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Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Homebound?
I understand about privacy, but isn't homebound different. Since they cant get to the computers or request the books, we have to have some way to keep track, and we select the books for them. Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Hardy, Elaine [eha...@georgialibraries.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:16 AM To: 'Evergreen Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Homebound? PINES libraries purposefully did not want a history of the items a specific patron has checked out retained as a means to protect the privacy of their library records. Elaine J. Elaine Hardy PINES Bibliographic Projects and Metadata Manager Georgia Public Library Service, A Unit of the University System of Georgia 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 Atlanta, Ga. 30345-4304 404.235-7128 404.235-7201, fax eha...@georgialibraries.org www.georgialibraries.org http://www.georgialibraries.org/pines/ -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Garry Collum Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:16 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Homebound? but also containing a history of the items a patron has read
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Homebound?
I completely agree, we have a pop up now that tells us what item we have given our homebound patrons, with lists of their likes and dislikes, etc. Not having this is a big draw back, we are looking at Evergreen as a potential new ILS within the next year or so and this is something I would definately want the system to be able to do. Tell us if patron has already checked out the item. When you have a lot of patrons using this system, andyou are taking 5-10 books a month, you loose track. Please consider this as an option for Evergreen. Thank you Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Garry Collum [gcol...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 6:16 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Homebound? I see Homebound, not only containing wish lists and longer circulation times, but also containing a history of the items a patron has read, notes containing the type of materials a patron likes to read (Mystery, Romance, etc), notes for special needs (Large type, audio), preferred delivery days and times, and the possibility to create best routes for the delivery drivers. On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Jason Etheridge ja...@esilibrary.com wrote: On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Rick Scott r...@shadowspar.dyndns.org wrote: (Janet Snowhill:) I forgot to ask anyone, at the conference, whether Evergreen has a homebound function, and if so, how it works. Can anyone address that, for me? Unfortunately, at this point there is not. I know that this is something North Bay Public was interested in, and one of my colleagues took a stab at getting something implemented during the conference, but I'm not sure that he got very far with it. I'd be interested in knowing what a homebound module means to different folks. My impression is that it's like a Netflix queue, and maybe with a recommendation service and/or something like standing orders in acquisitions where you might say give me anything by this author when it comes in? -- Jason Etheridge | VP, Tactical Development | Equinox Software, Inc. / Your Library's Guide to Open Source | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Inventory
Thank you Aaron. I was looking for scan in inventory, if anyone has done that, but this is a helpful suggestion as well. Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Z [aar...@pls-net.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 11:44 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Inventory It depends on how you define inventory. I have done a list of what should be on the shelves for a library (shelving location, title, call number and barcode) and they manually verified that what was on the shelf matched the list, but we have not done a scan in every barcode to see what is on the shelves inventory Aaron Z Jr. Systems Administrator Pioneer Library System 2557 State Rt. 21 Canandaigua, New York 14424 Phone: (585) 394-8260 - Georgette Rogers grog...@libertylakewa.gov wrote: From: Georgette Rogers grog...@libertylakewa.gov To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 3:18:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Inventory I am on a fact finding mission, so if anyone can tell me, have you taken an inventory since you migrated to Evergreen, how did you do it, were there problems, and are there reports to finalize it all and make sure everything scanned etc.? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Inventory
Hi Jeremy, Thank you for the information, this is most helpful! Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Buhler [jeremy.buh...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:14 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Inventory Hi Georgette, Several Sitka libraries have done inventory by scanning books on the shelves into a laptop w/ the Evergreen client, then running reports to identify missing items. For details see past discussion on this list at http://markmail.org/message/2yxyv4kwtdxb7h4s Jeremy -- Jeremy Buhler Trainer/Help Desk Specialist Sitka Evergreen Implementation On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Georgette Rogers grog...@libertylakewa.govmailto:grog...@libertylakewa.gov wrote: Thank you Aaron. I was looking for scan in inventory, if anyone has done that, but this is a helpful suggestion as well. Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Z [aar...@pls-net.orgmailto:aar...@pls-net.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 11:44 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Inventory It depends on how you define inventory. I have done a list of what should be on the shelves for a library (shelving location, title, call number and barcode) and they manually verified that what was on the shelf matched the list, but we have not done a scan in every barcode to see what is on the shelves inventory Aaron Z Jr. Systems Administrator Pioneer Library System 2557 State Rt. 21 Canandaigua, New York 14424 Phone: (585) 394-8260 - Georgette Rogers grog...@libertylakewa.govmailto:grog...@libertylakewa.gov wrote: From: Georgette Rogers grog...@libertylakewa.govmailto:grog...@libertylakewa.gov To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 3:18:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Inventory I am on a fact finding mission, so if anyone can tell me, have you taken an inventory since you migrated to Evergreen, how did you do it, were there problems, and are there reports to finalize it all and make sure everything scanned etc.? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Inventory
I am on a fact finding mission, so if anyone can tell me, have you taken an inventory since you migrated to Evergreen, how did you do it, were there problems, and are there reports to finalize it all and make sure everything scanned etc.? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Question
Thank you so much, Pam, This helps to show our powers that be, that a small library should be able to migrate without problems. I appreciate the information. Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Pam Smith [pamela.sm...@thehowe.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 11:12 AM To: 'Evergreen Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Question Hi Georgette: We are also a small library (we do have one very small branch), we migrated to Evergreen from Innovative this past summer. Evergreen is a flexible system that can accommodate both small libraries and large consortia. Our staff quickly adapted to our new system (we had been with III for 15 years) and we haven’t had a moment’s regret. Pam [cid:image001.gif@01CBB7E1.47E8E100]Pamela Soren Smith Technical Services/Systems Librarian Howe Library 13 South St. Hanover, NH 03755 603.643.4120 x3257 http://howelibrary.org [cid:image003.jpg@01CBB7E2.F43929F0] http://www.facebook.com/pages/edit/?id=157632934169#!/pages/Hanover-NH/Howe-Library/157632934169 [cid:image005.jpg@01CBB7E2.F43929F0] http://twitter.com/howelibrary From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Georgette Rogers Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 1:57 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Question Hell all We are a small, stand alone library who is looking at Evergreen as a possible new ILS. As I am watching the list serve and looking at a variety of things associated with Evergreen, I wonder is it adaptable to small libraries like us. I notice most libraries that use Evergreen, are consortiums, or college libraries that may have one or more branch. Can this be easily set up for a small library that is a one branch operation/ Thank you Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 inline: image001.gifinline: image003.jpginline: image005.jpg
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] 2010 library automation survey
We don't have Evergreen yet, we are doing a lot of research and creating a time line. But it would be nice to see the results, as that would help us in our questions and concerns. Thank you Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Brad LaJeunesse [b...@esilibrary.com] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:11 AM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] 2010 library automation survey Hi folks, Please consider taking a few minutes of time to participate in the 2010 library automation survey. It's extremely important that the Evergreen community is well-represented in this survey. The survey is located on Marshall's website: http://librarytechnology.org/ Thank you, Happy Holidays everyone. -- Brad LaJeunesse, MLIS | CEO | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: b...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] 2010 library automation survey
Thank you Rogan, I will take the survey. Appreciate your hlep. Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby [rha...@florencelibrary.org] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:49 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] 2010 library automation survey The survey isn't for Evergreen installations but all ILSes. If you're on something else and researching Evergreen that would be reflected in your responses. Rogan -Original Message- From: Georgette Rogers grog...@libertylakewa.gov To: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils- gene...@list.georgialibraries.org Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 09:15:28 -0800 Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] 2010 library automation survey We don't have Evergreen yet, we are doing a lot of research and creating a time line. But it would be nice to see the results, as that would help us in our questions and concerns. Thank you Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Brad LaJeunesse [b...@esilibrary.com] Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:11 AM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] 2010 library automation survey Hi folks, Please consider taking a few minutes of time to participate in the 2010 library automation survey. It's extremely important that the Evergreen community is well-represented in this survey. The survey is located on Marshall's website: http://librarytechnology.org/ Thank you, Happy Holidays everyone. -- Brad LaJeunesse, MLIS | CEO | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: b...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Question
That is great news Jeremy, thank you and thank you for the link. Have a wonderful day Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Buhler [jeremy.buh...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:37 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Question Hi Georgette, The short answer is yes. There are several customizable limits including number of items out, number of overdue items, and total fine amount. More details are available in the draft manual for Evergreen 1.6 at http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/1.6/draft/html/lsa-group-penalty.html Jeremy -- Jeremy Buhler Trainer/Help Desk Specialist Sitka Evergreen Implementation On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Georgette Rogers grog...@libertylakewa.govmailto:grog...@libertylakewa.gov wrote: Hello I am doing some research about Evergreen to present to the heads of the city about possibly joining the Evergreen Community. As Circulation Supervisor, I would like to know please, if a patron has reached their maximum fee, will Evergreen automatically block thier card and the cards associated with them? Thank you, Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Non cataloged
Does anyone have items that are not cataloged, such as donated paperbacks, and if so , how does Evergreen work with setting parameters or handling the checkout for statistics? Thank you Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Non cataloged
Thank you so much Jason, I appreciate the information, this is great! Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Jason Etheridge [ja...@esilibrary.com] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 11:59 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Non cataloged On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Deanna Frazee dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us wrote: On our checkout screen, we have a drop-down menu with 3 options. One is for regular barcodes, one is for pre-cat items and one is for paperbacks. The paperback option is for non-cataloged paperbacks that we just want to keep stats on. The system records the checkouts, but does not actually put the items on the record. At least, I’m pretty sure that is what is happening. To elaborate a little, non-cats in EG are not barcoded, and you're able to configure a list of descriptive labels (and loan periods) for however many non-cataloged categories you need, even per-library if desired. These items show up on checkout receipts with a due date and even show up on the patron's account for a while, but once their due dates hit, they fade away. There's no mechanism for registering returns of such material. You''re able to gather statistics on non-cataloged circulations via reporting. Pre-cats are barcoded, but not cataloged (not even with a brief bib record). Temporary title and author information may be stored directly on the item record until such time as it is transferred to a bib record. If a given pre-cat has circulated several times before being cataloged, the bib record it ultimately ends up on will get credit for those circulations. -- Jason Etheridge | VP, Tactical Development | Equinox Software, Inc. / Your Library's Guide to Open Source | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: ja...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Details of fiscal sponsorship agreement for Evergreen Conservancy
For whatever reason, I cannot get this to open, could you resent it in another format? Thank you Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Dan Scott [...@coffeecode.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:43 AM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Cc: Bradley M. Kuhn; evergreen-governa...@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Details of fiscal sponsorship agreement for Evergreen Conservancy Following on my Nov. 10th email and the general agreement indicated both on the mailing lists and at the last Evergreen Govenernance meeting, I have attached LaTex and PDF versions of an updated fiscal sponsorship agreement between Evergreen and the Conservancy that I would like to propose we forward to Bradley Kuhn of the Software Freedom Conservancy. Bradley gave us a walkthrough of the sections of the document in his email to the project (http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-general/2010-October/003540.html), so I'll highlight the changes that I've made to the document: 1. In general, change the references to the Developer[s] to the Interim Oversight Board and include the list of all members of the Interim Governance Committee as taken from one of the most recent drafts of the proposed rules of governance for the Evergreen Software Foundation. Bradley had suggested that we should have all members of the Interim Governance Committee sign the sponsorship agreement with the Software Freedom Conservancy, so I have also included spots for each name for signing the document at the end of the agreement. 2. Fees: I _believe_ we discussed this at the last Governance Committee meeting, but don't see it in the minutes - did we agree to directing 10% of project revenues to the Conservancy for the purposes of offsetting their overhead (banking, bookkeeping, reporting, etc)? There had been suggestions that Georgia and Michigan were willing to contribute the proceeds from their respective conferences to the Conservancy, but as we don't expect to be rolling in revenue for the foreseeable future, I think we had agreed to the standard (for umbrella organizations) 10% fee structure, which would leave 90% of the conference proceeds to be directed (if necessary) towards some greater good of the project. I also seem to recall that we would revisit the percentage after some period of time - certainly after we finalize and adopt our official rules of governance. 3. Representation of the Project to the Conservancy: At the last Governance Committee meeting, we agreed to have Elizabeth McKinney, Galen Charlton, and Dan Scott represent the Evergreen project to the Conservancy (that is, have the power to direct project funds to be used in some way). We also agreed that these representatives would consult with the Governance Committee. I've written that two of the three representatives need to consent to a particular direction to the Conservancy (giving us the ability to avoid paralysis in the short term if one of the representatives is incapacitated for some reason; presumably this section would be rewritten to change the representatives' names in the longer term in that scenario). **QUESTION**: There have been some members of the Interim Governance Committee that have been inactive in the Governance process. Do we want to pare the list down? **ACTION**: The agreement calls for a primary mailing address for the Evergreen project. Suggestions? Georgia PINES?
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Details of fiscal sponsorship agreement for Evergreen Conservancy
That worked, thank you very much Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Dan Scott [...@coffeecode.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 1:45 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Cc: evergreen-governanc...@list.georgialibraries.org; Bradley M. Kuhn Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Details of fiscal sponsorship agreement for Evergreen Conservancy On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 01:34:40PM -0800, Georgette Rogers wrote: For whatever reason, I cannot get this to open, could you resent it in another format? Hi Georgette: If your email client didn't like how the PDF was attached to my message, perhaps you'll have more luck with the draft sponsorship agreement in PDF format at http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=governance:structure See the first link under the heading Conservancy application called: 'Draft: Sponsorship agreement as of 2010-12-07 - for comment' Dan
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Pelham Public Library is live on Evergreen
Congrats!! Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Jo-Anne Teeuwsen [jteeuw...@pelhamlibrary.on.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:09 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Pelham Public Library is live on Evergreen Pelham Public Library (part of the Niagara Evergreen Consortium) successfully went live this morning. Thanks to Equinox, Alpha-G, Backstage and library colleagues who also use Evergreen for all of your help! -- Jo-Anne Teeuwsen Technical Services Manager Pelham Public Library Fonthill, ON L2N 6M4 905-892-6443
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Toward a new Bibliographic-Item Model
I'm curious if this is an issue within one library. We are a single branch library, 9,000 square feet library, so would the same type of problems occur? Thanks Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Lussier [kluss...@masslnc.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:28 AM To: 'Evergreen Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Toward a new Bibliographic-Item Model Hi Dan, Thanks for starting this discussion. The three Massachusetts networks that will be moving to Evergreen have had several discussions about volumes or, to avoid confusion with the Evergreen call number/volume field, what you referred to as item-parts. We are particularly interested in how holds can be placed on these parts, although I can see where there would be other advantages to more accurately identifying those pieces. It seems like tying the volume to the call number makes it difficult to place holds on these parts. I could probably best describe what we would like to see via a scenario. 1. Library A adds the 11-disc Planet Earth DVD set to its collection. This library plans to circulate the set in its entirety to patrons and only adds one item to the MARC record for this title. 2. At this point, the public catalog only offers the option for title-level holds to users because individual item-parts are not yet being circulated for this set. 3. Library B adds individual parts to this MARC record with the call number of 333.95. 4. At this point, the public catalog offers the option for holds on a specific part. 5. Library C adds individual parts to this MARC record with the call number of PLA. 6. Library D adds individual parts to this MARC record with the call number of QE31 .P58. 7. A patron places a hold on volume 3 of this DVD set. Although the call numbers are different, the system is able to target volume 3 from Library B, C or D. As you mentioned in one of your previous e-mails, I think it's also important that there are no additional steps added to the workflow in the 95% of cases where a work does not contain item-pieces. Our group is definitely interested in working towards a different model. - Kathy Lussier Project Coordinator Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative (508) 756-0172 (508) 755-3721 (fax) kluss...@masslnc.org IM: kmlussier (AOL Yahoo) Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Dan Wells Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:42 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Toward a new Bibliographic-Item Model Hello all, Discussions surrounding the best way to model serials have served to highlight some clear weaknesses in the traditional Record-Call Number-Copy arrangement. This arrangement is time-tested, so it would have been foolishly brave to abandon it too soon. Still, perhaps it is time to reconsider our model from the ground up. What I am about to propose is not fully thought out, and may be unreasonable in reality, but it could at least be the start of moving toward something better, a long-term solution. It will deal with only the last two layers of the FRBR model, but could be expanded 'upward' to more abstract levels. As it stands, bibliographic records in use today are generally at the manifestation level, so it makes the most sense to start there. First, bibliographic records are, by design, singular. They fully represent a manifestation of a given expression of a given work. The manifestations themselves, however, can have one or more parts. This is one missing link in the current chain. We can partially address it at the call number level, but that is ultimately overloading the meaning of call number and is a workaround we should address. Instead, we might introduce a new concept to the model. For lack of a better term, we will call it a manifestation-part. Next we have the instance layer, called the item layer in FRBR. Because we have added manifestation-parts, we also must add a concept of item-parts. This in turn implies that item is not a direct representation of a single physical object, but a concept which can be split or combined as reality dictates. To accommodate this fact, we might introduce an extra-item layer which can contain one or more item-parts. For now, at least, we will call this entity a unit. What do we gain by this new abstraction? Well, I hope a more accurate representation of reality. Bibliographic records map one-to-one with a manifestation's contents, not its
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] release with media booking module?
Could someone explain the media booking module? What exactly is it? Thanks Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby [rha...@florencelibrary.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:21 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] release with media booking module? Gordana, Booking is in 1.6.1 I think if I'm remember the version number correctly and if that's what you're referring to. That's the next planned release which is around the corner, perhaps even very soon. Someone who watches the development list more closely than I do probably knows more though. Rogan -Original Message- From: Gordana Vitez gvi...@niagaracollege.ca To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:47:22 -0400 Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] release with media booking module? Hello, Does anyone know when we can expect to see a release with the media booking module included? Thanks! Gordana Gordana Vitez Library Services Systems Coordinator Niagara College Libraries Welland Campus 300 Woodlawn Rd Welland Ontario L3C 7L3 Phone: (905) 735 2211 ext 7404 Fax: (905) 736 6021 gvi...@niagaracollege.ca
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: generic training server with predictable data
I like this idea. We are still doing research, so if there was a demo we coudl practice on that would be greatly helpful in convincing the staff and the city this is the way to go. We would also be prepared for installation and for training. Great idea Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Lori Bowen Ayre [lori.a...@galecia.com] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 5:51 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] generic training server with predictable data Oh. Like that suggestion. No reason we couldn't keep the same data set on an available training server AND on as part of the Evergreen source. Lori On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Dan Scott d...@coffeecode.netmailto:d...@coffeecode.net wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 17:09 -0700, Lori Bowen Ayre wrote: Hi All, I posted info about this idea and got a big 'ol nothing in response so I wanted to try one more time to verify that it really is of no interest to anyone. It is of interest, I just have a slight variation on your suggestion which really hearkens back to a suggestion I pitched many moons ago. (I think the first time might have been http://markmail.org/message/dbwre7cqhmmnnlrv but I know I've discussed it in several other forums since then...) Here's the ideaas one of the RSCEL projects, were thinking of setting up a training server which would have a current version of Evergreen loaded, would be accessible to anyone (much like the demo servers) but we'd make sure we kept it totally current with one matching client software download. We'd also keep data in there that you could rely on being there for training (so we'd have to refresh it on some regular basis). Eventually, we'd contribute some exercises that people could use in their training which would use that training server and data. The idea is that you would then not have to worry about how to train your people on your own Evergreen server at the same time you were trying to get ready to go live. Also, by sharing the same data and server set-up, we could all contribute training exercises. So, if you think this would be useful or you think it would be a waste of time...please advise. Friendly amendments are also encouraged. We want to do something that helps people so if this wouldn't help anyone, we RSCELs will focus our attention somewhere else! Rather than having this data sitting just on a training server RSCEL, I think it would be much more useful to have the sample data sets available as part of the Evergreen source. This would enable every Evergreen install to (optionally) have a reference set of data to work with locally. We could build documentation / training based on those sample sets of data, but also build tests on those sample sets of data to ensure that the SQL schema hasn't been broken the data can actually load, a given server is working as expected, and that a given report returns the expected results, and that a given API call generates the expected effects. This could also be a useful basis on which to build tests of the migration scripts. I do think that having an up-to-date training server always at the ready would be a valuable thing and support that goal; I just think that it's potentially more important to have a canonical set of sample data available as part of the Evergreen source.
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: Costs
Thank you so much Cynthia, I will use this and take all the information to those who have the authority to make the decisions. I am the fact gatherer. Smiles, Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Cynthia Williamson [crwbookg...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:23 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Costs Hi Georgette - Like Deanna said, cost is different for everyone. We spent @ $7500CAD on our server, 2 full-time people worked on getting things up and going for the better part of a year - that allowed us to keep up other parts of our jobs. We went live well before our support contract with our former ILS vendor expired - that allowed us to do a very soft launch and do lots of troubleshooting/tweaking and some more staff training. We did contract with Equinox for some programming (booking module @ $8000USD) but did not spend any money on training or migration. The EG community has been a big help, I can't really say that we did it on our own. I've attached a list that I've shared with some other folks that gives some details of our process, please use it/share it as needed. Cheers, Cynthia Mohawk College, Hamilton, ON On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Georgette Rogers grog...@libertylakewa.govmailto:grog...@libertylakewa.gov wrote: Thank you so much for the reply. I am not authorized to send out an RFP, but I will pass the information to my director and she will take it from there. I really appreciate all the information that has been coming to me from the list serve. I will probably have more questons. Thanks again Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Deanna Frazee [dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.usmailto:dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 7:07 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: Costs There really isn't a set cost. We bought a server, paid Alpha-G for migration services and have self-trained. But it has not been a simple process. There have been numerous delays as I dealt with issues that left us too short-staffed to cope with a migration at times and as we have worked with Alpha-G to get things right so that we can go live with as few interruptions to service for our patrons as possible on the go-live day (next Monday). There has been some training out there for Evergreen, but much of what you will need to do is look at the manuals that other libraries have created in-house. From there, you may have to just experiment with it to see how it works. Since this is not an out-of-the-box solution, the price will be unique to your situation. Your best bet is to send out an RFP with the details you mentioned below as well as infornation on your current ILS. Evergreen offers a lot of flexibility, but it is for those intrepid enough to take on an ILS without formal documentation and without the sort of full-time training staff that you often get with an established proprietary system. These things will come with time, but they aren't here now. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System Killeen, TX dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.usmailto:dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org on behalf of Georgette Rogers Sent: Mon 6/14/2010 5:39 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Costs Could anyone tell me the cost for implementation, self hosting, maitence and training for the Evergreen system. We are a 9,000 square foot library, we have 28,000 items and about 5,000 patrons. Thank you Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 -- “Many a man stumbles across the truth, then picks himself up and hurries on as though nothing had happened.” Winston Churchill
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** RE: Costs
Thank you Sally, I appreciate it and will look for at it. Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Sally Fortin [sfor...@esilibrary.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:40 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: Costs Hi Georgette, You may also find valuable information on getting started with Evergreen in the presentations that were offered at the 2010 Evergreen Conference. You can find these at: http://www.open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=eg10#presentation_slides Best, Sally Georgette Rogers wrote: Thank you so much Cynthia, I will use this and take all the information to those who have the authority to make the decisions. I am the fact gatherer. Smiles, Georgette /Georgette Rogers/ /Circulation Supervisor/ /Liberty Lake Municipal Library/ /23123 E Mission Ave/ /Liberty Lake, WA 99019/ /509-435-0778/ /1-866-729-8507/ *From:* open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Cynthia Williamson [crwbookg...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:23 AM *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Costs Hi Georgette - Like Deanna said, cost is different for everyone. We spent @ $7500CAD on our server, 2 full-time people worked on getting things up and going for the better part of a year - that allowed us to keep up other parts of our jobs. We went live well before our support contract with our former ILS vendor expired - that allowed us to do a very soft launch and do lots of troubleshooting/tweaking and some more staff training. We did contract with Equinox for some programming (booking module @ $8000USD) but did not spend any money on training or migration. The EG community has been a big help, I can't really say that we did it on our own. I've attached a list that I've shared with some other folks that gives some details of our process, please use it/share it as needed. Cheers, Cynthia Mohawk College, Hamilton, ON On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Georgette Rogers grog...@libertylakewa.gov mailto:grog...@libertylakewa.gov wrote: Thank you so much for the reply. I am not authorized to send out an RFP, but I will pass the information to my director and she will take it from there. I really appreciate all the information that has been coming to me from the list serve. I will probably have more questons. Thanks again Georgette /Georgette Rogers/ /Circulation Supervisor/ /Liberty Lake Municipal Library/ /23123 E Mission Ave/ /Liberty Lake, WA 99019/ /509-435-0778/ /1-866-729-8507/ *From:* open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Deanna Frazee [dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us mailto:dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us] *Sent:* Monday, June 14, 2010 7:07 PM *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group *Subject:* [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: Costs There really isn't a set cost. We bought a server, paid Alpha-G for migration services and have self-trained. But it has not been a simple process. There have been numerous delays as I dealt with issues that left us too short-staffed to cope with a migration at times and as we have worked with Alpha-G to get things right so that we can go live with as few interruptions to service for our patrons as possible on the go-live day (next Monday). There has been some training out there for Evergreen, but much of what you will need to do is look at the manuals that other libraries have created in-house. From there, you may have to just experiment with it to see how it works. Since this is not an out-of-the-box solution, the price will be unique to your situation. Your best bet is to send out an RFP with the details you mentioned below as well as infornation on your current ILS. Evergreen offers a lot of flexibility, but it is for those intrepid enough to take on an ILS without formal documentation and without the sort of full-time training staff that you often get with an established proprietary system. These things will come with time, but they aren't here now. Deanna Frazee Killeen City Library System Killeen, TX dfra...@ci.killeen.tx.us mailto:dfra
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto-marking overdue item feature
Very helpful George Thanks Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of George Tuttle [gtut...@prlib.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 11:12 AM To: 'Evergreen Discussion Group' Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Auto-marking overdue item feature What I found out about the auto-marking overdue item feature: 1) Auto-marking items as lost after specific overdue period is an administrator feature in Evergreen 1.6 2) This feature will also be included in Evergreen 2.0 3) It has been successfully deployed by Evergreen Indiana. 4) My flowchart of the process: http://prlib.org/Blog/OverdueToLost2.JPG (Contact me if it doesn't seem quite right). How customizable is it? The key variable is the number of overdue days. How customizable should it be? As a general rule, simple is better. Though you want your ILS to support your library's policy, you also have to appreciate that detrimental effect of making software overly complex or deviating drastically from the basic software. Questions? Thoughts? Corrections? George Tuttle (http://www.prlib.org/) Piedmont Regional Library System
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** RE: Now Accepting Proposals to Host the 2012 Evergreen Conference
Thank you very much! Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan Hamby [rha...@florencelibrary.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 1:04 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: Now Accepting Proposals to Host the2012Evergreen Conference Austin, TX if I recall correctly. -Original Message- From: Georgette Rogers grog...@libertylakewa.gov To: Evergreen Discussion Group open-ils- gene...@list.georgialibraries.org Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:59:47 -0700 Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: Now Accepting Proposals to Host the 2012Evergreen Conference When and Where is EG 2011?? Thanks Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Cynthia Williamson [crwbookg...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 12:20 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Now Accepting Proposals to Host the 2012 Evergreen Conference Hello Evergreen Community. The EG 2012 Conference Site Selection Committee is now accepting proposals to host the EG 2012 Conference. Do you want to: * Show off your city? * Showcase your library? * Demonstrate your Evergreen love, knowledge and committment and help spread that love, knowledge and committment? If your answers are yes, yes, yes then please respond to our request for proposals. The details and fine print follow. Send your responses to eg-si...@open-ils.orgmailto:egs...@open-ils.org by FRIDAY, JULY 30th, 2010 11:59pm EST. The committee will annouce their decision the week of September 1st. Site Nomination Process for the Evergreen International Conference Established by members of the 2010 Site Nomination Committee, updated by the 2012 committee 1. The Conference The Evergreen International Conference takes place annually, usually during the month of April. Expected attendance is between 150 and 225 attendees, representing Evergreen users, advocates, vendors, and others interested in Evergreen or open source. A varied program is offered, attempting to cover many aspects of Evergreen and appeal to developers, system administrators, managers, and front-end staff. An attempt will be made to hold the conference in different regions of the United States to enable the wide-spread Evergreen community a chance to attend. Nominations from outside of the United States are not prohibited but the location should appeal to a wide number of Evergreen users and supporters. Past Conference Websites: EG 2009http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=eg09:main EG 2010http://www.evergreen2010.org/ Hosting a conference Hosting a conference can be fun and very rewarding, but is also a lot of hard work. There are a number of crucial time-sensitive tasks, such as setting the conference dates and securing a venue, sponsorship recruitment, selecting speakers, and reviewing programs, and the final 90 days prior to the conference will be very busy for the site committee. A conference is also a fiscal commitment that involves building and staying within a very tight budget that allows registration costs to stay reasonable while providing an excellent conference experience for attendees, vendors, and other participants. The call to host a conference goes out approximately 2 years in advance, just after a conference has occurred. The criteria and information (outlined below) are requested of all nominations and can be submitted in Word, Open Office, or any other human-readable format. 2. The Proposal (NB: Please be as imaginative as you like in your proposal, the site selection committee is willing to consider variations on the following requirements as long as reasons for variations are made clear in your proposal) Contact Information Required from all Potential Host Sites: * Name, organization, phone, and email of contact people * Name(s) of primary contact(s) for Site Committee. These are the people who will take the lead in organizing the conference. * Prior experience with hosting conferences Requirements to be addressed in all Proposals These should be outlined in as much detail as possible; including contact information for conference centers and hotels etc. to allow the Site Committee to investigate and confirm information provided. Proposals should include all likely sites. * A conference facility with an auditorium or similar space suitable for 150-250 persons
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: Network errors when attempting z39.50 imports
Can records be imported from OCLC? That is where we retrieve our records now. Thank you Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Duimovich, George [george.duimov...@nrcan-rncan.gc.ca] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:01 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Network errors when attempting z39.50 imports Hello Raymond, The previously attached txt file included instructions for using the Yaz client to test the Z server show output from your Z39.50 target(s). The Yaz client is stand-alone and doesn't by itself import records into Evergreen. Its main use for most of us is to test connections to z servers so you can rule out some other Z39.50 client (like Evergreen) from the troubleshooting equation. To import records, you'll have to ensure you have your targets configured in Evergreen (config.z3950_source config.z3950_attr tables). There's an interface for the former (Server Administration Z39.50 Servers) and the interface for the latter is forthcoming (but easy enough to enter / insert into that *_attr table). Once your target(s) are entered, then use Cataloging Import Records from Z39.50. More details here: http://www.in.gov/library/files/Cataloging_Training_Manual_Chapter12.pdf Hope that helps.. George -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: June 14, 2010 11:32 To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Network errors when attempting z39.50 imports Thank you. I am able to do a basic search now and need to do a test record import into our new system. I am not seeing the command to do this in the text file. What would the syntax be to import the following record from my search at library.usc.edu? 650 0 $a Holocaust, Jewish (1933-1945) $z Germany. On 6/11/2010 2:05 PM, Duimovich, George wrote: Hello Raymond, Please see attached .txt file for sample session in Yaz. Once you have the Yaz client installed, you work off of command line interface. In windows, Yaz opens up a command prompt like window with a Z prompt. It's a very useful tool to troubleshoot what you're getting from a Z39.50 server -- in our case, it came in very useful recently to determine that the output format from one of our Z39.50 targets was sending us some bad data (in turn helping us determine what needed to be fixed was not in Evergreen but in an external system, etc.) Good luck! George George Duimovich NRCan Library / Bibliothèque de RNCan -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: June 11, 2010 14:47 To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Network errors when attempting z39.50 imports I cleared the logs, and only get this one error when attempting to import a record from LOC: grep ERR /openils/var/log/*.log /openils/var/log/osrfsys.log:open-ils.cstore 2010-06-11 13:41:41 [ERR :3228:oils_cstore.c:5045:127628152433102] open-ils.cstore ERROR No datatype attribute for field tcn_value No other errors pop up until the import is attempted. I have zero experience with the yaz-client. Would you have know what the command would be to import a a test record via yaz? On 6/11/2010 10:53 AM, Jason Etheridge wrote: On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Raymond Nortonad...@lctn.org wrote: As a test, I logged into an evergreen demo system and imported a record from LOC. Minutes later, I attempted to import the same record into my system, but no go. I'd still be tempted to use yaz-client from your server to see if there a connection problem (firewall, etc.) between your server and their Z39.50 server. Wow, didn't realize there would be so many logs. Which one should I be tailing to troubleshoot this? I'd grep all of them like so: grep \\[ERR /openils/var/log/* Anything that matches is bad and noteworthy. Generally osrfsys.log is a good one to be following.
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** RE: Network errors when attempting z39.50 imports
Thank you Branond, Appreciate it very much Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: Brandon W. Uhlman [bran...@branflakes.net] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:55 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group; Georgette Rogers Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: Network errors when attempting z39.50 imports Hi, Georgette. The short answer to your question is yes. If I recall correctly, OCLC is one of the default Z39.50 targets that ships with an out-of-the-box installation of Evergreen. We don't use it here in British Columbia, but I'm pretty sure it's where Georgia PINES gets their records. Brandon Quoting Georgette Rogers grog...@libertylakewa.gov: Can records be imported from OCLC? That is where we retrieve our records now. Thank you Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Duimovich, George [george.duimov...@nrcan-rncan.gc.ca] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:01 AM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Network errors when attempting z39.50 imports Hello Raymond, The previously attached txt file included instructions for using the Yaz client to test the Z server show output from your Z39.50 target(s). The Yaz client is stand-alone and doesn't by itself import records into Evergreen. Its main use for most of us is to test connections to z servers so you can rule out some other Z39.50 client (like Evergreen) from the troubleshooting equation. To import records, you'll have to ensure you have your targets configured in Evergreen (config.z3950_source config.z3950_attr tables). There's an interface for the former (Server Administration Z39.50 Servers) and the interface for the latter is forthcoming (but easy enough to enter / insert into that *_attr table). Once your target(s) are entered, then use Cataloging Import Records from Z39.50. More details here: http://www.in.gov/library/files/Cataloging_Training_Manual_Chapter12.pdf Hope that helps.. George -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: June 14, 2010 11:32 To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Network errors when attempting z39.50 imports Thank you. I am able to do a basic search now and need to do a test record import into our new system. I am not seeing the command to do this in the text file. What would the syntax be to import the following record from my search at library.usc.edu? 650 0 $a Holocaust, Jewish (1933-1945) $z Germany. On 6/11/2010 2:05 PM, Duimovich, George wrote: Hello Raymond, Please see attached .txt file for sample session in Yaz. Once you have the Yaz client installed, you work off of command line interface. In windows, Yaz opens up a command prompt like window with a Z prompt. It's a very useful tool to troubleshoot what you're getting from a Z39.50 server -- in our case, it came in very useful recently to determine that the output format from one of our Z39.50 targets was sending us some bad data (in turn helping us determine what needed to be fixed was not in Evergreen but in an external system, etc.) Good luck! George George Duimovich NRCan Library / Bibliothèque de RNCan -Original Message- From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Norton Sent: June 11, 2010 14:47 To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Network errors when attempting z39.50 imports I cleared the logs, and only get this one error when attempting to import a record from LOC: grep ERR /openils/var/log/*.log /openils/var/log/osrfsys.log:open-ils.cstore 2010-06-11 13:41:41 [ERR :3228:oils_cstore.c:5045:127628152433102] open-ils.cstore ERROR No datatype attribute for field tcn_value No other errors pop up until the import is attempted. I have zero experience with the yaz-client. Would you have know what the command would be to import a a test record via yaz? On 6/11/2010 10:53 AM, Jason Etheridge wrote: On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Raymond Nortonad...@lctn.org wrote: As a test, I logged into an evergreen demo system and imported a record from LOC. Minutes later, I attempted to import the same record into my system, but no go. I'd still be tempted to use yaz-client from your server to see if there a connection problem (firewall, etc.) between your server and their Z39.50 server
Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Network errors when attempting z39.50 imports
Thank you, Anoop. Right now we are using Cat Express from OCLC to import. I think we will continue to do so. Thanks again Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Anoop Atre [anoop.a...@mnsu.edu] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:00 PM To: open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Network errors whenattempting z39.50 imports Georgette Just a note that if you are using OCLC Cataloging Connexion Express I don't think you can import through the client otherwise you should be fine.[ http://www.oclc.org/connexion/interface/chart/ ] Cheers Georgette Rogers wrote: Thank you Branond, Appreciate it very much Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: Brandon W. Uhlman [bran...@branflakes.net] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:55 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group; Georgette Rogers Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: Network errors when attempting z39.50 imports Hi, Georgette. The short answer to your question is yes. If I recall correctly, OCLC is one of the default Z39.50 targets that ships with an out-of-the-box installation of Evergreen. We don't use it here in British Columbia, but I'm pretty sure it's where Georgia PINES gets their records.
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Costs
Could anyone tell me the cost for implementation, self hosting, maitence and training for the Evergreen system. We are a 9,000 square foot library, we have 28,000 items and about 5,000 patrons. Thank you Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507
[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Holds fulfillment enhancement
Thank you to all who answered. I will start a new thread. Georgette Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Lori Bowen Ayre [lori.a...@galecia.com] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:34 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** RE: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Holds fulfillment enhancement Georgette, yes! But start a new thread please. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Georgette Rogers grog...@libertylakewa.govmailto:grog...@libertylakewa.gov wrote: Are there any issues with holds fullfiments for single branches. We are looking at Evergreen and need a lot of information and have several questions that I sent in and haven't been answered, can I put them here on the list serve? Thank you Georgette Rogers Circulation Supervisor Liberty Lake Municipal Library 23123 E Mission Ave Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-435-0778 1-866-729-8507 From: open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org [open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.orgmailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Mike Rylander [mrylan...@gmail.commailto:mrylan...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:17 PM To: Evergreen Discussion Group Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Holds fulfillment enhancement On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Mike Rylander mrylan...@gmail.commailto:mrylan...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:41 PM, James Fournie jfour...@sitka.bclibraries.camailto:jfour...@sitka.bclibraries.ca wrote: Hi everyone, There was some discussion about problems with holds fulfillment at the holds roundtable at EG2010. I am pleased to share this patch with the community which has been thoroughly tested by the folks at Thompson-Nicola Regional District Library. (thanks guys!) Because it's nicely protected behind an OU setting and obviously applicable to several in-use scenarios, I'll commit it as soon as I've crafted a forward-port version for rel_1_6 and trunk. Crafting complete, patches applied. Thanks again, James! -- Mike Rylander | VP, Research and Design | Equinox Software, Inc. / The Evergreen Experts | phone: 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457) | email: mi...@esilibrary.commailto:mi...@esilibrary.com | web: http://www.esilibrary.com
