Re: [OpenAFS] Recent Fedora kmod issues

2014-05-07 Thread Jon Stanley
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Stephan Wiesand stephan.wies...@desy.de wrote: But it only matters when the kmod and filesystem packages are not installed before the dependency calculation is performed. Which is probably why this went unnoticed for a few years. Is rpm-ostree the context

Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS and windows/unix versioning

2014-05-07 Thread Harald Barth
In sync would have been nice, but as in sync has been problematic in the past and I don't expect that to change, I suggest to go with the last suggestion. I would call it marketing numbers and these should have another range so that they have clearly differing version numberings (like the 5.x

Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS and windows/unix versioning

2014-05-07 Thread Jan Iven
On 05/07/2014 10:20 AM, Harald Barth wrote: In sync would have been nice, but as in sync has been problematic in the past and I don't expect that to change, I suggest to go with the last suggestion. I would call it marketing numbers and these should have another range so that they have clearly

Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS and windows/unix versioning

2014-05-07 Thread Harald Barth
But overall not a major issue for us. Unfortunately, we have to _guess_ a lot about this, because many of the issues are probably not issues for the folks here on openafs-info. Harald. ___ OpenAFS-info mailing list OpenAFS-info@openafs.org

Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS and windows/unix versioning

2014-05-07 Thread chas williams - CONTRACTOR
On Tue, 6 May 2014 17:04:25 -0500 Andrew Deason adea...@sinenomine.net wrote: The reason we don't do this now, and the argument for why we should continue to not do this, is that Windows releases tend to happen much more frequently than Unix releases (look at 1.6.x vs 1.7.x, though it

Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS and windows/unix versioning

2014-05-07 Thread Dave B.
One of our main thoughts is that the version numbers should be indicative of client/server compatibility. Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On May 6, 2014 6:05:03 PM Andrew Deason adea...@sinenomine.net wrote: Summary: What version numbers would you like for Windows

Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS and windows/unix versioning

2014-05-07 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Wed, 7 May 2014, Dave B. wrote: One of our main thoughts is that the version numbers should be indicative of client/server compatibility. clients and servers communicate via the AFS-3 network protocol; new features (RPCs) are added to that protocol in a backwards-compatible manner. The

Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS and windows/unix versioning

2014-05-07 Thread Jeffrey Altman
On 5/7/2014 10:44 AM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: On Wed, 7 May 2014, Dave B. wrote: One of our main thoughts is that the version numbers should be indicative of client/server compatibility. clients and servers communicate via the AFS-3 network protocol; new features (RPCs) are added to that

Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS and windows/unix versioning

2014-05-07 Thread Dave Botsch
That might be true, however, things like single DES going away (sort of) as I understand it can break things with older clients. On Wed, May 07, 2014 at 10:44:21AM -0400, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: On Wed, 7 May 2014, Dave B. wrote: One of our main thoughts is that the version numbers should be

Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS and windows/unix versioning

2014-05-07 Thread Markus Koeberl
On Wednesday 07 May 2014 10:20:59 Harald Barth wrote: In sync would have been nice, but as in sync has been problematic in the past and I don't expect that to change, I suggest to go with the last suggestion. I would call it marketing numbers and these should have another range so that they

[OpenAFS] Re: OpenAFS and windows/unix versioning

2014-05-07 Thread Andrew Deason
On Wed, 7 May 2014 11:04:23 -0400 Dave Botsch bot...@cnf.cornell.edu wrote: That might be true, however, things like single DES going away (sort of) as I understand it can break things with older clients. Yes, but that would be a matter of configuration in the cell. For at least the forseeable

Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS and windows/unix versioning

2014-05-07 Thread Jeffrey Altman
On 5/7/2014 11:04 AM, Dave Botsch wrote: That might be true, however, things like single DES going away (sort of) as I understand it can break things with older clients. DES being turned off in a site's Kerberos realm is not an OpenAFS issue. That is an organizational policy. The DES

[OpenAFS] Re: OpenAFS and windows/unix versioning

2014-05-07 Thread Andrew Deason
On Tue, 6 May 2014 17:04:25 -0500 Andrew Deason adea...@sinenomine.net wrote: Summary: What version numbers would you like for Windows and Unix releases in the future? Some options are described below. After the release-team meeting today, there was some discussion on this in the openafs

Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS and windows/unix versioning

2014-05-07 Thread Garance A Drosehn
On May 6, 2014 6:05:03 PM Andrew Deason adea...@sinenomine.net wrote: Summary: What version numbers would you like for Windows and Unix releases in the future? Some options are described below. On 7 May 2014, at 10:13, Dave B. wrote: One of our main thoughts is that the version numbers

Re: [OpenAFS] Re: OpenAFS and windows/unix versioning

2014-05-07 Thread Stephan Wiesand
On May 7, 2014, at 19:03 , Andrew Deason wrote: On Tue, 6 May 2014 17:04:25 -0500 Andrew Deason adea...@sinenomine.net wrote: Summary: What version numbers would you like for Windows and Unix releases in the future? Some options are described below. After the release-team meeting today,

Re: [OpenAFS] OpenAFS and windows/unix versioning

2014-05-07 Thread Stephan Wiesand
On May 7, 2014, at 19:07 , Garance A Drosehn wrote: On May 6, 2014 6:05:03 PM Andrew Deason adea...@sinenomine.net wrote: Summary: What version numbers would you like for Windows and Unix releases in the future? Some options are described below. On 7 May 2014, at 10:13, Dave B. wrote:

Re: [OpenAFS] Recent Fedora kmod issues

2014-05-07 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:41 AM, Jon Stanley jonstan...@gmail.com wrote: Thinking about it though, since RPM goes off of what's in the RPM database and not what's on the filesystem, I wouldn't think that this would be working for *any* Fedora 17+ system, regardless of how it's installed -