Re: [legal] How to clarify, if usage of Boost C++ source libraries is allowed
On 9/28/2011 7:44 AM, Rob Weir wrote: ...snip... In particular, should be forcing the questions by proposing a categorization and seeking lazy consensus? For example, "If there are no objections within 3 days to treating the Boost Licence as Category A compatible, then we assume lazy consensus and go forward with that treatment" For legal issues - unless there is some truly overriding urgency to the matter - I would definitely use a much longer period for any legally-related lazy consensus question. Unlike code changes (which can be reversed) or releases (which can be replaced by a new one), some legal-related actions are not so easy to undo. Between that and the relative number of experienced legal volunteers (few) vs. technical ones (many), please use patience when dealing with legal questions. - Shane
Re: [legal] How to clarify, if usage of Boost C++ source libraries is allowed
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > Honestly, I see clear answers from legal-discuss for only a small > fraction of the questions that are submitted. I don't know if we're > misusing that list or what. But it does not appear to operate like a > list where you submit a questions and get a definitive answer in a > finite period of time, It's is a sign that demand exceeds capacity :-/ The last time we were this busy, the contributions of a small number of lawyers (at major tech companies) really made the difference. Looks like they've drifted away. If anyone knows a lawyer who might be interesting in contributing, then please ask them to join the list. I recommend noting the slow response from legal-discuss as an impediment in the next podling report (to let the board know). > Do Mentors have have an idea on whether we're approaching these > questions the right way? (I'm not a mentor but please forgive give me for jumping in) Apache is sometimes described as a do-ocracy. Submitting patches is the path to karma. > In particular, should be forcing the questions by proposing a > categorization and seeking lazy consensus? For example, "If there are > no objections within 3 days to treating the Boost Licence as Category > A compatible, then we assume lazy consensus and go forward with that > treatment" Dennis seems clueful :-) If he were to start proposing patches to complement his analysis, that would increase the probability that someone would apply them (by reducing the time required to implement the policy clarification). Robert
Re: [legal] How to clarify, if usage of Boost C++ source libraries is allowed
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: > Hi, > > on http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html it is said: > > Asking Questions > > Please submit questions to the Legal Affair Committee JIRA space. > > > Thus, I expect that people from the Legal Affair Committee will response. > Honestly, I see clear answers from legal-discuss for only a small fraction of the questions that are submitted. I don't know if we're misusing that list or what. But it does not appear to operate like a list where you submit a questions and get a definitive answer in a finite period of time, Do Mentors have have an idea on whether we're approaching these questions the right way? In particular, should be forcing the questions by proposing a categorization and seeking lazy consensus? For example, "If there are no objections within 3 days to treating the Boost Licence as Category A compatible, then we assume lazy consensus and go forward with that treatment" -Rob > > Best regards, Oliver. > > On 28.09.2011 04:13, Shao Zhi Zhao wrote: >> >> hi, >> >> who will response to the submitted JIRA issue? >> >> thanks >> >> mail:zhaos...@cn.ibm.com >> tel:54747 >> Address:2/F,Ring Bldg. No.28 Building, Zhong Guan Cun Software Park, >> No.8, Dong Bei Wang West Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, Beijing >> 100193, P.R.China >> >> Inactive hide details for Oliver-Rainer Wittmann ---2011-09-27 >> 21:29:33---Oliver-Rainer Wittmann >> Oliver-Rainer Wittmann ---2011-09-27 21:29:33---Oliver-Rainer Wittmann >> >> >> *Oliver-Rainer Wittmann * >> >> 2011-09-27 21:27 >> Please respond to >> ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >> >> >> >> To >> >> ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org, >> >> cc >> >> >> Subject >> >> Re: [legal] How to clarify, if usage of Boost C++ source libraries is >> allowed >> >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> here is the link to the submitted JIRA issue - >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-101 >> >> Best regards, Oliver. >> >> On 27.09.2011 14:59, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: >> > >> > >> > On 27.09.2011 14:16, Rob Weir wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann >> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >> >>> >> >>> I want to clarify, if we can still use the Boost C++ source libraries >> >>> in our >> >>> project. >> >>> It is licensed under the Boost Software License - Version 1.0, found >> at >> >>> http://www.boost.org/LICENSE_1_0.txt >> >>> >> >>> Boost is widely used in our source core. It is included in project >> >>> via the >> >>> "ext_sources" process. >> >>> >> >>> What is the right way at Apache to clarify, if such a 3rd party stuff >> >>> can be >> >>> used, if its license is not mentioned at >> >>> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html? >> >>> Should I submit a corresponding JIRA issue in JIRA project 'Legal >> >>> Discuss'? >> >>> >> >> >> >> If there is doubt, certainly send a note to legal-discuss asking them >> >> to classify the license. This particular case looks easy. It is not >> >> placing any restrictions other than including their notice. So we >> >> would need to add their notice to our NOTICE.txt. >> >> >> >> Rob >> >> >> > >> > Thank you, Rob. >> > >> > I agree that this case should be no problem. >> > But as its license is not mentioned on the above mentioned Apache >> > website, I will ask legal-discuss. >> > I have seen that JIRA mails from its JIRA project are mirrored to >> > mailing list legal-discuss. Thus, I will submit a corresponding JIRA >> issue. >> > >> > Best regards, Oliver. >> >
Re: [legal] How to clarify, if usage of Boost C++ source libraries is allowed
Hi, on http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html it is said: Asking Questions Please submit questions to the Legal Affair Committee JIRA space. Thus, I expect that people from the Legal Affair Committee will response. Best regards, Oliver. On 28.09.2011 04:13, Shao Zhi Zhao wrote: hi, who will response to the submitted JIRA issue? thanks mail:zhaos...@cn.ibm.com tel:54747 Address:2/F,Ring Bldg. No.28 Building, Zhong Guan Cun Software Park, No.8, Dong Bei Wang West Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, Beijing 100193, P.R.China Inactive hide details for Oliver-Rainer Wittmann ---2011-09-27 21:29:33---Oliver-Rainer Wittmann Oliver-Rainer Wittmann ---2011-09-27 21:29:33---Oliver-Rainer Wittmann *Oliver-Rainer Wittmann * 2011-09-27 21:27 Please respond to ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org To ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org, cc Subject Re: [legal] How to clarify, if usage of Boost C++ source libraries is allowed Hi, here is the link to the submitted JIRA issue - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-101 Best regards, Oliver. On 27.09.2011 14:59, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: > > > On 27.09.2011 14:16, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann >> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I want to clarify, if we can still use the Boost C++ source libraries >>> in our >>> project. >>> It is licensed under the Boost Software License - Version 1.0, found at >>> http://www.boost.org/LICENSE_1_0.txt >>> >>> Boost is widely used in our source core. It is included in project >>> via the >>> "ext_sources" process. >>> >>> What is the right way at Apache to clarify, if such a 3rd party stuff >>> can be >>> used, if its license is not mentioned at >>> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html? >>> Should I submit a corresponding JIRA issue in JIRA project 'Legal >>> Discuss'? >>> >> >> If there is doubt, certainly send a note to legal-discuss asking them >> to classify the license. This particular case looks easy. It is not >> placing any restrictions other than including their notice. So we >> would need to add their notice to our NOTICE.txt. >> >> Rob >> > > Thank you, Rob. > > I agree that this case should be no problem. > But as its license is not mentioned on the above mentioned Apache > website, I will ask legal-discuss. > I have seen that JIRA mails from its JIRA project are mirrored to > mailing list legal-discuss. Thus, I will submit a corresponding JIRA issue. > > Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [legal] How to clarify, if usage of Boost C++ source libraries is allowed
hi, who will response to the submitted JIRA issue? thanks mail:zhaos...@cn.ibm.com tel:54747 Address:2/F,Ring Bldg. No.28 Building, Zhong Guan Cun Software Park, No.8, Dong Bei Wang West Road, ShangDi, Haidian District, Beijing 100193, P.R.China Oliver-Rainer Wittmann ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org, cc 2011-09-27 21:27 Subject Re: [legal] How to clarify, if Please respond to usage of Boost C++ source libraries ooo-dev@incubator is allowed .apache.org Hi, here is the link to the submitted JIRA issue - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-101 Best regards, Oliver. On 27.09.2011 14:59, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: > > > On 27.09.2011 14:16, Rob Weir wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann >> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I want to clarify, if we can still use the Boost C++ source libraries >>> in our >>> project. >>> It is licensed under the Boost Software License - Version 1.0, found at >>> http://www.boost.org/LICENSE_1_0.txt >>> >>> Boost is widely used in our source core. It is included in project >>> via the >>> "ext_sources" process. >>> >>> What is the right way at Apache to clarify, if such a 3rd party stuff >>> can be >>> used, if its license is not mentioned at >>> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html? >>> Should I submit a corresponding JIRA issue in JIRA project 'Legal >>> Discuss'? >>> >> >> If there is doubt, certainly send a note to legal-discuss asking them >> to classify the license. This particular case looks easy. It is not >> placing any restrictions other than including their notice. So we >> would need to add their notice to our NOTICE.txt. >> >> Rob >> > > Thank you, Rob. > > I agree that this case should be no problem. > But as its license is not mentioned on the above mentioned Apache > website, I will ask legal-discuss. > I have seen that JIRA mails from its JIRA project are mirrored to > mailing list legal-discuss. Thus, I will submit a corresponding JIRA issue. > > Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [legal] How to clarify, if usage of Boost C++ source libraries is allowed
Hi, here is the link to the submitted JIRA issue - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-101 Best regards, Oliver. On 27.09.2011 14:59, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: On 27.09.2011 14:16, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, I want to clarify, if we can still use the Boost C++ source libraries in our project. It is licensed under the Boost Software License - Version 1.0, found at http://www.boost.org/LICENSE_1_0.txt Boost is widely used in our source core. It is included in project via the "ext_sources" process. What is the right way at Apache to clarify, if such a 3rd party stuff can be used, if its license is not mentioned at http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html? Should I submit a corresponding JIRA issue in JIRA project 'Legal Discuss'? If there is doubt, certainly send a note to legal-discuss asking them to classify the license. This particular case looks easy. It is not placing any restrictions other than including their notice. So we would need to add their notice to our NOTICE.txt. Rob Thank you, Rob. I agree that this case should be no problem. But as its license is not mentioned on the above mentioned Apache website, I will ask legal-discuss. I have seen that JIRA mails from its JIRA project are mirrored to mailing list legal-discuss. Thus, I will submit a corresponding JIRA issue. Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [legal] How to clarify, if usage of Boost C++ source libraries is allowed
On 27.09.2011 14:16, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, I want to clarify, if we can still use the Boost C++ source libraries in our project. It is licensed under the Boost Software License - Version 1.0, found at http://www.boost.org/LICENSE_1_0.txt Boost is widely used in our source core. It is included in project via the "ext_sources" process. What is the right way at Apache to clarify, if such a 3rd party stuff can be used, if its license is not mentioned at http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html? Should I submit a corresponding JIRA issue in JIRA project 'Legal Discuss'? If there is doubt, certainly send a note to legal-discuss asking them to classify the license. This particular case looks easy. It is not placing any restrictions other than including their notice. So we would need to add their notice to our NOTICE.txt. Rob Thank you, Rob. I agree that this case should be no problem. But as its license is not mentioned on the above mentioned Apache website, I will ask legal-discuss. I have seen that JIRA mails from its JIRA project are mirrored to mailing list legal-discuss. Thus, I will submit a corresponding JIRA issue. Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [legal] How to clarify, if usage of Boost C++ source libraries is allowed
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: > Hi, > > I want to clarify, if we can still use the Boost C++ source libraries in our > project. > It is licensed under the Boost Software License - Version 1.0, found at > http://www.boost.org/LICENSE_1_0.txt > > Boost is widely used in our source core. It is included in project via the > "ext_sources" process. > > What is the right way at Apache to clarify, if such a 3rd party stuff can be > used, if its license is not mentioned at > http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html? > Should I submit a corresponding JIRA issue in JIRA project 'Legal Discuss'? > If there is doubt, certainly send a note to legal-discuss asking them to classify the license. This particular case looks easy. It is not placing any restrictions other than including their notice. So we would need to add their notice to our NOTICE.txt. Rob > > Thanks in advance for your help, > Oliver > >
[legal] How to clarify, if usage of Boost C++ source libraries is allowed
Hi, I want to clarify, if we can still use the Boost C++ source libraries in our project. It is licensed under the Boost Software License - Version 1.0, found at http://www.boost.org/LICENSE_1_0.txt Boost is widely used in our source core. It is included in project via the "ext_sources" process. What is the right way at Apache to clarify, if such a 3rd party stuff can be used, if its license is not mentioned at http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html? Should I submit a corresponding JIRA issue in JIRA project 'Legal Discuss'? Thanks in advance for your help, Oliver
