Re: [oi-dev] Building OpenIndiana

2013-05-09 Thread Andrzej Szeszo
G B: There are some build instructions on the wiki. I also put some notes together here https://gist.github.com/aszeszo/2855864 when building and rebuilding upstream repositories as an experiment. Note that the repos referenced in the gist were not synced with upstream in almost a year. Build

[oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Andrzej Szeszo
Hi All (Instead of replying to a message in one of the other threads I thought I will create a new one.) Just wanted to say that I don't see a future for the project in its current form. There is simply too many packages and too much baggage for a handful of people to look after. I think the

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 05/09/2013 10:01 AM, Andrzej Szeszo wrote: Hi All (Instead of replying to a message in one of the other threads I thought I will create a new one.) Just wanted to say that I don't see a future for the project in its current form. There is simply too many packages and too much baggage

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-05-09 10:01, Andrzej Szeszo wrote: Hi All (Instead of replying to a message in one of the other threads I thought I will create a new one.) Just wanted to say that I don't see a future for the project in its current form. There is simply too many packages and too much baggage for a

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Andrzej Szeszo
Hi Sašo Thanks for your support! Andrzej On 9 May 2013 10:36, Sašo Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/09/2013 10:01 AM, Andrzej Szeszo wrote: Hi All (Instead of replying to a message in one of the other threads I thought I will create a new one.) Just wanted to say that

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-05-09 13:06, Andrzej Szeszo wrote: The process you have described sounds a lot like OI's original plan. It didn't work out. There was too much baggage. No one was willing to spend time learning it. It was just too ... ugly. It's possible to try it differently this time :) One way or

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Andrzej Szeszo
Hi David Igor is doing great job with his CIBS stuff. Certainly worth consideration for a project reboot. I agree on the contribution front. I had similar experience with Vagrant. It took probably less than 1h for my change to end up in the official repo. Andrzej On 9 May 2013 11:08, David

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Peter Tribble
Hi, (Instead of replying to a message in one of the other threads I thought I will create a new one.) Just wanted to say that I don't see a future for the project in its current form. There is simply too many packages and too much baggage for a handful of people to look after. I think you

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread ken mays
Hello, 1. Provide an updated kernel userland (i.e. Illumos-gate, rev: 19e11862653b or higher). This allows people that use OI for server-based projects to stay in sync with Illumos development on a much wider scale.  2. Optionally, implement JDS updates already maintained by Milan from 

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Alasdair Lumsden
Hi, One thing to keep in mind that OI has (or at least, had) the largest install base of any OpenSolaris derived distro, thanks to the fact it is upgrade compatible with OpenSolaris. If you don't maintain that, then there is no point in continuing with OI - you may as well start with OmniOS. My

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 05/09/2013 03:29 PM, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: It certainly had plenty of users. Still has. What needs to be done is stop bickering about stuff on the mailing list and starting pushing out releases. By that I don't mean that you or anybody else in the community is doing something bad - you did

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 05/09/2013 03:55 PM, mag...@yonderway.com wrote: On Thu, 09 May 2013 15:39:39 +0200, Sašo Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.com wrote: The finer details of release engineering and project architecture is of course something to be debated, but probably not on a public forum. Why not?

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 9 May 2013, Peter Tribble wrote: And also what differentiates you from other offerings. Specifically, thinking about other similar projects, what would OI offer that you wouldn't get from OmniOS (which I regard as the closest distro)? The main differentiators appear to be the ability

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-05-09 16:02, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: The Tribblix approach is likely a good one. Start off with a good smaller core and then add more sophisticated features via packages. This requires a new distribution though. Two words: backwards compatibility ;) Reinventing the wheel from scratch

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Garrett D'Amore
Fundamentally, the question you all should be asking is, what is the purpose of the project? The problem with OI has always been lack of a clear vision. The original purpose, to be a free community-run clone of Solaris 11, had no future. It was doomed to fail because it was an attempt to

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Martin Bochnig
Privet ! On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru wrote: On 2013-05-09 13:06, Andrzej Szeszo wrote: The process you have described sounds a lot like OI's original plan. It didn't work out. There was too much baggage. No one was willing to spend time learning it. It was

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread James Winter
Having the server is key to the linux / unix world. Portability is the newer direction that several distros are moving toward so a multi-platform architecture is key. Would we be able to include a few compilers (C / C++ etc. ) stock for when the driver is not available after initial install?

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On May 9, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Milan Jurik milan.ju...@xylab.cz wrote: Hi, OK, so start yet another distro :-) OI needs one thing it does not have - release engineering team. Jon is too busy and I cannot do that. I am happy to work on some things from time to time for fun but my job is

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Milan Jurik milan.ju...@xylab.cz wrote: enjoy it (and my private life also). And to be fair, with total lost of interest in desktop systems in Illumos by core team, I have less and less motivation to work on it. Hi Milan, good observation. Sadly I must

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 9 May 2013, Garrett D'Amore wrote: Upshot, *today* anyone who thinks there is a commercial future in illumos on the desktop is probably smoking something. There are a few people who would be willing to pay for it, but it needs more than a few dozen people willing to pay a couple

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Dave Koelmeyer
Precisely. Cheers Dave Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: Availability of a graphical desktop is seen as a requirement for common acceptance. Much/most of the graphical desktop development taking place for Linux does not seem to be done by the companies which popularly

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Ian Johnson
On 2013/05/09, at 17:09, Martin Bochnig mar...@martux.org wrote: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Milan Jurik milan.ju...@xylab.cz wrote: enjoy it (and my private life also). And to be fair, with total lost of interest in desktop systems in Illumos by core team, I have less and less

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Martin Bochnig
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Ian Johnson ian...@yahoo.co.jp wrote: snip Oracle seems to be taking good enough care of the Solaris desktop on its end. I'm sure it's a peripheral part of their overall effort, but somebody at Oracle is keeping hardware support up to par and fixing desktop

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On May 9, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: On Thu, 9 May 2013, Garrett D'Amore wrote: Upshot, *today* anyone who thinks there is a commercial future in illumos on the desktop is probably smoking something. There are a few people who would be willing

Re: [oi-dev] OI project reboot required

2013-05-09 Thread Nick Zivkovic
For what it's worth, I only need Xorg, xpdf and xterm to take care of my graphics needs. Everything that doesn't involve coding happens on linux, mac and winxp. As long as a distro can support Xorg, it is viable for me. So whatever you guys do, please don't remove the basic graphics capability!