Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-09 Thread chas williams - CONTRACTOR
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 20:13:22 + Coy Hile coy.h...@coyhile.com wrote: Along the same lines, is anybody using any of the Illumos distributions? I briefly ran an AFS fileserver on an Illumos x86 distribution (specifically OpenIndiana) inside a VM. Unsurprisingly it worked.

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-06 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Samstag 05 Oktober 2013, 18:16:54 schrieb Ken Dreyer: The reason I have advocated against ZFS-on-Linux at work for our fileservers is that out-of-tree modules on Linux are such a hassle. Hmm, not on Debian derivatives, thanks to DKMS. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-06 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: RE: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers? Date: Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 08:13:22PM + Quoting Coy Hile (coy.h...@coyhile.com): Along the same lines, is anybody using any of the Illumos distributions?   Personally, I'm working on rolling my own SmartOS build that has the AFS

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-06 Thread Ken Dreyer
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@altum.de wrote: Am Samstag 05 Oktober 2013, 18:16:54 schrieb Ken Dreyer: The reason I have advocated against ZFS-on-Linux at work for our fileservers is that out-of-tree modules on Linux are such a hassle. Hmm, not on Debian

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Ken Dreyer ktdre...@ktdreyer.com writes: For example, DKMS would require me to install the compiler and various development libraries on every single AFS (or ZFS) system. You can use DKMS to create installable packages and just install those packages on the other systems. The third reason I

RE: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-05 Thread Coy Hile
Blaine Cc: OpenAFS Subject: Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers? Subject: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers? Date: Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 10:31:47AM -0400 Quoting Jeff Blaine (jbla...@kickflop.net): [ For those running ext3/ext4, a question further down for you

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-05 Thread Jason Edgecombe
On 10/05/2013 04:13 PM, Coy Hile wrote: Along the same lines, is anybody using any of the Illumos distributions? Personally, I'm working on rolling my own SmartOS build that has the AFS kernel module installed so that VMs could be AFS fileservers or clients. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but the

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-05 Thread Ken Dreyer
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Jeff Blaine jbla...@kickflop.net wrote: * Are you using ZFS-on-Linux in production for file servers? * If not, and you looked into it, what stopped you? The reason I have advocated against ZFS-on-Linux at work for our fileservers is that out-of-tree modules on

[OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread Jeff Blaine
[ For those running ext3/ext4, a question further down for you as ] [ well! ] We're still a 100% Solaris + ZFS file server shop. We're EOLing our Sun SPARC hardware (with tears in our eyes) this year. Before we spend a significant amount

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread Dan Van Der Ster
On Oct 4, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Jeff Blaine jbla...@kickflop.net wrote: * If not, and you looked into it, what stopped you? We stopped because of the memory fragmentation issue. ZFS will use ~twice the arc limit you set, and (in my experience) if you don't set the it wisely (e.g. 20-25% total

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Freitag 04 Oktober 2013, 10:31:47 schrieb Jeff Blaine: We're still a 100% Solaris + ZFS file server shop. We're EOLing our Sun SPARC hardware (with tears in our eyes) this year. Before we spend a significant amount of time evaluating this, I figured I'd ask first. Any brief response

RE: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread milek
-Original Message- From: openafs-info-ad...@openafs.org [mailto:openafs-info- ad...@openafs.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Blaine Sent: 04 October 2013 15:32 To: OpenAFS Subject: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers? [ For those running ext3/ext4, a question further down

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Freitag 04 Oktober 2013, 16:51:28 schrieb mi...@task.gda.pl: See my presentation about it last year. Link? Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@altum.de Tel: +49 (0)2471 209385 | Mobil: +49 (0)176 34473913 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Jabber: dirk.heinri...@altum.de

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread Stephan Wiesand
On Oct 4, 2013, at 18:08 , Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Freitag 04 Oktober 2013, 16:51:28 schrieb mi...@task.gda.pl: See my presentation about it last year. Link? http://conferences.inf.ed.ac.uk/eakc2012/ -- Stephan Wiesand DESY -DV- Platanenenallee 6 15738 Zeuthen, Germany

RE: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread milek
-Original Message- From: openafs-info-ad...@openafs.org [mailto:openafs-info- ad...@openafs.org] On Behalf Of Dirk Heinrichs Sent: 04 October 2013 17:08 To: openafs-info@openafs.org Subject: Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers? Am Freitag 04 Oktober 2013, 16:51

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Freitag 04 Oktober 2013, 17:18:24 schrieb mi...@task.gda.pl: http://conferences.inf.ed.ac.uk/eakc2012/slides/AFS_on_Solaris_ZFS.pdf Thanks a lot. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@altum.de Tel: +49 (0)2471 209385 | Mobil: +49 (0)176 34473913 GPG Public Key C2E467BB |

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread James E. Dobson
FWIW: I'm using SmartOS (USB device boot) to boot a smart machine (aka a zone) with OpenAFS. Giving up any large amount of space for boot devices on my fileservers seems rather stupid. This has been in production for several months now. Using Debian + zfsonlinux with some success for other

Re: [OpenAFS] ZFS-on-Linux on production fileservers?

2013-10-04 Thread Harald Barth
* Are you using ZFS-on-Linux in production for file servers? Yes. * If not, and you looked into it, what stopped you? Long there was fear and doubt, but the (not) quality of HW-Raid solutions and hassle of Linux SW-Raid convinced us that it could not be worse with ZFS. * If you are, how is