread the fear so my target will come sooner... ^_^ Mungkin ada tanya apa Elaine yangkut? Elaine jawab pasti ada kalau IDX went below 2100 (I hope it wont go that far), tetapi Elaine consistent 1-2 years from now I will get like 100% gain to say the least. Elaine tahu banyak member kesal dengan posting Elaine sounds arrogant and misleading. I did that on purpose. What purpose? lol you don't have to know that. The funny thing is, when I post something something ugly here (I mean REAL fucking ugly both in content or wording), the market shows some volatility increase (intraday), is OB really that big? Not just me, when Embah says something bold enough, it also shows immediate impact to market volatility. I guess OB indeed represents the market itself. Fascinating... Elaine On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Auw..auw..auw..mantep bgt nih postingan el, ok sayah senen keluarin ember nya, klo perlu bak mandi nya sy keluarkan jg ye, hehe.. Pasukan bull, satu komando, serbuuu! Elaine Sui wrote: So, sell your stocks to me as cheap as possible. Elaine sudah lama tanya mau crash atau tidak, but I see many ppl want that too, so I guess i think it's not gonna happen (crash) but it will decline persistently little by little. Until when? Until Bernanke raises the fed rate. Now CNBC said that also (bear market) lol. For traders maybe it'd be the best to stay out for a while, but for ME it's just another entry point. Stressed they say? Well, it depends on where you put your money at and -of course- your investment timeframe. I believe (and I think others too) that bull and bear season is not forever. Yeah, I know the economy is still weak, stocks decline and inflation rate soars. But think of this, if you read the news, there are so many strategic action by investors (either by acquisition or even a hostile takeover) happen out there. If the economy is THAT bad, it'd be no action like that, but it happens. Forgive me for being a contrarian, I see this is a good opportunity. . to invest. I believe Indonesia has a good future, way better than Singapore or Malaysia. 3-4 years from now I believe you're all waay richer than today. Why fret with the daily volatility?. Stop acting like you're a psychic. Stop speculating. Invest as it was meant to be. And the time is now. Like I always said before, I get everything at 50% discount (from their peak), maybe it will decline to 60% or even 70%, well I don't care. My investors don't care. There are always risk, but we can bear that cuz we believe in fundametals. Thank you, for everything. Sincerely yours, Elaine
